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- Rivet Counters, trolls and Keyboard Warriors, their potential effect on fellow railway modellers and CZcamsrs.
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A bit late for this party but I do agree. I have found over the years more and more people "have to have their say" on what I want to do/achieve. They demand me to quantify why I am doing something and then feel the need to then complain more. It's all about them and not what I want. It's my hobby and I want to do it this way but no, the person who has no interest in my hobby seems fit to make the decisions on my behalf and then strops when I don't want to do it their way. Keyboard warriors as so mean just for the sake of being able to be mean. They have to pick holes. Just look at the number of people who dislike a video on youtube. No one is forcing them to watch the video but they feel compelled out of spit to dislike it and then make horrible comments wheras they should get on with their life and not worry about some random person they have never met making a video. Perhaps the Chinese have the right way to moderate the social media by making everyone use their real names and being held accountable for their comments/actions. Simple thing is if you don't like something then just move on in your life and find something you do enjoy, like watching Charlie's Videos :-)
What a smashing comment Dean, we’ll said.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I'm watching al lot of videos for the second time, i want to find out how you came to your current layout (track plan) and the words rivet couters got my attention. I know them also, curves must be at least 2 meter radius and so on. Maybe it's be a good moment for me to start me own chanel. I was building a layout based on a prototypical modular layout , a branchline station with just 2 tracks and platforms from about 2.2 meter, the station module was 3,6m long. I was going to add on each side an entry block of 2,7m. I had an other terminal station (5.4m 1 platform for pasengers) half buid and waiting to be completed for 11 years. My wife asked me with my degrading back, arthrosis how I would manage it to get it every summer in our garage in the garden (i'm going to my 60's and my father (94y) in law his back is in better then mine). So I'm going to tear it all down and see what I still can use of it. The most painful part is I have to dismantel a large part of my 4m long steamloco depot I keep the roundhous with 18 doors and the turntable. Now i'm going to build a fixed layout on the small attic based on a layout published in MIBA, a German magazine. Far from prototypical but the most important part of our hobby is to have fun, the way we like it, and not a project to someone else vision/expectation. I love you chanel because it's so recognisable. You show also your mistakes, your toughts, when you make mistakes an tells afterwards what you solution is, that is very strong! From mistakes we make we learn the most I'm very grateful I'll can watch your chanel and learn from it. I'm working with Märklin (I got my train when I was 3 years old, and both my own steamloco when I was 7, did I know a real train had no pickups on the sleepers ;-) ) My feedbacks and the control of switched and signals will be controled over loconet (locohdl.synology.me/ Hans, thé owner of this site/shop is a friend and he build a highly flexible system thé he now shares with thé world) and my old Uhlenbrock Intellibox. Not perfect but I'm happy and sometimes I try stuff as upgrading a BR50 as a challenge just as I saw on sebs1/87 and other fine youtube channel. I just want to say leave the rivets where they are. I'ts a pitty for.thrm that they can't see the beauty in your story, it is such a source of inspiration.
Kind greetings, Frank
A guy that owned a hobby shop told me something that has always stuck in my head. "If a rivet counter starts telling you what you can and can't run on your layout, just reply to him 'If it truely worries you what i run on my layout, then how about you buy me what i should be running'". And to this day ive used that response twice.
Good advice too.
I must remember that one lol
I'll have a go at reusing it ;-)
That’s exactly what I use to tell people if they lecture me on what’s wrong about my Beetle. Don‘t like the wheels or the colour? Parts x, y, z are not period correct? Headlamps are aftermarket, not genuine VW? Just write a cheque, and I will gladly change it just for You. Sometimes, I even offer a little brass badge with the donor‘s name on it on the lid of the glovebox. No donations offered till this day, though 😁.
I agree 100% ,at a recent exhibition,I noticed a very large glass jar full of metal rivets placed in front of a layout,with the a label on it which said,”For The Rivet Counters”....brilliant!!!!!!
Fantastic idea
What a great idea Warren
If a person guesses the amount of rivets correctly does that mean they are the chief rivet counter?
Back in the 70s there were two societies devoted to modelling to exacting standards that were so much at odds over those standards that one of them had a sign on their exhibition stand declaring they would not sell their products to members of the other one.
How stupid is that.
Stevie Hind hahaha yes
"For heavens sake get a life" 😂😂 I love you that was awesome, subscribed right then and there. The only thing that matters about this is FUN and nothing else. If someone came around to my layout and tore it apart for being inaccurate I would probably struggle to have any fun with it again, so thank you for saying what you said.
Wow Tanner, it’s comments such as yours that make it worthwhile.
Tony Wright does come across as elitist and pompous!
Here here!!
Gowerton Parkway it's not just me then. I avoid anything that involves that guy.
Tony Wright's RM article is far from the worst. At least he's learned and his argument is correct (even if not wanted).
I am an aircraft engineer by trade, I love aviation and have done since my earliest memory. My Son was born and I looked forward to sharing my love of all things flying with him. To my horror he quickly showed a total disinterest in aircraft but a deep connection with railways. I threw myself into learning all I could about railways so I could indulge his passion and in due course developed a passion of my own. Inevitably a model railway was required. I worked for a time many years ago for the Canadian Government as a model maker and set aside a spare 18 foot by 6 foot space for a detailed set in 00. Engine and stock procurement is up to my five year old, I just try to make things work. The first thing to go was exact scale because we needed Heavy Challengers running along side GWR 57XX and BR55's helping Class 40's. The next problem was dinosaurs on the line leading to some nasty collisions and derailments. The important thing is, he is five years old and would rather spend his money on a second hand model made in 1978 of a 1930's German engine he likes than some cheap plastic fad made in china that will be gone and forgotten in a few weeks. I get looks of total disgust for mixing OO and HO but this is off-set by seeing my Son, on entering Barrow Hill Roundhouse, run up to a Claude Hamilton and try to hug a fifty ton locomotive. I am now a rail-fan, I have been well trained.
What a great comment.
I’m pleased that you enjoyed my rant.
Now, back to some modelling.
Similar here. After several years I finally managed to lay track for my OO British outline, based loosely on Burton on Trent where my parents came from, steam and green diesels era mainly. Then I had spent some time living in Munich and loved going down to the massive terminus station and seeing all the diesels and electrics from all parts of Europe. Fatal. I extended the layout to add another massive oval and so it now runs OO and HO, and just for good measure some 009 (HO on N gauge track) as we went down to Austria one weekend and I saw all their narrow gauge locos and carriages. As we used to say in Australia, Run What Ya Brung - ie anything goes 🙂 Oh and the British side is mostly analogue and the Continenatal DCC !
What a great video Charlie. Could not agree more with everything you said in this video. Sadly the world has negative people and some go about expressing feedback in a negative way but not intentional. It’s how we deal with them situations that matters and we should never loose site of why we hobby. We hobby for ourselves. I love your channel, never change and be yourself. All the best, Clint
Thanks Clint, it’s great to have you onboard.
Fine words Clint , by the way when is the next post delivery !!!@@ChadwickModelRailway
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Well said, I agree 100%. My layout is a totally fictional heritage line. Using a mix of both old & new locos & stock, steam diesel & emu. It reflects what i enjoy in the real world. Being involved in both railway restoration & bus preservation it is reflected on my layout with a varied mix of locos & a preserved bus rally. Not to everyone's idea of "a perfect' Layout but it's what I enjoy. It's no one's else's business to tell me or anyone else what they should be doing
I’m pleased that you enjoyed my rant.
Now, back to some modelling.
In the days that I worked for a living, we would often get in 'the rear cab' of a unit and wind the destination blind around just to see what destinations were on them. You may well have seen units leaving Fenchurch Street with 'Thorpe le Soken' shown as the destination. Equally, when my dad was 'in the mob', one of his squadron's aircraft came out of the paint shop with the code letter 'N' painted the wrong way round. Features like that can drive a rivet counter mad, especially if you have the photo to prove that you are right!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant! Stay tuned it’s back to modelling next time.
Reminds me of a person who once told me that a particular class of loco NEVER hauled a class of wagon because they were all withdrawn before the locos came into service. I told him that they did in fact haul those wagons. He replied with "Never happened". So I proceeded to show him several photos I'd taken where multiple members of the class had hauled those wagons through the 1980s and early 90s. Needless to say, he would not admit he was wrong, even with the proof.
For those in Australia, it was V/Line G class hauling GY wagons. ;-)
@@emdB67 I was tasked for a weekend with overseeing 'rail replacement buses' whilst some pretty deep engineering was going on, two 'beds' were being re-dug with some big excavators. These were brought to site by two trains, both hauled by the latest type of diesel. The trains themselves were a collection that should have been in museums, all WW2 'welltanks' with their original makers plates on. Never did find out how the buses got on.
That sounds like real fun!
I worked for a client one of whose favourite sayings was: "never let perfect get in the way of good". It is a great maxim for most of life
Hugh, that is brilliant. Regards Charlie
Well said Charlie - its our hobby and we'll do want we like - if it pleases someone else then good if it doesn't then look somewhere else
So true mate.
Charlie , how true your words are. With you all the way.
Regards Robert
Thanks Robert, it’s great to have you onboard.
An excellent video Charlie. As regards the Railway Modeller article, my response to such "pseudo-perfectionists" is, on viewing their layout, "Why aren't the people moving, I can't see any birds flying around, why are the trees not bare as it's winter now, why doesn't it ever rain, why can't I smell the diesel fumes (coal smoke)" etc. We can't achieve complete realism, so it's up to us to decide where we draw the line (often governed by our pecuniary state).
Alan, that's a very neat way to sum it all up! "."We can't achieve complete realism, so it's up to us to decide where we draw the line". What a great expression to bear in mind for this hobby. Thank you for posting this gem.
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed my little rant.
I fully agree; although I have to admit: I had to look up 'pecuniary' before I could tell if I agreed or not. :) LOL!!!!
9:26 "It's just a nice big fat trainset" . I LOVE that comment!
At the end of the day we're all just big kids, playing with toy trains and having fun... and it doesn't need to be anymore than that.
I'm just grateful that there are channels like Chadwick that allow me to share in their fun too.
Keep up the good work.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant
Charlie, you have echoed my sentiments exactly on the issue. Even accomplished modellers at my local club have said that Tony Wrights comments are ridiculous. I personally do scratch build as I'm modelling a particular railway but I find it ludicrous for people to criticise other for enjoy the hobby differently.
Thanks AJP, we are like minded folk.
What made me get back into the railway hobby after a long break of making plastic model kits was finding a stash of locos me and my grandfather put away when i was around 7 or 8 (im now 15) we cleared out a cupboard and found them and it revitalised my passion of trains and have been recently been watching over your videos and has provided me many hours of interest and learning through lockdown (btw i found some class 43’s in rail-freight livery and a few steam trains which is odd) redoing my layout as of now in a U shape in the spare bedroom at my grandfathers house, thank you for the videos,
Regards Elliott
Hi Elliot, I'm so pleased that you found the videos useful.
Regards Charlie
Well said Charlie, i've only been modelling for a year or so and wouldnt have got anywhere without the likes of Kato pocket line steam train sets etc, people like yourself are very encouraging .
Thanks J9373, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie.
Brilliant video Charlie. I'm glad my son found you he is 3yrs old a big fan of trains and loves watching your videos. I have always had an interest model railway but look at other models thinking I could never do that but you really change the perspective and making it all about having fun. I can't wait to get stuck in and build something for/with my son that I know he will enjoy.
Good for you Ross.
8:30 - spot on comment!
In general - if you don't have something nice to say, then shut up.
And that is for the keyboard warriors - not for this video.
Thanks KF, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
I always work on the principle that if I wouldnt say it to their face then I wont type it in a comment.
Understand the sentiment, but being an American, free speech is of paramount importance as it drives free thought which in turn drives innovation. No country without free speech innovates. Let them speak. You might not like it, but that's the peril of becoming a public figure and anyone posting videos of themselves on a public forum is a public figure.
as they say in the muppets, at the end of this video : czcams.com/video/B7UmUX68KtE/video.html
"You know, they say if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" ;-)
Excellent indeed. Two things Charlie: ‘Done’ is better than perfect, and
‘It’s always easier to kick over someone else’s sandcastle than build your own.’
Keep on trucking my friend - we’re just grown men and women playing trains 😁
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant
I’ve only just seen this video but I agree wholeheartedly with you. I’ve always gone by the rule that if you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all. I love your videos and your layout, I’ve only just started building mine over the last year during the lockdown and your videos have been an inspiration.
I’m so pleased that you find the channel useful Stephen. Regards Charlie
Bravo! I started HO modeling in my youth in Cheyenne, Wyoming, wanting to emulate the wide open prairies and giant locomotives of the Union Pacific, which passed just three hundred yards from my house. That was back when a good Pacific Fast Mail locomotive might cost close to $100, and freight cars of adequate quality might have been $2 or so. I failed, mostly due to lack of space, and cost. I stepped away from model railroads through my mid years - kids, jobs, etc. but no nearing 80, I wanted back in. I happened to stumble on your videos introducing me to OO scale, and knew this was where I want to be. I also realized that being in California, there is little chance to go out and observe any UK countryside or UK trains, but I decided that I will do a non-prototype railway, loosely based on LNER, but with my impressions of the UK. I know I will enjoy this. One big advantage to this is that rivet counters of UK details are going to be few and far between.
Carry on - your videos are educational, informative, and very interesting. This is one of the best regarding what the hobby is - and should be.
Thanks Jack, for such a heartwarming comment. Good luck with your project, I do hope that it gives you much satisfaction in our wonderful hobby. Regards, Charlie
Big thumbs up for the video. We all need to take a step back and recognise that we all work to our own standards and as long as we are happy that's ok
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Mark
Absolutely spot on Charlie. I've enjoyed your channel for around two years now, you just seem to be a sensible and spot on guy. I'm a bit backed up on my copies of Railway Modeller so only just read the article you mentioned and thought exactly the same - it's good to know that there are sensible people out there in the hobby and not everyone cares about prototypes and rivets. We all have our preferences but at the end of the day it's up to each modeller what THEY do with THEIR railway. Keep up the great work.
It’s comments such as yours that make it worthwhile Tom.
I’ve had people comment on what I’ve built telling me it wasn’t accurate and I was wrong to do so. It did bother me for some time so It is refreshing to see people encouraging people to do what you want. It’s a hobby and having fun is what I try to do. I applaud this video.
What a heart warming comment Steven. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Well said Charlie, who really gives a flying scotsman with what or how you build or run your rolling stock. It's a great creative process for all modellers to enjoy the hobby. We all want to get the most out of our layouts. Whether it's a circle of track on the kitchen floor, or a full proto layout to run our rolling stock. Enjoy your time, have fun and the way you want it to be. Not the way anyone else thinks you should. After all it is your choice to have your fun with the hobby and what makes you happy.
I’m pleased that you enjoyed my rant.
“a flying Scotsman”, what a great turn of phrase.
Now, back to some modelling.
Well said Charlie, I retired in April and my wife suggested I need a hobby, I knew nothing about railway modelling as my last train set was a Triang 1962 Christmas present . Thanks to You Tube videos from you , Everard Junction , New Junction , Dean Park , Mouldy Raspberry ,Kathy Mallet ,Tony North Eastern and all the other great modellers which I now follow , I have boarded the loft ,laid track and over the weekend got an electric point motor to switch a turnout on the other side of the loft ,for me who had never soldered before a great achievement , the point is now overlooked by my fist attempt at a Metcalf model signal box ,badly made up with opaque windows created by an over zealous use of glue , but I am learning and more to the point thoroughly enjoying myself . Keep the video coming and thank you
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant David
David, you've got it in one - power to you!
David, that is just fantastic to read. And I must admit, your story sounds familiar to me 😉. It's a versatile hobby, so many things to learn, so much to enjoy. Good luck with your layout!!
Looks like you’re doing exactly what railway modelling is for, ie. enjoying it. Happy modelling!
I was forced to retire 20 years ago by the diagnosis of Parkinson's disease. This has now severely depleted and continues to limit my abilities to follow my interest in model railways. That said, I am hugely motivated by your excellent videos which show both a real skill in communicating and also your love for the model train. One thing my illness cannot limit is my imagination - which is probably why my attic has a far too big, fault ridden, historically inaccurate, detail poor, unfinished layout with very mixed stock. But, my grandsons love it and the look of happiness on their faces make everything worthwhile. Everything. Be encouraged - you are doing a great job - clearly by the number and content of the replies many others feel exactly the same way. As for your critics, I ask them "will it matter in a hundred years?" Probably not.
A heart warming comment Brian.
I’m pleased that you enjoyed my rant.
Now, back to some modelling.
Good post Brian. As a matter of fact just yesterday I had a group of young children looking at my "fault ridden, historically inaccurate, detail poor, unfinished layout with very mixed stock." They all LOVED it. Especially when I let each of them have a little go at moving a train once around the circuit bringing it to a nice smooth stop at the station.
@@AlecLudlow1 Dear Alec, your letter (Ha! how quaint that reads) has reminded me of a Christmas present \\i received nearly 55 years ago. It was a gift form the couple next door. The present was a simple electric car - powered by a U2 battery mounted in a box, On top of the box was a slider switch - this permitted reversing. For its time it seemed innovative. On the label, Uncle Duff had written: "Let the lad have a go!" I cannot tell you how much gained from seeing that written down'
l can easily imagine you. having the same encouragement based approach. Well, done and all the best. Brian Chapman
Hope your still able to model and enjoy what sounds like a lovely fun layout
Thank you for speaking out, it is much appreciated. All too often unguarded words will have a lasting negative impact and destroys any confidence one may have built up in build a model railway. I and my grandson are building in N gauge, we’re not great but we are both enjoying the railway and enjoying each others company.
I'm grateful for all of you are doing for our hobby.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my little rant Roger. Good luck with your project, regards, Charlie
Very true, there are a lot of people that are very brave hiding behind a keyboard who I wonder where are their manners gone? If you have nothing nice to say about what someone is trying to do, then they need to keep it to themselves. People like you and Kathy take the time to go out make video which takes a lot of effort where you are showing everyone else skills that you have developed over a period of time from building layouts, I for one appreciate the time that you take to make your videos, along with everyone else who makes videos for the hobby and I do learn something from watching them. I do thank you for all your efforts and please keep making videos!!!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant! Next time it will be back to railway modelling, something we all love.
Well said. This hobby needs new blood, with competition from all the other modern distractions we don't need people feeling alienated and turned away.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant! Stay tuned it’s back to modelling next time.
I agree with your comment, Charlie. A good article and fully supported by me
Thanks Nige.
Well said and thank you for taking the time to make this video. Being kind and considerate should not stop when we are surfing the internet 😃
You make an excellent point Steven.
If only there were more like-minded people. Regards, Charlie
Nailed it Charlie. It's all about having fun and doing whatever takes your fancy. Yes, I model Australian prototype and spend hours scratch building structures. But when my grandsons come to visit, it's all about how long we can make a train, and how many locos are needed to pull. They simply remind me that sometimes it's all about stepping back, having fun and remembering what it was that enticed you to follow the hobby. Richard from down under.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant! Next time it will be back to railway modelling, something we all love.
Very well said, some people should spend less time making unhelpful comments and more time modelling. It’s a shame but unfortunately we live in a time where everyone thinks their opinion is the one and only valid point. Keep up the brilliant videos, I look forward to each and every one.
Thanks Chris, it’s great to have you onboard.
Nothing wrong with having an opinion - if it is relevant and you can back up your thoughts with concrete evidence. Most of these smart guys have never actually built anything in their lives!
Cleo, I agree completely.
and this is why i always enjoy your videos ..... keeping it real , thanks
Thanks Craig, you’ll make me blush.
Hit the nail on the head with this video. I hope it helps those who are upset by rivet counters and keyboard warriors in this and whichever hobby they have that it`s for their pleasure and enjoyment. I personally like Chadwick Junction, Sam`s Trains and a host of other channels dedicated to Model Railways. I personally take from these videos tips and advice which helps me. Your channel as with others pass on your experiences and your opinions. Thank you and thanks to all those who take the time to make these videos which help not only novices like myself, but also probably some more experienced modelers. Cheers. 👍
I’m pleased that you enjoyed my rant.
Now, back to some modelling.
As a OO modeller I am quite content with 4mm rolling stock on 3.5mm track. Any other inaccuracy pales into insignificance. I enjoy the hobby and I respect anyone else who shares theirs. Thank you for sharing yours.
I’m pleased that you enjoyed my rant.
Now, back to some modelling.
Charlie well said, thankyou for making this video. unfortunatly the rivet counters & keyboard warriors are in every hobby these days. Its all part of the cyber life we live in these days.
Thanks Paul, it’s great to have you onboard.
Charlie, you are 100% correct. Although my layout is not built yet, (garage 80% complete and baseboards will be ordered next week), I will run anything and everything! Not worried about era's. Could have a 1940's steamer followed by a Class 90. Rivet counters do not bother me. My grandkids and wife cannot count rivets! As Graham from Lakeside says 'it's your layout, so run what you like'. Totally agree. Sod the whingers.
Keep up the good work. Cheers. Pete
That’s so reassuring Pete. It’s great to have you onboard.
pgcroc ...... seconded sir ..... fun fun and as you say run and build what you want ........ regards Fred.......
I was going to model late 1930s LNER until the wife told me that she wanted to be involved... we like different trains. So, heritage line it is then.
Hope you are going to share your journey in the garage Pete...... I for one will subscribe....:)
Good on you Charlie. Each to their own, some don't have the time, skill or need to get things 100% accurate all the time, especially while learning, and are perfectly happy and content with their best effort. At the end of the day, it's a hobby for personal enjoyment. I'm glad content creators such as yourself and other great channels aren't letting this get to them, and still wish to share their knowledge and enjoyment through this medium.
Creators such as yourself and the other great channels you've mentioned and linked to in the past are great sources of hard-to-find knowledge and inspiration, continue to rise up over the negativity and enjoy what you are doing!
I’m pleased that you enjoyed my rant.
Now, back to modelling.
Well said Charlie.
What this hobby needs is young blood, not people looking down their noses at anything that doesn’t come up to their expectations.
Kids today are looking for that “wow” factor that makes them want to take up the hobby - it could be movement, sound or just the unusual.
An excellent comment mate. I couldn’t agree more. Regards Charlie
Charlie, Hello from across the pond. Just want to say you do a great job, I appreciate your Videos (well produced), and you're a great asset to the model railroading community. Keep it up!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant! Stay tuned it’s back to modelling next time.
Hi Charlie another great video. The thing with keyboard warriors is yes they complain cut down or are down right nasty but the most important thing to remember is they probably can not do what you have just achieved and never will because they are to buzzy complaining about everything under the sun. I say ignore them and they can't bother you unless you let them. Keep up the great video's I always look forward to watching your's.
Thanks 4E I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
4 englishlies- We say "keyboard warriors" like they are a distinct and solitary group. Social media makes it easy to be a jerk- no real-life consequences, but these people have always been there, in any activity If one listens close at any club, they are there. They may not reach hundreds or thousands, but they say, mutter, smirk, sneer. True freedom is a two-way street, and these people also feel free to vocalize, even if mean.
Hi Charlie, what a great response to all those people who take the hobby to seriously, I come back from work and play with my layout, just to relax, like to think I get somewhere near what I want, but, hey, its a hobby. enjoy!. Glynn
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant! Stay tuned it’s back to modelling next time.
I have just started doing model trains your comments are spot on it is a hobby to fill in the winter months people don’t need that sort of abuse
I’m so pleased that you agree Leslie. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie great video and well done fir standing up and sharing your thoughts. Keep up with the videos and as always looking forward to your next one.
Thanks Giles.
Well said Charlie ! I recently took up the hobby having just retired, and my experiences within the model railway has been generally positive with people being only eager to provide helpful, sound advice, either at shows or online as you indeed do. Just over a year back I was encouraged to have a go at exhibiting and it’s something that I found to be very enjoyable as well as a great learning experience … save for the people who bring their closed minds along.
To be honest, I have only suffered from the odd comment or two, but other exhibitors who have clearly put a lot of time and effort into producing something astonishing have been given a much harder time. What was particularly worrying was that the were a lot of young ears around. We desperately need to encourage fresh blood and yet these prospective model engine drivers of the future were hearing a lot of negativity when they should have just been enjoying the sight and sound of the trains. Disappointing.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed my rant! Stay tuned it’s back to modelling next time.
Well said Charlie! If there were more people like you, the world would be a MUCH better place.
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Hi Charlie, very well said, I couldn't agree more. It is, like you say, a hobby! It's about having fun, it's about creating your world, anyone can build whatever he or she likes, and that only deserves encouragement.
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Well said my friend I totally agree, I'm sure my layout is full of inaccuracies which I have no idea about, but I just like building models and running trains
And that’s what this hobby is all about.😜
Spot on Charlie - my layout is MY layout so I will build it to the best of my abilities and I will run whatever I want on it and in any combination that takes my fancy at the time! Saying that - I am about to dismantle the Pendarves and Penware that is in our loft as we are about to move to a larger house with a garage for the layout. Ground level so no more loft ladders and a larger space - new 3 level track plan already designed based on the current one but modified to fit the new space and with a low level fiddle yard added. Keep up the good work 99.999% appreciate all that you do to encourage us and to promote the hobby (same to be said for Kathy and a few other stalwarts on You Tube). Cheers, Peter
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Well said and fully agree with your comments . The other day I was on my layout with my 6 yr old grandson and I mentioned to him that he was running his train in the wrong direction , he looked up at me and said - it's only a model railway grandad - I think that says its all . Cheers.......Peter
Great point Peter.
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Thanks for a lovely disquisition on the importance of maintaining perspective. Informative and supportive comments are great. Meanies should go for longer walks.
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I agree with Leil Central I too love the channel being a65yr old newbie to DCC layout ,Great videos keep up the great work , all the best Dave
Thanks Dave.
Absolutely! I very much appreciate all the time and effort you and other channels put into your videos. These people would never say these things to you in person just hide behind a screen. I quit a model railway forum after asking one question and getting similar. As we say at my football club no-one likes us we don't care.
Thanks AS, it great to have you alongside.
Well said Charlie, we're in full agreement with both your comments and Kathy's comments. It's about having fun and enjoying the hobby in a way that suits you, not everyone else! We love the videos from both you and Kathy and all the other guys you mentioned, please keep on doing it as you think fit. Love your viaduct, K & K.
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Well said champ, with you all the way from Australia! At our layout Black Mountain Station, my son and I will run, British steam, American Diesel, German electric and Aussie everything we can, we do what we feel like and enjoy the hobby! All the best, Regan, BMS.
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Completely agree with this video! Very wise words!
Thanks DC, much appreciated
Right on Charlie both you & Kathie are so right. I enjoy my “So not correct” N gauge layout, because it is & should be FUN & relaxing. although I am not a youTuber I I do like & have respect for the guys n’ galls out there that put time & effort into producing some great, as well as informative videos. It makes me motivated to improve as well as find out more about the HOBBY of modeling railways. Keep up the good work everyone & ignore the sad little people out there.
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Well said Charlie, I’m currently writing at blog on freelance modeling and the rivet counters bagging us. I’m all for promoting the hobby no matter anyone’s likes or dislikes. We all have something to learn from every other modeler!!
@ModelRailroadTechniques
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I could have happily sat and listen to you ramble on about this topic for a whole hour! xD
Like people always say "IT's my trainset and I'll run whatever the hell I want on it!"
It’s great to have you on board mate. Regards Charlie
Fare comment Charlie, but already 1 rivet counter has left a thumbs down. lol.
I know, he’s usually there in the first 10 minutes.😇
the same people go on just to click the thumbs down I bet they don't even watch the video, why do it I ask myself no one is forcing anyone to watch the video. I wonder if the same person watches a program on the TV hates it but wont change channels and then moans to anyone who will listen to him or her
10 now.
He can't be a rivet counter because he would need to be able to count past 10 :)
Hi Charlie another good video by you. I quite often watch your videos on my 45 minute break in my truck. And yes you can see the notifications on a mobile phone. Keep up the good work.
It’s comments such as yours JK, that make it worthwhile.
This is the first time I've seen this video how the hell can people slag you off so much talent and the hard work you put into these video's the knowledge you impart I've learned so much from your channel God knows what they would say about my layout, to do what you do for everyone to enjoy Charlie you are 100% proper bloke
Thanks Mark, I’m so pleased to have you onboard. Regards Charlie
Charlie, I've had some really personal attacks, mostly by people who have no video content on their "channel". People seem to take great delight in joining youtube simply to slate or attack others. Often these people don't have any content on their account so maybe CZcams should make that a condition of having a channel, and delete all accounts that have no content, after all its a media platform. The simple way to prevent trolls posting such negative or rude comments would be to disable comments, but a lot of contributors don't like doing that. We all have our own personal obsessions, such as your head code requirement, but it's keeping that to ourselves that's important. Having a loco with the correct head code for the train its pulling is a "condition" you have imposed on yourself when running your trains on your layout. If someone is running a RTR loco with the wrong code for the train they are running on their layout then that's their prerogative, its their layout.
I agree with you that the article in RM is negative and does nothing to encourage people taking up railway modelling. I agree there are those societies and groups that strive to make everything true to life and correct running procedures, but everything has its place. I much rather see a layout at an exhibition where there is a lot of activity than a layout where everything is true to life and follows railway practices but nothing happens. People also often forget that most layouts are fictional, so how can something be wrong when in reality it never existed.
Some great points Malcolm and it’s great to have you onboard.
@@Haymarket47 Alan, that's a fair comment, and whilst not having an account doesn't stop you watching peoples content, it does prevent you subscribing to those channels so I see your point
Absolutely!
Great video once again, Charlie. Keep them coming! My own layout is based on a layout I saw in a magazine a few years ago. It's a fictitious branch, set somewhere in Dorset, so mine is even more divorced from reality. What matters with any home-built layout is that the builder likes it - visitors don't have to!
Some years ago, I joined a model railway club. After one exhibition, I had the cheek to suggest that we should do what many firms and organisations do and go through what we had done well, and what we could have done better (Even the RED ARROWS do this after every flight). I was told in no uncertain terms that I was just having a moan and, instead of moaning, I should get stuck in and do something to help. I left there and then. And these outfits claim they are there to encourage newcomers into the hobby . . .
Agreed, in all fairness i'm sure that eventually drivers on the real locos stopped adjusting head code blinds altogether as it was time consuming.
Bravo Charlie! Life’s too short fella!
Thanks Tase.
Unprototypical stock - Check
Unprototypical history - Check
Total lack of timetable - Check
I could go on, but I think it's safe to say I'm probably a rivet counter's worst nightmare at this point! Totally agree with the sentiments raised in the video, the 'Get a life' comment got a small cheer out of me! Advice I've often thought of not just in the model railway world.
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Oh my! SPOT ON! We should support all aspects of our hobby and the enjoyment people get out of it! So good on you Charlie! I find this sort of thing in every path of life I walk on - for me in geology education I get a few people say things like "I can do better"...and the comfort I take is that they never do! Keep up the wonderful work - you are an inspiration for young and new modelers like me. Gaz (PS ...it is also one of the reasons I no longer get modeler magazines...just not inspiring)
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Stay safe, regards Charlie.
Well said Charlie, I could not agree more. I built my layout (Piddle In The Marsh ) just for fun and from my imagination using lots of second hand a new parts. I am shocked at bow well it has turned out considering I.knew.nothing at the start of the build, made mistakes and corrected them. It was from people like you Charlie that I found out how to do things. It's my layout and for my enjoyment, does it matter if it is not historically correct? No. Keep going Charlie
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I agree totally . Respect people’s efforts and their creative enjoyment. I’m just sorting a video with all my Flying Scotsmans all running at once . Not reality but who cares .its just fun and that is what it should be all about . Keep doing these interesting videos for is all to contemplate. Kind regards Richard
Thanks Richard, you’re too kind.
I don't comment often but I just wanted to say well said. I agree that we should be encouraging people into the hobby and not picking on the little things that will discourage and dishearten people. Your videos are always a breath of fresh air. Thank you for all your hard work, tips and encouragement.
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Great video. Agree completely. I'm an average modler with basic skills and I love watching you and the other guys that you mentioned as they all give me great ideas to try out. I love steam only layouts and I also love modern layouts equally but I run both on mine cause it's mine and I can. I don't scratch build as I'd prefer ready built stuff.But I admire the guys who do. At the end of the day like you said it's about encouraging people of all ages to this wonderful hobby and above everything else it's about having FUN.Keep up the great work.
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Hi Charlie another great video as always don't let them get you down.
Thanks Darren, we must rise above them.
It was a fabulous video by Kathy.
So true Richard.
Well said. We have the same things over here in the states. I just tell people there is only one rule on my rail road " It's my rail road and I do as I want." Cheers!
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Bloody well said Charlie !!!! I had just watched Kathy Millett's video only minutes before hand. Unless they are a seasoned purist they're just downright jealous. The comment following by Gav's R C Hobbies is the best response I've ever heard. Well said Gav !!! --
"If a rivet counter starts telling you what you can and can't run on your layout, just reply to him 'If it truly worries you what i run on my layout, then how about you buy me what i should be running'"
An excellent point Richard, and I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. Regards Charlie
Agree with everything you said there charlie. Spot on
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Great video, a lot of people don't know the difference between helpful advice and picking apart another person's hard work.
I agree with you on Tony Wright's article, and his Wright writes thread on RMWeb is the same. I find him a little bit snobbish about people who use RTR rolling stock because of the lack of 'skill' involved, which I always find a little ironic as his layout has a lot of stuff which was built by other people, like the track for example.
It's a shame because he's a very talented modeller and he has a great layout in Little Bytham but his "modelling is not like it was in the olden days" schtick a little tiresome.
Thanks L, it’s great to have you onboard.
Indeed! How many others have contributed to making his layout as impressive as it is? Hypocritical!
One of the best replies to these issues I have ever seen! 🥳
Thanks DT, your support is much appreciated. Regards Charlie
Great work Charlie. Well said. I'm getting back into the hobby after 20 years. What I love the best is when rivet counters get it wrong. I'm in Australia and was told a certain type of container wagon is no longer in service and I'd made a mistake. Despite the fact I'd seen the exact wagon on a real train a few weeks earlier did nothing to convince the rivet counter. As it turns out a rolling stock shortage meant it had been brought out of storage. The rivet counter was convinced it had been scrapped. Hang in there everyone. Have fun and chill out. I love your channel Charlie.
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Hi Charlie, now that was interesting video indeed. Someone had to come out and say it and it might as well be you. I personally nearly gave up the hobby to such comments by keyboard warriors because it was remarks that were uncalled for and achieved nothing except to upset me and to try and ruin my credibility as a modeller and as a person which made me really question the hobby weather to carry on or not. Thankfully I saw past those people and carried on and realised there is far more good in the hobby than there is bad. Susannah
Susannah, Just keep in mind, for every negative comment, there is always 99% positive comments. That's the way I look at it.
Geoff
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Well done, you!
I personally can’t set up a permanent layout but someday I’ll have a big layout. I have no interest in making my layout prototypical
Great, do what pleases you.😜
Hi Charlie, I'm a new starter to your site. I agree on your comments. The person you need to please is yourself. One comment made to me once was "it's a bit boring just watching a train go around in circles". He just doesn't get it. I've had a " model train” and since I was 3 years old, I'm now a young 61. My Grandad bought me my 1st train set a Marklin goods set. Still got it and it still runs. I've grown up with Triang and Hornby. My layout I have I started about 28 years ago and now converting to DCC. I've been so bored for last 28 years.
Snap, we are both 61 and started in our early years. Stay safe Stewart.
Well said Charlie. Some people are not happy unless they are putting people down, they can't enjoy anything. So enjoy what you do, and ignor those who are negative.
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Absolutely agree Charlie, I run steam and have been told it is ridiculous to have crew on the footplate when engines are not working. That person was told by me that it would be even more ridiculous to run the train without crew! I've also been told the shade of green on my locos is slightly too light. I usually treat these poor creatures with the contempt they justly deserve. You were right to rant about RCs and KWs, It needs saying and I salute you for doing so. Stick to your guns!
Thanks Norman, you’re a star.
I'm currently in the planning stage of my first layout and I dont want to make it prototipical.
I want a GBrf class 66 with a nbr j 36 because I like both the locomotives and want them running around.
Whats happened to personal enjoyment?
Precisely J, run what you want.
Its your Layout run what ever you want :)
You do that!
I feel the same, my rolling stock is what I am interested in, and they do not match in era, livery, region or operator.
An NSE 159 at an island platform alongside a SWT 170 Or Foster Yeoman 59 with aggregate wagons behind it.
Your hobby, you do whatever makes you enjoy it the most.
Leave realism to those who enjoy that, and know that anyone worthwhile having an opinion to voice won't judge.
@@underwaterdick If people like the challenge of doing everything prototipical they have every right to do so.
Dont diss on others that a more casual approach
I had an N gauge layout where the autocoach was push/pulled by a Minitrix dock tank.
It didn't look that unrealistic.
Totally agree with your comments Charlie, these people would have a field day on my layout, but they wouldn't bother me in the slightest, haven't got time for them! I do what I enjoy and thats watch my Trains run!
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I too am late to the party on this video. Hello from California. I've subscribed to your channel for about a month now and I fully enjoy your content. Love your comments about keyboard warriors (here in the states we call them trolls.) Keep up the great work!
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed my anti-troll rant JJ.
I guess its part of life and we just have to learn to live with it, but as you say its worst for the youngster. And to be honest i still don't fully understand the mindset of a true KW, what do they gain from it? Thanks for being a gentleman about it.
Thanks Nortrap, it’s great to have you onboard.
If I could model half as good as Kathy I'd be over the moon, and as for the person in the RM, does that mean if I go back to railway modelling from my present bus and coach boards I must find myself an old aircraft hanger just to get a station complex as small as my home town had, even now Swindon station would require a huge room, and I take it then that same person would never use ready made track as the gauge is not to scale. As for the comment about Peco I took that as it was your prefered option and not telling everyone they must buy Peco.
Thanks Steve. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it too.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I look forward to your video's as well as the likes of Kathy, Everard Junction, Dean Park. I my not be doing railway right now but some of the tips I can pick up work just as well on a bus and coach diorama
Well done. I once read an article that said "If you have a 1950's layout but want to run a bullet train, it's your layout so have fun". Cheers mate
I couldn’t agree more David it’s your layout, and you run it To achieve the most pleasure. Regards Charlie
Hello Charly
As a German with restricted English capabilities maybe the only really important word of your video I have understand was "FUN". And this Fun is what I have every single time when I'm watching your vids. So thank you for your words on that, Charlie.
Best regards from Salzburg, Austria
Stephan ~Der~Kuesten~Bah~N~er~
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I didnt know keyboard warriors would invade the model railway commutinity.
Such a shame
We all suffer from these dreadful individuals.
Brilliant video. At the end of the day, there is an electric motor inside the loco! Whats realistic about that, enjoy it and see you again. Tara
Well, this comment is great!
Such a true statement.
We could always shoot these keyboard warriors down, asking them how they fuel their loco? As there are always bigger scales where you can drive and ride the models!
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed my little rant Dick.
Charlie, it's your layout - do what the hell pleases you and ignore the trolls. All you guys have something to offer, which why I watch you, Richard at Everard, Dave at Dean Park, Paul at Galgorm, Stephen at Elvenhome et al. Anyway, well said and I've just subscribed. Mike
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Brilliant!! Well said some people are just so negative, I am not the railroad enthusiast, my husband is, but I do enjoy all the different locomotives, respect all the hard work and effort put into the layouts, just love the videos, yours included, keep them coming.
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Charlie, ive discovered there are people who completely misunderstand language, intent and motives. Here, there and everywhere!
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You seem to get these people in all sorts of hobbies. River counters are particularly prevalent at car shows haha! “Oh that’s not exactly the right shade of blue”. “That car would have come on 15” wheels not 16”” etc.
Most simply have nothing better to do and don’t engage in the hobby themselves
Too true Richard.
Only nag about's what's wrong in their opinion.. my reply is mostly in therms of' I build what i like, and if you don't... show me what you have build with the same budget, time and 'other resources'...
Thanks Charlie. As a beginner at age 47, there’s lots to learn, and sometimes you just want to get something built and running.
Good luck with your project AD.
Regards Charlie
I really liked your response video. You are right about modeling for yourself. It's what your making to enjoy yourself. If somebody your runs it down, just tell them to go make a better one for themselves and not bother you any more.
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