Do Italians Prefer Traditional or Modern Gender Roles?
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- We interviewed Italians on the streets of Florence to get their perspective on gender roles. Who in their opinion should pay on the date? Are Italian women feminist? Are Italian men momma's boys? Are the conservative roles still relevant to modern Italy?
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0:00 Intro
0:40 Who should pay on the first date?
2:44 Are Italian men "mama's boys"?
5:22 What do Italians think about traditional gender roles?
9:30 Are Italian women feminist?
Italian Crew:
Maria Glezelli: / maria.glezelli
Xasan Habibullayev: / khabibullayevx
Translators:
Simone Lordi / simonelordi_
Valeria Biancardi / valeriemacherie99
Filmed in:
Florence, Italy - Zábava
This "fact" that floats around that historically, women couldn't work or go away from home is quite pernicious, whereas, in reality, it was quite the opposite. The trick is that back then, businesses ran out of the house. Mom and Pop shops have been around since commerce began.
My grandma is 84 years and as far as I know she always worked mostly in agriculture and selling the produce in the city fair,she also worked in a cafe I don’t how long,while she works in the farm she would put the kids in a hole in the dirt or locked them at home😂
Maybe it’s an American thing because my country was poor af and everyone needed to work and now we are just poor so most start working at 18 or 22/23 years.
@@santostv. In a hole, in the dirt 😭😭
Fr. Only women in aristocracy weren't working. Working class women HAD to work.
Men took care of their women for their hard work. Women took care of men for their hard work.
I bet the Serbian man can learn some nurturing instinct acts as change diapers or wash some dishes if the wife is tired. So much instinct in those acts!
My wife is Italian, and I pay for everything
I love these new topics!
Thank you for sharing the video with all of us! I never knew that about the gender roles in Italy. I'm glad that some people pay half and half.
In Italy, cases of a real gender pay gap, in the sense of discrimination for equal work or work of equal value, are very rare. It is more accurate to speak of a gender earning gap, meaning that women are more likely to accept unstable or part-time contracts or to work in lower-paying jobs.
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That's true. Pay gap is fake feminazi propaganda.
Where in Italy is the Colombian woman? Thats the kind of place, mentality I like😄. Im here in Italy and like traditional gender roles, men being providers💜
I see this and I just kept on thinking that Portugal is the exact same thing. Love Italy!
Awesome video
I love your videos❤
wow Italy is much more traditional than I thought it would be. thanks for sharing this!
Seems like Balkans are even more traditional than Italians based on the Serbian man's answer.
@@lissandrafreljord7913that guy is really shocking
Italy very bad. They kll LGBTs
Annnnna
I thought it'd be even more traditional.
I think the nurturing instinct is more of a human thing. I know women who don’t have it and feel incredibly ashamed of it.
We make motherhood and raising children this magical thing that women just randomly acquire but it is actually an incredible skill that a lot of hard work goes into.
Men who have been gatekept from learning these skills end up being frustrated when the kid prefers their mom. I know a bunch of families where it’s the other way around though.
the way a man treats his mom the same way he will treat you. so if u date a man who fell out of touch with him mom dont expect a man with emotional intelligence.
That is so far from the truth
that is the biggest bullshit I have ever heard. In Italy, a lot of men are emotionally immature because they are very coddled by their mothers and treated like princes. don't know how a washing machine. stuck in his infant state they will gaslight you for every problem you have with him
Some mothers are manipulative and psychic.
No woman wants to take care of a baby, she's looking for a man to be her partner not a manchild to raise.
I love Italian women.
What a beatiful country with beatiful womens!! It must to be a paradise
Greetings from italy
It's a hell
You are free to go by the way
Great interview (and great interviewer)! Lots of insights. I think the mama boy things is really about if you can be independent and take care of yourself, not just if you live at home with your mom. Especially interacting point about Italy being a matriarchal society. In the private life probably, but at work it seems a terribly backward place.
these small clips of Italian movies wich movies are they????
I used Cinema Paradiso ( a great movie), Malena and a few others I can't remember
La Dolce Vita for sure (Mastroianni)
It's a matter of generation. I think older men will show a more traditional behavior pampering women and fully taking care of bills 100%, they expect to maintain a certain role with the man providing for the financial aspect and the woman providing for what is considered "a woman's task", like taking care of the household and so on.
Younger generations are trying to change this kind of mentality and take equality into serious consideration, everything must be done splitting the duties, the bills, etc. As an Italian woman, I prefer the second kind of situation. We both work and we both earn a salary, so our time and money will be split 50/50, we are able to pay equally and we are able to do what's necessary in the household helping each other in all the daily tasks.
We're not in the 1950s anymore, when the majority of women were not working and they were "forced" to maintain a traditional role of stay at home wife and mother, while the man was the only one working and paying for everything. Luckily we have evolved and the wind of change is also affecting the younger generations, from the millennials onwards...
Why lucky? 50 style family is the coolest one.
Why it's a shame to live and take care of your parents? Is this modernity?
Italy 🇮🇹 is a beautiful country and I hope to go back to visit again
Why wouldn't men be mama's boys? It's your mama! And the same women complaining about it will want their son to be a mama's boy!
These are one of the things women will never admit on camera, but they secretly wish for in their innermost feelings. They want CONTROL! They want men to do what they WANT and their boyfriends mothers get in the way. That's why most of them will regard it as a negative thing. It goes beyond all that "men must be more independent perspective". They want men to take care of them, but they don't want competition. But i also believe they should regard being a mama's boy as a good thing as they should see it as a preview of how they are going to be treated if they marry this kind of man.
But again, they don't want competition. Hence they start complaining.
Mama's boy means a man whose mother takes care of him, as though he's a prince or a simpleton. Mama wants to feel needed by her baby boy forever.
😂😂😂
@@Sisterliskwhat's wrong of being considered a price? Or just females can be considered princesses?
@@Sisterlisk exactly. Mama's boys develop peter pan syndrome and hide from responsibility behind their mother's skirts. They never become real adult responsible men. They remain children.
You should define Feminism first, because there are multiple waves of feminism and even extremist in the movement.
it's incredible how most people just repeat the same things uncritically, propagated like set phrases or univocal truths, all the while thinking they're independent thinkers and spitting these amazing profound ideas.
well, it is because the reality is probably close to what everyone says
@@giuseppeferri3817 No they were just cherry-picking people to say on camera what they wanted to be said. If they went down south, they would get different answers.
@GeoSocratic of course there's a toxic attitude in a small minority of the Italian population. This minority is bigger in some parts of the country and smaller in others. I'm from the North but I am well aware that there's a lot of backward people here too
@@giuseppeferri3817 what everyone says has absolutely no need to be close to reality to be the dominant opinion, a bit of history should make that clear.
It's not incredible, it's how 97%(let's be optimistic) of people are. Sheeps
as an asian guy who currently live in latina america but have dated italians girls before, i can tell you that italians are the best latin girls. why? because latinas expect you to pay for everything and spaniards are always late or cancel on last minutes. italians usually dont have these drawbacks and they are as warm as other latin women.
Italians aren't Latin...
@@chrystianaw8256 Italians are the real latins
Because we are Latin European
@@chrystianaw8256Italy is literally the homeland of the Latin language...
Basically the same in Portugal, a lot of us are mama’s boys, we are a matriarchal society although it’s because women would agree with the patriarchal role meaning the women control most things but men still had the final saying, been women beaten, men been drunk and betrayal was the norm maybe that’s why most of us now are only religious in name because they were and are hypocrites now depends by age and socio economic background but it a lot fairer than before still there’s problems with dv and romantic abuse are still prevalent.
Most men still like to provide otherever women need to contribute and we don’t like if we see we are been taking advantage of so I would say most try doing 50/50 or the one that earns pays more.
Because of religion and been shamed by elders Portuguese women are seen as difficult because no matter what they do, someone will call them wh0re, elders also like to impose their way of life in young because they outnumber us we can’t move our country forward again this is mostly lead by women, women outlive men so I guess they have the last laugh
"been women beaten, men been drunk and betrayal was the norm"
Norm? Maybe in your house
I had no idea this is also a thing in Portugal. Is this also in Spain?
@@mariissa-zf5ty Probably idk, although some say they are more “advanced” than us but I really don’t know.
@@mariissa-zf5tyI think he has some thing agaist elders 😀😀
@@lxportugal9343 could be but maybe it's in the culture.
3:59 - such a good point! I'm so glad to see a man talking about this because I usually only hear this truth come from the mouths of women.
He had the best answers
I do not know about younger generations but whenever I go to the restaurant with a lady ( even friends and colleagues ) it is on me. I do not care how much she earns. She could even be a billionaire. And, of course, I do not ask or expect anything in return. I will never let her pay. I know it sounds patriarchal but I do not give a damn about that.I am the way I am. Having said that, the question is wrongly formulated. The (traditional italian) man should'nt pay. For him is a pleasure to pay,
Don't forget that Serbia is one of the most retrograde/traditional countries in Europe.
That macho Serbian guy definitely represents it.
😏If you want to be loved, NEVER ever pay for a girl!
If you want to be used like a submissive provider, go on and pay for her, "you are a real man!".
He grew up in Italy since was born and so he is Italian. I see you are a real progressive person! This thing that if a person is not in tune with you is for sure coming from a country that is worse then yours is the basis of racism!
@@giovannia.1692 Let's not talk bullshit: a foreigner, even if he grows up in Italy, will always remain a foreigner.I don't understand how you can be so profoundly anti-Italian. Do you hate Italians and their history? Are you racist?
@@giovannia.1692The guy himself identifyed him as Serbian and not as Italian
He's the only true man and the only one I'd date out there.
I'm from South and here the man pay and I would never take seriously a man who don't pay
Absolutely!
Im from South and I think this is total bullsht. Im not defined by the fact If i pay or not especially if I dont know you or you are not my friend. Una stronzata assurda.
@@ForeverNihil Io parlo di relazioni serie.Se esco con qualcuno e lo devo conoscere è ovvio che pago anche io
what is wrong with loving mama, only woman in the entire world that love you unconditionally? seems like only italians and indian men understand this
There is nothing wrong with loving to live with your mom as an adult male, but it is an issue if you expect her to clean, cook, and do your laundry for you every day. A lot of men till this day don't know how to do simple house chores, because their mammas baby them, while modern day women are part of the work force, so they will end up doing double the work if the men also don't start learning to do domestic work. Simple as that.
@@lissandrafreljord7913 Isn't it simpler for women to do all the household chores and men working like it always has been historically? I mean, if men and women were equal, would it make sense for them to live together? Like if women get a job, live independently, wouldn't they think they don't need men and if men managed to cook, do the laundry, wouldn't they think they don't need women? When one looks at the divorce rates increasing and birth rates decreasing, it makes one think...
@@GeoSocratic No, it isn’t easier for most.
Despite of some manchilds, a lot of us known how cook in fact de best chef’s are men,do laundry,clean ect.
Divorce rates have decreased because now only people that really want to get married are the ones doing instead been the only way out of parents house.
Birth rates decreasing is do to multiple factors: socioeconomic, less need for kids to help with income, less liberty with a child,less disposable income ect
@@lissandrafreljord7913Like the Italian woman who had to go to court to evict her two 40 something sons from her home.
@@santostv. I only see marriages being destoyed no matter how much money is involved. These famous people divorce a lot. It is about time you stopped treating this situation as something natural and start admiting all this sexual liberation is only harming society and destroying already existing families and preventing new families from being created.
About birth rates decreasing, this is a serious issue as Europeans are already facing the consequences. Because you know, a society need young people to keep the work force and the pension system. They try to keep it from collapsing with migrants, but it isn't aging well. And the Government is to blame as they only increase taxes and debase the currency, decreasing people's purchasing power. Making things too expensive to raise a family.
If the man named "Omar" is from Serbia then I m from Nigeria. Neither his look nore his name are Serbians.
have you considered the fact that he may have been born there ? Nationality=/=ethnicity
@@swtnr You are not serbian just because you born there.Especially muslims never respect the country's life stlye,culture etc. let even adopting
It's actually Amar. The name has been written incorrectly
@@DatingBeyondBorders it s not a Serbian name either. Not the look, neither accent nore the name.he looks 100% Italian or south European
Maybe he's Bosnian.
I am Italian and living abroad. I think Italian women are dominant and as the guy said it is a matriarchal country 100%. In the past they were dictating bit undercover because just able to be housewives. But nowaday they crave indipendence and a better salary than a man as the ultimate excuse to make him always cook and washing up 🤣
Vivo anch'io all'estero da una vita e mi dispiace ammetterlo: tante donne italiane che vivono in Italia , e' vero che vogliono essere indipendenti ( giustissimo) ma cercano sempre di fare la bella vita anche con i soldi dell'uomo . Le generazioni stanno cambiando e probabilmente ci sono meno uomini polli che si fanno infinocchiare ma in Italia il pollaio e' ancora pieno e loro lo sanno.
Bulls*it, as an Italian I can confirm there is no matriarchy
I'm really suprised of their answers. As a Hispanic woman, I'm very spoiled by men. In Latin America, machismo is a big thing which is men taking on traditional roles. I know there are a lot of negatives with machismo against women, but I never experienced those negatives. It's been a positive for me. I never paid for anything, never had to work, I did all the cleaning and cooking but that's fine for me I have no problem with that.
I agree with you. I am also trad who likes macho guys. My husband is not Latino but slavic and he also spoils me a lot.
Equality does not equal uniformity.
The home of Dante Algieri, and everyone is pretty based? Who would have guessed that?? Love it!!!
Dante Alighieri*
Dante was pretty based too
So those who are not thinking like you are based? You’re comment sound like ‘800 century racist comment. Are you serious?!
A lot of the interview men that she speak of are probably hypocrites. I've met men like that (and women) They get upset if women say they wont have children etc but if they do they are punished career wise
Why would Italian women need to be a Feminist when the culture is already a Matriarch?
Minute 4.04 : Saying that Italy is a matriarchal society is like saying that Italy is the country of hamburgers and American coffee. Where that guy has been living all this time in Northern Europe where gender equality is a real thing ? Ashamed of the girl beyond him not saying a word …
Why isn't it? Men do heavier work, they die enormously more in the workplace, they receive more serious penalties for the same crime, they are affected by social and family pressures and violence so much that they commit suicide much more than women, they are more likely to be victims of violence, they are damaged by a pension system which favours women, ...
@@ElPavesaroTergestinmatriarchy means that the economic and decisional power is hold by women.
@@MichelaRossini it is evident that the term matriarchy was used extensively. After all, isn't the term patriarchy used even more loosely nowadays?
@@ElPavesaroTergestin probably.
Try in the south! 😆
9:17 "shut the fk up" the only good thing said in this video😂😂
Modern vvomen want the best of both worlds.
Fresh and fit fan here?
They want the privileges of men without the responsibility taken up by men.
I was watching people wave their hands more than anything else 😅
6:03. Couldn’t agree with this gentleman more.
And I totally disagree!
Couldn't disagree with this gentlemen looking like person.
People have different prespective and he sounds like he is not willing to listen or consider those.
Yeah, he is somewhat right. Some people, like the ones in this comment section, will try to neglect thousands of years of biological evolution.
True he is spitting facts
@@santostv. Some things are women just better at and many things are men better at. You cant change thousands of years of biological evolution in 30 years. He is clearly exaggerating the point too.
I m Italian and the only hot man in this video is Serbian.. I think I am going to Serbia..tall and gentleman ❤( I am half croatian so yayyy)
In English it's mama's boys not mama boys.
A dude who talks about spending time with a woman is a typical SIMP.
You BOTH spend time with each other and you BOTH need to take responsibility for the future of the relationship
The serbian guy is so wrong about so many things. He's just parroting the stodgy old rules, the repressive traditions, the stifling rituals he's been raised in. I always say: just because something is old or been done for a long time doesn't mean it is right.
It doesn't mean that it's wrong either.
@@MichelaRossini You don't understand it what I wrote. OK, let's try again with more details.
Those things that guy were talking are wrong, but not because it's an old habit, it is wrong because it is not right. Then why is he doing those? The only reason he's doing those things is because he's been trained to do it ("If you don't pay for the women you're not a real man!" or "Men don't do household chores." or "Taking care of the children is the wife's job.") and not because it is good. And since that's the only reason he's doing those things, that's why I wrote my last sentence.
You sentence would be correct if I had written something like "Get rid of all old habits and traditions because all old habits and traditions are wrong." I'm NOT saying this. Some traditions are good, some are not so good, some are downright bad. Everything he said is either bad/wrong or incorrect or both. And I repeat: I'm NOT saying it's old, hence bad. It's wrong, hence bad.
Is it clear now?
I loved the speech of the Serbian guy ❤
okay I need to marry Omar like right now
Serbian man was awake
Based and red pilled
Boring video, i want you to go to Afgjanistan or North Korea
How about you go there and make your own video rocking your fabulous my little pony pink hair.
@@lissandrafreljord7913sure, i will feed you those hairs
@@lissandrafreljord7913how about I can feed you some of my hair
Old generations will still insist to pay for a woman and will open the door and will protect her, will bring her home etc. But new generations probably will not do it always, which is a shame
I think living with your mother when you are 40 is beautiful :)
Beautiful like leechers
They are very feminist women and men in italy, Italian women are very pretty, not the men.
I agree, Italian women are pretty
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Why are they só feminist? Nothing traditional.
They interviewed northern young women. If they went down south, they would probably get different answers. I've heard there are two types if Italians culturally, the northerners and the southerners. The latter is more conservative and look like the Italians we grew up watching on tv.
Women typically won't deviate from the rhetoric of their friends, in a group setting
@@Sisterlisk that applies to both men and women.
@@GeoSocratic Florence is in Central Italy, they are not northerners. Also some of the people in the video are from the south.
@@GeoSocraticyou have such a naive view of southern Italian people 😂