Q&A#5 - the Quranic patchwork - Odon Lafontaine with Jay Smith
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- Was the Quran made by a single man? What can we make out of the 'patchworkness' of its texts? How was the Quran created?
The questions were asked in the comments by the viewers of videos of Odon & Jay, on Jay Smith Pfander Films CZcams channel.
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The first patch could read "This is Harran, the principal city in the North of the Babylonian empire in 600 BC. (It is now on the border of Turkey and Syria) Here the local Pagans worshipped a number of gods including : Sin the god of the new moon, the god of the full moon, and the sun god. But of all the gods, Sin was the greatest. Sin was the greatest because when the new moon appeared it meant there was enough light to work. People from Harran worked at night because it was so hot at day time. The chant "God is greatest" tradition came from this time. Fasting before the appearence of the new moon (Ramadan) came from this time. etc
The second patch could read "The Babalonian empire in 600BC extended down as far as Mecca and Petra. Nabonitus, the king of babylon at that time, made a lot of trips from Harran to Petra where he studied archaeology.
The gods of the pagan Nabateans were Dusharra , Al Uzzah, Manet. Dusharrah was the chief god and was referred to as Allah. Hence Allah is greatest, or Allahu Akbar came at this time.
The third patch could deal with the Jews who were centred around Jerusalem and worshipped their god Yahweh who had no other name than Yahweh. Yahweh in Jerusalem and Allah in Petra in AD 30.
The 4th patch could deal with the Romans who maintained power by insisting that their vassels worshipped THEIR gods and killed those who didn't do this. (This became a model for Islam) Prior to that their was "No compulsion in religion" in the Nabatean areas.
The 5th patch could deal with the arrival of Christianity and its spread from Jerusalem to Nabatea and the Heretical nature of the Nabatean Christians (Nestorians or Ebionites)
The sixth patch could deal with "Muhammad" as a well behaved Christian and his lessons re the bible.
The seventh patch could deal with Muhammad's schitzophrenia and his visions and delusions and possession.
The eighth patch could deal with his departure from Petra to Medina and his destitution leading to a life of crime, murdering raping and looting. YOU COULD DO THIS JOB BETTER THAN ME. BUT IT NEEDS DOING!
You give too much weight to Muhammad (the actual historical figure)
If it is a historical reality that the first 3 mosques were built in Africa - 613 AD Eritrea, 614 AD Ethiopia, 615 AD Somalia and the next two in Medina 622 AD, and 623 AD then there must have been an established religion at that time that built those mosques, regardless of who the prophet was. The Ethiopians read the Book of Enoch which deals with the angel Gabriel and the fact that Noah spoke from the cradle (not Jesus). These gems do not come from the Old Testament. Perhaps when Muhammad was thrown out of Petra, he first went to Africa and then to Medina and then back to Petra (Becca). It seems that the early Muslim conquests were mainly about killing, raping and looting and that the formalized religion was added later.
No it is not an "historical reality" because Islam did not exist that early on. Those buildings could not have been Islamic mosques (= places of prostration, of adoration). They were something else (most probably Christian buildings), like the Ummayyad mosque of Damas was something elses at first (a Christian church from the 4th cent., maybe earlier) until it became an Islamic mosque.
As for the actual historical figure of Muhammad (or maybe the Muhammads), do not give too much weight as he is not the one who created Islam or started the "conquests".
This uniquely religious approach is quite simplistic compared to reality.
In the 7th Century, less than 30 % of the Quran we have has been written.
I outright reject your argument