ESPN: The Reported Final Offer the Vikings Made to the Patriots for the #3 Pick
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
- ESPN NFL Nation writer Mike Reiss reports the Minnesota Vikings final offer to the New England Patriots was #11, #23, the 2025 first for the #3 overall pick and TWO mid-round selections. The Patriots said no. I respect that Kwesi held the line.
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So glad we didn’t make that trade
💯🎯💯
Thank you to NE for not taking this trade. We are all happier
I don’t think people are giving Quessi or McCarthy enough credit. I think Quessi used Maye as a smoke screen to get JJ. I think he knew the Patriots would get too greedy so offered just enough to make it look like they wanted him to misdirect other teams looking for a QB to get McCarthy without getting their offer accepted. You can’t go 27-1 as a QB and win a championship if you are just average. I don’t care how good your team is. If that was true, owners would just draft game managers and build around them. McCarthy could very well be the best QB in the draft and even become the GOAT. He is a victim of his own success. People see the 27-1 record and have a hard time believing anyone can be that good so say it was the team around him. No way. This guy is elite level and the world will see it soon. He has what Kirk Cousins lacked. Ability to make plays when it matters the most. One of the best 3rd down conversion rates. He’s basically the polar opposite of Cousins. Cousins put up big numbers but lacked the magic to win when it matters the most. JJ puts up modest numbers but does nothing but win.
I agree with so many things you said. I personally wanted JJ the whole time. However, I think tempering your expectations could be helpful. We don't have to be on the awful hate bandwagon everyone's on for JJ, but we can also acknowledge the risk in his evaluation.
One thing that isn't true is that you can't win the college title being average. I think you can do that; we just have to hope that wasn't the case. His age should allow him to develop, correct things, and even get a touch more arm talent, size, and athleticism. Personally, I think people are too up in arms over just one first round pick. Even if he was a cheaper version of Kirk that'd still be a win. We can always try again.
I don't think we need to try to convince ourselves that it was JJ the whole time. It may or Maye not have been. Either way, it doesn't mean the Vikings didn't love JJ, they would not have taken him otherwise. The evidence suggests to me they had Maye rated higher, but it's not settling to grab #2 for WAY less capital. And sometimes your second choice works out better anyway!
so happy with the way things turned out. i liked maye, but he's so risky. and trading up would've compounded that risk.
I'll take McCarthy and Turner over Drake Maye. I wanted Maye for sure but, at least at this juncture, I am happier with this deal
I don't get the constant "Kurt" disrespect gig. The guy was a class act team player all the way and now he's gone. You don't disrespect any of the other former Vikes. (except maybe Diggs).
Personally, I like that Kwesi didn’t give up the future for supposedly Maye. Kwesi got an impact player in Turner and McCarthy can sit until he’s ready. Who knows, if Darnold excels then McCarthy may be able to sit 2 or more years
“If Darnold excels” is the funniest sentance I’ll hear in 2024
@@ChilleBruhall he has to do is bring a game manager n not turn over the rock
@@seamb923Dude had more interceptions than touchdowns in 2020 & 2021… He is not a “game manager” and that's never been his play style, he's a gun slinger. He's also never once played a full season, so if even that happens it’d be a miracle. He has all the physical talent in the world, but doesn't have the processing speed and decision making to be a “game manager”. He could surprise us all, but it’ll have to be more in the mold of a Brett farve/Drew Brees and not a Tom Brady/ Purdy type of player.
@@Rock-Licker but wit koc can break into his mind n show what you process you never know
That would've been my offer too. I think Maye can be a Herbert style QB. JJM can be a Burrow with the right coaching. 🤞
While there are so many factors that make it unlikely that he will be Burrow, such as not having the greatest QB season of all time like Burrow did at LSU, it's crazy to say that he can't athletically. They are about the same I feel like, minus a couple inches in height.
@@RednGone I agree. As long as he's 85% of Burrow, I'd be coo with it. 😅 but overall, I just want him to do great with us. 🙏
It's great to see Vikings fans who wanted Maye warm up to McCarthy. Just wait until you see him on the field. He just has that aura and IT factor that is difficult to describe.
He has the IDGAF sigma vibe like Burrow, we're going places
I like that you mentioned Burrow.
Because you look at him and may not see a generational talent, but he has the makings of and chance to be a generational player.
The shade towards brock purdy! Hes a top 10 qb in the league
Maybe. He’s on the perfect team with a great offensive minded coach.
Time will tell
@@alyssasims7277 I understand your take but there are throws you watch leave his hand and they are perfect accuracy
@@G0ster Yeah, add in his excellent mobility. He made some key runs in the playoffs. If JJ could be like that, it's fine for the 10th pick since our offense is also good. Just draft another in the top 5 if we suck. Josh Rosen - Kyler Murray
Honestly, i dont think the Vikings wanted Maye. I think they were all in on JJ the entire time. Listen to the conversation Kwesi had with him on draft night. Sure sounded like he was the target the whole time.
The trade up was for Maye all the way. He was their #1 of the qbs available (Williams and Daniels were off the table). I think the Vikes had McCarthy and Penix as 2a & 2b without much separation.
Maye is pretty freaking big for a QB. 6'4" and 239 lbs. Big Ben Roethlisberger was about the same (6'5 240). I wonder if Maye is going to have that same toughness and strength.
Thinking back on it, Culpepper was 6'4 260
Byron Leftwich was 6'5 250
But all three of them had cannons for arms.
Maye was the better all around prospect. JJ weighs 201. Good luck. Some act like we have a great OL. We are as weak as can be at guard and center. Nobody will put us in the Chiefs, Lions, 49ers ect.. class. Darrisaw is a very good player but compared to the 49ers LT he can't play the game. The 49er guy owns the left side. That's a great player.
@@jamesmerritt3267 201lb was measured before michigan 2023 season. He weighed in at 220lbs at the combine. Hes 21 and still is filling out.
Maybe it was an if than scenario, whoever fell to the last good QB... take whoever that is... that's what they did. They got the most value for the least amount of money. They even traded up for Dallas Turner. They replaced 2 great players we lost last year for our team.
New England is going to ruin Maye, guaranteed. Feel sorry for the kid. Happy how things ended up for us, Kwesi Cooked!
The Vikings would’ve rebuilt the patriots team with those draft choices they wanted. I am very happy with these selections. I was against trading even two first round draft choices. I thought we could get McCarthy at 11. I still think we would have gotten McCarthy at 11.
Maybe it’s gonna work out for the best for us. But it would’ve been fun to see Maye develop under KOC in this offense.
JJ also played hockey. He is tough
I deserved a special mention in this video for relentlessly being right about not trading up.
It was a sh*tfight against fellow Vikings fans to convince you.
Now I hope you all enjoy our new top tier QB, and Dallas Freakin' Turner, and next years 1st-round pick 🍺.
You can't know if you were right or not for a few years.
@@tpipandpop4242 Yes you can. The value of the pick is based on the value at the time of drafting. If we knew the future, their values at the time of drafting would be entirely different.
Patriots are so dumb for not taking that 😂😂😂😂😂
Let them regret it
6 yrs from now maye will be jj's back up. And happy to have the job.
Would’ve loved to get Maye, but getting JJ at 10 and Dallas at 17 is pretty good
Ahh yes take the old season without a QB approach that’s a genius idea, people don’t understand how important that position is
Getting stuck with Ponder 2.0 was absolutely preferable to getting rolled over the coals by NE and drafting Brock Osweiler 2.0.
I'm not certain the Vikings would have taken Maye either. Doesn't it just seem like McCarthy was their guy the whole time? It seems like McCarthy was prepared to be a Viking, and it seemed like O'Connell had already developed a really strong relationship with him. It really feels like the Vikings had their eyes set on McCarthy, and maybe they were concerned that the Giants would pick him at 6, or even that the Chargers might at 5, and maybe the Cardinals weren't playing ball because they were set on Marvin Harrison Jr.
Worked out well with us.
I think it seems that way because he was indeed a top prospect for them. They did build a relationship with him, but it's possible they did with a couple other guys. There's still a possibility that someone else was rated higher but doesn't mean in any way they don't like JJ.
The only argument you could make is they panicked and picked a guy they hated in order to satisfy owners or the fans. I really, really don't believe they did that. That doesn't match KOC's thoughtful approach to QB. That would be unfortunate.
In 2025 Draft Brian Flores Dog, Give his Cat Season Tickets, do whatever it takes to Keep Flores, Keep the Defense Fierce…
SKOL VIKINGS
Due to his lack of offers, I think Flores has agreed to sign on through 2025 (The same timeline as the roster rebuild we're doing)
He will attempt to have the same defense growth curve he had in Miami. I can't remember the ranks but he basically went worst to first in three years.
At that point, people will definitely want to hire him. Hopefully, for his sake!
Not even that crazy of an offer to move up, they must not have wanted him that bad
Honestly, think the only QB worth to trade up for was Daniels. So, glad things turned out the way it did.
0:29 you’re salty af 😭😭😭
Go back to his interview with Pat. “Naturally accurate” I don’t think it was honestly Maye. I think it was McCarthy or pennix. As much of a maye fan as I am, he is by far the least accurate of the bunch of the top 6. All we can say is we preferred McCarthy or nix.
But bottom line...Maye really doesn’t look like a fit. JJ by contrast just clicks into the puzzle.
"Cut my life into pizza..." ??? Bro my high school best friend is a roadie/guitar tech for this band LMAO.
Ill be willing to bet anything that jj is better than maye when its all said and done i promise
I’d take McCarthy and Turner over just Maye or McCarthy any day.
Vikings were humongous winners wow. McCarthy will be the best QB from this draft, and the pats will ruin maye. Plus Dallas turner gonna be great. When we analyze the super bowl champion to-be vikings in a couple seasons, this draft will be cited as the genesis of that team.
Man that would have been an awful trade.
I don’t know why they wouldn’t take that trade glad they didn’t tho
If he becomes the next Brady (multiple lombardi’s) and the patriots passed on him….😂
Yeah the patriots will be like the Texans, and David Carr he was ruined in his second year, all beat to shit, no o line shitty coaching, bad team just like the Pats.