Shimano Nasci vs Shimano Sahara: detailed comparison and review
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I spooled it with 8 LB test mono for lighter lures, gave it some practice casts and found that it did cast well czcams.com/users/postUgkxSlytCJqozTF7EbdP4LWP-HUXf9WRDJ0e , except that the anti-backlash setting had to be turned up almost all of the way to keep the "overcasts' ' down. I disassembled it, and found that if I potted some "shim washers" behind that anti-backlash magnet assembly, it got the magnets closer to the spool without rubbing, and I could get better control with about a 6 to 7 out out 10-Max setting. I also noticed that the handle shaft had some internal end play, maybe only 2 or 3 thousands of an inch, but it's still noticeable. If the anti-backlash and shaft tolerances were "tightened up" this would be a fantastic value. I've only used it for 4 days of fishing in a month's time, but I plan on keeping it.
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This video is the most well thought out,honest and educational video of its kind!!!
Thank you so much!
I switched to spinning gear a couple years ago,and love the simplicity or them.
My Sahara reels do all I ask,and are by far the best bang for the buck I've found.
They are so good that buying expensive stradics has become pointless. The saharas are hust as smooth, only a little heavier.
I’m a bit late on this one, having already bought two Nascis. I will be getting Saharas from here.
You deserve excellent props for this video. Very notably discharged, friend. This is an excellent example of the passing of pertinent information to the viewer without a lot of nonsense. Keep them going.
ha! what a well written comment! Thanks for taking the time and hope to see you around!
i_fish-I hope I do see you around sometime. I believe we have a lot in common. I bet I’ve spent more at BigCarpTackle.com this year, however.... I think I may need professional help with my carp fishing addiction. The bad part is, carp are only my third favorite species behind Flathead Catfish and Crappie....I’ve got the European Carp Gear bug now, however-no doubt helped along by Luke from Cats and Carp and Brian Wiengard (?) Northwest Indiana. I know a place to catch 400 pounds of carp in five hours...with teenage girls doing all the catching and dad doing all the work (unfortunately).
Out rivers are full of carp. I have videos with more thsn 20 carp on the channel. The problem is finding big ones. I had the euro carp fever too. Now i dont use carp tackle any more, it is too big and clumsy. My top 3 species are the same, but i dont know how i would rank them. Usually i fish for whatever has the best bite right now. And right now its just catfish.
I am a loyal Shimano reel guy. Own about a dozen of their reels including two Saharas. Just learned something new today. Very informative video.
Great to hear!
Great video sir- One additional important thing the Nasci has that the sahara doesnt is part #17207, its a weatherproofing seal over the anti reverse clutch...As that bearing is truely the only part Ive had issues with on spinning reels, that little seal combined w/the knob and rotor nut seals is a nice feature (in my opinion)...At any rate- Thank you very much for the great content over the years!
Yeah so true, as i have seen on tackle adviser's video about the nasci, as for me a saltwater fisherman, every ounce of protection is worth it.
I have sahara 4000, sedona 4000, , and nasci 4000...You are correct. They are the best values for the money. Ive caught tons of trout, bass, catfish, perch, bream, crappie and and even dungeness crab...and hopefully some steelhead and chinook or coho salmon with the nasci. Great video, arguments and info! Thanks.
You gave me all i wanted to know and convinced me to get one of these Shimano reels, thanks for a great video. Your style is spot on and very informative with comparisons between the reels, just what we need to make our choices.!
thank you sir
This guy sounds like a school teacher doing online learning
Just picked up a Sahara and found this video review was even more surprising than I expected
that review is on the old sahara, but holds for the new sahara as well
@@ifishcatfish So many reels are just slightly different rebranded versions, unless you can compare them side by side, you would never know.
wow, thank you! your review was very helpful. I could not figure out the difference (besides) price between these 2 reels but now I know!
Natalie Vaz i appreciate ur comment. Hope to see u around.
I just finish my sahara 1000fi tuning. Ball-bearing in line Roller and handle Knob. plus 0.01mm copper washer on main gear and knob handle. And now is perfect
I've been thinking about this. Where did u get the washer? Can you share the source of the parts with everyone? I will put it in description. I would appreciate that.
@@ifishcatfish I found multiple videos with these upgrades to knob handle and line roller. I don't understand russian, but it's easy to get the ideas what they suggest to do.
1. Knob handle. Two 4 x 7 x 2.5 mm ball bearings are needed to replace white plastic cylinders. After that there is some movement of the knob. It could be fix with a thin plastic or ther material washer.
2. Line roller. I don't know the diameter of ball bearing, but looks the same as for the knob, need to measure. Maybe somebody else can tell the size? Also there is a too big movement of the roller and they fix it by adding a washer from the rotor. I wouldn't do that, I am better planning to find the needed size washer.
Couple videos:
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Just got the Sahara 4000 off Craigslist for 5 bucks what a steal for me
Great review. The Nasci is amazing. I like the bushing line roller as it has no bearing to seize in saltwater. Much simpler internals to a Stradic. Little flex in the body for graphite. Looking at anotber one now.
I just bought the Shimano 4000 sahara, omg!! The strength of this reel is insane ❤️
Great review, thank you. Just bought the Sahara 2500 and can only agree…. Bang for the buck for sure 👍‼️
Great review, I like the way you actually took time to look at the drawings and compare the actual parts that were common. I purchased a couple of Sahara's last year and use them to fish the surf. Excellent reels! I do notice that most sellers have raised the prices from last year even though no real changes from last year.
The exchange rate with Japan changed about 5-6%. One dollar today buys only 103 Yen. When I bought these 2 reels one dollar would buy 115 yen.
The Nasci 4000 is such a great reel. I have the 4000 XG version with the 6.2:1 gear ratio.
Thanks for your research on these reels and your honest opinion. Much appreciated 👍
Thanks for the video, this is the kind of comparison I like ..Thanks again
Amazing video really appreciated... I went from the sahara to the nasci but the lack of line roll bearing is a deal breaker for me so maybe I'll splurge and go for the stradic c14+
i have the regular stradic and the CI4+. Those reels do not feel any better than the Sahara. I am really sensitive and anal about detail, but they don't. Something interesting is that even the resistance is not lower, even though the CI4+ has lighter rotor. Do u FEEL something when u reel the line that comes from the line roller bushing? I have never felt that. For saltwater reels they don't put a bearing on purpose, because when it seazes u can't clean it and lube it and keep going, like u can with a bushing. Daiwa LT reels have a bearing there, if u want alternatives, but I never felt that bearing was necessary. When daiwa puts that bearing on their high end reels, they actually mag seal it, because without a mag seal that bearing becomes a problem very fast.
That was the exact answer for what i am looking for 👍🏻
I am using sahara 4000xg on saltwater for almost 8months now, i never had a single problem on it, it gets a lot of saltwater sometimes but i always clean / rinse it up with water and keep it dry after using. planning to do maintenance when it reaches 12months tho.
i got similar feedback from other viewers. You might be able to do that, but that doesn't mean this is a saltwater reel. People splash their reels, sometimes sand gets in, and this reel has no protection against that. If you are a gentle user and then clean it religiously - you will get away it. But Most people will not. This reel does not have ANY protection, whatsoever! Not a single seal anywhere. If you say this is a saltwater reel, then every single reel on the market is saltwater reel, and this definition becomes meaningless. The Shimano Nasci, on the other side, has seals on all the right places, and can keep salt and sand out of the reel. Even the NASCI is supposed to be rinsed by the way, but it has protections.
i_fish 👌🏻
i use sahara 4000 xg in saltwater and i dont have a problem with the reel and if you are careful with it you can use it even on saltwater.
Great information, thank you. I think I’m ok with paying the extra $20 or $30 for the NASCI just for weather resistance and low-maintenance reliability. A bit of rain, no problem. Accidental splashes in the canoe, no problem.
Picked up the NASCI 1000 this afternoon. The store had both the Sahara and the NASCI, and I chose the NASCI. To me the seals were a good investment for $20. I’ve already got a Daiwa Fuego LT in both 1000 and 3000 sizes and really like them, I’ll have to see how the NASCI does. It certainly feels very solid.
@@ryannafe9252 fuego Lt vs nasci ,which one you like more?which frame flexes more?
The line roller being the first point of contact with water, it has the highest failure rate. For a fresh water angler the effects of water on the line roller bearing takes longer to produce that awful screeching sound while retrieving a lure. But for use in salt water that can happen very quickly. I actually prefer a bushing to a bearing in the line roller. Its easier to clean and maintain. With a bearing in the line roller you have to be prepared to replace bearings frequently. The thing is that there a sealed bearings available and i dont know why the manufacturers dont use them in critical places. The cost difference is well worth the reliability that they bring. For larger size reels where the load being handled is a lot higher, bearings on the line roller feel a lot better, but then again its back to sealing the bearings, and I haven’t yet found a reel that can keep water out of the line roller bearings no matter how much you pay for the reel.
i have never had issues with a line roller on a freshwater reel. Just a little oil on the bushing in the winter. TSI 321. Anyway, the fishing reel market is as free as it gets, no distortions from government agencies. If this is the way it is, there must be a GOOD reason for everything. So many knock off brands on amazon - why don't they put cheap sealed bearings and steal the bread from Daiwa and Shimano? There is more to it than that obviously. Overall i am very happy with the quality of fishing equipment in the under 100$ range. Back in the day buying expensive reels made a real difference. I have very expensive reels now and i can tell you the differences between cheap and expensive daiwa and shimano reels is only in the margins.
i_fish I see a lot a reels, so I know the kind of damage salt water can do to line roller bearings. They need replacement at least once a year even if they are maintained properly. I am a certified Shimano reel technician and also design and build rods. Probably the only guy in India doing these things. For my own saltwater reels i use Boca sealed bearings but for customers as per the service policy i just use Shimano parts.
thanks for the review, nice to see the differences shown and proven, keep it up. great info.
Thanks buddy
Good review I just got 2 Sahara 1000s about a month ago for saltwater trout No problems yet but I wash them immediately after use and they aren't my primary reels Satisfied for the price
I love Saharas, perfectly smooth reels with solid frame, but they have 0 protection against salt. Not one seal anywhere. Take good care of them.
Does the Nasci have seal? Is it good for sea? I fish at night and when i come home, i am tired as hell. No energy to clean my stuff. I go right to bed. I had Penn Sargus 4000+ Conflict 3000, i washed sometimes, both gone bad now. I have Shimano ALivio 4000 for 2 years now, wash sometimes. It is still as smooth as new. I just want a new one. Which one should i buy?
I bought the diawa bg and my friend bought the nasci like 3 years ago brand new at turners and let me tell you that the nasci feels smoother while my bg doesn't really feel that smooth anymore
Nasci has smaller but higher quality gears. if you need raw power BG is better, but if you prefer finesse and better feel, Nasci is better
Sahara and Fuego start at the 2500 size, I wanted a 1000 size for crappie and pan fish...Nasci starts at the 500 size and feels like a quality reel! Great video.
For panfish you really don't need a Nasci or Sahara. They both very heavy. Go with Exceller or Legalis or Regal LT. Much lighter reel, much more finesse feel.
@@ifishcatfish I already have a Legalis 2500
, Revros 2500H ( some Crappie and light or weightless Bass fishing ) and a President XT 3500. I wanted something small and different . They did not carry the Legalis at Bass Pro Shop near me and I had a $50 gift card....Oh and I'm also going to use the same reason as that one guy, I like nice things! Thanks for all the great videos and Happy New Year.
if you like nice things.. ; )
Appreciated the information my friend. New sub, bell etc. Can't wait to see more gear and reviews.
The Sedona is same reel without one bearing, but if you can replace the tephlone bushing from uper side of mineshafth and put them a bearing, you will have Sahara. Good video.
The bad think about new Shimano reels is that they are without switching on/off, of the back stop rotation. I think from Shimano should turn back this.
30 - 50 dolars for some rubber washers is too much.
correct. But the difference between Sedona and Sahara in price is 10 bucks. Even for someone like me who has these bearings in stock anyway its not worth buying the cheaper reel and opening it and replacing the bushing. U don't have any money and now you no longer have a brand new reel. And Revros LT to Legalis LT is identical relationship
I have the Sahara 5000 I use super lube in the areas where the water would go in and never had a problem i also removed the oil felt washers and used carbon x and I am able to catch some really big fish on light gear
never heard of Carbon X. Can u send me some links?
i_fish there the same drag washers for a penn battle 4000 I bought them on eBay pre cut u will also need cals drag grease I use these reels for big fish that pull drag they are smoother when they go for long runs
Send me links. I am really curious. I use carbontex washers only, want to see what else is available
i_fish i don’t have the link just go on eBay and type in carbon drag washers for a 4000 penn battle and just swap them out the felt washers have oil in them and the end up getting dry after about a year of use and the drag ends up sticking i also use super lube it is a safe type of grease that top end reel service guys use I use the grease on the top of the drag stack and around the main shaft and in the both sides of the Handel I never had any problems in the years of this method try it out on 1 of your reels you will be very happy I take extra care of my gear winter months are long in Massachusetts lol
This was an amazing video! Thank you so much!
Just serviced my 4000 SAHARA with a high density selicone based grease so now it's 100% water resistant... A bit tighter that before but stil smooth as soft serve ice cream... The HAGANE gears with the X-SHIP gear placement to me gives Shimano's midrange reels and even entry level I. E: the SEDONA the go ahead... I've a 3000 Daiwa Legalis, and even though it's super smooth I can still feel slight gear wear in it, where in Shimano it's like literally non-existent... I've a 1000 SEDONA which I have now for like a year and six months on one of my 5'6 ultra light rods / poles and opened it only once after like a year of saltwater fishing with it including my 4000 SAHARA which I have now for like a year and three months which I've serviced like 3 hours ago for the very first time, but take heed, my legalis I had or have rather for like say 8 months or so and I can begin to feel some slight gear wear in it as I said earlier on but this one I'll rather take to one of my trusted tackleshop staff to service coz I don't trust thus new Daiwa technology with all those clips and seals... Shimano in my opinion when it comes to entry level to midrange will outperform any Daiwa grinder in both fresh and or saltwater in the same class in the long run... Thanx for the great review, I'm looking forward to se more of your videos... Take care.
Sahara has machine cut aluminum gears. Daiwa LT reels under the Tatula have zinc alloy cast gears, which are inferior in durability. The problem with Sahara is that the body is made of thick graphite that makes them quite heavy
Very nice review, mate! I learned a lot! One question, tho. Are you by any chance a Bulgarian? Your accent seems very familiar. :)
Bolgarski
I own both and they’re both nice but only have one Nasci , and 3 Saharas because I thought the same as he showed in the video .. No real difference , especially a 35.00 difference .. buy the Sahara , you’ll like it ..
Great review mate, very informative & helpful
Thank you for the review well said mate
Thanks for taking the time to drop a line! I appreciate it!
Your channel is very underrated.. My I suggest changing your channel name; “fishing lab” or at least take out the underscore 😉
Great video and awesome content in general
You deserve 100K subscribers 💪🏻
sometimes I think about that..
Great summary and review. Thank you 👍🏻
The Sedona, $20 less than the Sahara, turns out to be very similar. I had a 4000 stored and unused I pulled out for my light kayak rod and was super surprised at how good that reel was - handles 20 lb snook no problem. As a result be been looking at the less expensive Shimano reels including the 2 year renewed here. I have far more expensive reels but frankly I might go with these classes of Shimano reels in the future. The line lay and drag smoothness is frankly better than my Van Stall, though of course I can’t just dunk it in the ocean is I drop it in the sand...! Might want to look at the Sedona for freshwater. I use it in saltwater and it holds up pretty well over the last 4 months fwiw.
i tried sedonas in the shop and they feel just as smooth brand new but the construction inside is significantly different that these two reels and I think the Sahara is a better value. Thanks for dropping a comment, buddy, hope to see you around
Thank you for honest review
I'm looking for saltwater reel for lure casting, do you recommend nasci or is there any other reel you recommend?
Nasci is great. To get a better reel u have to spend over 200
Thanks good information on the reels
Shimano should revise their reel cat. N reduce the uneccessary catagories of their reels line.
well, I don't mind more choices, but I wish they were more open about making variations of the same reel. People think they are buying better reel when they buy Nasci, but they are not. Shimano should say that this is a Sahara, with a few seals, so people can decide if they want to spend extra $30 on seals. If I gave them names, I would name the Nasci like this: 'Sahara SW' , because it is like a saltwater version of sahara and freshwater guys should not be fooled.
Nasci 4000 is really good for Jack Crevalle (around 10 lb) fishing ???
yes
I have the nasci 1000 for a while and used it alot there is another seal under the rotor that wasn't mentioned the reason I know it was feeling a little dry and own a collection of shimano lube and gave it a little top up and it feels even better than new!
are u talking about the core protect? This is half of the video. Careful with the coreprotect, it is not supposed to be lubed. That's not how it works.
@@ifishcatfish yes I know thay run lube free there's one seal on the shaft and under the rotor there's another one four altogether 👍🏻
That is such a useful review, thank you very much!
Has anyone a possibility to compare Ultegra and Sahara? I guess it will be the same Sahara with seals and extra bearing in the line roller.
No. I have looked at the schematics and it has some extra parts. It not quite like these two reels.
Thanks for the info, great vid 🤙🏼
thanks for taking the time to drop a comment, bud! hope to see u around.
First of all I want to thank you on the video, great work keep it up. Are those reels from 2017? I want to buy exactly the same Sahara for my medium to heavy spinning needs. Ty
yes, they are, but there aren't newer models available as of now.
Even better as they would be probably higher price 😁 One question more, would you suggest me getting Sahara or something smaller for pike fishing on a 2.70 30-80gr rod? Ty in advance 👍
Alternative would be daiwa exceller, which is just as smooth but lighter. For uktralight fishing exceler is better but for pike shara has stronger gears and thicker body. Not that u need strong reel to fight a pike. They dont fight much. But still fight more than roach :). For this long rod u cant use light reel anyway or it will feel tip heavy. Sahara will balance better.
Thank you on suggestions. Tight lines 👍
Thank you very much for ur very prompt reply!
For inshore saltwater use, how is a Nasci compare with a Daiwa Exceler?? Cheers
Nasci is the best saltwater reel around 100$. The only similar daiwa is BG, but that is much heavier. But i like Nasci the most. U don't have that many options. Most reels have no seals and no protection from salt. Exceller has no seals
Desde Argentina, muchas gracias por un review espectacular. Saludos
de nada, senior
Awesome. Than you for makeing this video i was actually looking in two buying nasci for inshore fishing
ur alternatives in this price range are Daiwa BG and Daiwa Fuego LT, but the Nasci feels MUCH smoother than the BG, and the frame is much stiffer than the Fuego LT
hi .. what do you think of the shimano sedona fi for saltwater fishing?
Hi! Love your videos. In 2500 or 3000 size for freshwater fishing which reel do you recommend: Sahara or Legalis LT? thanks
Legalis for Ultralight fishing and Sahara for bass fishing
Hello,
Can i use the Nasci in saltwater without it takes damage?
please watch the video. I show all the seals. It has good protection, but it is not waterproof. it can take some splash but i would not drop it in the water
How have these held up after use? Interested in thr Nasci.
I love shimano sahara 4000 is very good for method feeder
You are an amazing reviewer bro, I like your videos a lot!! Can You make a review about the new Nasci 2021 vs these reels on the video ? I think it can be very interesting and maybe the video can be the comparison of the best reels under 100$ ?? Keep going with this amazing videos!!
i am not going to keep a nasci.. but maybe i should buy one just for review..
@@ifishcatfish Please make an upgraded video on the new Daiwa Legalis/Fuego versus Shimano Sahara/Nasci. I’m wondering what to get ..
very helpful information to have about the two reels....if i put grease up front on the nut , will it work it's way to the drag and cause any problems ?.......thanks for the review.
No, it wont reach the drag but will cause more bad than good. It will collect dust and dirt and u will have to clean it regularly. If u fish freshwater u dont need nothing there. Great as it is
thanks@@ifishcatfish , i got to thinking about that after i put it on there....i will take it out and clean it up.........thanks for rapid reply.......great video's , i just recently found your channel.
I like the Sahara reel .. saw that it also comes with a rear drag wheel .. is there any advantage to the "rear-drag" engagement vs drag adjustment on the spool? Maybe only user preference .. I don't know .. but the Sahara feels just a little smoother than the Daiwa 2500 LT
The read drag sahara is older model and cannot compare to this model. I only recommend this model (FI)
bought a saltwater nasci. I want a strong quality silk thread. What do you recommend
what the hell is silk? Do u mean braid? Daiwa JBraid is my favorite. It has a Grand version now. Its good and cheap
Thank you for sharing.
You did great man. Thanks for your effort
Umair Ahmed thanks, buddy, i appreciate it!
Wish I’d known this before I bought both Nasci’s ive got but I’m hard on gear. I ran the last one over and just replaced its handle because I love it too much to retire
Witch good sahara or nasci ?
thanks a lot, very informative
Great review! You are so right about the flexes in LT family! Ive caught a proper size of a queenfish with my fuego lt5000..but the flexes are really disturbing..thinking to buy ultegra 5000..what do you think of that? Thanks bro! Chill!
habib rider if u know how many people asked me about the ultegra. I need to buy it or borrow from someone for a review. If big size is needed, i would rsther have the ultegra than anything LT, but this is just based on what i’ve heard about it, i have never touched that reel. U should biy it and send it to me for a couple of weeks :)
mate, you hit all the points people want to know. not just fanboy facts.
looking at the specs. the nasci has hagane gears, the sahara doesnt.
I played with a ci4 in store and it felt smooth but yet a helios felt almost the same. the nasci was amazingly smooth. has a some but minimal movement (something i check on all reels). if you try to rock the spool it shouldnt move on good reels.
no. The gears in the Sahara and Nasci and Sedona are exactly the same. If you order new gears from Shimano, they will have the same part number. The 3 of them are the same reel with super small differences, that i explain in the video.
The spool on reels up to 200$ will move. Only very expensive reels have spools supported by 2 bearings
That's very interesting, I got the nasci for smoothness and it was the cheapest with hagane gear, but yet your saying the Sahara is hagane? It's def not listed in the box/specs... That's interesting marketing
Not just gears. And not just sahara. Sedona sahara and nasci is one and the same reel, with a few small tweaks. Every part number of sedona and nasci is the same, and i proved it in the video, but u wuit watching too esrly :)
Nah I watched your video and noticed you said same parts, I just didn't hear you use the buzz word hagane lol. Thanks for your info mate
Very well presented with lots of info. What would be best for saltwater in your opinion , the daiwa legalis or the Sahara?
neither of these reels have any seals whatsoever. The Saltwater version of Sahara is Nasci. Saltwater version of Legalis is Fuego. The Nasci is a little better, but the Fuego is a little cheaper. If you go big sizes, go Nasci because it is stronger.
@@ifishcatfish I mainly fish from the beach and have been using the daiwa crossfire for a while, had no issues with it while it was good.
Thanks for all the info , helps a lot .
if u keep sand out of it and u wash off the salt and lube it every winter - u can use any freshwater reel for saltwater. But in my position I can't recommend a freshwater reel for saltwater because not everyone takes care of their reels and I don't want to get blamed for offering a freshwater reel for saltwater. The Fuego and Nasci are great reels if u can afford them - super smooth and well protected..
@@ifishcatfish thank you very much. Helps a lot
Have you had any issues with the fuego , as in too much flex?
The one I got from Craigslist for 5 bucks say sahara GTE 4000
does it say sahara FI? FI is the one with the new generation hagane gear , The old ones have zinc gears that are neither as smooth not as durable
Looking for a lighter set-up...is Sahara 2500 gears durable enough to withstand occasional 7-8 lb catfish and carp?
yes. occasional is no prob. Of course you have to play the fish, not winch it like a maniac
In size 2500, its bether Shimano Sáhara or daiwa fuego ?? For light spinning.
Tnxs men.
unless u fish saltwater u don't need fuego. It is an exceller with magseal. For ultralight fishing Exceler is better. For bass fishing Sahara is better because it is stronger. Sahara is stronger but much heavier... so depends whats more important for you
@@ifishcatfish
Thank you very much for your directions.
I choose this:
Major Craft New Crostage Hard Rock CRX-792M / S 2.45 mt 5-25 g
Shimano Sahara 2500 HGS
Greetings from Asturias - Spain
Good review. Can I use the nasci 4000 for micro jigging?
No! : )
Thanks dude.great video.
Nice Info!! Have 8 Sahara 3000FE's....Reely like them!!
how about nasci hgs fb 2500? i want to use it with shimano diaflash bx ul 3-10gr for light rock fish on saltwater? can you say something about it please?
MrIzmirli35 the high gear ratio does not feel so nice. More resistance when u turn the handle. If that doesnt bother you, yes, it is super smooth and you will like it. One thing to remember though is that the nasci , even though it is smooth like a stradic, its not sealed as good as a stradic. It still has some seals on main shaft and handle, but u will need to rinse it with freshwater from time to time, or salt will cstch up with you. Also, look at the weight. Nasci is very smooth reel, but its not light. I would pair it with ML rod, not UL.
Hello Victor, hope all is well with you and your family. Do you have any thoughts on the new Sahara FJ line and how it compares to the Sahara FI line? I am also a bit confused because your 4000 Sahara shows 4.7:1 ratio where as the ones I have seen for sale have a 6.2:1 ratio (SH4000XGFI).
the gear ratio is not a function of the new generation, but the model of the reel. When the model name starts with XG, it will be x-tra high gear ratio. Just find a model without H or X. But probably you will have to buy such model from Japan, because here in USA everybody hates slow gear ratios
@@ifishcatfish Good to know, it will be hard to find one of those but thanks Victor
I got Nasci 4000xg and Nasci C3000hg
Both price please
Nice video, as always :-) . I want to buy the Nasci 4000 for use in the sea because the 4,7:1 ratio is what i am looking for. You have been using this reel for almost 2 years i guess so my question is this: How does it feel after all this time of use? Thank you
It feels great, but i have to tell you, i am extremely gentle with my tackle. These reels have never seen dust or even rain. They are pampered boat reels. So they would hold well in all cases. I am not a good source of durability information
@@ifishcatfishthank you for the answer. I treat them very well too. Just i need something powerful that can be put under stress.
well these have graphite body, not aluminum. They are not for sharks. If you want a reel for sharks get the daiwa BG. I do like these better though, lighter and smoother. But for sharks or something really strong, i would get the aluminum daiwa BG
@@ifishcatfish 😀 no not for sharks. I live in italy and i want to fish for seabass and bream (sargo) in the waves
Amazing video, bro can you tell me if the wormshaft on nasci is the same on sahara
everything is the same, no exceptions, other than those in the video. But these reels dont have worm oscillation, they have the daiwa locomotive oscillation
Year my brother has the Sahara, he hate this vid cuz it proves I have a better real( I have the Nasci) thanks
There are actually some differences between the two reels in the way they are designed. The Nasci has 3 seals to protect the bearings that the Sahara does not have. I just purchased the sahara today, it is a lovely reel for the money 👍. Now to see how much 3 seals cost
It has 4 extra seals. Just watch the video. There is even a fifth seal that is silly and i didnt mention in the video but technically there are 5 extra seals.
@@ifishcatfish apologises my friend. Do you know of any companies that make an upgrade kit? I am planning on using the Sahara for both freshwater and light saltwater lure fishing (Bass, pollock, etc)?
no. Shimano sells all the parts separately though, but it would have been much cheaper to buy the Nasci. Then u don't have to disassemble the reel. Installing core protect is somewhat involved
@@ifishcatfish thanks, I was thinking the same. I am just going to buy another reel for bass fishing, intended to anyway. I will get a Stratic FL, looks too be an exceptional reel for the money
Hello boss i wants to know is sahara n nasci are made in china? Can you please confirm this?
mine say made in Malaysia
Do you recommend shimano sahara 3000 or 4000 or some other size for DAM nanoflex pro 10 ft, 20-50 grams? I use this rod for universal fishing with spoons and jig heads for pike and zander.
for 10 foot u can go with 4000. Sahara runs small for the size. But buy the low gear ratio from japan. Makes a world of difference. Spend 10-15 dollars more but buy the low gear ratio
@@ifishcatfish Thanks for the quick reply. You helped me a lot. Thumb up for your videos.
Hello, how do you compare those reels to penn pursuit III 4000?
i have never owned a penn, but in the store when i just test penn reels I have never liked one, thats why i never bought one. I would say these reels are better but to be honest i have no expertise in Penn reels
You say the spools look different but can you use them on each other?
all parts on these two reels are interchangeable. There are no exceptions. Every single part is interchangeable
The Sahara has a rear drag version. What are your opinions on rear drag?
Before 2017 Shimano used lower quality gears in the Sahara. I don't know about the rear drag. If its a new model it should be OK. If its an old model i recommend against it. In general front drag is better
Looking to get a reel for inshore ocean. Is the nasci worth getting over the sienna? I hear they all break in salt
johnnymohani how much of my video did u watch? Its too long, i know but ur answer is all there. There is no such thing as nasci reel. Only sahara. One of them has seals, one doesnt. No other difference. Watch a few more monutes if u r considering this reel. Then consider a sub
I've used Sahara for 5 years in saltwater. dunked a few times (pulled up the reel as fast as i could). sahara help up well, but i would rather get the Nasci; my next purchase.
Luis Castillo i def recommend nasci for saltwater. It is sealed pretty well, and as long as u dont do something stupid, like submerge completely, shoult stay butter smooth a long time.
all your reels have a nice line lay ,very straight and accurate to reel spools...i cant spool my line as good as yours to my new nasci 4000xg..when i spool,the line was more at the top and the below of the reel spool and look a bit less at the middle of the spool...i tried so many times adjust with the spare washes given but its not work......is it just a normal for a shimano nasci or you have any advices to solve my problem?thanks..
good observation and good analysis. If it makes u feel any better, i RARELY just spool the line and it gets perfect without spool washers. But i have so many reels and I have done it so many times that I have experience now. I always have cheap line on the bottom of the reel and only about 100 meters on top. When I am spooling the cheap line i pay attention to the line lay. If the line is heavy on top, look on the bottom. How big is the gap on the bottom? You have to be precise. If the gap is very small, use a thin washer. The washers provided are different thickness and you have to use a washer that is as thick as the gap on the bottom. You can manually fill the gap with the cheap line before u start spooling the good line on top with the washer correction. You will get a good eye with more experience, but even expensive reels need washers. Thanks for watching - see you around!
i_fish
oooo i see...thanks a lot
I love your videos! Great job!
Bill... why can't i have more viewers like you...
Hi can you let me know what brand/model is blue mono on your caldia and stradic fk?
This is 15 year old Japanese line called Tornado. I bought a pack of 50 spools many years ago to get a low price. I still use it today.. it is my lucky line : ) , All my big carp were caught on this line
Awesome review!! Thank you for sharing! I will support you!
Bearded Bass Bros i appreciate that buddy!
for saltwater, legalis lt or the nasci ? (1000 size)
Nasci
I think the Daiwa BG is a pretty good value. I have it and the Nasci. It's tough to say which one I like better.
you know, on all of internet, I think I am the only person that didn't like the Daiwa BG reel. Maybe i got bad luck both times, but I did try to buy this reel twice. If I were saltwater angler I would buy it, but for freshwater it doesn't feel as refined as the daiwa LT reels or the Nasci and Sahara. Too heavy and too much resistance when u spin the handle, and even though it has digigear it doesn't feel as smooth as other digigear reels to me. That's just my perception from trying two reels but never owning one, so I do realize I can very well be wrong.
It's all about what you like as a fisherman. I like the BG 4000 for what I do which is bank fishing catfish in muddy/sandy conditions. The Mineba bearings are a nice feature on the BG. The aluminum "hardbodyz" frame with no flex is nice too. I bought 2 BG 4000 for catfishing but I like the Nasci 2500 better for bass and panfishing. The Nasci feels better in the hand (the BG is heavier). They both have an extremely good drag system and smooth reeling. I just feel that the BG will last longer under rough conditions. And I like the braid ready spool on the BG. It actually works, no backer for braid needed! Never fished an LT, will have to check them out but I'm pretty sold on the BG for catfish in rough conditions.
I was surprised that the Sahara and the Nasci were that similar. I think you are right with your analysis, 1 for saltwater the other for freshwater. You do good work, keep it up. I enjoy watching your analysis of reels!
İ see that Shimano nasci, ultegra, sahara doesn’t have the reverse click under the frame for pulling back the line when needed. Isn’t it a disadvantage?
In my whole life of fishing, it has never happened to me that the spool move FORWARD. You don't have drag sound if the spool moves FORWARD, but you tell me how can the spool move forward when you fish? It is not possible when u fish. You can only move it forward with your hand. It is still strange that shimano changed that, but it makes no difference whatsoever
i_fish maybe it’s for better protection from water. I am just trying to guess. But I think it’s necessary when you need to pull forward your line before throwing your fake bait in the water.
Emin Ferhat if u pull the line, there is drag sound. Only if u spind the pool forward there is no sound
There is a big differens with Stradic ci4 that is the weight you dont tell only the price and it turns really smooth. I also haven 2500 and 4000 Nasci not that smooth, but turns ok Also you cant compare it how it feels when your Ci4 Stradic is on your rod that is a big differens certain if you fish light.
You pay for the weight and quality in reels and rods, my creditcard know. Lol
Thx for the compare video nice work 🤔
really, i was on a tight budget but wanted hagane gear first and foremost, hearing from engineers on what to look for. #1 was gear material and bearing seals, spool movement... in the shop. i went with the nasci because it was 1/2 the price and the smoothness was almost better than the ci4 and the helios 40... (unless the display model was just not maintained?)
the sahara doesnt have hagane, not sure why that wasn't pointed out?
do you own both nasci and ci4? how do you compare after much use of both? nasci has a major flaw with the clicker. but other than that. cant fault it. (slight wobble on spool if u firmly move it) but happy with it for the $ only other issue i dont like is the flex in the mount =(
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is it possible to upgrade from sahara to nasci?
Yes but its cheaper to just buy nasci
thanks for the info!
thanks for the comment bud
Quick question do you think I should get the sahara or nasci for river wading I might drop the reel in the water or get it wet do you think the sahara will be fine if it gets dunked in water or should I get the Nasci for the seals I’m only fishing freshwater
If water intrusion is a concern, get the Nasci. Freshwater has very fine dust that sticks to the gears when it dries. I have dropped reels in lakes and they don't feel the same.
Keep in mind even Nasci is not waterPROOF. I can withstand splash and rain, but if u drop it in the river for more than a few seconds - water will enter.
Nasci and Sahara are both too heavy for wading, if u ask me. Perhaps get the Daiwa Fuego. It has similar seals to Nasci, but it is lighter. Not as strong, but lighter and just as smooth and cheaper. If wading for trout, go daiwa. If wading for salmon or bass or anything of that size - go nasci
i_fish I’m going to get the nasci because the splashes and dunks I the water I would go daiwa but river smallmouth bass up to 5 pounds in current lt probably won’t be as good as nasci at handling them
i_fish I was looking at a previous comment that says the nasci doesn’t have a line roll bearing does it feel any different than the sahara