I took part in a double blind listing test about 6 years ago, where I was able to pick the cables on lifters at a rate well over chance. And so did quite a few other participants. The differences I heard were all in aspects like: soundstage size, depth, the musicians place within the soundstage, and other things related to spatial cues. The recordings I was able to hear the differences on, were of the type where all the musicians were playing at the same time, in the same acoustic space, where the recording engineer took good efforts to capture the natural ambience and spatial cues of the musical event. In other words, classical recordings. With rock and pop studio recordings, I could not hear any differences.
Trying to "hear" any differences with cable rising devices, one forgets to "hear" and *enjoy* the music itself. That's the downside of extremes in audiophilia...
me: "Why?" tweak: "It sounds better." me: "Explain how that works." tweak: "I can't explain it, but believe me." me: "I can't hear a difference." tweak: "There's something wrong with your hearing." me: "No, there's something wrong with YOU."
I understand this level of sarcasm. Fun to poke the box, right? However, you're not helping move things forward, and you're doing this at the expense of others. Perhaps a more productive discourse might be to say you don't get it, you haven't heard a difference - and in fact, you have never even tried it. Why because it's too silly and outside your realm to do so. That's absolutely ok. But do give some space for others. You might not have the kind of system where this would matter. Or, you do, and the small change isn't worth the hassle. That's legit and possibly helpful to others on this forum.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Paul, you know as well as I do that there are uncountable opinions in any area --- cars, movies, stamp collecting, wherever and whatever. You have yours, I have mine, others have theirs, and this is one place where we express them, isn't it?
@@spacemissing Yup. Absolutely, and I encourage it. I just want to make sure opinions expressed are civil and informed. When someone writes that something does not work or has no effect and has never taken the time to actually try it under the right conditions, then I think it is incumbent on all of us to point that out. Why? Because we all tend to take a person at their word. Over time that word can become gospel. Let's just make sure the gospel of opinions expressed is a real opinion based on experience. If you taste something and don't like it that opinion is extremely valuable. If you read a book and don't agree with it, that too is valuable. If you express an opinion on that book but have never read it, that's what I am trying to curb.
There are so many of these tweaks that I've wondered if it is just confirmation bias ? But as long as you believe you hear the difference and believes it's worth it, then it is !
Different heights have different effects, but when you get too close to the neighbour's floor, you will need cable droppers, not risers. The science is not exact at this time, MARK my words...
If the shielding was grounded and the cable fed from a high impedance source then the capacitance that the shielding introduced would cause a low pass filter effect BUT the output of a power amplifier is a low impredance source.
@@stevesmyth4982 I see, I didn't realize there was a correlation between shielding and capacitance. I'm quite a novice when it comes to electrical engineering. After a quick Google search I found this, _"shielding vastly increases capacitance. Because of the huge increase in capacitance when shielded wire is used, the capacitive lag caused by using shielded wire can corrupt the intended signals."_ I imagine _"lag"_ means the siginal is slowed. If that's the case, the cable would likely have similar attributes to a *much* longer cable meaning a more pronounced phase shift between lower and higher frequencies.
@Cody Jacques I think the lag you read about is what's introduced by a reactive load where the voltage and current become out of phase. If you find the wiki article titled Leading and lagging current it will explain but it's not simple. Screened cable has a certain amount of capacitance and inductance per metre dependent on the construction of the cable so a thin screened cable would be good for audio frequencies but not radio frequencies because of the losses caused by capacitance.
What a rabbit hole High end audio is. Lol. If you're trying to elevate the cables over power cables or other cables....sure, I can buy that. Otherwise if you're hearing a difference, it's likely confirmation bias/placebo effect.
cement, carpet, hardwood floors all different - we know because we set up the same equipment and high resolution recording devices on all those surfaces and then had musicians and experienced recording engineers with brilliant ears do exhaustive a/b listening tests after which we concluded, yes there is a difference - oh wait, that never happened. - love Paul and PS audio but honestly, come one now.
Wait, if you didn't do any experiments, and you're saying only experiments can determine veracity, then how can you have any opinion one way or the other?
@@StephenBrennanGuitar I re-read it and you clearly stated "oh that never happened", indicating the entire process you described never happened. My English comprehension is quite stellar.
Even if your floor is a copper ground plate, the very cheapest amp should dominate any capacitive effects. If you can hear a riser difference, l suggest getting a much better amp, such as a chinese Somy receiver.
One of the conductors in the speaker cable IS grounded (although not the case in many Class D amps or bridged amps). The other conductor is closer to that than the floor. Without some kind of science, or at the very least some repeatable blind listening tests, it's unhelpful to suggest that lifting cables off the ground makes an improvement , subtle or otherwise. The problem with this kind of 'tweak' is that once one company starts to advocate it, others feel obliged to do the same.
Blindfolded tests should be useful if done objectively and fairly and all the parameters are disclosed. Lifting cables off the floor sounds like the step you take after all the other more important ones have been addressed. To me, the 1st item that makes for a lousy listening experience is a poor recording. Maybe AI will solve that problem.
I have my speaker cables on top of the skirting boards (baseboards) only because every time I put them on the carpet the noise floor Rises. The thing is I've got woollen carpets which in fact shouldn't course any electric static interference. But there is a possibility it could be coming from the synthetic material of the carpet underlay.
The idea is grounded in science. Engineers understand that underground power lines have a higher total capacitance than overhead wires, due to being closer to other wires and closer to ground. Same applies to speaker wire - you lower the capacitance by raising them. Whether it provides a benefit to sound quality is up for debate and perhaps subjective. Makes sense that it could though.
Paul, do you think it may be the same physics situation as with batteries and concrete? If you take a car battery and store it on the concrete floor, it will drain significantly in a matter of days.
Modern car batteries do not drain sitting on a concrete floor. Back in the day the rubber cased batteries could suffer from moisture off the concrete because of the porous nature of the rubber. Not the case anymore.
Cable lifters are great because they allow to broom away the dust collected beneath the cables. In a dusty city like Buenos Aires this is an advantage!!! ;-)
Head -> Desk -> Thump… I did find urinating on my cables makes a difference, although only to my marriage and my dog. I love the cable riser idea, more splash.
There isn't any difference unless your violently shaking the cable like mad whist your ear is right up against the speaker ...Then the variation would travel and make it's way to the speaker variating it also, and pretty much it's more for the looks than actual making a difference. Also, your probably talking about capacitive coupling ground which usually people have isolators to prevent such things.
If I’m correct the AC power (including music) in a conductor also runs along the outside of the conductor as a magnetic field more so as frequency rises. If that is correct than a long portion of cable laying on a flat surface with a grounding potentially or a static field could change that magnetic field on the outside of a conductor. And higher frequencies would be affected more than low frequencies. I would also guess that the conductor’s jacket would make as much or more difference as a cable riser. Just a thought.
I think this video from Veritasium helps shed more light on what’s going on. Derek explains misconceptions about electricity traveling down a cable and I think the principles discussed explain why lifting a cable off the floor would make a difference: czcams.com/video/oI_X2cMHNe0/video.html
It's more likely to make a difference at extreme high frequencies and yet in all my experience in TV servicing I never saw the TV reception from the antenna outlet effected by placing 75 ohm unbalanced coax cable or balanced unshielded 300 ohm ribbon cable near the floor !! Never made any difference !! Just more audio foolery designed to put doubt in peoples minds in order to get them to spend more on rubbish that doesn't benefit them !!
Paul, for once I don't agree with you. Since a few weeks I am using Supra Ply 3.4/S. The shielding of that cable is connected on the Amplifier side to ground. This way it radiaton from the loudspeaker cable to for instance interconnects is limited. But my highly revealing Klipsch Cornwall also sound better. Airy, improved soundstage. And quiet passages are quieter.
Lifters are so passé now - suspending cables from the ceiling sounds much better. Make sure you use the finest silk threads and non-magnetic, stainless steel pins for best results.
This video is about making the speakers look bigger than they really are. Nice CGI effect 👍😎🤗 PS: I have cable lifters for my phone power cord. It makes the electricity flow cleaner. I know this seems crazy. I paid $1295.00 for a streamer that fits in my pocket..😳
There is certain audiophile insanity I will adopt into my system and it’s the insanity that only costs $6 at the dollar store. 6 plastic hooks with adhesive and my cables are off the ground
I use 5 cm high plastic cups. Free & good enough to get rid of all capacitance you can think of. I have not tried to hear if I can hear any difference with or without my "plastic cups" but I've read about it and since it's "A Free Tweak" I did it and are happy.
I’m using plastic cups as well, things do sound ever so slightly different. I’ll try them for a month and remove them to see if there’s a difference. 🤫
The wire gets a little electromagnetism when current flows through them, so they shouldn't lie next to each other either. It could be that the electromagnetism is reflected back into the cable if it is lying on the floor
Talk about “FLOOR NOISE”, I don’t think that’s what they meant!!!😂😂 But a bunch of idiots fell for it, to the point to the part where they lift cables off the floor with stupid shit. DO YOU ACTUALLY think or believe that the cable KNOWS it’s at a different elevation? How does it know the floor from the ceiling? Or the WALL? GTFOH
It's not that crazy if you think about it. If speaker cables aren't shielded and you run them along a large flat surface then you're going to experience differences with the cables grounding and inductive properties.
@@Mark-lq3sb he didn't hear the difference because there isn't one to hear, and if he did then it has nothing to do with preferences and everything to do with imagined psychological placebo effects and confirmation bias. Anyone claiming that they can hear the difference in the same system with the speaker wires on the floor vs. suspended a few inches off the floor is a fool or mentally ill.
There is a level of improvement in audio where it’s more about our brain creating it than the audio gear. When we believe something should sound better we often feel we can hear it, even it’s not real. Our brain works like this. I’ve also come to experience that I hear more details after drinking something with caffeine. Especially, I hear more details after drinking a Red Bull.
@@TheDanEdwards The human brain has great imaginary powers. People of every religion believe their particular religion is the true one and that they can talk in their prayers and inner thoughts to their particular God.
@@IliyaOsnovikovwhat changed was the tonal rendering. The 3d reproduction in the sound was better. But to be honest they weren't big changes, more the dots on the I
Why doesn’t someone that has ‘a real revealing system’ get an analyzer that ‘fits’ the cost and get a measurement. Like in real time tie strings to the cables and run them up to pulleys so they can be lifted up and lowered on the fly. I would think there are plenty of sensitive microphones that could do the job. Put the mystery to rest 🤦♂️
Risers are a totally snake-oil... there is absolutely no way you can hear a difference with that. If you are use them for cleaning purposes, then it's fine...
I suggest Alstom. This French brand builds the TGV trains which have excellent, state-of-the-art air suspension systems for high speed. This will make a difference on high-end systems as well.
I make my own cable lifters. I've tried many different materials and came to the conclusion that blocks of ice yield the best results. Granted it can be a bit of a hassle in summer time, but the difference is very noticeable. Try it.
"Give it a try" might be the best audiophile advice you can get. Unfortunately, it's difficult, especially lately, to find specific products on display locally (NAD, I'm looking at you).
Amazing the comments of those that haven't mentioned if they gave it a try. Paul said use anything to lift them up. No cost, just time on someone's part.
Paper coffee cups are perfect. Cut a little V on each side to hold the cable in place. If you like the effect build something that suits your decorating style. If not chuck them.
@@user-od9iz9cv1w exactly! So all the sarcasm posted here doesn't really make sense since cable risers aren't being promoted as something fantastic and you must buy them.
Give it a try = give it a buy. $$$ Sure enough even if the return rate was high you'll hook enough suckers who convince themselves with a placebo effect from "listening with their eyes" that it'll make the grift worth it.
Although I’m open to this idea, there must be some type of reasonable explanation for the effect. I could buy for example that carpet may have static electricity that could disrupt the signal. But how would a wood or concrete floor make a difference? They have no electrical properties that I’m aware of (correct me if I’m wrong!). I’ve heard it could be the metal nails for the flooring, but that really seems like a stretch. But concrete??? I get that shielding cables can be bad, as that has a direct electrical explanation. And how would wood blocks holding the cables up be any different from a wood floor?
A couple of youtube videos from last year about electricity and wires might provide a possible physical mechanism for cable lifters: “The Big Misconception About Electricity” and “How Electricity Actually Works”. The first one introduces the strangeness and where the common water-pipe model for electricity and wires might let you down. The second one is a followup video attempting to address the explosion of messages generated from the first video from people whose model was broken. 😝
would be interesting to vary some parameters: do eg coax or Kimber Cables react the same way as telluriums with spaced out conductors do? Kimbers should have much less interaction with magnetically lossy materials such as steel inside the concrete. would cotton braided cables be less sensitive because they might be less susceptible to any triboelectric effect against a carpeted vibrating floor? I find it is ridiculous to use a certain misinterpreted picture of “Science” to claim there can only be exactly zero influence: there are some aspects of physics that are or were not understood for long time such as mass: why do 2 masses exert an attractive force between them? we know it exists amongst planets or a sun and planets, things and a planet (gravity) but one could argue there is no such thing as an attractive force between Peter and Paul because there is “no evidence”, tho txtbook physics says there is, textbook physics however can not at all explain the effect, it can only describe it, but without understanding the mechanism behind gravity one could claim Peter and Paul are exemptions of gravity since it is not evident and measurements are inaccurate and not executed in double blind studies.. The discovery of the Higgs Boson btw changes that to some extent, and so we see that real science is a very different thing and should never be confused with textbook physics as it aims at properly measuring suggested effects even if they are of tiny magnitude, and tries to use existing or establish new theories to describe them, and to integrate this into the “scientific building”. So it can never be textbook physics that can prove the inexistance of a tiny effect, many properly executed measurements however might lead to some clarity.
@@pcm9969 Hopefully you can find them; I tried to post links but messages with links seem to be silently deleted. The videos are on the Veritasium youtube channel.
I've never heard such a load of crap! There is no scientific or audio evidence to prove it. I'm waiting for claims that cables must go downhill to the speakers.
I use cable risers and route my cables directly in front of the doorway so anybody who enters will trip and fall. It increases the sound stage. I've been able to successfully choose my setup in a double blind test 100% of the time.
It is quite depressing to hear the boss of a maker of audio equipment promote VS like this. Presumably PS Audio employ qualified engineers, they must be cringing in embarrassment. Reading the comments it is clear Paul has his followers who hang on every word. Paul is preying on those who are profoundly ignorant of basic science. However, I am sure the majority of Audiophiles can spot non-scientific nonsense like this. This must be damaging to the company reputation.
Do they work on balanced cables with XLR plugs between a DAC and an Active speaker? Surely it must have a huge effect considering the much lower power of these signals and higher relative interference?!! Oh wait ... NOTHING was said about the scientific/engineering effects of cable lifters here ... OK I will stop taking the p-s here.
I have made cable risers from pieces of oak about 8" high. My floor is concrete with oak parquet. The floor contains water tubes for underfloor heating. After raising the speaker cables (Kimber Crystal 24) I notice more extended highs, better imaging and faster transients. My system is very revealing with Exposure XI/XII/VIII and suspended KEF Reference Three Twos and Townshend Supertweeters. The Exposure is fed by a Topping D90 DAC and Primare CD32. I can definitely recommend it if your system is revealing. For bigger improvements isolate your speakers from the floor, clean up your power supply, defeat RF interference and use excellent signal cables. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
I run my 'speaker cables through a five light year long cylinder filled with anti matter and it makes a parallel universe of difference to the sound quality. Get outta here with your cable lifters!
Great answer. Consistent with my experience. Could I pick out the difference in an A/B test? Heck no. But several times I have listened to music and felt there was something a little off. Sure enough, the cables had fallen off the lifters. Put them back on and sound felt right again. In my case, carpet over concrete slab. A paper coffee cup is all you need.
@@TECHNICKER_CzYes, it’s all in our brain. If there was anything to this, it would be easy to prove it by a simple null test to identify the differential signal and judge if it’s audible. The engineers at PS Audio can easily do this. Let them debunk this myth.
@@TECHNICKER_Cz This is subtle enough that it could be. But the little chunks of wood will stay under my cables because real or imagined, I like the sound my brain perceives.
@@CVLova Perhaps. I am not sure what one would measure. Distortion? Wouldn't it be miniscule compared to driver distortion? I think a lot of changes we hear are so small that it gets lost in any of the typical measurements. Our hearing evolved to determine where the lion is in the cave measuring miniscule timing and phase info. Dogs can smell disease long before doctors diagnose it. There is something there that they can detect, but we fail to build a machine to match their naturally evolved senses.
Imagine buying a $100,000 system only to find out it sounds like shit because you need to lift the speaker cables off the floor… 🫣… 🤯… 🤣
We don’t use cable risers in high end recording studios because…. Well scientifically, it doesn’t do a damn thing!
So, no voodoo science for you? LOL
"scientifically, " - please give journal citation.
I took part in a double blind listing test about 6 years ago, where I was able to pick the cables on lifters at a rate well over chance. And so did quite a few other participants.
The differences I heard were all in aspects like: soundstage size, depth, the musicians place within the soundstage, and other things related to spatial cues.
The recordings I was able to hear the differences on, were of the type where all the musicians were playing at the same time, in the same acoustic space, where the recording engineer took good efforts to capture the natural ambience and spatial cues of the musical event. In other words, classical recordings.
With rock and pop studio recordings, I could not hear any differences.
@@pandstar Citation, and test description please.
I’m still on the fence about the same track on the same cd on the same system sounds different every time.
I never heard any difference but I do use them as it makes cleaning under the cables easier
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Now that has to be the best use for cable risers that i've ever read.
because your system doesnt have the resolution
@@SantanKGhey1234 m
How would you know that?
Have you listened to his system?
What any person hears is very subjective.
Easier to clean under the cables, now that makes sense.
Trying to "hear" any differences with cable rising devices, one forgets to "hear" and *enjoy* the music itself.
That's the downside of extremes in audiophilia...
It's best to use superconductive cables. Just isolate the cryogenic refrigeration units from your amplifier power.
If the riser are high enough it is easier to use the vacuum cleaner underneath the speaker cables.😋
Wow a snake oil salesman pretending he doesn't know what snake oil is.
Yeah that cable is so heavy it will not properly connect to any terminal unless lifted to same height as the connector, and distributing its weight 😀
We are so far down a rabbit hole. I don't think we are ever making it back kids.
How's it getting grounded when the cable is fully insulated?
me: "Why?"
tweak: "It sounds better."
me: "Explain how that works."
tweak: "I can't explain it, but believe me."
me: "I can't hear a difference."
tweak: "There's something wrong with your hearing."
me: "No, there's something wrong with YOU."
I understand this level of sarcasm. Fun to poke the box, right?
However, you're not helping move things forward, and you're doing this at the expense of others.
Perhaps a more productive discourse might be to say you don't get it, you haven't heard a difference - and in fact, you have never even tried it. Why because it's too silly and outside your realm to do so.
That's absolutely ok. But do give some space for others.
You might not have the kind of system where this would matter. Or, you do, and the small change isn't worth the hassle. That's legit and possibly helpful to others on this forum.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio
Paul, you know as well as I do that there are uncountable opinions in any area ---
cars, movies, stamp collecting, wherever and whatever.
You have yours, I have mine, others have theirs, and this is one place where we express them, isn't it?
@@spacemissing Yup. Absolutely, and I encourage it. I just want to make sure opinions expressed are civil and informed. When someone writes that something does not work or has no effect and has never taken the time to actually try it under the right conditions, then I think it is incumbent on all of us to point that out. Why? Because we all tend to take a person at their word. Over time that word can become gospel.
Let's just make sure the gospel of opinions expressed is a real opinion based on experience. If you taste something and don't like it that opinion is extremely valuable. If you read a book and don't agree with it, that too is valuable. If you express an opinion on that book but have never read it, that's what I am trying to curb.
There are so many of these tweaks that I've wondered if it is just confirmation bias ? But as long as you believe you hear the difference and believes it's worth it, then it is !
I'm sure it is..
is this due to static electricity in carpets... ?
Bro sat casualy on my dream setup
I tried ceramic risers for my speaker cables only. Couldn’t tell a difference
If I hang them from the ceiling does it matter they are now closer to the upstairs floor?
Different heights have different effects, but when you get too close to the neighbour's floor, you will need cable droppers, not risers. The science is not exact at this time, MARK my words...
Any guesses to as to why shielding constricts the sound? It seems counter intuitive.
If the shielding was grounded and the cable fed from a high impedance source then the capacitance that the shielding introduced would cause a low pass filter effect BUT the output of a power amplifier is a low impredance source.
@@stevesmyth4982 I see, I didn't realize there was a correlation between shielding and capacitance. I'm quite a novice when it comes to electrical engineering.
After a quick Google search I found this, _"shielding vastly increases capacitance. Because of the huge increase in capacitance when shielded wire is used, the capacitive lag caused by using shielded wire can corrupt the intended signals."_
I imagine _"lag"_ means the siginal is slowed. If that's the case, the cable would likely have similar attributes to a *much* longer cable meaning a more pronounced phase shift between lower and higher frequencies.
@Cody Jacques I think the lag you read about is what's introduced by a reactive load where the voltage and current become out of phase. If you find the wiki article titled Leading and lagging current it will explain but it's not simple.
Screened cable has a certain amount of capacitance and inductance per metre dependent on the construction of the cable so a thin screened cable would be good for audio frequencies but not radio frequencies because of the losses caused by capacitance.
What a rabbit hole High end audio is. Lol. If you're trying to elevate the cables over power cables or other cables....sure, I can buy that. Otherwise if you're hearing a difference, it's likely confirmation bias/placebo effect.
The ground is a ground?
Good Lord, those look like the battery cables on my truck!
You can’t explain why it works, and the effect is so subtle it can’t be discerned on most affordable systems. Sure, I’ll try it!
cement, carpet, hardwood floors all different - we know because we set up the same equipment and high resolution recording devices on all those surfaces and then had musicians and experienced recording engineers with brilliant ears do exhaustive a/b listening tests after which we concluded, yes there is a difference - oh wait, that never happened. - love Paul and PS audio but honestly, come one now.
Wait, if you didn't do any experiments, and you're saying only experiments can determine veracity, then how can you have any opinion one way or the other?
@@xxxYYZxxx re read, process and think
@@StephenBrennanGuitar I re-read it and you clearly stated "oh that never happened", indicating the entire process you described never happened. My English comprehension is quite stellar.
Whom do you think I'm referring to when I say it never happened?
Recycle your toilet paper rolls lads! Make an extra set so you can peer at your wife when she spots em!😅
you'll have the sceptics reeling with this one
Paul, could the cause of the cement being a problem be the re-bars and/or metallic elements that are lined the cement?🤔
Even if your floor is a copper ground plate, the very cheapest amp should dominate any capacitive effects. If you can hear a riser difference, l suggest getting a much better amp, such as a chinese Somy receiver.
One of the conductors in the speaker cable IS grounded (although not the case in many Class D amps or bridged amps). The other conductor is closer to that than the floor. Without some kind of science, or at the very least some repeatable blind listening tests, it's unhelpful to suggest that lifting cables off the ground makes an improvement , subtle or otherwise. The problem with this kind of 'tweak' is that once one company starts to advocate it, others feel obliged to do the same.
Blindfolded tests should be useful if done objectively and fairly and all the parameters are disclosed. Lifting cables off the floor sounds like the step you take after all the other more important ones have been addressed. To me, the 1st item that makes for a lousy listening experience is a poor recording. Maybe AI will solve that problem.
PS Audio are now doing chairs apparently! 😎
I have my speaker cables on top of the skirting boards (baseboards) only because every time I put them on the carpet the noise floor Rises. The thing is I've got woollen carpets which in fact shouldn't course any electric static interference. But there is a possibility it could be coming from the synthetic material of the carpet underlay.
They lift the mood in my system. Best relation price/specs between all the cheap components I got.😂
I listen to my music in a cryogenic chamber! My cables never sound that good!
So Paul, would you consider the Kimber Kable 8pr bad?
I have a pair and have compared them to my current Silversmith audio at three times the price. The Kimber's are VERY good for the money.
If you want to try it, and you are not worried too much by cosmetics, then cutting copper pipe insulation into 4" lengths works well. Total cost c$7!
Normally risers are used to elevate speaker cables away from any power cables that may cause unavoidable contact without the risers.
That's the only thing that makes sense
The idea is grounded in science. Engineers understand that underground power lines have a higher total capacitance than overhead wires, due to being closer to other wires and closer to ground. Same applies to speaker wire - you lower the capacitance by raising them.
Whether it provides a benefit to sound quality is up for debate and perhaps subjective. Makes sense that it could though.
A BHK mono 600 seems also to be a great chair !
At $16, 249.00 + tax (for one amp.) that looks like one heck of an uncomfortable chair, LOL!
Paul, do you think it may be the same physics situation as with batteries and concrete? If you take a car battery and store it on the concrete floor, it will drain significantly in a matter of days.
Modern car batteries do not drain sitting on a concrete floor. Back in the day the rubber cased batteries could suffer from moisture off the concrete because of the porous nature of the rubber. Not the case anymore.
Cable lifters are great because they allow to broom away the dust collected beneath the cables.
In a dusty city like Buenos Aires this is an advantage!!! ;-)
3 inches of dust covering all the cables on the floor protects them from the Ozone..👍🤗😎
When you can see or easily access your cables your room is awful
@Harald Reindl Yes, you're right! It's awful but dust free! 😹
@@DIY-valvular you don't get the point: cables belong into walls and floor - when I can see a single cable in my living room I start to puke
@@Harald_Reindl
LOL! Invite us over. We could all use a good laugh, or do you do tours? (Bring your own barfbags.)
Head -> Desk -> Thump…
I did find urinating on my cables makes a difference, although only to my marriage and my dog. I love the cable riser idea, more splash.
Wow! snake oil from Paul
There isn't any difference unless your violently shaking the cable like mad whist your ear is right up against the speaker ...Then the variation would travel and make it's way to the speaker variating it also, and pretty much it's more for the looks than actual making a difference. Also, your probably talking about capacitive coupling ground which usually people have isolators to prevent such things.
If I’m correct the AC power (including music) in a conductor also runs along the outside of the conductor as a magnetic field more so as frequency rises. If that is correct than a long portion of cable laying on a flat surface with a grounding potentially or a static field could change that magnetic field on the outside of a conductor. And higher frequencies would be affected more than low frequencies. I would also guess that the conductor’s jacket would make as much or more difference as a cable riser. Just a thought.
You are overthinking this.
Pure nonsense
@@Harald_Reindl please explain your comment with facts
@@CoolJay77 maybe I am and maybe I’m not. Also explain why I’m wrong
@@philipketchum1407 it's hardly my job doing technical basic education for you - are there no public schools where you live?
I think this video from Veritasium helps shed more light on what’s going on. Derek explains misconceptions about electricity traveling down a cable and I think the principles discussed explain why lifting a cable off the floor would make a difference: czcams.com/video/oI_X2cMHNe0/video.html
I think you are a bit confused but thag might actually be part of the explanation.
It's more likely to make a difference at extreme high frequencies and yet in all my experience in TV servicing I never saw the TV reception from the antenna outlet effected by placing 75 ohm unbalanced coax cable or balanced unshielded 300 ohm ribbon cable near the floor !! Never made any difference !! Just more audio foolery designed to put doubt in peoples minds in order to get them to spend more on rubbish that doesn't benefit them !!
With the physics involved, yes, it's plausible.
Paul, for once I don't agree with you. Since a few weeks I am using Supra Ply 3.4/S. The shielding of that cable is connected on the Amplifier side to ground. This way it radiaton from the loudspeaker cable to for instance interconnects is limited. But my highly revealing Klipsch Cornwall also sound better. Airy, improved soundstage. And quiet passages are quieter.
I'd love to help you prove you can tell the difference. Maybe we have a large bet? Come on time to do a blind test.
Lifters are so passé now - suspending cables from the ceiling sounds much better. Make sure you use the finest silk threads and non-magnetic, stainless steel pins for best results.
for sure you can hear it especially when you see it, doesn't mean there's a difference
This video is about making the speakers look bigger than they really are.
Nice CGI effect 👍😎🤗
PS: I have cable lifters for my phone power cord. It makes the electricity flow cleaner.
I know this seems crazy.
I paid $1295.00 for a streamer that fits in my pocket..😳
There is certain audiophile insanity I will adopt into my system and it’s the insanity that only costs $6 at the dollar store. 6 plastic hooks with adhesive and my cables are off the ground
I use 5 cm high plastic cups. Free & good enough to get rid of all capacitance you can think of.
I have not tried to hear if I can hear any difference with or without my "plastic cups" but I've read about it and since it's "A Free Tweak" I did it and are happy.
I’m using plastic cups as well, things do sound ever so slightly different. I’ll try them for a month and remove them to see if there’s a difference. 🤫
I use Bespoke Solo Cups.
The wire gets a little electromagnetism when current flows through them, so they shouldn't lie next to each other either. It could be that the electromagnetism is reflected back into the cable if it is lying on the floor
Interesting 🧐
I used tinker toys and painted them black
Now they're just playing us for absolute fools!
😂😂😂
If you ever spent more than 10.00 for an 2meter AC cord, they GOT YOU. Cable risers? GTFOH!!!
Talk about “FLOOR NOISE”, I don’t think that’s what they meant!!!😂😂 But a bunch of idiots fell for it, to the point to the part where they lift cables off the floor with stupid shit. DO YOU ACTUALLY think or believe that the cable KNOWS it’s at a different elevation? How does it know the floor from the ceiling? Or the WALL? GTFOH
It's not that crazy if you think about it. If speaker cables aren't shielded and you run them along a large flat surface then you're going to experience differences with the cables grounding and inductive properties.
@@SimplestUsername Might as well give it up man , you can’t talk to closed minds.
When i listen you feel relax🏖️
ya, and car batteries discharged when stored on cement garage floors...... lol
This comment section proves beyond all doubt that this is a religious cult.......science has left the chat.
Absolutely hear it? Hahahahahahahahahaha
🍿 I’m going to go enjoy these comments now. 😂
Half the speaker cable is at ground level !
Cable risers have to be some of the most unconvincing of ideas.
Lifters are like face and lips after botox. everything seems to be ok but everyone can see that you have something wrong with your head.
I tried this and didn’t hear a difference.
Good, that's what the audio world is about. *personal preference.*
@@Mark-lq3sb he didn't hear the difference because there isn't one to hear, and if he did then it has nothing to do with preferences and everything to do with imagined psychological placebo effects and confirmation bias.
Anyone claiming that they can hear the difference in the same system with the speaker wires on the floor vs. suspended a few inches off the floor is a fool or mentally ill.
@@Solus793 ..and you know this to be a fact because........
i wipe my tuches with hundred dollar bills... just something about it.. makes me feel cleaner
There is a level of improvement in audio where it’s more about our brain creating it than the audio gear. When we believe something should sound better we often feel we can hear it, even it’s not real. Our brain works like this. I’ve also come to experience that I hear more details after drinking something with caffeine. Especially, I hear more details after drinking a Red Bull.
"we often feel we can hear it, even it’s not real." - which raises the question of what is "real" when it comes to human perception.
Please don't drink Red Bull.
Have you ever done a blind A B test with red bull and monster energy?
@@TheDanEdwards The human brain has great imaginary powers. People of every religion believe their particular religion is the true one and that they can talk in their prayers and inner thoughts to their particular God.
@@maxcavalera8434 LOL
P. S. Audio
Now we know what the S stands for.
Snake-oil audio
I myself have had good results with spacers from Cardas.
But you can also use too much.
You can also use MDF blocks well, it doesn't cost much either.
What are your "good results"?
I am also extremely interested to hear the details of these results, these spacers and MDF blocks must have some kind of magical properties.
@@IliyaOsnovikovwhat changed was the tonal rendering. The 3d reproduction in the sound was better. But to be honest they weren't big changes, more the dots on the I
@@Solus793the bloks that I use are not bigger than 5x2x2 cm
Can we say confirmation bias...
Why doesn’t someone that has ‘a real revealing system’ get an analyzer that ‘fits’ the cost and get a measurement. Like in real time tie strings to the cables and run them up to pulleys so they can be lifted up and lowered on the fly. I would think there are plenty of sensitive microphones that could do the job. Put the mystery to rest 🤦♂️
The aesthetic is better. That is all I will say.
I used my money to buy a stairlift instead of cable risers; now I can hear the upper frequencies.
Risers are a totally snake-oil... there is absolutely no way you can hear a difference with that. If you are use them for cleaning purposes, then it's fine...
They say you cannot take your money with you. But others certainly can.
Depends on how big your coffin is.
I suggest Alstom. This French brand builds the TGV trains which have excellent, state-of-the-art air suspension systems for high speed. This will make a difference on high-end systems as well.
Do they make cable lifters too? I'd be surprised if they did.
I make my own cable lifters. I've tried many different materials and came to the conclusion that blocks of ice yield the best results. Granted it can be a bit of a hassle in summer time, but the difference is very noticeable. Try it.
@@Frankonero12 You're right. Especially when playing the song "Icicle" by Tori Amos 😊😉🤣
Only makes a difference on one of your systems. I knew there had to be angle with this video :D LOL
I put helium in my car tires cause it makes my car lighter and I get better gas mileage.
"Give it a try" might be the best audiophile advice you can get. Unfortunately, it's difficult, especially lately, to find specific products on display locally (NAD, I'm looking at you).
Amazing the comments of those that haven't mentioned if they gave it a try. Paul said use anything to lift them up. No cost, just time on someone's part.
Paper coffee cups are perfect. Cut a little V on each side to hold the cable in place. If you like the effect build something that suits your decorating style. If not chuck them.
@@user-od9iz9cv1w exactly! So all the sarcasm posted here doesn't really make sense since cable risers aren't being promoted as something fantastic and you must buy them.
Many companies offer full refunds within 30 days or so.
Give it a try = give it a buy. $$$
Sure enough even if the return rate was high you'll hook enough suckers who convince themselves with a placebo effect from "listening with their eyes" that it'll make the grift worth it.
This is by far the biggest nonsense I've ever heard. You can only laugh at the high-end industry when they want to tell people such absolute nonsense.
Although I’m open to this idea, there must be some type of reasonable explanation for the effect. I could buy for example that carpet may have static electricity that could disrupt the signal. But how would a wood or concrete floor make a difference? They have no electrical properties that I’m aware of (correct me if I’m wrong!). I’ve heard it could be the metal nails for the flooring, but that really seems like a stretch. But concrete??? I get that shielding cables can be bad, as that has a direct electrical explanation. And how would wood blocks holding the cables up be any different from a wood floor?
A couple of youtube videos from last year about electricity and wires might provide a possible physical mechanism for cable lifters: “The Big Misconception About Electricity” and “How Electricity Actually Works”. The first one introduces the strangeness and where the common water-pipe model for electricity and wires might let you down. The second one is a followup video attempting to address the explosion of messages generated from the first video from people whose model was broken. 😝
would be interesting to vary some parameters: do eg coax or Kimber Cables react the same way as telluriums with spaced out conductors do? Kimbers should have much less interaction with magnetically lossy materials such as steel inside the concrete. would cotton braided cables be less sensitive because they might be less susceptible to any triboelectric effect against a carpeted vibrating floor?
I find it is ridiculous to use a certain misinterpreted picture of “Science” to claim there can only be exactly zero influence: there are some aspects of physics that are or were not understood for long time such as mass: why do 2 masses exert an attractive force between them? we know it exists amongst planets or a sun and planets, things and a planet (gravity) but one could argue there is no such thing as an attractive force between Peter and Paul because there is “no evidence”, tho txtbook physics says there is, textbook physics however can not at all explain the effect, it can only describe it, but without understanding the mechanism behind gravity one could claim Peter and Paul are exemptions of gravity since it is not evident and measurements are inaccurate and not executed in double blind studies.. The discovery of the Higgs Boson btw changes that to some extent, and so we see that real science is a very different thing and should never be confused with textbook physics as it aims at properly measuring suggested effects even if they are of tiny magnitude, and tries to use existing or establish new theories to describe them, and to integrate this into the “scientific building”.
So it can never be textbook physics that can prove the inexistance of a tiny effect, many properly executed measurements however might lead to some clarity.
@@SteveWille I'll check it out. Thanks @
@@pcm9969 Hopefully you can find them; I tried to post links but messages with links seem to be silently deleted. The videos are on the Veritasium youtube channel.
When is PS Audio coming out with liquid nitrogen cooled power amps?
I've never heard such a load of crap! There is no scientific or audio evidence to prove it. I'm waiting for claims that cables must go downhill to the speakers.
I use cable risers and route my cables directly in front of the doorway so anybody who enters will trip and fall. It increases the sound stage. I've been able to successfully choose my setup in a double blind test 100% of the time.
Will somebody explain the science behind the concept, as clearly my understanding of engineering must be lacking....
Consider yourself lucky you are “lacking”😀😀😀👍😎
You will sleep better with less stress in your life.😀😀
I designed and printed my cable risers. The design itself is based on the shape of the AudioNet cable lifter. In my system, the difference is obvious.
It is quite depressing to hear the boss of a maker of audio equipment promote VS like this. Presumably PS Audio employ qualified engineers, they must be cringing in embarrassment. Reading the comments it is clear Paul has his followers who hang on every word. Paul is preying on those who are profoundly ignorant of basic science. However, I am sure the majority of Audiophiles can spot non-scientific nonsense like this. This must be damaging to the company reputation.
I hang my cables from the ceiling. Eat that Audioquest!
😂😂😂😂
Still the same problem...............
It all make sens... concret floor makes the sound hard. lmao
Don't quit your day job..............
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Expensive but warmers 😂😂
Please add another 't' because but means something different than your ass.
LOL!
Do they work on balanced cables with XLR plugs between a DAC and an Active speaker? Surely it must have a huge effect considering the much lower power of these signals and higher relative interference?!! Oh wait ... NOTHING was said about the scientific/engineering effects of cable lifters here ... OK I will stop taking the p-s here.
PS? BS!
Definitely lifting speaker cables gives better imaging of sound.
I have made cable risers from pieces of oak about 8" high. My floor is concrete with oak parquet. The floor contains water tubes for underfloor heating. After raising the speaker cables (Kimber Crystal 24) I notice more extended highs, better imaging and faster transients. My system is very revealing with Exposure XI/XII/VIII and suspended KEF Reference Three Twos and Townshend Supertweeters. The Exposure is fed by a Topping D90 DAC and Primare CD32. I can definitely recommend it if your system is revealing. For bigger improvements isolate your speakers from the floor, clean up your power supply, defeat RF interference and use excellent signal cables. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
👹 are coming. Quick, Get the Budweiser out. They like it😉
Especially Bud light! 😂😂😂😂😂
The human mind can convince itself of anything.
Including the need to tell people they hear improvements that they CAN’T. 😁
THANKS AGAIN PAUL, FOR SHARING 🤗 HOPING SOME WILL TRY IT,WITH AN OPEN MIND 🤔💚💚💚
I run my 'speaker cables through a five light year long cylinder filled with anti matter and it makes a parallel universe of difference to the sound quality.
Get outta here with your cable lifters!
Great answer. Consistent with my experience.
Could I pick out the difference in an A/B test? Heck no. But several times I have listened to music and felt there was something a little off. Sure enough, the cables had fallen off the lifters. Put them back on and sound felt right again. In my case, carpet over concrete slab. A paper coffee cup is all you need.
psychology
@@TECHNICKER_CzYes, it’s all in our brain. If there was anything to this, it would be easy to prove it by a simple null test to identify the differential signal and judge if it’s audible. The engineers at PS Audio can easily do this. Let them debunk this myth.
@@TECHNICKER_Cz This is subtle enough that it could be. But the little chunks of wood will stay under my cables because real or imagined, I like the sound my brain perceives.
@@user-od9iz9cv1w what if u measured ur system with, and without risers, then u would see the difference
@@CVLova Perhaps. I am not sure what one would measure. Distortion? Wouldn't it be miniscule compared to driver distortion? I think a lot of changes we hear are so small that it gets lost in any of the typical measurements. Our hearing evolved to determine where the lion is in the cave measuring miniscule timing and phase info. Dogs can smell disease long before doctors diagnose it. There is something there that they can detect, but we fail to build a machine to match their naturally evolved senses.
Those AQ cable lifters are impossible to use on hard floor. Only to be used on carpet. Had to sell mine due to this.
Paul, are you absolutely sure those speakers aren't space ships?
They definitely make a difference in my system 🎶
I use Ebony blocks. I can’t hear it but I had them laying around. 🤔😊