What If Ferrari Just Ran The F2004 In 2020? (With Slick Tyres)
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- What if Ferrari just ran the F2004 in the 2020 F1 season? I've modified F1 2020 to work with modern cars and to have slick tyres. How will it compare to the modern cars?
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Friendly reminder that the F2004 was so good at the time that Ferrari started doubting their own equipment because they didn't expect it to be that fast
Exactlyy
Aiden millward on youtube. Thats how i found out about that lmao
@@N4ch0 wait he deleted them? Why?? No man those are some of my favourite series on CZcams.
@@N4ch0 stupid because the whole point of taking photos is to document and share events. That’s all that Aidan was doing in my opinion. Either way i hope that owner feels some remorse and that aidan can get back on track soon.
Ferrari 2020: how mighty have fallen
Ferrari: "fuck it, pull out the F2004"
And the Fuel
And the refuel hose
If regulations allowed it, they would.
In case of emergency, deploy the F2004.
They already did that in 2005
Now imagine the F2004 with DRS on Mexico's start/finish straight
What about Baku?
@@daromas would be awesome too but usually the cars go faster in Mexico due to lower air density and therefor air resistance
@@rasmushielscher9630 yes and due to the lover air resistamce the turbo cars might have an advantage in power. would be an interestimg comparisson if the f2004 or the turbo cars are faster
They didn't need DRS back then.
@@rasmushielscher9630 Are the F1 games actually including this? I know you're talking about real life, I still wanna know if the F1 games do portray that, do you know if they do? Cause I always feel going faster in Mexico than in Baku, despite Baku having a slightly longer straight.
F2004 off the line: "Bon voyage, slowpokes"
Arrivenderchi (cya in Italian)
It has traction control
@@KitKitChanIsaac Arrivederci you mean
@@KitKitChanIsaac a river dirt chee (Zak Brown Edition)
F2004 : "sayonara snail"
These late V10 cars are sooo amazing. Everyone has to love them, there's no other way around.
Unless your N environmentalist lol. But they can piss off
@@sbinnala14 you're absolutely right mate , cause i hate the engine , I love the sound but i don't want v10 anymore. it is unefficient
@@raihanchandra3572 why do you think about fuel efficiency during racing? Real stick in the mud you must be
@@drewp.weiner2473 well if it is burn much fuel it left more emmission
Greta would say otherwise
Sebastian Vettel: Bring back the f****** V12s.
Ferrari: *Gives Seb an F2004*
Seb: Close enough.
Yesssss
he wouldnt want a v12 tho, one of ferraris worst eras for reliability and performance so a v10 would be way better
@Aarya Pagalla performance yes, sound no.
Yo chill with the arsenal bird its killing me LITERALLY
@@reznov4291 but in many years of this era like 87,94,95 ferrari had got the best engine, the problem was the aereodynamic and the team, but the engine was always a beast
The rev lights didn't like that
its the game detecting the car is SF1000
Lol I didnt even notice it
When driving that car in f12020 the rpms rise so quickly in the top end that it can be difficult to judge between shifting before any of the lights light up and hitting the limiter let alone getting it to shift right as the last 1 or 2 lights come on.
I think you should remake the whole grid with their best cars from the past like Ferrari has the f2004, Renault have their r25, Williams have their fw14B, Mclaren have the MP4/4 and so on, but you gotta figure out how to make it balanced
That would be awesome
i mean what about Merc and what would be Alpha Tauri
@@arthursmith9767 if I remember correctly Toro Rosso made some pretty good cars in 2000’
@miew gaming pro 12 dayum i forgot
@miew gaming pro 12 maybe merc have their Mercedes-Mclaren Vodafone livery car so it’s more balanced towards the older cars
If you allowed ground effect tunnels, a massive low diffuser, active suspension and active skirt control with some seriously clever skirt designs plus a closed cockpit the cars could gain as much as 10 sec a lap, no questions asked because you could get double the downforce easily with no drag increase just by using optimal tunnels and wings, enclosing the wheels and cockpit and running active aero and suspension and so on. The regulations are there to stop modern cars from hitting 450kph and cornering at speeds where a puncture could very well cause a death 30% of the time
You literally started and finished your own argument.
Isn't that what the Red Bull X2014 from Gran Turismo is based on?
With unlimited money and no regulations we could make a much faster car that would be too fast to be safe on any circuit in the world - Captain Obvious 2021
@@LegendarySnipez7000 Actually, yes, yes it is.
@Jose Bernal 1400? I thought it was 2000.
We are ready for 2022 season. The masterplan is going according to plan.
"Slow button off"
@Mattia sBinotto Well this aged like fine wine
bro
Now we know what's hiding behind that chassis
He really knew
It is just incredible because of the way that the F2004 is geared it just hits 330 with no problem at all.
anyone noticing that he's still wearing short sleeves in the winter?
Yeah because it revs so high the gear ratios can be much closer , hence a much smaller drop in torque to the wheels with each subsequent gear vs todays turbo torque monsters.
It's just because they're smaller, with less downforce
@@afoxwithahat7846 Wrong , modern f1 cars and f2004 have similar power to weight ratios. The peak torque of f2004 was around a small 400Nm , that's a 100 more than my Fiesta ST , so with such a small amount of torque how will this car reach a top speed of 360km/h with aerodynamic drag? The answer is high revving to 19000rpm coupled with a transmission with small gear ratios.
@@singh2702 the answer is in my comment, less downforce means less drag, downforce is what creates a substantial amount of drag in modern F1 cars.
the FIA should actually let Ferrari do this for one race just to see what happens
how fucking cool would that be... maybe tires are better today but still, that would be amazing.
If by some miracle they did it would be an pr nightmare because the f2004 would show up todays hybrid barges and make everyone realise just exactly what we are missing.
Refueling: ....
@@kenalba5641 use 2 cars fuck it right hahaha
@Racing Crew Ferrari used Bridgestone in 2004
that turned out way different than i expected
Mattia Binotto be like: Write that down, write that down!
Mattia binotto Made the engine if im correct
There is nothing to write down, because the whole car would be illegal in today's grid, and not just the engine like last year🤫.
@@KoRnBulleT You're the smart one in the family uh?
This is so awesome with the Vettel Helmet
Seb driving his idol's car
Just imagine how fast they could make a v10 with todays technologies :0
with modern technologies like sparkplug-compression ingnition rail type direct injection and variable intake ports it would have like 1500ish bhp with efficiency of 40%
@@nothingiamjustsomekindofdu5744 fucking love it. Not even talking about better turbo chargers, better brakes, better aerodynamics, stifferr chassis, more durable suspension. Holy shit mate
@@acvn-hg9gy real car guy)))
@@nothingiamjustsomekindofdu5744 But French GP still sucks with the V10 1500hp F1 cars
What about V10 Turbo Hybrid,with slick tyres and DRS?
Yeah Santa Gillon has brought me a Christmas present. The F2004 with slicks hehe
Keep in mind that, besides the slicks and the weight, the F2004 has traction control
Do pilots in formula 1 use traction control? I turn off TCC all the time in video games.
@@ronignino fia doesn't allow it nowadays
In 2004 they had more assistance with TC and launch control for example. But the Ferrari 2004 is the most Beautiful and successful f1 car in history .
@@ronignino
in a real sim you shouldn't be turning off traction control, it's almost impossible to drive faster without it, games just simulate it as a down side when it's not, it was officially banned in racing when it was first introduced into racing decades ago for being too good
@@Messimo-Il-Predestinato actually the most successful car is the 1988 McLaren. It lost just 1 race at Monza. It won all the others and they should have won at Monza but Senna had another 1 of his braindead moments and cut Schlesser in the Williams off and they collided at the 1st chicane with just a few laps left. His recklessness cost McLaren the perfect season.
that engine sound is just satisfying
Don't forget that between 2004 and 2005 there was a substantial change in regulations(for example the front wing height) ...a V10 2004 car is faster than a 2005 V10 car(alonso in abu dabi with the r25 was 4-5 seconds slower than the mercs)...so it could be possibile that the old F2004 on slicks could be as fast as the 2020 mercedes especially with little fuel...
I thought he had a fake beard for his costume wth 😭
It looks so unnatural
Although totally irrelevant to te content, I spend the first few minutes seeing if it was a ginger beard... I was wrong.
Sorry, I'm not being a twat, but that is a chin and a half. Great content though.
I’d love to see how the Williams from the same era (the bmw powered one, I forgot the year) would do against the 2020 cars since it was worse than the F2004.
Or as a joke... the Orange Arrows from Jos Verstappen. 🤣
BMW Williams FW26 from 2004, driven by Montoya and Ralf Schumacher.
it was actually a decent car performance-wise, If i m not mistaken montoya took many poles that year, but they had serious reliability issues xD
@@MentalParadox yes, however that car isn’t in the game. I think the FW25 is in the game though, so I wonder how that would do
The BMW engine was better than Ferrari's back then, but they got fucked regularly by reliability issues.
Try to do a video with the F2004 + ERS + DRS + Slick tyres, and the modern cars with V6 replaced by a V10
Awesome video btw mate!
ers is heavier so no. The FiA is dumb, hybrid technology is worse. How can a heavier car be more fuel efficient. You either go full electric or you don't go electric at all. I swear, today's f1 cars would be a beast if they didn't have the hybrid system. It slows the cars down more than it helps them. The only reason why the FiA is using the hybrid system is as a transition phase between going full gas and full electric.
@@kaustavkapur5532 F1 won’t and can’t go electric because of F1. And yes hybrid technology is more fuel efficient, as they will be using a new fuel, and no mgu h anymore, educate yourself before hating on the fastest f1 cars
@@brikbrak9386 I love the modern era cars the best, but ers is still stupid
@@kaustavkapur5532 it's not stupid if it helps the cars get to a reasonable speed ? Would you like F1 cars that only can go at 300???
@@brikbrak9386 who the hell told you that hybrid cars are faster. The koenigsegg agera r is faster than the regera even though the power to weight ratio is significantly lower.
I think its actually pretty impressive that a heavier, safer and more fuel efficient car like the current f1 cars are able to still deliver a similar speed to such beasts of engineering like the F2004 Ferrari...
I think it’s very underwhelming that the modern, peak of engineering and most technologically advanced racing cars of today can barely keep up with a car that’s nearly two decades old.
@@salahhambli3064 I think it’s pretty amazing that the development has come so far that a v6 hybrid can lap similar to a v10 F2004….
@@salahhambli3064 it's not an engineering or technology problem, rules changed. The FIA doesn't want F1 cars to be faster, but safer and 'sustainable'.
@@Hobby_Racer yet the cars are almost two times bigger than the V10 cars, which is still pretty underwhelming.
@@salahhambli3064 Without the restrictions 'the modern peak of engineering' would result in an f1 car that would be able to corner so fast it would be ridiculously unsafe. Ignorance at its finest.
The F2004 is the best F1 car made ever, as simple as that
Man it would be cool to have all the modern safety but kept the v10 motors. These older F1 cars would be insane with modern equipment
Bring back the screaming V10s.
Bring back the _wow_ factor.
Are we going to ignore the co-incidence to "He won in Spa, He wins in Monza" ?
What about a career mode with this mod? is it possible?
Imagine a maxed out f2004 with slicks. Would love to see that
We can only pray we get the V10s back 😔
Bring back the fxcking V12s ( I know its a v10 lol )
No chance fella
There are rumors that might happen when f1 end their research and development on eco-fuels
Probably not v10s but theres a chance of a v8 hybrid and the v8s also sounded amazing
Honda v6 sounds amazing tho
That race was so intense! You have superb driving skills and your commentary is amazing! Its amazing you can do both so well at the same time!
They really didn't have much less grip with the grooves by 2004. With the tyre war between Bridgestone and Michelin the tyre technology was at a hugely peak level. Many race records were not broken until over a decade had passed to where the aero technology finally caught up with that 2004 tyre technology.
Incorrect. During slick tyre testing in 2008. Massa went 3 seconds faster in Spain than the actual pole lap that season.
Keep up the brilliant work and hope you had a good Christmas
These videos are really enjoyable to watch! Keep up the great content Alex.
And also imagine a car with today's aerodynamic, technology and tires, but with the 2004 ferraris engine.. that would be a REAL MONSTER. 💥
@@paya5911 what about a v10 with turbo and electric motor it wil have 1500-2000 hp
@@IIITonyMontanaIII yes, but will impossible to drive
it would be a heavy car, too powerful to generate any grip, without thinking that it would simply not stop
@@paya5911 900hp of then was continues but 1000hp of today is only available for some time during each lap
the v10 is not as strong as the v6 hybrid turbo sorry to break it... if you applied today's rules, that v10 would be making like 400hp with no refueling and actual limits on fuel flow
Here's an idea. Race as Hamilton, and try to put every other AI driver in a classic car (appropriately assigned, Verstappen in the RB6, Kimi in the F2007, Ocon in the R26, Norris in the MP4-25 etc.), start from last at a rather balanced circuit to see how much you can get through the field
this ''monstrosity'' still holds a lot of track records from back then
The best mod so far, absolutely brilliant, Ferrari need to do this irl, this is top 3 best F1 car of all time, the engine, the noise, the era, well played Alex, well played
Vettel (Russia 2019) - Brung the V10’s back
He scrolls through his reccomended on CZcams and sees this. He goes POG i want to do this irl
he said v12s mate
Brilliant driving mate!!!
fun fact: the f2004 still holds the lap record at Monza set by Rubens Barrichello
Didn’t Hamilton beat it in 2020?
For qualifying Barrichello had a 1m20.089 in 2004, compared to a 1m18.887 for Hamilton last year. For pure lap time, the modern cars are much quicker. Obviously the race lap times are a different story as today's cars don't have fuel stops and aren't replacing the power unit every race weekend so Barrichello's fastest race lap of 1m21.046 beats the 1m22.746 set in the race by Hamilton.
Ofcourse give the 2004 car slick tyres and ultimate lap time might be closer. But at the same time if the F2004 needed to only run 3 engines a year and increase its weight to pass more stringent modern safety tests things would be significantly different so comparing across eras remains a nearly impossible task.
@@meta7gear No one cares about realiability. And making cars more realiable can be even more costly.
The dislikes are from the FIA and the people in the V6 era
This 👆🏾
Great video love the idea of mixing old and new generation cars👏👍
This guy is so amazing at commentating wile driving! probably one of my favorite Video Game drivers rn!
You're faster at Monza because all the Tifosi inhale when the competitors pass by to take away air for the wings and engines. Then they exhale when the Ferrari's pass by to reverse the effect.
A race every F1 fan would love to see: MP4/4 vs FW14B vs MP4/12 (or 14) vs F2004 vs RB25 vs 2020 cars
Just a nice time attack race, modern soft tyres and flat out.
Damn you're so underrated more people need to see this
Raw skill and letting the G force guide you through the corner, old days best days.
Yes with slicks the F2004 would be quicker. Also in a straight it's definitely quicker due to the wide barn doors we got now, at monza the last V10s could do 372kph more than post 2017 cars.
Well Mick drove the f2004 at Mugello with a Pirelli slick tire so it might be possible to make a comparison
That was a great race. Thanks heaps.
happy holidays alex!
Damn that was amazing. Making the engines smaller but the cars bigger was such a mistake for the sport but the technology in efficiency has tremendously helped the peripheral automotive world.
These new heavy cars must make much more energy than old light cars to achieve the same result. I don’t see the point. Forcing new technologies for the sake of it.
No they haven’t.
It seems everyone is judging a computer game thats no where near being the best simulation has confirmed the lap speed of an f2004 on slicks. The 2017 cars were already quicker than groved tired 2004 cars. The f2004 cars wouldn't be 5 seconds faster on slicks on virtually all the tracks, which is what they'd need to be, to beat 2020 cars.
@@weallfollowmanutd
Not really because you would modernize the cars drastically increasing their power output/efficiency and aero?
Mick ran his dads 2004 in mugello with the slick tires and alonso his 2005 in dubai with slick
They're demo run Pirelli's though, not sure how their grip and stuff compares
Yes, and Alonso's lap time would fit in the 107%rule, so he could qualify with that car in 2020.
Not gonna lie, this is like the 15th video I've seen about the F2004 on slicks.
It just REALLY makes me wanna try it.
Nice driving skills! 🤗
Video idea: get pole against 90% ai, but you can't touch ANY kerbs
I think, the modern cars are insane quali machines. Race pace is more of a combustion engine only game tbh
This was a really good watch I love your voice
My goodness the sound of those V10s… brings back memories 👌
9:40 foreshadowing 👀
there is a reason they put limitations on the tyres back then, i think the F2004 would be quicker than modern F1 cars on slicks
fastest race lap at Monza = F2004... and Turkey with McLaren MP4-20... never beaten, not even in quali
My favourite mode in the channel yet
Epic fight with Legreg mate!
When did the 2004 became classic?
Damn, am slowly realising that I am getting old...
Pirelli, please, F2004 deserves slicks.
yo man, this video was posted in my birth day , thank you!
But you also gotta appreciate how great a v6 turbo can handle a v12 engineering definately made a huge progress
Well, just bearing in mind that a BMW inline4 1.5lt turbo could produce over 1400hp in qualifying trim and then remind me again how great the V6 turbo is? Admittedly it doesnt go BANG as often...
That's what I've always been talking about. These F1 drivers today have been restrained from their full potential. Had they been in F1 in 2004 they would've enjoyed tight competition 🤔
I'd love to see modern F1 cars running on the classic twin loop Monza.
That was awesome!
This car made me fall in love with Ferrari and F1 back in 04
i actually tried this in assetto corsa with my friend who is a similar skill to mine and i drove the rss hybrid 2020 and he drove the f2004 and there was very little difference to me and him who was a little slower than me (the f2004 needed more fuel which punished him a lot in the first half of the race (20 laps at spa))
AI don’t use ERS on the back straight leading to the bus stop chicane at spa
coming from watching 2023 alex, 2020 alexs beard is a jumpscare
you could be a pilot or broadcaster.
talent in both departments :D
F2004 will always be the best car ever produced for F1 racing in my opinion.
Can you try with the Renault RB25?
Nice wheel btw
Man he is good at commentating while driving
That beard is comedy man hahaha
Vettel in F2004: I see you at the finish line, loser
Hamilton: *cries on radio*
first time watching you and didn’t see your face cam at first, didn’t see that you had a beard and thought you chin was massive 😂
There is a reason why nearly all track records were set with this car until 2020
It took that long for a car *on slicks* to beat the F2004's record on grooved tyres.
@@v12vanquish135 the F2004 didnt even had the lap record back then...it was Kimi...
Imagine someone making a 2004 season mod 👀
The grooved tyres they had at the time would have certainly slowed them down by a few seconds a lap. Because cars were on a whole lighter, running on heavy fuel would have meant worse relative performance at the start of the race also. What I'd be curious to see is how fast we could make a car by combining the best of both worlds; V10 engine, light car, slick tyres, modern day suspension and aero.
The 2017 cars were already quicker than the 2004 cars with grooves. I struggle to believe the 2020 cars would be slower than 2004 cars on slicks.
@@weallfollowmanutd you forgot, that in 2004 was only 1 shot qualifying and they had to do it with race fuel, so 2004 quali-times could be even better with low fuel in current type of qualifying...
@@MarshallGA12 I didn't forget. That cars were still slower in Firday qualifying on low fuel compared to 2021 cars.
@@weallfollowmanutd I know, but still it was not maximum, in Q every driver had only 1 shot... so track was not going so much better like in current type of Q... and because then it was only 1 shot, drivers were not risk so much because nobody wanted started first in saturday's Q - where drivers started in order based from friday's Q ...
You still have the Santa beard a welcome surprise
It would be very interesting around a track like singapore or Australia
The F2004 was so impressive , no one's talking bout his white beard
The 2004 cars were insanely fast. That's why they slowed them down. And that's why they switched from V10 to V8 ans later V6. Honda had over 1000 HP, BMW reving up to over 20k rpm. And the cars were perfectly designed for racing.
The cars were going over 360 km/h. The record was 369 km/h I think.
2021 is gone be the best year of my liffe
The end of spa race reminded me of Senna and Prost battle's. Surprised me about the speed difference.
Use all of the teams that have a classic car and replace their 2020 cars with them
Papa gillon😂
Old but gold 🔥🔥
The v10 Renault at Abu dhabi must be your next video :-D
Is that Alex’s actual beard
I don’t think so
It’s shocking
6:31: Binotto celebrating is what you want to see
Apart from sound, what I loved about those formulas in 2004 was the lack of "push to overtake" buttons. And the races were more interesting, the cars looked faster... And the V10 sound oh my...
The beard is frightening