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- Welcome to episode 2 of The Vintage Read Show's Book Review Series The Royals By Kitty Kelley!
In this episode, we discuss Chapter One and we find out some astonishing things about Princess Margaret and her disastrous visit to the cinema to see Schindler's List!
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This video was pre-recorded prior to the very brave announcement by #Catherine, The Princess of Wales today, so I do not mention that in this video. To everyone following this book series I will release these videos as promised every Saturday night AEST however, I won’t release it via Premiere tonight. I have wished the Princess all our love via a community post on the main channel page, so you can leave your well wishes in the comments below that post! I will pass them on. Big hugs to all, Shauna xxx❤
I would love it if you would read anne glennconners book
@@blueblack3591, I agree!
Agreed!
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Sorry, those laughs went under wrong comments! Don’t know how to ‘edit’ 😢
Poor Queen Elizabeth she much have had to have the patience of a saint with all the errant family members she was surrounded by.
She did, her mother outspent the Queen by millions and HMTQ indulged her, saying ‘Mummy didn’t get to be Queen for very long. Just bring her bills to me to pay.’
That road goes both directions. Her family had to cope with her position and parts of her personality that was irritating to them. Family could never come first and that, though seemingly necessary, had to be hurtful.
It couldn’t have been easy for Margaret to be the spare and I understand her marital difficulties, but at some point shouldn’t everyone grow up?
True! I agree x
People who self medicate don't generally gain coping skills.
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That is true. People get stuck emotionally and mentally at the age they start self medicating.
@@ecm958 The recovery community rightfully attests otherwise.
Yeah. It's a weird dynamic the heirs are forces to grow up faster beyond their yrs and the spare gets stuck being a bit immature . (With the exception of David & Bertie of course). This happens in many normal families just not to the same degree.
people don’t want Meghan Markle’s autograph,it’s a polygraph they want from her 😂
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Very sharp. 😅😂😅
Brilliant
Unfortunately, MM might pass a lie detector. She lies and contradicts herself, but she always believes what she says - it's her truth.
She would break the machine with her word salad.
Meghan Markle has made a huge “to do” list but she can’t figure out who will do it!
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@derek. Oh crikey, I did get a giggle out of that. 🇦🇺🦘🐨❤️💐😂😂😂
Very hard to find people to work for free
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That's a good'un Derek. 👍
Take all your time explaining the book, don’t listen to silly people rushing you!!! I could listen to you for hours!!! And love your views on the book and how you explain the context!!! Do it your way you are amazing!!
Totally agree…just be yourself Shauna. I also could listen to you daily, on any topic.
Oh thank you!
I’ve always thought that if George VI hadn’t died when Margaret was so young she would’ve married someone more suitable. She went off the rails after he died.
Absolutely. I suspect in this way, she’s very much like her great nephew, Harry! Her long relationship with Peter Townsend (I think!) damaged her likelihood to find an decent aristocratic husband, or perhaps a wealthy foreigner, that was closer to her own age. She may have had a much more stable relationship. I also believe that it’s a tragedy that King George VI did not seek higher education opportunities for his daughters, especially for Margaret who was very bright and could have found herself with a whole new world of possibilities for herself.
They were so isolated, there’s a touching story that Elizabeth & Margaret desired to join a Girl Scout troop to do nature things and they had to settle for a few aristocratic daughters to do ‘nature walks’ on palace grounds. While the girls at least had tutors and governesses, there was no formal school and their mother had been brought up the same way which is why Charles going to formal schooling was such a big deal, being the first.
Wow! The similarities in poor behavior in all the spares over the years is quite the pattern. The disloyalty of the current spare doesn't compare.
It is just the opposite for Queen Elizabeth II's father. She stepped up to the plate when needed, after his brother abdicated for Wallis simpson. Bertie had speech impediment and did not like to speak in public but he managed to overcome that with hard work by the time of the coronation.
Harry isn't the spare anymore. Princess Charlotte is the spare now. Harry will just have to get over it.
He is the SPARE in his marriage. Markus Anderson might be the main squeeze ... Or who really knows who else. Markus Anderson was with her longer and he does not go anywhere any time soon.@@ecm958
That’s spot on
@ytcomms3945 In that case, it was swapped.
Princess Margaret has my sympathy, to an extent. She was educated at home mostly on her own and not allowed to develop any real talent or actually work at anything. There was no Prince for her to marry so all the training she had from Queen Mary was for nothing. It was too soon for a British royal lady to do anything to a professional standard (hats off to Queen Marguerite of Denmark) . She was wise enough for her children to be allowed to do better it was sad she could not develop something for herself.
Fascinating! Thank you x
I appreciate your viewpoint. I have heard Princess Margaret was a doting aunt to Charles and Anne. Her two children turned out well. She was so loyal to her sister.
Princess Margaret did great things for AIDS research. Much more than Diana did. But Diana was more famous for it.
And Queen Margrete also has a lot of trouble from her spare, Joachim.
It is a curse of some kind, mainly stemming from an unfettered ego and too much time on their hands.
Princess Margaret was an accomplished pianist and singer who often entertained her friends. 😊
I don't think that there is anything wrong with being educated at home - far better than going to a boarding school IMO! I have often heard that PM and QEII did not get much of an education, but is that true? I doubt it.
I remember my mum having a poor opinion of Margaret. When she was young she was notorious for not fulfilling engagements due to being "unwell" but always 'recovering' enough to go to a party or night club the same evening
Princess, Margaret like Harry was very spoilt and used to getting her own way. The amount of times the palace had to cover up for her and her rudeness and drunken and disorderly behaviour was well known . I personally can vouch for that as I remember it very well thank you for your videos they are thoroughly enjoyable .🌟🥂
Rather like Ginger.
Princess Catherine needs prayers.!!🙏
I never took to the Queen mother or Margaret.
Nor I. Especially the Queen Mother or Mum. Given a special name and never wanting to relinquish her relevance.
They both were bullies! You can read about both of them now that they are gone about their bad behavior
Wow, hold back how you really feel. Whilst I am not a big fan , they both were handed a raw deal. Her husband was never meant to be King so the life they were building for themselves was taken away from them. Had Edward stayed on the throne and had no heirs , the queen would not have got to throne until the 1970’s. Margaret may have had a happy marriage, the queen mother would just have been, Bertie’s widow and our queen would have had time to bring up her family. What sort of country would we have been.
Margaret was flawed, but at Xmas, she invited those that supplied her services with discretion, to a cocktail party as a thank you.
When the Queen mother died, I, with a friend, queued to pass her coffin and pay our respects. Not because I was a fan, but she served our country well and out of respect for our Queen. Look how alone the Queen became once her mother and sister passed away. Charlotte, will hopefully, be allowed to either have a career or choose a life of service to William then George as Anne did to her Mother and now Charles. Just my observations and opinions. Remember, there is no handbook just a set of standards to live up to.
@@bridiesmith5110 I am well aware of how the late Queen came to the throne. Margaret was already the party girl and some times when she was to attend openings or fetes she would cancel, because she was hung over, but was OK to go out that night and party. Alot was covered up for her. She could have married captain Peter townsend but would have lost a lot of her privileges. The queen mother liked the attention she got, bit of a gambler and left some debts. You are either drawn to someone or not, and I wasn't drawn to either of them.
@@BarbaraHardacre I don’t disagree with anything you said except about the queen mothers debts. They were an inheritance tax write off. No tax to pay on debts.
I have such admiration for Queen Elizabeth..her life was full of other people and family members who just caused mischief and heartache for her, drama everywhere but she soldiered on, steadfast, always kind, loyal to her country..the list goes on...and she lived that way till she drew her last breath! Remarkable woman...her legacy won't soon be repeated, if ever. RIP, Your Majesty, you were the embodiment of majesty.
I don’t see Princess Margaret’s reaction to Schindler’s List in quite the same way. She was a young girl during WWII (9-14) and as such we really don’t know how such a young child might react to war including the bombings which also came close to the palace. I have no doubt there was trauma for her and perhaps her reaction to the film was more about reliving childhood feelings and fears than an actual commentary about the film. ❤️from Australia 🇦🇺.
I agree with you; I've walked out of several films NOT because of any antipathy to the victims portrayed, but because it is so deeply painful to see man's inhumanity to man. My father served in WWII and perhaps that affected me; I find it very difficult to process the extreme cruelty, even if it's "remote" from me.
We also don't know how much she was exposed to when the first reports of what was actually happening were coming in. Or how personally she took the Anne Frank connection.
@@Randomequestrian-pm4hl I agree with you 100%, but I also hope that many people will see Schindler's List and appreciate it for its genuine portrayal of the heroes, the villains and the vulnerable Jewish people who lived and died during WWII. I personally believe it to be a masterpiece that will teach us the history of that time for many years to come. We owe it to those who perished, as well as those who were saved by Schindler's list, to share this important story and to always remember.
@@lisalivingston6473Indeed - we must never forget. In truth, I admit that I'm a coward when it comes to watching films in this genre. Even where they include heroic deeds, I struggle to face the brutality.
@@Randomequestrian-pm4hlI can relate to that. I sometimes purposely wait to stream movies on the little screen where I have the ability to pause if it gets too intense to watch.
Shauna- I so appreciate any video you post. Your wit, personality and charm is a breath of fresh air.
Thank you.
❤ I can remember so many reports in the press at the time, about the Royals and their antics and I think the press were just as mocking with Royals then as they are now. She was a real party girl just like Harry 😊. Thank you, I could listen to you all day, I just enjoy your channel so much, it is always so informative and entertaining ❤
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Hope you are well. You have tried so hard to battle the tidal wave of negative naritives about the princess. This news must be very hard. Your heart is so involved in your work. You have kept me sane. Thank you
That’s really kind of you, thank you ❤
@@thevintageread Congratulations for not crying. I would have been such a boob.
we need to do something to show her we love her so i thought we could all post and display hearts of hope ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Please visit the community page on the main Channel Page and post them there under the post I created. I will pass them on for you 😊💗🤗 Shauna xxx
We stand with Catherine, Princess of Wales ❤️
Since watching your book reviews and knowing what is going on with Catherine now; it is no wonder William does not want servants in his house.
When she describes the 'old school servant', I think none of us fully trusts or blindly believe in the innocence of any writer
I was a bit surprised at the first chapter, and Princess Margret’s reaction. She was incredibly loyal to her sister but I fear Queen Elizabeth had to overlook much when it came to her beloved sister, but they remained so close. The only time I ever saw Queen Elizabeth II cry was when Princess Margret passed away.
And the decommissioning of the Royal yacht Britannia.
Probably one of the few relationships the Queen had where both parties spoke ‘freely’.
@@user-nw3xc2tk6y good point. Princess Margret was loyal to her sister who was loyal to her.
Princess Margaret was an intensely unhappy person with an empty, unfulfilling life, which was cut short by her diligent use of self-harming substances.
I am so glad to have this to watch/listen to because it is a great relief from all the drama and sadness about the beautiful Princess of Wales. Thank you, Shauna.
Princess Margaret facinated me growing up, she was blousy, loud and loved the celebrity lifestyle, however, she loved her mother and sister and enjoyed the Royal titles. I enjoyed all the scandal with her boozy parties, young lovers and celebrity friendships, the New Idea and Women's Day loved reporting on her too.
One knows about the World Wars (in fact my parents were young children in Western Europe during the war) and the horrors of the Holocaust and they seem like distant history to my generation, and then there are the Royal Families seemingly in a separate category and this book seems to bring home how much those histories are really entertwined. Thank you for reviewing it.
I heard a story that Margaret was rude to her maternal grandmother because she was not a royal. Then I listened to her in Desert Island Discs telling the host that her children are not royal but have a queen for an aunt!
Love the new bookcases BTW. We have the same ones, I think. They are well over 20 years old and have held up very well. They’re still perfect, actually, which I attribute to the preservative powers of dust.
😂 I should be fine then 😅
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Good morning, Shauna, very interesting book, have a wonderful day!🥰🇺🇸
Thank you! You too!
That is correct Shauna, Britain did not want to go to war……They went in as they had no other option….
Yet they have always been snarky about the USA staying out of it for "so long". We had already been drawn into another world war of European making, despite our founder, Washington, who warned of getting entangled with European wars. We had been sickened by the way it ended with the crippling reparations and we wanted nothing to do with this new predictable rise of Germany. My German great-grandfather immigrated to the US in 1882. He wrote a brief autobiography of his life before and his early years in the US for his children. It was written in 1933 and he warned of being drawn into another war, and how politicians pump the people up for war. He was watching what was going on and how Hitler was cranking up.
@textrue9088 That is fascinating. Is it published anywhere?
@@fibanocci314 No, but I made many copies for extended family members. It is very interesting because he was a dragoon during the Franco-Prussian War, and described Bismarck in all his plums and grandness as he paraded around in Paris. He observed that Prince Wilhelm wore a plain uniform and took the time to thank his men and take note of their worn-out boots promising new ones. Bismarck just rode past with not so much as a look at the men who had fought.
@textrue9088 Perhaps you could see if a local or pertinent historical society would be interested? Such a rich account shouldn't be lost.
@@fibanocci314 I did show it to a history professor of mine and he asked if he could copy it and add it to the original source files. He was impressed with Herman's English writing skills (self-taught)and the fact that he pushed advanced education for his children. Come to think of it, they lived in Chadron, Nebraska and there may be a historical society there. He went on to be their tax assessor and collector for decades, using the bookkeeping skills he used in Germany. I will check on that. Thanks for the encouragement.
Poor King George VI must have felt the strains of the war, but he was a heavy smoker and that shortened his life.
Everyone back in those days smoked.
He suffered from anxiety all his life.
Loyal she may have been but what an embarrassment!
Personally, I don't know what the problem is with being the Spare ie second in line. They are still exceptionally priviledged people with great wealth.
I will always remember my initial experience of seeing Schindler's List in a movie theater on a rainy Saturday afternoon. I was emotionally exhausted at the end of the film and actually had to go home, skip dinner and collapse into bed for a long sleep. I think the movie affected me so much because of the fine acting, but also the effective use of black and white filming. I actually felt like I had lived through that horrible experience along with the characters in the film, and Schindler's List has resonated with me ever since. The brutality and cruelty of the German soldiers, particularly Ralph Fiennes' character, will forever haunt my dreams. Ben Kingsley's character was strong and steadfast, and his gentle manner in consoling a distraught Oscar Schindler was palpable. Liam Neeson's performance as Schindler broke my heart as he comes to the realization at the end of the war of just how many more Jews he could have saved by simply cashing in his wristwatch and other valuable possessions. I will not make any excuses for Princess Margaret's alleged bad behavior that Kitty Kelley describes in her book, but it does make me wonder if she was simply reacting to the way in which the film made her feel. It may have scared her to think that a single film could actually tap into her emotions that way. It certainly is a powerful film that everyone should see at least once in their lives.
I too came away drained after Schindler’s List. A decade later I was in Israel. I was on a tour which took in the Holocaust Memorial. I couldn’t complete the visit. The Jewish guide followed me to the bus and challenged me. I had to explain that emotionally I couldn’t cope and felt physically sick. I was and am pro Israel. I also, like many English descended people, have German in my heritage. An Australian
If not for your brilliant story telling, I wouldn’t have found either books fascinating.
Princess Margaret was quite the complex woman. Only horrible things are said.
Look forward to your next commentary ❤❤
Kitty Kelley should be renamed Catty Kelley! I’m not a fan of Princess Margaret but quite liked Roddy Llewelyn- had lunch with him many moons ago and he was delightful and a real gentleman. 🇬🇧
Her life was one long party! Save your pity, she fully enjoyed herself.
Margaret was a loving sister and unlike h became the third wheel look at video of Elizabeth and Margaret before The Late Queen married the evidence is there but in my opinion Margaret thought no fault of hers or the Queen's they had grown-up in different era and then separate when the Late Queen married now h on the other hand when Prince William and Princess Catherine married still remained close until the maggot came
Yes I agree with yor opinion on Chamberlain vs Churchill, many Villages during the WWI sent all their young men off to war and for many Villages none of them returned .
Margaret seems like she may have been fun in small doses but completely exhausting and embarrassing a lot of the time. At least she seems to have had common sense and the self awareness to know her personal limitations and accept where, what and who buttered her bread. Attributes her great nephew obviously does not possess. Enjoyed the first chapter review and look forward to the next!
Sounds like Princess Margaret would have got along well with Seinfeld. I'd take anything written by Kitty Kelley with a large tablespoon of salt. Her own publisher accused her of making things up.
I had forgotten how vitriolic Kitty Kelly was about PM , don’t know why you are worried about saying what’s in it Shauna , you didn’t write the book. You are reviewing it. Although I’ve read just about every royal book there is, Kittys really wasn’t a personal favourite, it felt very much like she had an agenda. What do you think?
From what I've read and saw (not as much as you though) I got the impression P.Margarèt was a complete snob and an extravagant spender, possibly one instigation for the slimming down of the monarchy ( not to mention what mustve been saved sjnce getting rid of 'air miles Andy' and of course the Markle wardrobe). Good company perhaps with those of a similar class though.
I cannot wait to listen to your personal opinion on this chapter, you do such marvelous work! With this chapter, my initial and surface takeaway has been the documentation of all the "hidden" truths locked away in Windsor Castle and the private vs the public persona of so many within The Firm. Clearly Princess Margret suffered from what we now know as PTSD regardless of her privileged position during the war. Germanic shame is real, i once met a lady on the beach in the Bahamas who being German in Germany during the war as a young teen cry and apologize about not knowing anything about the Holocaust going on in her country. How sad to feel you must wear the legacy of wrongdoing of others and is carried over today with outcries of reparations for gain from the suffering of forefathers and not your own... (BTW I'm of Jewish heritage). I have compassion for the feelings and trauma of Princess Margaret, a tragic time in history for sure! Cheers, and see you tomorrow!
Love your shows from across the ditch. Re Princess Catherine-aroha (love) and for the rest Kia Kaha (Stay Strong).
Initially I thought I know what P Margaret mean about not being able to take any more about the war, I can’t bare to watch, I know what happened I can’t bare to think about those poor people and their horrific experiences I don’t need to see it all again. But when you said what she’d said to the butler the next morning I realised she wasnt avoiding it out of empathy I changed my mind 😮
I’m thoroughly enjoying your coverage of this book which I read back when it was released . I remember laughing about the butler’s comment regarding Margaret being royalty. 😂
I’ve gotta get this book. Entertaining listening to you justify , even stumble a wee bit with , your delivery on someone else’s writings.
Absolutely fascinating.
OMG, this went by way to quickly. I was just getting warmed up here when suddenly we're finished. I wish you'd consider longer segments since we love your reviews and this book is enormous. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE YOU SHAUNA. Your wit and charm have captured us all. ❤
Princess Margaret was let’s just say Princess Margaret but no matter what she was loyal to her sister. We can’t say the same about Harry.
Exactly!!!!!! Harry broke William’s heart and that can never be repaired. William will have no sibling that supports him no matter what. Thankfully he has the Princess of Wales’ family and to a lesser degree his relationship with his father but all signs are they are growing closer.
William should have treated his brother better.
My husband and I were caretakers for a couple in upstate New York. They had a beautiful estate, a horses everything one day they had company, and my husband and I went up to their house, which, by the way was haunted and said hello to the owners, and we sat down for a glass of wine, and here is this humble man, snooty wife, and two bratty older teenagers, well to come to find out this was Mr. Horowitz the youngest survivor of the holocaust, the one if you remember in the movie that hid The outhouse toilet he was a pleasant man very quiet. His wife is the one that told us who it was his two older sons, I kid you not when I call them brats was it was a interesting combination type of family. You can see Mr. Horowitz at the end of the film. He is placing a stone on one of the gravesite tomb, stone of Schindler.
Hi Shauna interesting read also I thought your tweet aimed at Shouty Shola spot on 👌
My Princess Margaret story - My mother adored Princess Margret and Diana, she was drawn to their unhappy stories. One day she was one of the staff choosen to be presented, so she worked extra hard on her uniform to look her best. Princess Margret noticed her, and complimented her appearence, at which my mother saluted her and said "washed and ironed it myself ma'm."
That little kindness my mother remembered for years, and my mother was a working class black woman. I'm not sure Margaret was racist. She spent a lot of time in Jamaica and was rumoured to have very young black gigolo's. Antisemitic maybe. But remember there are pictures of her and the Queen doing Nazi salutes. Even Churchill had weird idea's about India, and contraception was first created to reduce the working class population. Many people were at first sympathetic to such ideas that were based Darwin. Then Hitler started his horrible march acrotss Europe and the terrible reality of where these thoughts could lead. Times were different then.
another age!
Thank you for your lovely story. It's good to have balance when considering a person's character.
@@pollyparrot9447 Thank you for your kind words. Mum has gone now but she would be over the moon to know you heard her little story, that she only told over a thousand times or more. 😆
I know two things - absolute fact - about Princess Margaret. When King George V1 died, my older brother had joined the Royal Navy (submarines; very scary, different story.) He was very devil may care, never took anything seriously. He was on guard outside Westminster Abbey. When the royal family were leaving, the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret were getting into the carriage by him. He was astounded by PM. He returned home completely dazzled by her. He said she had the most beautiful complexion he had ever seen on a woman, it was so glowing and flawless. Never seen my brother that impressed before! Many decades later, I had a friend who moved in certain circles, who had an aunt with a country estate, who was in the group of friends, close to the Princess. They all absolutely dreaded getting a phone call . with little or no notice, announcing that she would grace them with her presence for the weekend. She was the guest from hell; to say she was very demanding would probably be a gross understatement. Also, she would drink and smoke, play the piano, sing and dance unflaggingly, until daylight. Everyone else would be worn out, desperate to go to bed; but it was NOT permissible for anyone to retire before the Princess.
Didn't think I would like a Kitty Kelley book but I'm being drawn in.
Will be waiting for the next chapter.
So glad Fiona Hesketh at Avid Gardener recommended your channel all those months ago.
Hope your algorithm goes up. Looking forward to your YT Plaque for 100K subs for your Christmas present! Nighty night, Shauna.🤩
"Margo" Princess Margaret was ONLY so desperatly loyal to her sister; the Queen because it served HER to be "the sister" of the most admired and respected" woman in the world. To hold everyone around her to such high standards with reguard to her sister would mean those same people would need to treat her in the same manner.
Princess Margaret had her faults, but don’t we all. I actually like the fact that she was grand. She was the daughter of a king and the sister of the queen. She was well aware of her station in life and the limitations and lack of freedom that came with that. She could also be a kind and raised two beautiful, well-adjusted children. And honestly, her dedication to the queen was unfaltering, and that deserves respect as well.
Margaret was reputed to be an appalling snob.Also,she was given the choice to marry Peter Townsend but give up her position on the civil list.She chose her perk filled lifestyle on the civil list. She liked her, not so little , luxuries
Exactly. She liked being sister to the Queen. She didn’t want to have children too who were not in the line of succession, etc. When she was good, she was very, very good, but when she was bad, she was awful.
Well I never knew that, thanks x
Ill watch this maybe tomorrow. Am still processing. I tries to watch this video but couldnt concentrate. Kept getting sad and distracted. 😢😢😢
I can remember in the 1970s when then Prince Charles came to Australia and appeared on TV on a show called Countdown. Can anybody remember Charles' reaction when the host asked, "How's your mum?"
Yo, Shauna (Its a Philly thing, sorry😁)
Hiya Shauna and thanks for Chapter 1. Margo was quite a character, no one could argue differently.
I’m a bit confused over something. There is still an aristocratic class in the UK, yeah? In everyone of those families, with more than 1 child, there’s an Heir & a Spare, isn’t there? So, there were plenty of them
in William & Harry’s classes, who were one or the other. I’m trying to understand why H says, he hated his life in the UK because he was the Spare? He stopped being a Spare with the birth of George. I can’t, for the life of me, remember if the British Press was constantly on H as the Spare?? One would think, and rightly so, that H should have reconciled his place in the family. One would also think his classmates, 2nd born, would have helped H, understand the “lay of the land.”
Unless across the breath & depth of the country, there are battles between the oldest & a younger brother going on now.
Actually, I have even less interest in H&MM today than I had up to Catherine’s statement yesterday. I wish, they would become so irrelevant that a hundred parking lot paps, would be ignored. They do not have anything I’m interested in. They’ve been given way too much attention. That would go a long way in silencing the sugars, don’t you think?
Thanks for your patience today..I’ve been hit with wicked, seasonal allergies & a head cold & the medicine might be clouding my ability to think straight. YAY! Finally, an excuse other than old age!😁Thanks for what you do Shauna. It’s truly appreciated! 💙💙
Hi Shauna, When Kitty Kelly reported what the butlers said re Princess Margaret's opinion, he was being heavily ironic. I don't think Americans "do" irony, she obviously missed the point... 😼
That's an interesting point! and quite possibly bang on! He knew what went on there....
Shauna, hinesight is always 20/20: yes many people were desperate to avoid abother war.
Magaret married a Jew. Tony's mother was Jewish.
Nope! His maternal grandmother (Maud Frances Sambourne) was not Jewish. Therefore her daughter Anne Messel (Anthony's mother) was not Jewish. Anthony was not Jewish.
I enjoy your shows. They are so informative and at times absolutely hilarious ❤😂
Thank you so much!
I think that our late Queen must of had the patience of a saint, with a mother who had wild spending habits and a sister who lived a celebrity lifestyle with à title. I did not like Margaret or the Queen mother, both snobs and reminded people they were of a lower class.
Really enjoy your videos and sense of humor, thanks for reading through all of this so that I do not have to.
Hi Shauna. I love your new dark bookcases. Can’t wait to get into the next chapter. So interesting.
I think Queen Mum, Elizabeth and Margaret all were from that old era. I think Elizabeth adapted because she at a younger age married a stable, solid man and started a family- then boom she is Queen. Margaret is left to fend for herself because her sister was running a country and constantly touring. Then you had the 60s and the start of the sexual revolution and she seemed to prefer to hang out with the celebrity set which I’m sure didn’t have her best interest at heart. And I think the cherry on top was when she wasn’t allowed to marry, Peter Townsend because he was divorced. And look at what the members of the royal family are allowed to marry now … a certain mattress actress comes to mind.
Not surprised by the the butlers reverence for and attitude about Royalty at all. Even given the year. The BRF would’ve traveled far and wide to find someone who could both tolerate Margaret’s overbearing countenance and feel they were doing their duty by their country. And not spill the beans, of course.
But, of course, it DID end up in the book. Guess that tells us even more about the woman. 😅
(She had admirable qualities, too. )
Nice new bookcases.
Shauna thank you for your voice of reason without being nasty you have pointed out many facts of why we are here today regarding a certain couple !
Your book reviews never disappoint!😊
Disclosure: Upon learning of her invasion of Margaret's private apt. - and publishing her judgmental appraisal of it - I consider Kelley to be deceitful, undignified, catty, snobbish, not someone I'd want to meet. I'm seldom so blunt re first impressions. This time it seems I am. 🧐
Maybe most of royals are pretty entitled, just some with more brains manage to keep it to themselves 😊
Yup; and pay for better PR
PM was incredibly intelligent for her limited schooling which intensified her keen wit and spiked tongue, and also, extremely talented as a musician.
Also the queen mother would have preferred Chamberlin to Churchill because Chamberlain insisted that Edward couldnt marry Wallis AND be king. Chamberlain knew all the dirt on Wallis,and like the king and queen,wanted her well out of the way
Wasn't Princess Margaret, ordered back from Mostique, in 1963 when Great Britain was in the middle of one of the worse winters, since the second world war?
Really appreciate your broadcasts Shauna. Keep them coming.
I think the reverence and also the irreverence today is quite out of control . From cultish devotion to malicious loathing 😵💫🧐
'Royalty is above reproach! Never to be questioned!'
That's the ONE lure that makes me want to be Royalty 😆😆
Good morning, have a wonderful day.
I think the Queens father was I think a decent spare
Very good observation
Thank you for prominently featuring the episode numbers on the thumb-nail of the post !!!! Very helpful.
Your defections are very well done and interesting.......BRAVA and thank you
Absolutely love these book readings about the Royals. Such a treat. 🥰
When this book was first published I had no interest in Kitty Kelley but here I am all these years later looking at a Swedish version of this book I found on the bookshelf! There must have been a reason I hesitated to donate it to the library ! Now I shall use it as language practice . Thank you Shauna 😊
Perfect!
I am sharing your series with a friend of mine in Washington, D.C. who is a family friend of Kitty Kelley’s. Can’t wait to hear her take on this fascinating discussion.
I love that you offer "excuses" or "explanations" for why a person might have done what they did. it reminds us that we are all flawed, we all make mistakes. its just so fair, and looks at the bigger picture.
My mom read Kitty Kelley books on vacation. They were kinda juicy, but not too crazy. Kitty was big on all the shows, Dina Shore, Merv, Phil. I think Margaret had a lot of unflattering stories in Kittys book, because she talked a lot, when she drank. Glug glug.
Mean drunks are the worst.
I have always said I wouldn't want to be a Royal and I think they have the hardest job, its not all palaces, money and nice clothes they don't own the palaces they have no privacy, they are watched 24/7 and live in what would seem like a prison
Every day of the year is mapped out and timed to the minute
I feel happier doing what I want when I want, eating out of a pizza box, or watching TV in my pj's, having a spontaneous moment and going to the pub or theatre perhaps getting food on the way home before going to bed.
The Royal Family can't do any of these things there life is planned out from day 1, with protocol as top priority so I respect them and look upto them because I know I couldn't do there job
I disagree Shauna. Schindler's list was very uplifting given the context: how one man, while deeply flawed, became a better man and saved lives. Gives us hope for everyone.
During WWII in America people distanced themselves from their German heritage and a lot was lost in traditions. I can see Princess Margaret stating that. She was a child who grew up during the war and everyone was probably talking about the jews.
What I can't get my head around is why people keep saying that the British Monarchy is German. They are not German they were BORN in England which makes them English. They bring up the fact that Diana is English but Everyone came from somewhere How many generations will it take to be known as English. I for one am full 3rd generation American. I have German, Danish , Irish,, English and French ancestry.
Downloaded the book and have read 4 chapters and oh my goodness - good read so am waiting for your take
I agree completely about the backing of Chamberlain instead of Churchill being about wanting to avoid war if possible. This sort of spin on things is always a risk when the past is seen through a modern filter without the depth of historical context.
I never cared much for Princess Margaret either. It seems funny to me that with David and "Bertie" the Universe made a huge mistake with birth order and it had to be corrected in a very dramatic way with Edward III's abdication. After that the Universe has been much better at getting the birth order correct with Elizabeth being first before Margaret, Charles before Andrew and William before Harry!
'Royalty is royalty and above reproach' is very much the deferential world that Margaret was born into and brought up in. So although she was undoubtedly awful by today's standards, like much literature of the same era, she should be evaluated within the standards of her own lifetime, as she had no opportunity to know better.
Hi Shauna!! This book is so interesting! I had no idea how Princess Margaret behaved as I am American. I cannot wait for the next chapter!! Love you❣️❣️❣️
Sometimes you just need to hear a friendly voice and a lil snark.
I’ve also never been a fan of Princess Margaret. But, our late Queen Elizabeth II loved her, so she couldn’t have been all bad. Right?😊
Interesting. Kitty made quite a splash in Chicago when researching her book on Oprah. She was relentless with some people when they chose not to talk. Some material she did quote left out significant parts of what was said,choosing the juiciest part of the quote.
Reading the Oprah book now. It explains so much about her lack of in-depth questioning of the Sussex “truth” in the interview. She and Meagan have the same attitudes about “the truth” and “their truth”. 😂
Kitty Kelley is basically a gossip book author, that’s it. She has chosen to use whatever parts of stories to get the narrative which she’s interested in promoting. She said some really hurtful things about political figures (and their spouses) whom she didn’t favor, such as Nancy Reagan.
@@sandrathierer4539 , both appear to be women who will never have "enough" although I do have friends who worked for Oprah on her Chicago show and they each praised her as an employer (Meggsie, not so much)
Much like Harry, Princess Margaret could never find her place in the RF, which was her undoing. Unlike Harry, she was devoted to Queen Elizabeth and loved her sister very much and that love was reciprocated. I also wish the second born, wasn't referred to as the 'spare'. I am sure Prince William and Princess Catherine have made it very clear to Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis, they are not 'spares', but ar as loved by their parents as Prince George, who just happened to be born first.
Schindler‘s list was a hard watch. I’m glad I waited for it to be released on DVD. I wonder if Princess Margaret knew about the picture that Frank kept in the attic?
I don't think you could ever call Princess Margaret "The Spare" as Charles and Anne had already been born when Queen Elizabeth II was crowned
But until they were adults, Princess Margaret still would have been “the spare”, most likely a regent of Charles until he was mature enough to lead.
@@ErinAbou no. Prince Philip would have been appointed regent. PM was never the spare.