How My Crisis Can Help You Find Meaning In Your Life | Ravi Zacharias | SPIRITUALITY | Rubin Report
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- Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report talks to Ravi Zacharias (Founder & President of RZIM) the author of “The Logic of God” about how a major crisis in his own life led him to find meaning and a sense of purpose. He discusses the period of suffering that helped him find his faith. He also discusses why he agrees with Jordan Peterson’s conclusions, but disagrees with his foundations, the struggle between egalitarianism and elitism and the four major questions of life that we all face. He also shares his thoughts on if someone can have a sense of morality and live a life filled with purpose and meaning without a belief in God or having faith in a religion.
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A gay atheist. An evangelical Christian. A civil, productive, healthy conversation. THIS is real diversity.
Craig Odem at Calvary Chapel Rubin basically said that he was a deist from my understanding.
Ken Wilber would call it Integral.
Epitome of diversity.
I wish leavers and remainders in the UK could be like this
There's so much online back stabbing going on! It's so ugly
is Dave an atheist? for some reason i thought he was agnostic
Ex-muslim here and a follower of Christ now 🙏🏼✝️
amen, bless you!
Why give up one wacky deranged religion just to join another?
Welcome, my Love. One day we will bow face to face to our Savior.
Why? Christianity and Islam have a whole lot in common and both are Abrahamic religions
@jemielnic A. No it isn't. B. I didn't say that they were.
Who else just came back to this interview because Ravi just passed away?
So sad. Loved listening to this guy!
Yes. I did today😞
Doing so now. Ravi inspired me to rethink my previously held presuppositions and I'm better for it.
I just found out by your comment. I had listened to him a few years back but had stoped because of depression. This is sad and good news at the same time. This guy has helped humanity more that what we know.
Me too 👊🏼
His journey
It’s a shame we will not have that dialogue with Ravi and Jordan now. RIP Ravi.
Pray that not RIP Peterson too. He's between life and death, i can feel it, and actually his daughter confirmed it that he actually had suicidal thoughts.
May God bless him and, make him at peace with Him.
@@pianosenzanima1 no way??? is he ok??
@@timkruse9912 who knows...hes been offline from youtube for more than 6 months i think
Also offline from everywhere...no public appeareance etc
I looked forward to this too.
Jordan Peterson, Ravi Zacharias, and Dave Rubin all together! Let's upvote this!
Thumbs up if you're ready to see this conversation.
Ok, but why? You already know what each one of them would say in such conversation.
Absolutely!
@@AlexandraAndStuff
I don't know what JP's response would be to the idea that the foundation to his philosophy is full of holes.
It is something that I would like to see explored.
I'd like to see this conversation also. May I add my two cents by saying I'd like to see Stefan Molyneux in that conversation as well - another great mind from Toronto. He calls himself an atheist but I've notice his heart softening towards Christianity in recent years.
A carefully selected Koch panel patting themselves on the back, basically CNN of the right.
“God doesn’t just change what we do. He changes what we want to do.”
Right. An important insight. He is interpreting Paul here.
Lance G I needed this
@Jesus Christ
Martin Luther explored that very question in his work "The bondage of the will"
Bottom line is that our wills aren't really free in a libertarian sense.
The are bound by our nature and desires.
@Jesus Christ A Catholic once explained it to me most consistently: Heaven/Hell is at God's discretion , _independent_ of anything anyone does or doesn't do. He believes that those who _believe_ in Christ will _all_ be granted Heaven, because that is what Jesus _promised_ . For the rest, it's a toss up. He didn't believe in Hell though. He claimed there is no eternal punishment, just lack of any further existence after death.
When I asked him what then is the motivation for acting morally, for those who believe in Christ and are going to be granted eternal life, he retorted "Would you want to act immorally, if you knew you had to live forever with the _knowledge_ of it being immoral? _I_ wouldn't".
Very consistent, if not convincing.
About, free will, his claim was that we do have it, but not all the time. On occasion, God can and will override our free will and push us in a different direction.
The most logically consistent Christians that I met are those who are _not_ actively proselytising it.
This Catholic I mentioned, did try to convert me, but admitted it is a matter of faith and not logic that anyone should believe in the doctrine. When he didn't see me tempted by a promise of eternal life in exchange for a belief, he didn't try again.
@Jesus Christ Hell is a choice you make and so is Heaven a choice you make. If you don't want God in this life why would God violate your choice in the next life? Heaven is God's Home and Hell is not. Hell is simply the opposite of Heaven. Jesus taught throughout the Gospels that to know the owner of the House is the guaranteed way into the House. Jesus left the House to tell us about it and claims to be the Son who co-owns the house with God the Father. Forgive me for a long answer but I like simplicity and I find it illuminating. I hope it helps.
Anyone else watching due to the sad news of Ravi’s passing?
Rest In Peace Ravi. We thank God for your work you did for the Kingdom.
No..... I discovered him because he died.
He will surely be missed. This man had an enormous impact on my life.
@@bipolatelly9806 Well it's a good thing you did because if you start to listen to him he will definitely challenge your thoughts. His work is so profoundly brilliant. He will provoke your mind to think thoughts that you would never have thought of even if you met with the geniuses of the past. Even the most intellectually inclined will be challenged.
Listen to him for a long time, brilliant man, going to really miss him. Thanks to technology I can keep listening & "Keep thinking" he is a blessing.🙏🏽
There is no sadness when someone like Ravi is finished with this work and is called home. The sadness is for the ones who didn't find salvation & redemption before their time ended. That is heartbreaking...
"Good is naturally attractive, whereas evil is naturally seductive". Im carrying these words to my grave.
Tragically so true! Immediately makes me think of the entertainment industry... and how different we want our actual homes and communities and relationships to be. Consider America at the moment. We should all be weeping...
👍👍👍 that struck me too
Exactly
Me too..
"Anybody who attacks you personally, is telling you they can't deal with your argument, so they're dealing with you"
Nicholas... Well said!
@@kakel536 Ravi Zacharias said this phrase in the interview, isn't it great! Very applicable today especially in our highly volatile society, politically, socially and morally! Rest his soul, he passed this year. In short, I agree with you! :)
It is common-sense that tells you that...
but we've lost it, the common-sense.
He who throws the first ad hominem, loses the argument. Walk away at that moment, whether it was you or the other guy. One of you has lost.
@@FelonyVideos yeah and dont react to the ad hominem
My biggest problem with this interview is that it is 3 hours too short.
I’m compelled to agree
I love that! So true!
👍
What’s amazing about Ravi is he’s lived a lifetime debating his ideas, yet every conversation he has love and care in his heart for everyone he speaks too.
Bravo!
That is why you didn't see him debate, no that he was afraid or was incapable, but because debating is about winning an argument for yourself and he was about winning someone for Christ.
RIP, the man who brought so many to Christ will be resting well.
What a misogynistic asshole. Good riddance and fuck him and his moronic ideas.
RIP Ravi. God bless you Ken King, may you find peace.
Julian D
I have without this bullshit religion. Thank you.
Good riddance to that misogynistic ass.
@@sidepot you seem many things, but peaceful certainly isn't one of them. I'm trying to work out if you are perhaps a transgender, as for a man to call another man a misogynist, when myself, 100% woman, think he was a gift from God, and a real man, is very strange. God bless you and may He remove the unhappiness and anger, which fills your heart.
@@taurusgirl2238 You don't know anything and I really don't care what you think. You make typical radical predictions as if there has to be something wrong with an individual to criticize another. Just another dumb brainwashed moron. You don't know what fills my heart nor the peace and joy that are within it. Please go and continue to live in blind ignorance.
When Ravi squints an eye and raises his eyebrows you know he's about to say something good
Caleb Brinyark 😂😂😂
Something really crucial
Hahaha! I see what you mean there!
This is so true...😍
lol oh man. great observation.
I don't know how he is doing it, but more and more as he ages he is looking more like his earthly hero, Billy Graham❤
I deeply appreciate that Dave is willing to interview christians and even more deeply appreciative of the honor and respect these Christians extend to Dave.
Ravi is not a hateful pharisee, he's a Christian. I fear that because of pharisees, the educational system, people like Richard Dawkins, and leftist politicians many have been brainwashed into believing Christians hate, we don't.
A lot of us are more than willing to talk to people of different faiths, cultures and even those who don't profess any.
Dave is a sincere individual in my opinion, and I would always be glad to befriend such people like him.
I feel the same way. I have so much respect for the Rubin Report!
Did I miss something in the past 50 or 60 years? What have 'these Christians' done for one to think they are incapable of 'respecting' others?
Where did you grow up that this type of conversation between two adults is NOT commonplace? I've NEVER experienced anything but civility in my lifetime, I don't know where all this bitterness and anger toward others is normal
11:11 “.. we often think that Jesus Christ came to this world to make bad people good - that’s wrong! ...He came to the world to make dead people live.” 🤯 🤯
Yes! Love this!
True that. That's why He died so that we can have the opportunity to die with Him and resurrect with Him to have eternal life. By receiving Him, we receive eternal life.
Amen!!
Amen !!
I use that often.
My favorite quotes from this conversation:
Jesus didn't persuade everybody whom he spoke to, there were some that walked away, and he looked at some of them and said: "Will you also leave me at this point?" He looked at his disciples.
The cost of truth is huge, but conviction with compassion is indispensable.
There are really four questions of life: origin, meaning, morality and destiny.
That forms our worldview. Where did I come from? What does life actually means? How do I differentiate good and evil? What happens to a human being when he or she dies? Therefore, you put the two tests of truth, correspondence and coherence. Are my answers corresponding to reality? When my answers are put together, is there a coherence to them? The judeo Christian worldview meets the due test of correspondence and coherence with the four questions of life.
What was missing in the old testament? What was wrong?
There's nothing wrong.
It was the gradual unfolding of that relationship with God that we were offered, and that the grace that is given to you and me right from the beginning, has hints of this. The mirror of the law told me my face was dirty, but the mirror couldn't clean my face. I had to go to the faucet to find that cleansing. It's a complimentaryness and a completion.
Old Hebrew parable:
God is like the light, happiness and prosperity is like the shadow. If you walk towards the light, a shadow will follow you. If you turn your back upon the light and chase the shadow, you will never, ever catch up to it.
I think what we need is a test of character, not uniform in our beliefs, but a character that will hold integrity as a primary method of discourse. If you lose that, you lose the discourse.
Truth by definition is exclusive, if one person disagrees with the other, there's still the necessity of truth.
Even if we have our fundamental disagreements, I have to respect your right to your thinking, and hopefully in the end as we dialogue, the truth will have its way.
Awesome, thank for posting these.
You made more easier to read this more and more and have it stick in the head.
Thank a bunch !
Appreciated blessings!
Thank you for posting these! These are such impactful statements that I can’t do justice to when trying to paraphrase. This is very helpful. God bless.
I'm a simple guy. If I see a new video of Dr. Ravi, i stop everything else i do and listen to it.
Love him ❤
he's awesome, you can't be that 'simple', he's a very deep thinker.
Agreed
Sameee!
I discovered him on my car radio at 5am on a cold Saturday morning about 3 years ago and I like you stop and listen to him whenever I can.
Me too!!! 👍
"We are meant to be equal as people, but not all ideas are equal. We have reversed it -- we have made an elitism of people and an egalitarianism of ideas - and that is flawed as a starting point." Excellent!
Hi Randy. Indeed very well put and believe I do understand what he is saying, just that I now have a friend asking who these people are. What would you say is the best example of this? Thanks. (His question: Who are these people making an egalitarianism of ideas?)
@@janschellingerhout9673 the modern-day secular left, cultural relativists. Right and wrong are however you feel them to be. pick any modern-day hot-button issue. These people say you believe this I believe that, whatever we have in our hearts is right and true. Does this even need to be pointed out?
@@randyburrill2340 That is the basics of it as I understand it also. It seems some things have to be pointed out, depending on your world view, I guess your interpretation differs. (I am struggling to pin point his beliefs and views on things) I think the worst kind is people trying to start making it out the pedophilia is just a sexual orientation and that it is not all that bad basically.
@@janschellingerhout9673 exactly!
Gender dissphora is not pedophilia
Thet have separate issues
Ravi: "Anybody that attacks you personally, it's telling me they can't deal with your argument, so they are dealing with you". Simple as that.
It becomes clear from this discussion why Dave is a great interviewer: he's a great listener.
Night People Music Yes I don’t agree with all of Dave’s views but I certainly respect and love him
Dave is not only a great listener, but he thinks about what he hears, and the implications. So his responses that follow, take the conversation further. And he does it with great humility. He makes his guests feel at ease.
@@johnwasko5678 Maybe in this interview it was Ravi that made Dave look good. Ravi has a way that is so powerful because he had a genuine respect for other people. John, listen to Razi Z at Princeton, UCLA, Liberty University any of his lectures or Q&A's He was brilliant and such a gentleman. If you or someone you know is seeking to know or to understand our existence. He knows the Way. I had listened to about 6 or 8 hours of his CZcams videos before I learned that he had passed on May 19. I can't believe I had not heard of him. So glad I found him. Anyone that went to public schools in the '60s till now and especially those from broken homes need to listen to Razi. Commit to 3 hours. If you have depressed teenagers especially. Anyone who is seeking to make sense of our world. I personally do not have those questions anymore, but I love Ravi Zacharias.
@@joycepenn3830 Ravi a genuine respect for other people does he?
If only the average TV watcher knew there were incredible interviews like this out there.
CZcams is most prominent in the USA. I live in Germany. Even though CZcams is spreading here, it is not viewed as a platform for serious topics. In fact CZcams is prompting itself as an entertainment platform. Not as an educational platform. Which is a sad thing.
That's why I am not being taken serious when I say I do Christian apologetics and polemics against Islam on the internet by my own friends....
Oh well. What ever....
Agreed. I can't imagine ever going back to watching cable TV now that shows like this exist on the Internet.
Jon Son Do not be discouraged by the size of the audience. Perhaps God’s plan is for you to reach one person.
LynnColorado no doubt I’m sitting here watching this while many others are somewhere watching dr.Phil
LynnColorado...and what miss Dancing with the Stars!! R u crazy! < tongue planted firmly in cheek>
I completely agree with you Lynn. Maddening isnt it!
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Get Peterson and Ravi together!!!!
The universe might explode.
@ totally agree.
And Sam Harris too!
@@FighterFlash ....Sam...he'll wet himself.
@@jonjohnston5333 Mind will be be fried.OMG,deadly combination.
Ravi passed away today. I'm watching his interviews in mourning.
Me too!!
Me too
Strange behaviour, he's gone home you know!
We mourn not because he is Home. We mourn him not being with us. Big difference :)
@@meltingeinstein3012 did you have a point or any semblance of an independent idea, or are you just a troll?
Dave Rubin, I have watched your channel on and off for about two years. You have stated you are an atheist, gay and a classic libertarian, I say this with the utmost respect. I have never seen anyone more open to freedom of speech and new ideas then you are. Everyone wants to yell in there own echo chamber, you are completely opposite, you are open to new ideas open to discussion with people with different views. You are an example to us all. Keep on doing what you are doing, we need more open dialogue.
The Law is the mirror that shows how dirty we are, but Christ is the living water that will clean your face... My jaw about dropped at how succinct and simple this analogy is.
Brilliant.
Thanks for this! Absolutely true.. Thank You Jesus..
Awesome analogy or sure 43:14 🤯🤯
I so enjoyed the way Dr. Zacharias called him, "David." A small, simple thing, but somehow beautiful.
No way he could not feel Ravi's love and concern for him. You have to wonder the interaction off-set 😉 We'll be praying for him...AND Jordan Peterson❤...AND Ben!
That’s what struck me as well. To me it seems as I heard the love in his voice just saying “David”...
isnt his name David? Or did i missed something?
@@nikokapanen82 yes it is... usually people call him Dave tho, so hearing him say Dave's full name brings a little more meaning to the times when he says it. Maybe like a parent or an elder person who calls you by your full name that you don't correct or mention because somehow it would seem disrespectful.
My religious leaders often call me Jonathon, even tho most people call me Jon - and it just seems right. I respect them, and it brings me a subtle warm feeling to hear someone I respect use my full name in a dignified manner while they speak to me about life's important lessons.
Idk... just my opinion I suppose.
@@garciajon117
This is quite interesting because in Russia it is exactly the opposite, where your parents and other people close to you call you by a shortened name or in other gentle way but all the rest of people who are not close to you call you by your full name.
Watching this in 2020 when he said "some great tragedy will hit us and then we'll awaken"... He said this right before pandemic and the riots.. you known this man was walking with God to have this revelation. Rest in peace Ravi Zacharias. Who will pick up the mantle now? We need more godly people like him
@Nick Fuenteswow, what an idiotic thing to say
“We can disagree without being disagreeable.” Amen 🙏
This is a dream come true for me. Ravi Zacharias changed my life 15 years ago. I became a deep thinker because of him. His podcast prepared me to not be indoctrinated in college. I don't I think I would be a Christian today without him.
Christians really appreciate you Dave, Thank you so much for hearing us out and treating us with kindness and respect. This was an amazing conversation and I hope it leads to many more in the future, especially one with Jordan Peterson
Second that motion(s)😁 ...all of them!
Me too.
Hhwell. Me is a dang deep thanker. I hwas said by teacher that told me stuff to learn back in Alabama I was real smarter and extra smart more than everyone else. I tawt more stuff toward my class than the hole teach people.
@@mikimiyazaki wow, you must be smarter than me, cool story bro
@@Rayceunit01 dont hworry aint yur dang ole fault.
As a Christian, I have total respect for Rubin...this was one of the best chats he has had (and they've all been great).
Agree!
How do you respect Rubin's life of sin? And leading other people to Hell with his example and platform?
@@CausalityLoop Why am I not surprised that someone who claims faith in Christ asks such an astoundingly obtuse question? I respect Rubin for being not only willing to have guests on that he does not agree with , but also actually listening to what the man has to say. Yes, Rubin is openly gay; No, I do not agree with that lifestyle from a Biblical perspective. However, Rubin does not regard the Word as either infallible nor Authoritative. Yet, Rubin is willing to hear someone out (without attacking or mocking)who does; and with someone of Ravi's abilities and gifts, we don't know what the Holy Spirit will do in Rubin's heart because of his willingness to hear. Ravi is doing the Great Commission, going into places that might be hostile to the message of Christ. In this case, there's no hostility or animosity on Rubin's part. And THAT is what I respect.
Come off your high horse and see it from God's perspective. Would you rather lose Rubin by regarding him as someone not worthy of discussing such deep things because of his sinful lifestyle? Or would you rather watch the Holy Spirit transform his thinking by softening his heart to receive the truth presented in humility and gentleness? Why shouldn't we try to go rescue the one lamb that is lost?
The Stig what is interesting is your view, which more aligns with the first half of the statement RZ makes of how God didn’t come to make bad people good, but to make dead people alive. You seem to value the this first part a lot. This is not dismissing that being saved makes you a changed creature, as RZ does talk about. You are walking the fine line of shame vs conviction. There is a difference with each approach. And what disturbs me more is that based off a few posts are you seriously trying to say the other poster is not saved? If so, that is a lot of arrogance. Yes we are to judge other Christians actions, but that was a stretch if you ask me based off that little bit.
Rubin is searching. If you can’t see that you must be blind. This can be proof that he is searching for God, or that God is drawing him. I happen to believe that there is no sinner too far out of Gods reach, and Rubin is within it. God’s Grace and Mercy knows no bounds. Paul, prior being the murderous zealot Saul ring any bells? Or better yet, that Paul then went to Corinth and preached to people who had orgies to please their god Aphrodite? Incredible sexual deviants yet become apart of the Christian church. Reading both books of Corinthians shows their struggles but Paul met them both with convocation and love (Truth and Grace). While RZ didn’t call out Rubin directly, I don’t believe this had to be said based off their conversation detailing they had great known differences but yet can be civil. Why mention being civil? Because of his homosexuality, that is easy to understand during this part of the conversation. RZ knows Rubin is aware, that he doesn’t have to tell him his belief on this and rather gave his testimony and show that his life without God as his foundation doesn’t lead to the same outcome as living a good life. Did you notice how excited and happy RZ was to tell this to Rubin? Man there was a lot you missed by being critical or being blinded by your hatred. Think of how this audience you worry about seeing Rubin being being gay has heard a life transformed by God! Amazing that this can be heard on this platform. Not once did RZ say his lifestyle was fine, but he did thank him for his conduct.
Speaking of audiences, it’s good to remember how each audience is spoken to in the as well in the New Testament. Notice the differences throughout in approach for believers and nonbelievers, or with Pharacies vs more traditional Jews. As mentioned by the other poster, the approach toward those who preach but don’t follow God’s way, or those who aren’t believers and are in a similar situation that Rubin possibly is (searching, not vehemently against God’s ways). Come on man, you know this.
@@DaleEarnhardt4ever"based off a few posts are you seriously trying to say the other poster is not saved?"
-Of course not. I have no idea about him/her aside from what was shared, and any critique I have should be construed narrowly. My only real issue with the original post was the claim of having 'total respect' for Rubin. I simply cannot have respect for someone who could potentially (but let's be realistic, he probably has) lead someone away from God with his example, and bring them eternal suffering. And I don't see how any Christian can say they respect him totally, if they truly understand the consequences.
" I happen to believe that there is no sinner too far out of Gods reach."
-I agree with you almost completely. But I should remind you of Mark 3:28-29:
"Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."
I have no idea if Rubin can be saved, though personally I think it's pretty likely. People can be saved from homosexuality as any other sin, and I don't think the occasional curse word falls into the category of eternal sin (not certain), but I can't deny we've been told that there is such a thing as an unforgivable sin.
"Man there was a lot you missed by being critical or being blinded by your hatred."
-Wow, you are so wildly off the mark where I'm coming from. Let me elaborate: I do not hate Dave Rubin or gay people. In fact, I often wonder why God made humans capable of homosexuality in the first place, if it was going to be so specifically condemned. Given how the rest of the animal world looks, it feels like it even makes a sort of sense that some people would be homosexual, so I get why pretty much everyone (in the west anyway) is mostly okay with it. But that's irrelevant because of what is spelled out in Scripture. And it's the consequence of sin that drives me to speak the truth to everyone I meet. If I knew Dave Rubin was suffering in Hell, I'd probably cry if I thought about it for too long. I've listened to him speak. He seems like a perfectly nice guy. I don't want him there. I don't want anyone there. But just imagine if, say, 5 children enter into their own gay lifestyle and rejected Christ, specifically because of Dave Rubin's example. And because they watched Dave's show, and because they saw friendly Christians who talked with him, they never understood the consequences of their decision. An Eternity of separation from God. Suffering. For 5 (in reality way more) eternal souls that could have been saved.
Would it still be worth it to have a Christian come on this show and not warn them? If you don't warn them and you could have, who really cared about them?
Dave is gonna be a conservative Christian in 5 years. Calling it now.
👍
AMEN!
No, he won't.
That would be awesome.
A thinking follower
Ravi showed me here that evangelism and apologetics is not simply about talking of Jesus and eternal destiny. He speaks earnestly with joy in his heart and a deep yearning to understand. It is our hearts and our words that win souls. Thank you David for having Ravi on, and thank you for your work for the Lord Jesus Christ, Ravi! May He bless you both.
Seductive really?
Never seen Dave speechless so many times in one interview. I pray God uses this interview to break through to Dave's heart and to the hearts of his viewers.
Yes so true. It was very powerful.
Curious if you think breaking through to Dave's heart would require him to leave his husband.
@@williambartholmey5946 As they were going along the road, someone said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go." And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head." To another he said, "Follow me." But he said, "Lord, let me first go and bury my father." And Jesus said to him, "Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God." Yet another said, "I will follow you, Lord, but let me first say farewell to those at my home." Jesus said to him, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God."
Luke 9:57-62 ESV
@@williambartholmey5946 Short answer, yes. Following Jesus requires giving up a lot of things. Giving your life to him. I think Dave knows that.
@@redhawkmillenium No need to quote the Bible to me. I was indoctrinated from childhood, have read it cover to cover several times, have hundreds if not thousands of hours of Bible studies and sermons in my past, though I ditched it many years ago. I was just curious if Dave's Christian audience were any more reasonable than the Biblical literalists that poison the Bible Belt where I live. I guess not.
I would love to sit in on a conversation between Ravi Zacharias and Jordan Peterson
Absolutely
I would pay for that
2 wordsmiths who say nothing.
@sandy granule :
"He that has ears to hear, let him hear..."
We just did.
"God not only changes what you do, He also changes what you want to do" -Ravi Zacharias
Thank God for blessing us with Ravi.
ravi is a sexual predator.
“Some great tragedy will hit us, and then we will wake up.” How prescient!
I agree!!!!!!!
I agree as well!
Reminder everyone: Full episodes like this now post on Sunday’s with clips all week!
Thank you Dave for this great interview, keep up the good work!
Get Dr. William Lane Craig.
The Rubin Report Excellent interview.... ur going to make a great Christian one day, Dave!
@@jehulimma frank turek
What a great conversation between two people with fundamentally different beliefs. Thank you.
Moralistic foundations. Thinkers like this are waking people up and bringing us back from a dangerous place.
Disillusioned Canuck “The cost of truth is huge, but conviction with compassion is indispensable.”
@¿ ? If you were founded on all that, then no wonder you fell. Sheesh. I actually thought you were satyrizing the Left of our Time.
Ravi survived poisoning his body, and I hope that one in here survives poisoning his heart.
@________________________________________________ 1 Peter 2:18-20 New International Version (NIV)
18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.
@@PhDyMy transcendent authority might be evil authority you know the devil has powers too all that needs to be done is persuade you to think in any way you want and when you have a conclusion even if it's abolishing biblical understanding for anything else still makes you master of your own demise but don't say you never knew the true God when the evidence was always there.
I love how Ravi makes the interview personal and refers to the interviewer by his first name.
How can I miss so much, and grief over someone I've never new personally? Requiescat in pace. Amen.
I feel you 🙌🏻
We have come to rely on cursing our enemy when we are commanded to bless them.
Well said.
Excellent! And...Ouch that hurt! Lol
I struggle with this daily.
Except God, who curses everyone who disagrees with Him or fails to realize He exists to suffer eternally.
The Stig that’s the imperial or Roman version. Roman Catholic is Roman Protestant makes no difference. Jesus came to tell us who the true Father is. The god of this world is not my Father. Who could live that psychopath. The Roman clerks missed a spot - several actually. Check out Bobby Colliers God God channel. You might have fun bantering with devotees of Yahweh Jehovah whatever he calls his self if you listen. That Sodom and Gomorrah part reads like a mafia tuff kneecapping a whole city (or two). That parts me, I’m not sure what Collier says about it. A lot of “Christians” need to clean out their tool box.
To everyone who is stuck on Ravi's declaration that people are equal, he is stating that people are of equal worth, in the eyes of God, as beings created in God's image.
Right? Common sense and basic biblical teaching. I have no idea why people are complaining about it.
On further thought, I guess it speaks to the utter biblical illiteracy of our culture today. This used to be common knowledge, woven into the very fabric of American culture. It's one of the ideas upon which our very country was founded!
The realization that people are no longer aware of it and even seem to reject it the way they're doing here is horrifying.
@@Yesica1993
They just read the text on the thumbnail for the video and immediately disagreed with it.
@@Yesica1993 you should do more research on the realities of the history of the US
He was a misogynistic asshole. Fuck him and good riddance.
@@sidepot Ravi addressed this kind of response. When people don't agree with you and they are unable to articulate their opinion they attack you. I pray Ken, that God will open the eyes of your heart to His grace and mercy - that which Ravi is now in the direct presence of.
Dave, after Ravi's passing yesterday, I lovingly envy you for having the chance to meet such a wonderful man of God! Be blessed!
Ravi will be missed. Such a loving, intelligent, and godly man.
"My knowledge of that life is small,
The eye of faith is dim;
But ’tis enough that Christ knows all,
And I shall be with Him."
- Richard Baxter
Good is naturally attractive, however, evil is seductive.
This he says at the beginning and it explains why folks that do evil in the name of good can become blind to evil
agreed- brilliant quote and it explains so much
So many great lines in this interview that will need to be requoted in the future❤
Yes that was well said
Evil is naturally attractive...because we come into existence with a fallen nature prone to evil.
This is the kind of wisdom that only comes with age. This is why we should listen to our seniors but the indoctrination centers have convinced our young they know it all.
Worse yet, they're convincing young people that all those before them were just sexist, racist, homophobic, bigots deserving ridicule, humiliation and discredit. This is the type of indoctrination and ideology held by youthful radicals during China's cultural communist revolution. One so-called progressive young man recently commented elsewhere that he would consider it great "progress" if one day his future grandchildren were to dislike him, hate him even, and consider him a sexist, racist bigot due to his current "progressive" views. In this young man's warped mind, true "progress" will continue to render everything bigoted unless and until _everything_ is held to be of absolute, equal value and without any distinction.
Nope this kind of wisdom doesn't come from age but from God's grace and understanding of the scriptures. We have many old people today that are still not wise. E.g Trump, nancy pelosi etc
You will be missed, Ravi. Thank you for your incredible words of wisdom.
Ravi is a kind, loving, and wise uncle for young people to lean on and embrace.
Thank you Dave. As a follower of Christ I continue to find your willingness to have civil discourse with people of all views a rare and honorable thing. Praying for you and your efforts.
@Jesus Christ - Go donate your life to Jesus instead of trolling online. You'll find it a much more rewarding experience instead.
I think God will soften Dave's heart completely!
I am one of those people who had asked if RZ could be brought in for the discussion. Thanks Dave for doing this.
Is that amazing? You request someone and then one day they're here. (I was requesting Ravi & Stephen C. Meyer to be on The Daily Wire Show and it was shortly after that Stephen C Meyer was invited on... pretty neat.) Stephen C. Meyer, I think, is a theist who may be a Christian.
Ravi will be missed by millions! Loved and enjoyed his ministry and his love for the lord. “Well done, good and faithful servant”
I’m glad so many people appreciated his interview as there are no more interviews to come. He has gone to be with his Lord, King and Saviour.
Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.
Equal in moral worth. As RZ says, it is a metaphysical claim.
He's not talking about "equal" in capabilities or accomplishment. He's talking about Equal in Worth. It's the axiomatic foundation of our fundamental respect for human life. "All men are Created Equal", as the Declaration of Independence asserts, calling that a "self-evident Truth". If you don't understand that, you don't understand human Freedom at all.
"Equity", the artificially-imposed equalization of OUTCOMES, is the twisted distortion of our original Equality ideal, which you're reacting against. Yes, THAT lie is indeed anathema to Freedom. But that is not at all what is being spoken of here.
Realistic Racing Community it is not
That’s a fundamental flaw right there
There is no such thing as equality. Its a Marxist concept. Mother Nature shows us, religions show us, history shows us... Yet, social engineers sell the concept to low IQ mental midgets. Sheep are easy to herd. Forced equality is slavery.
Realistic Racing Community “Morality is subjective” the serial killer or child rapist motto. So you say that collectivist are bad you say morally reprehensible, Is that statement of yours a moral objective truth or subjective? from your comment, be careful not to contradict yourself
A Muslim here, and listening to a Christian. Guess what, I like his wisdom. None of them contradicting with the moral values I've been taught since I was a child. Even if there are thing I wouldn't really agree with, I'm fine with it.
gameofman he does not have to achieve godliness, because Jesus did it on his behalf. Jesus died for his sin
:) a7leen.. You will be blessed by listening to Ravi.
Ask Jesus.
Nabeel Qureshi is another great source. He worked with Ravi.
I watched this today, the day I learned of Mr. Zacharias' passing. This was so comforting. What an amazing man. Thank you Dave!
He is all over CZcams. I have learned so much, He is brilliant.
The love and compassion of Jesus pours out of this man
I’m an agnostic but I’ve listened to Ravi many times going into work on weekend mornings. He is not trying to offend those that disagree with him but trying to have a conversation with us and get us thinking.
steveninthe is he a reporter that researched the Bible and became a Christian?
@@tsveno72 indeed
@@tsveno72 i believe in God but im not religious, i think a perspective in believing in God can he achieved rationally. The classical idea of God is that God is eternal, it created or is creating the universe, and God is omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient. If we substitute or exchange the word God with the word energy then all of those statements become true.
Science concludes that energy cannot be created or destroyed. If energy cant be created, then that means that energy was never created yet it somehow exists? If something has never been created then it doesnt exist, it is irrational to say that something exists when it has never been created. Yet it is true, also energy cant be destroyed. So energy is eternal.
Quantam physicists tell us that the entire universe can be reduced to the level of the atom. But there is nothing physical about the atom, it is a strange interplay between positive energy proton and negative energy electron. But these subatomic particles are not physical, they have string theory but its not actually a physical string. It is a positive energy vibration and a negative energy vibration. So the entire universe can be reduced to positive energy proton and negative energy electron. So energy is omnipresent. If something exists it is energy, noone can show me something that cant be reduced to energy. Following the same logic one can also conclude that energy is omnipotent and omniscient.
Also the atom is the building block for the physical universe. Somewhere somehow. There is a software programming that lets the atom know how to manifest in reality as a liquid solid or gas depending on the number of protons in the nucleus. So the atom which consists of protons and electrons is creating physical reality.
So energy is eternal, energy is the 3 omnis, and energy is creating the physical universe. So in my view, God is in some way energy. The bible says God is the holy spirit, spirit sounds like some ghostly non physical substance, and its not a big leap to think perhaps spirit is somehow a similar substance as energy. In my opinion God is like an infinite web of energy, or an energy matrix from which all things exist within it, all things are an expression of energy, all things are one and one is all.
My only issue with this interview is that it was only an hour! I could listen to this all day
Ravi is all over CZcams. I have listened to many of them. They are all good. He is a brilliant, caring man.
I love listening to Ravi Zacharias! He is the first person to ever challenge me to examine what I believe. He has a radio program called "Let My People Think". Thank you for having him on.
Jeremy, I just found him on CZcams. There are dozens. The University one's and the Q&A's are very good.
I know Ravi just passed away recently but I have been listening to his preachings for about four years now and I was very impressed by his ways of teaching and the softness of his speech, he captured my attention with every talk. I am a cancer survivor and still fighting, but Ravi is such an inspiration in my life that I can’t describe any further. Rest In Peace with the Lord Ravi.
This is the most positive comment section I’ve ever seen.
Truer words have only been spoken in this interview
He is a wonderful example of what christ expects from us..I wish I could be as wise as he is..
Dear me.... Jezus came to make the dead people live..... The pursuit of purpose.... That made an impact!
Because it's the Truth
He has been there all along, waiting for us to mature & appreciate His significance
I'm amazed how good of an interviewer dave rubin is. Rare.
Man, this interview really hits me hard.
When I became a Christian 5 years ago, Ravi was one of the first people to introduce me to apologetics. I became a deeper thinker because of him. I learned to react to situations logically, and began to question the philosophical ideas on meaning and morality.
I became agnostic a year ago and seeing Ravi with one of my favorite interviewers brought back what seems like ancient memories. I genuinely miss having faith now. Life made so much more sense.
If Ravi and Jordan Peterson actually sat in the same room and recorded a conversation about life and meaning, I might actually just die of happiness and go directly to Jesus
I hope i will get to see Ravi and Jordan Peterson having a conversation in my lifetime. It would be a dream coming true
I think those two are as close as I have to "heroes".
Most definitely!
Unless it happened before covid and before his health faded, I don’t believe that will happen....unless it’s a videointerview done while Ravi still has strength.
Unfortunately not. Ravi passed earlier today.
I'm so happy he found Jesus and now he is in Heaven with Him 💙
With all due respect and humbleness, the saved do not go straight to heaven when they die. They are dead, in the grave, until Jesus returns and the resurrection takes place. Please study what the Bible says on the subject.
@@liat3593 so where do they go then?
@@mrs1758 They don't "go" anywhere, the body decomposes in the grave, and the breath of life returns to God who gave it. The "living soul" is no longer living, as the body and the breath of life are not united. The Bible compares this to a "sleep", where the dead "know nothing". When Jesus returns the saved will be resurrected first, and then the lost 1000 years later.
This man truly had godly wisdom. So elocuent and honest. I don't think there would be atheists if christians were like this. RIP, ravi.
Dave and Ravi would no doubt have stark disagreement over certain contemporary lifestyle choices yet there's an undeniable respect and affection between them. This is how serious discourse should be done, always mindful of the other's essential worth as a creation of God.
When the interview was winding down, I thought to myself, "why is Dave cutting this interview so short?" Then noticed it had been an hour, incredible the time went so fast! Interesting man. Thanks!
I’m so glad this interview was done in October. Ravi Zacharias will be missed.
“The cost of truth is huge- but conviction with compassion is indispensable.” What wise words.
Ravi Zacharias- the world will miss you so much.
So blessed by this man’s ministry...❤️
I am from Croatia and I think that Mr. Ravi Zacharias is a true representative of Christianity and simply sympathetic and knowledgeable.
Me too.Pozdrav:-)
Yes he is💯
Honestly Dave I'm so impressed by the guests you chose to have these indepth conversations with. I can only imagine how you've changed over the past couple of years through your exposure to this buffet of people. Again I applaud your true display of diversity... 👏😔
This is probably one of the greatest conversations I've ever watched. It came at just the right time.
Dr Zacharias has provided invaluable insight into our world and Thank God for such a voice. He will be missed.
Love to read
Gonna miss Ravi Zacharias. He was such a clear and intelligent thinker.
"The cost of truth is huge, but conviction with compassion is indispensable." Thank you, Ravi, for your life, testimony, and message. You never cease to amaze me.
He wasn't even dead yet when you wrote this comment, what the hekk??
@@sethbishop6890 What do you mean? It's not a tribute for him after his death; it was based on listening to one of his lectures at the time.
Dave Rubin has Ravi zacharius on his show?! Ravi is a modern day prophet full of God given wisdom!
It's incorrect to say he's a "prophet"; he doesn't presume to have new revelation from God.
redhawkmillenium dude it’s a hyperbole....chill bro
@@shreeded I'm sorry, but redhawkmillenium is correct in their reproach. Words have meaning, and prophet a very specific one. It doesn't work, even in a hyperbolic context, unless you're Mormon.
@@redhawkmillenium My understanding is that there are two meanings to the word prophet, one being "truth teller" and the other entails new revelation from God. Many of the OT prophets didn't bring new revelation from God as much as remind people about what God had already said, that they had forgotten..
Everyone... calm your tits.
Such a humble, strong and inspiring servant of Jesus. I will miss him so much. I hope to see him in the new Jerusalem. RIP my beautiful brother in Christ.
RIP Ravi. So sad that you’re gone from us but happy you’re with our Lord
Ravi and Peterson would need at least 3hrs. to make it a great conversation, Rubin should sell tickets for this should it happen.
No! Keep it free, or else I wouldn't be able to afford it! lol 😄
@@SuhailaAlFraiheen lol i know i was just kidding.
William Lane Craig and maybe Ben Shapiro?
Sadly Ravi is no more
Michael Ruatfela Ralte at least not in this world now.
Dr. Ravi is exactly what I needed today.
Same 👏👏
I just heard the Paul Johnson book referenced by Ravi ("Intellectuals")- Dave, this is an absolute must-read. Couldn't agree more - excellent. We believers are gonna miss Ravi for sure - what a kind and forthright man.
"The cost of truth is huge, but conviction with compassion is indispensable."
can you explain this to me?
Wow, I'm really impressed that Dave Rubin had Ravi on his show to have a discussion. Really awesome choice, Dave, and thank you for being a reasonable and genuine person willing to have candid and respectul conversations with those who you disagree with and agree with. I've always liked Rubin, but it's just nice to see that respect I have for him always being reaffirmed
Ravi is right. Meaning is what is missing in people’s lives. It leads to suicide, drug addiction and trying to make a god out of politics. St. Augustine said of God, “Our hearts are restless until we rest in thee”. I have found this to be true in my own life.
I need more Ravi in my life, I can’t get enough of him! Been listening to his teachings for years❤️
"Destruction comes much easier than construction"
So very true. Someone else has said we are only one generation from barbarism. Also very true.
RIP, Ravi Zacharias.
Dave Rubin is such a good interviewer. He is a master in asking questions and carrying on in dialogue. I hope I can learn from him in this.
As for Ravi, he is such a kind and gentle man who is so well thought out.
Well done Dave! Excellent interview with a very interesting man. I didn't know anything about Ravi Zacharias and now I'm interested in knowing more.
I stumbled upon Dr. Ravi 10 years ago and he has helped, through the power of God, change my way of thinking.
@@uzoonuoha766 Many have not heard of great Christian thinkers like Ravi Zacaharias, an unabashed evangelical, since the world does not want to accept the message and salvation offered by Jesus Christ. Until I accept the fact that I have sinned against a personal, creator God in thought, word and deed, I will never ask for forgiveness or confess and accept Jesus as savior and Lord. Humanistic pride is the most subtle of all sins!
agree - sad to hear of his passing this week
RIP Ravi, the angels rejoice as we cry here below. A wonderful man of God, he helped me thru a very rough time in my life, made so many lives better, and never failed to praise God, even in his darkest hours.
RIP Ravi Zacharias. He and his ministry will never be forgotten
Dave, I just want to thank you for having Ravi on. I get the feeling you wanted to be picky on who you would invite to be your first evangelical Christian with which to dialogue. Given the social and political backdrop of the last 7 years, it is understandable. I thank you for just having a conversation with another human being and allowing them to share their beliefs and asking good questions.
Yeah, there are a lot of "evangelical Christians" who would have made very terrible guests. But Ravi has always approached things with such a kind and thoughtful demeanor, which is perfect for this show.
Wow! I have watched both for a number of years. I can’t believe this is happening. Technology!
Same here. Love both Dave and Ravi. I donated to Dave because he is open minded and will interview people that he doesn't agree with 100%
Saaaaame ♥️
When Ravi Zacharias passed away in May 2020, I began reading around who he was, what he stood for. I came across this interview, which was so refreshing to see him be allowed to discuss his views openly, without being shut down or made to feel he was not well 'informed' 'living in another era' 'out dated' etc. Since then I have watched many interviews on The Rubin Report, Larry Elder, Braidon Tatum, Candice Owen, Dave Webb, Jordan Peterson and more.... I'm Welsh/British, Christian, Female, been living in USA since 2010, I am also an American citizen. Watching these videos have been so refreshing....simply because most people on here have been saying what I have been sensing for years. I would say arriving in the USA I was more leaning towards left, in all honest I had never really thought politics through on a deep level and accepted my cultural heritage and working class background as...vote labour or liberal, but don't vote Conservative ( even though many times I did not vote as did not feel I knew enough out things to vote). That has changed. I finally see the more I listened to Trump adminstration policies, his office, that I actually agree with a lot of what he says. He LOVES America, he has honoured Israel, has honoured christians (who have been silent in politics), and that's just the start. I have bought Dave Rubin's book and really am encouraged as I read, that finally even though on some issues we may disagree on( I agree with much of it btw)..it's great to be open and watching so many other shows now like Ben Shappiro also has really given me hope for AMERICA. Most of my family and friends in UK laugh because I am now more aligned towards Trump and much if what he is trying to do. It's this program that began to put in to words what I thought was so frustrating, the feeling that one should be silent especially if you are a Christian and believe in a Judeo-Christian world view. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING A PIONEER IN BEING ONE WHO CHOSE TO STEP OUT FIRST Many are walking away for far left wing ideologies now....and although they may not have began to speak out as yet, they are beginning to see some hope for true freedom...the tide of truth is rising faster and the overflow is coming to wash away many of the false hoods that have caused many beautiful souls of feeling 'accused' and of holding on to untrue sentiments and belief systems because they disagree with much of left wing ideologies. So glad to hear these interviews....even if I disagree at times, it's so liberating. Thank you : )
So glad I listened to this a second time; moved me to tears. What a wonderful world this can sometimes be. Thank you both.
Dave Rubin, you are doing something really important for this world. And you are doing it very well.
Did you not feel David be taken aback by that statement and bask in it's warmth and love...that only a father figure could bestow on a son. I felt David was deeply needing that affirmation from a great man.
I can’t confirm this but I personally believe that Fear is the ultimate political tool.
well, that's how Freud ave his theory of psychology. But it's arguable. I personally agree with you. World is driven by fear and hunger.
Fear evokes strong emotion, and emotion is the foil to logical thought. A strong emotional response causes extremely fast response whereas explaining the reasoning behind something takes much longer. These days, fast engagement is key. Not to say emotions are bad -- but you need to use reasoning to guide them if you want to be informed and open minded.
The BBC (a terrible organization that still sometimes gets it right) made a documentary called the Power of Nightmares. I strongly recommend finding it, watching it and downloading it if you're able to. It is a major documentary going to a understanding of our paradigm.
@jemielnic So you're twenty years old?
"When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything."....So choosing to not believe in God results in becoming capable of believing in (anything) which includes God.,...umm ok
gotta agree with you, StoryMan, fear is the ultimate political tool. Religion, not to be misconstrued as sincere faith. is another extreme tool they incorporate to confuse and divide. As a follower of Christ, I try to follow His example best I can while avoiding the pretentious machinations of religion. Keeping it simple - Christ based:)
Ravi was such a beautiful mind-- he will be missed-- I really hope he and Peterson were able to meet I hope we can hear that conversation some day!
Ravi has been such a blessing in my life! How amazing is it to see him with Dave Rubin... I just hope more people listen to Raviji... He is a fantastic witness of Christ!