The Problem With White Rappers
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Hey everybody! Hope you liked this video on white rappers. I think this is a really interesting topic and I'd love to hear your thoughts down below. Between Eminem, Macklemore, Mac Miller, El-P, Jack Harlow, and allllllllll the other white people in hip-hop, let's discuss! Do you think that there's any kind of privilege in rap? Or do these guys have it harder than most? Let me know.
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The comment section is gonna be so funny
I can feel my organs failing already
@Nort awfully hot coffee pot
pissbaby's incoming
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@Kausachun Velasco tf are you talking about...? Black people are never slammed for what they say. White people are always the "oppressors" with "privilege..."
Don't let this video distract you from the fact that logic is biracial.
He only lets us know every other bar
@@eatham423 Noooooo he's white AND black
ReD ReaVeR don’t tell me you’d say Yellowman isn’t Jamaican? Just happens to have Albinism... Logic’ brothers and sisters are black, Logic just happened to be white but be raised by black people and surrounded by black people. He acknowledges this unlike white rappers.
ReD ReaVeR all this shit aside, strong arm steady are dope. what i’m saying is Logic was raised by black people and acknowledges the problems he faced by being associated between white and black, i think defining him as a “white rapper” is misjudged.
Don't let the fact that Logic is biracial distract you from the fact that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.
What's interesting is that when Dr Dre heard Eminem, he absolutely loved it. He only heard a demo and never saw a pic of him and assumed Em was black but that wasn't the case. Just Shows
@God is Here cause black people could rap. That was the normal assumptions back then.
@God is Here still is kinda a thing till this day even though a lot more whites are getting noticed then before.
Mhm
Yes ... Thank you
God is Here There is no proof of that. Id wager if Em was Black he wouldnt be Em. When he came out his style wasnt the norm...
Bro white or black IT DONT MATTER if u wonna rap, no matter what race you are, DO NOT give up, but no hate man u a legend keep grinding
Rap sucks either way
@@grant1739 says the guy who clicked on a rap video
@@manihoji agree with your point but v1nce pfp
@@grant1739 why are u here dog
I bet you're white. This sounds very white.
Ik I’m late but reading these comments it’s funny how much people misinterpreted or downright ignored pretty much everything alfo said in this video.
Most I don't think have finished the video, I'm seeing comments asking about rappers that literally get mentioned in the later bits of the video.
Oh look it's a pick me🙄
@@aliway4136 again I find it funny that not only did you ignore/misinterpret what alfo said, you ignored what I said.
How has anything that I’ve said made me out to be a pick me
Because for some race is their N word.
Ya I tuned out tbh. Don't got time for all these mental gymnastics justifying how race matters and it's good to see race and to treat diff races differently...
For me I don’t care what race you are if you make good rap you make good rap
exactly
👍👍👍 u right
Yep
Facts
Subjective
Vanilla ice started the whole “corny white rapper” thing.
Vanilla ice is cringy
Hmm idk beastie boys
@@Imagetherealist beastie boys were good, though.
Beastie Boys and 3rd base were trash
@Sleepy Dean
Beastie Boys trash? You are a fucking idiot.
In my opinion, if you can talk about Action Bronson and his niche, you can put Aesop Rock and Slug in that category. Aesop and Slug have been around longer, Slug built his record label, and Aesop is one of the most intricate wordsmiths. They both came out of the same underground movement as El-P. El-P didn't get a lot of recognition in the mainstream until he and Killer Mike formed Run the Jewels, which isn't even mentioned.
missing the point and also he specifically mentions that El-P didn’t see success until forming RTJ so i kno you didn’t watch the whole video
@@dmndxdave I must have missed that part of the video. My bad. I rewatched the video and acknowledge the mistake. Would you be willing to explain what point I missed?
Cause they all SUCK
For eminem i feel like he wasn't really accepted by the existing community but was able to get widespread success commercially due to the fact that he was more marketable to white people who is the vast majority of the US. The thing is with Eminem though is that he is actually talented which lead to the existing community start to slowly accept him over time. It is hard for white rappers especially in the early 2000s to get credit for how good they are from the existing hiphop community but was a lot easier to get credit from casually listeners and is why em has always done really well commercially
No disrespect, but I don't think I agree with the not accepted by the hip hop community as Em earned his stripes and respect in battle rap and had the backing of Dr. Dre early in his career, which could only come from people respecting him. But In regards to Eminem having talent, easily one of the greatest of the greatest to ever do it.
this youtuber forgot the legendary artist behind "it's everyday bro"
🗿 we dont talk about that shit bro
that's not a problem to hip hop.. that's a problem to society bruh
Truly a rap icon. Why didn't he win a grammy?
Mmmm the epitome of artistry
England used to be a country
*But now it's a city*
Great. Now Logic is going to spend 10 more years telling everyone he's biracial.
He is? Goddamn, He shouldve told me
“It ain’t a project if logic ain’t talking bout being biracial”😂😂😂
Yea but he not from the hood he from a predominantly white neighborhood..so in hip hop that's always gonna raise a bit of controversy...just like if I'm from NYC but do country music. People wanna know what's your connection to hip hop if your a artist..it's one of the few genre of music where your background can make or break..hip hop is more culture then anything..not so much about race
@Lou Fay note even half. look at his dad and it should be clear.
Take it back Take it back Take it back Take it back Take it back Take it back Take it back ....
Interesting video. We reacted to this on Revolutionary Blackout Network and it was a great discussion. Thank you for this video essay.
This is the most honest video about this topic coming from white guy. Most of the time, they say "race does not matter when it comes to rap" or "they say eminem suffer racism too in rap community",
i mean he can
He does suffer racism in the rap community but he’s overrated in the mainstream. Em isn’t as good as he used to be and does make some terrible music, but now and especially in his prime his music was amazing. Those first three albums are some of the best of all time, but people don’t accept it cuz he white
Jack Harlow and Mac Miller made it to the game because they weren't trying to fit in or be an eminem clone
I like jack, but he has quickly become over rated. Just like tyler herro. They are good, but because they are white, their white fanbase will over hype them, because white people like rap too and when they see someone that looks like them they feel connected to the music. The same for tyler Herro. I like how jack also critiques his fans, who only likes him because he is a white guy that can rap because he doesnt want to he seen like that, he wants to be seen as a rapper and have the respect, but the court of public opinion doesnt care about that, the majority of the public will act according to socially acceptable things that's always how human society was and will be.
dude that’s so true, almost every white rapper wants to be an Eminem clone, just making less sense, it’s so cringe
@Dickrider Police I meant social opinion.
Mac originally made in into the game by being a frat rapper but changed after blue slide park
@@thorfinnoars1443 no they wibt really overhype them. have you seen jack harlows reaction videos by big black youtubers? like he litterly has propably more black or mixed race support than whites
It's interesting that white fans of white rappers get so defensive. I don't fuck with people who shame others for liking white rappers... But, at the same time, just admit it. A huge reason why white people like Eminem is because he is a white guy in a predominantly black industry. Same for basketball; people liking Larry Bird. It's cool.
Shit there's no shame in it. The big problem is people making out it's a sin to like your own race. I highly doubt black people were sitting around thinking "whites invented NBA it's not fair Jordan dominates it".
Imagine if someone made a “problem with black rappers” this video would have been taken down long time ago
use your critical thinking skills for once and don’t make up a reason to be offended
@@boketto3966 you would be mad if someone had a “problem with black rappers” don’t be naive
@@FoxLadyQueen You listen to mgk huh.
@@nowahblanco9935 no? I listen to nascar aloe, blckk, cxrpse, bruhmanegod, triple777, razing. Lot more
@@FoxLadyQueen ew
We judge music by sound, not ethnicity
“We don’t judge music by ethnicity”
Well we've seen what you guys have made popular over the years, so don’t lie
shut up XD
@@Ronnie.Raymond u such a clown
@@Ronnie.Raymond dumbass comment considering black musicians dominate the charts.
@@Ronnie.Raymond This guy specifically is saying he judges music by sound, so what reason do you have to think he's lying?
Stop throwing people into a generalized category. Music is subjective and not everything has some racist/bias-to-race foundation behind it or whatever is being implied hwre.
Bro you forgot to mention John Cena, one of the greatest white guys that raps of all time
I forgot about that 😂
@@kaylaniwoodson4537 bro he was in the video
And Macho Man Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan.
Really? I haven't seen him
It's funny cause there's a Murs track on you tube tHat randomly says ft. John cena
Imagine telling somebody that they can't do specific things because of their skin color.
THAT'S THE WHOLE HISTORY OF AMERICA FOOL ! The White Man told the Blacks they couldn't do a lot of things !
They can but em has the highest sells he has more sell than literally every other rapper mainly one better than him he’s overated because white people blindly support him
@@brentenrice or maybe, just maybe, he's good at rapping
@@leonardomalagoli9758 NAHHH that's too logical man
That happens it happens still to this day and threw out history a just not normally toward white ppl but not every fucking thing needs god damn white ppl in it the forced self involvement is sickening
i love that he completely ignored bones like this mane is one of the biggest in the underground scene got a lot of respectful collabs (like gangsta boo and project pat) and has a deep respect for the hip hop culture cmon man he 100% deserves to be in this conversation
WRONG! The most disastrous Grammy win was 2 years later when Taylor Swift's "1989" beat "To Pimp A Butterfly" for album of the year.
The Grammys are never giving a real rap album the album of the year
@NizzyNizerson The only problem with that is To Pimp a Butterfly is the greatest rap album of the 21st century. But unfortunately for the Grammys that doesn't matter
David Massawa Taylor Swift album was just better 🤷🏽♀️
ik u mfs are not saying TAYLOR SWIFT IS BETTER THAN KENDRICK
NizzyNizerson listen I don’t hate Taylor Swift but I think tpab should’ve won because it’s as good of a rap album as 1989 was a pop album. But what tpab stands for and it’s lyrical content is just on such a higher level than any album of Taylor Swift. I’m saying this again I don’t hate Taylor Swift I’ve listened to some of her songs of her past album and enjoyed them but lyrical content isn’t subjective.
“They weren’t trying to be accepted by the hip hop community, they were perfectly happy picking and choosing” yup there it is
share bear white pussy = complacency
spiritual lyrical individual. Spiritual miracle lyrical individua
thats how new styles are created. look at uzi. he didnt give a fuck bout ogs he did his own thing everyone hated on him even tho he black and now he a legend
this was said perfectly!!!
@@Lynn-iw2ds
A Legend how 😂😂😂
The world needs to End now.
I think being able to relate to rappers is a huge factor, too. I listen to some german rappers and most if not all are a minority in germany I can relate to as someone who is an immigrant themselves. I can't listen to Cardi B when all she rap about is being rich. Macklemore is just not the culture I am in and Eminem is closer to what I went through as the only polish kid in school. I love Kendrick because he talks about shit I care about, and on and on. I love Nicki because she doesn't flaunt her wealth too much but disses rappers, I feel connected as a woman in rap to her. It's quite hard to explain, but I guess you could boil it down to: People with privilege will listen to people who rap about privilege.
I can’t believe Macklemore won a grammy especially in that year of music
yeah, all of those albums should have won a Grammy if it was based on successes, hits, popularity, and impact. For me, GKMC would win 9/10 times in a rematch.
@@joe_omama 10/10
Macklemore was person who made rap but was not a hip hop artist
White privelage
@@thomasanderson7653 technically still 9/10 because Macklemore won it
As a black man Mac Miller will always have my respect dead or alive he knew his place and he really rapped not just rapping fast and changing voices
Rest In Peace mac
wait your black?
Are you implying something about Eminems relapse
Only white ppl say "as a black man I..."
Bruuh u are not black u are Arabic, there black and white people have the same mentally so u aren't considered black
Great video you definitely broke it down well
As a white guy who grew up in the suburbs but listened to hip-hop and R&B and hard rock & metal I absolutely agree with you here. I'm almost 40 so rap was very lyrical when I was a kid. Wu tang, cypress Hill, Nas ect. I will never forget when me and my best friend saw the slim shady video on MTV in the middle of the night. We both laughed and called it crap and we were sure Em would be a one hit wonder. Man were we wrong. I've come to really like some of Ems stuff but maybe 20 percent? I do however like some "clones" like Hopson and NF. I don't like mumble rap but hey that's because I'm old.
You should try looking up Eminem's first song, idk which Slim Shady song you watched but I feel you should know he didn't start there and just suddenly blew up cause he was white, he was writing music way before he touched any kind of succes and he got pretty good at it, iirc he only started blowing up when he got taken under Dr. Dre and trained by him to write lyrics that hit harder. If you've already seen his first song then you can feel free to ignore this comment
12:37 I think you missed the point of the video a little. You also don't seem like you look deep into eminem and just graze his stuff here and there. I love NF too tho.
@@shinobix4925 Infinite 🙌🏼
Which video are you talking about? Do you mean the music video to "The Real Slim Shady"?
I think the people that dont like mumble rap dont like it because they come at it from the perspective of what rap used to be, but nowadays rap has become a vibe, it doesnt matter what youre saying as long as it sounds good
This video: some white rappers are corny and some aren't
Just like some black rappers
@@everychannel1025 true that, it all depends on personality, not colour
@Fuck you Youtoo then you don't get out much there are plenty great white rappers
@Fuck you Youtoo Aesop Rock, RA, El-P can all rap. They rap cause they can and have a lot of stuff they feel is important to talk about. Also they are some of the most talented people their profession has ever seen.
The fuck, rap is rap regardless of whether it has a specific meaning. The only difference is one means something different.
If the only reason I blowed is 'cause I'm white though, Why don't every other white rapper sell what I sold? - Eminem
You have to good too
You also have to be good.
I'd say because he's known across the globe, like for real, the only "white" rappers i know are eminem, logic and mgk
@@300subscriberswithoutanyvideos Don't you find it funny how he avoided to use that verse, because he's pushing a narrative that only white people listen to him. Guess who's the most streamed international artist in Africa? Lmao
Slip Knot Actually it’s not Eminem! He’s not even in the top 20! It’s Sarkodie , FALZ, M. Anifest , Nasty C. , AKA, Kahiligraph Jones ect. I’m originally from São Paulo Brazil and called an African friend who now lives in Brazil....he told me that Eminem is bullshit in Africa...it’s only listened to by White people that live in Africa and not actual AFRICANS (black people) 😂👍🏾
Maaaaan I had the same reaction when I heard what’s poppin 😂😂
Edit: Also I won’t lie, even as a black man, I never really cared about the privilege of another persons skin. You make good music and I’ll bump it. A lot of the white boy rapper shit is cringe but a lot of the white boy rapper shit is fire as well. Take it one verse at a time
We need to keep having conversations like this! If we don’t then hip hop will become rock and roll
what you mean
@@zeitok8 it will slowly change into an all white Genre. Just like rock and other genres
@@enriquestewart5762 difetrent context and time, black people in the 50 and 60 weren´t just rock, it was jazz, blues, r&b, soul etc and all kind o fussions, nobody care about the color of Hendrix or Prince, game changers got their place in history. Hip Hop born half of century ago in the bronx, nothing is in danger, the danger to hip hop was already done years ago, it turn from party, social message and social jutice into a monopoly by the gansta cult to keep feeding the jails, the culture were robbed years ago, no matter the color, that is not hip hop, i don´t see breakers, dj´s, wall writers, is pop rap is on top years ago overshadowing true hip hop.
@@zeitok8 all of those genres you mentioned has been dominated by white artists once blacks started making each genre popular. It has everything to do with race. The direction of hip hop was steered by white dollars to devalue the Black product, while promoting a white product. There is an agenda to take over the genre because it’s the most profitable right now.
@@zeitok8 Hendrix and Prince was assassinated by the way. I wonder who was behind that. Prince always battled for artists rights and was conscious about how these white music labels control their artists. Jimmy got wine poured down his throat by white men until he died. Race is the factor. All the black musical legends are dead except for Stevie and I’m pretty sure they’re screwing his blind ass. He criminally under paid
Em was booed when he was starting over and over. He worked it all up, he swallowed all them embarrassment and anxiety. He was criticized because he was different. He didn’t fit into these
example of racism against whites within the rapping community yet everyone still thinks they got "privilege" in a literal music genre.
Did you watch the video
@@i-man872 😂
Damn his biggest struggle in his career was being hated on…thats crazy…he’s one of the best rappers cus he’s had to get over the hate….
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Post Malone isn't even a rapper he's just an r&b singer
But he uses rap beats .... that’s not fair
@@MrDiMES123 yeah true but I don't go by beats I go by how he sings and he sings like an r&b singer
Nah he’s a singer
He's a hybrid singer-rapper
Not even r&b he’s more pop then anything.
So what are your thoughts about guys like Derrick Green, or Lajon Witherspoon? Black dudes in metal bands (Sepultura and Sevendust respectively).
@@DrNekobeardThere is no need for any conversation. Don't give a damn if you are black, white or purple. People can do the music they want to do.
I’m white and I love eminems music I grew up on it. But I also grew up on way more black rap. 2pac was one of the best rappers and always tried to make the world a better place with his music
the problem i think with white rappers is that they try to emulate eminem. ex, rapping fast, over excessive use of big words and grunt rapping.
EL WIZARD yeah there needs to be more originality
Should we discredit and blame Em for that? Em payed respect to the OGs and has knowledge about hip-hop like no one else.
@@michelle2754 no not at all. Em is the OG paid his dues but white rappers today think if they follow the same formula they get big like smh
eminem is cringee
@@nikkeipvck8529 now he is but back in the 90s and early 2000s what he did wasnt thought of as cringe
This debate only makes sense within America. When you talk about rap all over the world race is not even a relevant thing anymore
@@user-sk5so9mj1l oh hooooooooo you need to educate yourself
Race always matters!
@H Flores nah the race thing is not as big in the rest of the world as it is in the usa
@H Flores. An issue only in USA. Europeans have no issue with race. Especially in Germany. Educate your dumb ass. Its illegal in many places of Europe to be openly racist whether you Black or White. Also look at Prince Harry and his wife.
Deadsea1993 Gaming you didn’t say all the racist comments directed at her? And all of Europe try to appropriate rap anyways. I’ve lived in Germany for 2 years and holy shit German rap is so bad. It’s obvious when people just do things because they are popular. German rap sucks literal shit because of it.
What about korean rappers? Like the idols from kpop groups, what you guys think of them?
Great video. Can you do one like this on lil Mabu? I want to hear your thoughts
He makes shit music, but culturally I personally think he's worthy of respect. He seems to parody Hip-Hop culture a bit, but he has collaborations with very prominent artists in his city like Fivio. Yeat is the only artist to emerge recently that simultaneously doesn't make terrible music and clearly respects the culture. I think Yeat is respected because he has a distinct sound, but also has clear influences. He's also innovating on trap music a LOT and that's why he's so popular and no one has said anything about him being white at all.
I totally didn’t give Mac any attention when he was coming up cause he really did play that role of a white rapper, until my friend put him on not too long before he died and I was thinking, “fuck did I really miss out on a legend?” Like he was just growing and now we’ll never get to see where he could’ve gone with that
I felt the exact same way, was even working at festival where he performed during my break but didn't bother to see him. I am now listening and loving all of his stuff regret that moment so much
I guess this is a lesson, don’t judge a book by its cover next time because once the book has been burned you’ll come running back wishing you could read it
travis la flame whoa ur lyrical 🤣🔥
Mac was not JUST growing. Mac grew into what “Swimming” and “Circles” IS. Definitely so much more to explore but we can’t make it seem as if Mac didn’t get the chance to grow. As a fan for 10+ years, i encourage you to listen to his early mixtapes, his work as “Larry Fisherman” and “Larry Lovestien”, all the way up to “Circles”. You will see the growth and it was beautiful. RIP MAC MILLER❤️
Lmao “just growing”. Pls stop
imagine logic seeing you categorize him as a white rapper, legendary
That's why he has to keep reminding people
He should stop caring at this point, if someone doesn't know he's biracial the memes will make them find out lol.
@@Prolificx if he stops talking about it the memes will die.
Well let's be honest here, logic is super pale. I have a feeling his dad was biracial, and his mom full white. Making logic like 1/4 African American at best. Im Irish and equally as tan as him lol
@@stever1412 When it comes to appearance it's a very confusing topic. I know italians that are darker than Jcole and they're considered to be white because they're whole family is just Italian.
I have this discussion with myself every time I come across a fellow albino who happens to be in the rap space. One guy I've found to be kinda cool and that I'm looking out for is Witt Lowry, but I'm gonna have to see what he does in the future
This is beyond ignorant. He said, in his exact words "Its purely because he's white and he is rapping, but is that so wrong of me to do?" Rapping may have been popularized by Black People, but there should be no racial barrier to any music genre.
Eminem deserves everything he got imo. He went through it to get started and it took him 3 albums to really get going (slim shady lp)
And as a black guy Eminem is my fav rapper of all time abd has some of my favourite albums if all time. But I ofc agree with the white America point, but I wouldn't credit all his success to him being white/having a white fan base. He has a very culturally diverse fan base and people like Kanye also now at least have a very very large white fan base aswell. And imo Eminem wasn't making "white hip hop" he was making hip hop for hip hop lovers, studying the great and inspiring future greats
Eminem nowadays has a culturally diverse fan base, but he has built that fan base off of the fact that he is white and white people are more marketable.
@@Cillixn not true at all. Em was famous all around the world and already had a multi cultural fanbase even in the late 90’s and early 2000’s
@@Shine-wb6ll why are you gatekeeping a show thats loved by people all across the world. yes you can be black and like anime in fact alot of black ppl like anime. stop being ignorant and asking stupid questions
AND IF U DIDNT NOTICE MY NARUTO IS BLACK THERE
You sir, have the soul of a white man and you have no one to tell you
@@titoadesanya9369 You sir can’t accept the fact that eminem has black fans. You sir have the soul of a white man.
1) You shouldn’t like a rapper simply bc he’s white
2) You shouldn’t dislike a rapper simply bc he’s white
Both are simple minded thinking and, yea, focused on race a bit too much.
So goes for Black Country singers, black rockers, etc.
You should look at the origin of country music, jazz, blues, etc.
@@wahuigi6843
Yep yep, that's also like saying Americans can't make dubstep or that Asians can't do reggae
@@PengyDraws that's not what I'm saying, I'm just stating that his example is false
@@wahuigi6843
Oh, yeah. Ok
@@PengyDraws still dubstep is considered to be so mainstream to the point to where it cant be associated with an ethnicity. If something is associated with an ethnicity (being apart of the culture) then yeah, if you're mocking the culture then you shouldn't partake in it. Some people do mock a culture. They do this by taking what made something great in a culture and distorting it to the point of unrecognition. This is bad because instead of giving homage to what you've contributed your success to, what usually comes out is a bastardized, low quality, corny/cringy, soulless product. This is what people mean when they say culture appropriation, while I believe that it has been used out of the right context a lot, making it lose it's meaning, I still believe that a lot of people do it. (In this situation, it's a rapper like token.
Ok, this is driving me insane. who is the group with the guy with the striped sweater?
my fav part was him saying "im not saying all of them are good" while showing tom macdonald footage. i hate tom so it had me in tears it was so funny
Just checked and he alone occupies 3 of the 5 lowest rated hip-hop songs on albumoftheyear. That has to be an achievement lmfao
Ya the existence of white rappers doesn’t bug me so much, like most of my regular rotation is black rappers but i fw Mac and lil peep, I don’t think Eminem is really that great but w/e. What bugs me is when you go look at videos from mfs like Tom Macdonald are so fkn many white dudes being like “I really dislike rap music but I’ll blast this with the windows down 👨🏻🦳”
@@dom7926 yea i know a lot about that cuz like my dad and my friends dad and i used to say that exact thing. now im not a conservative and also tom is just not good
It’s funny that my friend who just happens to be black, told his group of friends (also black), that his favorite rapper was Eminem. All of his buddies started laughing and calling him “white wannabe.” It kinda pisses me off that his friends didn’t like that he liked Eminem.
thats messed up
Fucked up
Shit man they don't have any respect
Eminem is also my favorite rapper, I'm not gonna lie when I was a kid I was kinda self-conscious about it, I felt like a "traitor", it also didn't help that I was one of those black kids who got teased for "being too white"
If your favorite rapper is Eminem in 2020....... you gotta get out more
God I feel bad for Macklemore. He didn’t ask for any of this
the heist isnt even a bad album but it definitely didnt warrant the win
who tf is macklemore. i think you mean snap crackle pop
@@flowthunder2659 Search up thrift shop
He'll live
the sad thing is he was one of the first ones of this trend where the rapper's songs are bigger than the actual rapper. He's humble, and cares for his craft and can make some really good music!
I'm a white artist, I've always been drawn to rap -- not exclusively, I mostly make other genres, but I've always been drawn to rap because I view it as expressive, vulnerable, and a really effective method of musical storytelling. I've been trying to write a rap for years and I finally think I've done it, and it's one of my most vulnerable pieces I've made. I just hope people don't shut down when they see me grab the microphone.
I’m from New Zealand and the Frat Rap wave never reached us. I’d never heard of any of those dudes you mentioned.
I'm white and i approve this message. Let the nerds get upset, their middle class lives are so hard already so they can handle some struggle.
Preach
Middle class??
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.” ― Oscar Wilde
You never really hear anything past flattery in that quote, huh
@@senza4591 True, the short form is weak sauce, the full quote is Oscar Wilde at his regular savage mode.
ImItAtIoN iS tHe SiNcErEsT fOrM oF fLaTtErY tHaT mEdIoCrItY cAn PaY tO gReAtNeSs
Aymen edgy?
But literally what he's saying was they didn't imitate they made it their own thing
Some of this stuff makes sense but as for Eminem. You can't claim he used "being white" as a booster for fame. Eminem respected the rap game and worked his way from the bottom. The reason Dre signed him rather than some other record label is, quote by Dre "everyone was racist against Eminem for being white and trying to join the rap community". They basically thought since he was white he didn't belong in the game. But Dre signed him and the rest is history.
Em is a bully, and Malcolm X warned Black folks about people like Em
Exactly he grew up poor and in a bad neighborhood and he had to work to get to the top
@@ahmadlalla5557 he's not that bad
Yeah. He knows that. That’s not what he was saying. You kinda missed the point
@@ahmadlalla5557 how is he a bully lmao
It really does suck that weather you're black or white, you will most likely come across some form of race-based struggle based on the color of your skin. If you're black, you won't grow as quickly in your prime as a white rapper, but if you're white, it's harder to get an initial takeoff due to people generally looking down on unpopular white rappers. The Hip-hop scene would be so much better without a racial devide imo.
I was in middle school in 2017 and suddenly rap god was everywhere, and at this time I didn't know shit about hip-hop and assumed it.was just normal, a couple years later I got completely immersed into hip hop and realised that it's "black music" but Eminem still tops the list for me.
Emeniem is not the best rapper ever
Mac Miller turned out to be surprisingly incredible
I go so far that he is actually the only white rapper who is not seen as cornd
He was never not corny to me for some reason
Mac Miller also had an incredible evolution
Dead, you misspelled dead.
Death doesn't make you amazing
I've never once decided I liked a song or an artist because of their race. Good music is good music and music that sucks, sucks. Anyone who only listens to music based on the artists race is limiting themselves.
and they are a racist
not only that chances are they have more bias that make listening to music just really hard in general
Completely missed the point of this video if that’s all you took from it
You never decided what music you liked for yourself. You just listen to what everybody else listen to. stfu
You can't spell crap without rap
Hip Hop skill has nothing too do with race but the individual person and the skills they can acquire with hard work and dedication.
Why are we making the assumption any black rappers care about the culture or where rap started? half of the big rappers now talk shit about tupac and biggie or have never heard of them, massive names say this stuff damn near weekly lmao.
Young people don't care about the past, it's nice when they do, guys like Eminem are historians for it, but it shouldn't matter how much they care about history if their songs are good
Instead of "white guys who rap", you should have called them "rappers who happen to be white". As you described El-P he puts being a rapper first and being white second.
Ethan Brown uhh did u watch the video? That’s exactly what he did
Marcus Summers Being white doesn’t take anything from other people, it was started by white people and who even gives a shit if you’re white if you’re a good rapper you’re not taking anything away you’re adding to the culture.
You're white arent you
@@gavinbundrock9141 Yeah, why?
@Ethan Brown only a white person would get offended at this vid lmao
Not that I completely agree with it but Eminem is considered one of the greatest rappers ever, so saying that he only has fame because he is white is absolutely bullshit I think.
Exactly! Even if he is white majority of his influencers are black
He grew up in the black rap era so he raised himself because of his skill
except no, one of the main reasons hes so popular is because people were like "wow, a WHITE GUY rapping? that's so edgy and quirky!!". he's really not that great and if he wasn't white, chances are he would be a lot less popular
He was literally carried to fame by Dr.Dre
@@sirdavid8650 that is completely wrong
Even tho he was raised by Dr.Dre
If he wasn't skillful his albums wouldn't get a songle sale consodered he was a white rapper in an era where all rappers where black
I'd love to see the Dislike ratio in this video.
Going by the comments, they're probably not in the creator's favor-- unless he has a loyal fanbase of like-minded people who go by a person's race when judging their skill.
There are probably 5 to 10 white rappers I thought were black before seeing them. Most of them are famous.
I just learned Yelawolf is white, probably because of Best Friend. Most of Eminem's features are black, so I just assumed he was.
The list of white rappers that are at the level of Eminem and members of NWA is short. And I used those two for reasons I hope is obvious.
@@Mr.Bumpty Thank you. I was hoping a you would come along.
Decent dislike ratio, but clearly he does have a like-minded following.
Awesome video. Honestly an awesome viewpoint of the subject, that while it's easy to notice the artistry of any race or genre its difficult to appreciate or notice the privilege of those groups as well. I will say a big part of this is also what people call mainstream or not. I think many of the names you mentioned enjoyed the current mainstream sound of their time and therefore played into it, meanwhile rappers like eminem make their sales off of the nostalgia points gained by "Em's classic sound". All of it just kinda culminates into people who rap for the fame and not for the game.
All in all, great message, and yes, I think the rap scene is and will continue to level out especially after the 2016-19 era of rap. Influential rappers that brought rap to the mainstay genre it is today, rapping off the shoulders of giants from the 90's and 2000's.
As a final note I'd like to throw one more rapper in the mix. Mike Shinoda of both Linkin Park and Fort Minor isn't readily considered a rapper, and considering the eventual genre position of Linkin Park, it makes sense, but I felt he really brought an artistry to rap and lyricsm, and grinded as much as any other to prove his place, and eventually found a sound that brought rap to an even further and wider audience without disrespecting the artistry of others. JayZ, who ended up doing the Encore remix of Numb with the group, has commented on Mike and his work before, commending it. And while a little corny to some, Mike's group Fort Minor made Remember The Name and other songs and albums that brought up many underground rappers but still became quite popular by way of just being good songs. Just a notable mention.
as a new Eminem fan, i promise it isn’t just nostalgia for Ems old music. It is genuinely 100x better 20 years ago. It’s just a fact!!
All latinos just reading this comment section with popcorn at hand 🤣🤣
Yea im hispanic and im sitting here like well i like dizzee rascal and stuff and i only heard of 2 eminem songs before this new album and i think the album is pretty fire
But what if we are white Mexicans?
@@alessandrotorres3537 I guess just stick to the one you feel more familiar with, but remember that there's a difference between race and nationality
Rubber Toes yeah here’s the problem for all white Latinos: we know we’re just Europeans stuck in Latin America
HipHipJorge ! I was raised the European way, and culturally I’m nowhere near Mexicans
As 2Pac said: "It ain't about black or white, cause we are all human".
Thats cherry picking quotes..
j.sll wish it could be that way...
It is about race, stop misquoting a Pro Black God
And yet his parents were from Black Panther Party. So, get over it, it is about race.
You take a sip from your Trusty Vault 13 canteen - STFU. “Race” matters because “whites” made it so. Rap/hip hop is a BLACK creation. It’s ours. It was made via our struggle with racism here. Leeches always try to be culture vultures with what we create. Create your own.
They had an advantage because of the colour of their skin (being white) but at the same time, they are being bashed because of the colour of their skin!
first scene had me on the floor... thought it was that eminem clone guy from tik tok lol
"Do you think Eminem's new album was ranked #1 on Metacritic because it deserved it or because of white America?"
Neither, it's because Metacritic is trash.
@UC9LH5GyXsMzjdPx4wJsgf7Qmtbmb was an 8/10 album, if you think it was garbage you're a moron
@@blakehentrup9343 you’re a degenerate if you think anything he’s dropped in the past decade is anything above a 2/10
Ems newest album wasn’t very good. I’d much rather listen to his first three
@@WyWid if you compare every album he releases to his first 3 then you will never be satisfied moron, he literally only has 2 bad albums and his last one was an 8/10 minimum
@@blakehentrup9343 I know how to read, that’s the second time you told someone that it was an 8/10 with reason. And I’m not comparing both eras of albums, I just genuinely didn’t like the new album as a whole. It just sounds like he’s trying way too hard, and it makes him sound cranky and angry
Beastie boys? True hip hop by three jewish kids. They earn every ounce of respect they get. And they were early on the scene as well.
I loved the NYC music scene of the 80s. The East Village/Tompkins Square Park was a real meeting place of the tribes: Punk, Ska, Hip Hop, Reggae etc. The Talking Heads, Tom Tom Club, Bad Brains, The Toasters, Fab 5 Freddy. Hip Hop was deservedly gaining new audiences, and I never heard this debate. IMO this has a lot more to do with what happened once the money started rolling in.
third bass was jewish as well. i guess the only respected white rappers are new york jews lmao (i'm not being antisemitic just making a joke)
@@saintnicole3209 Not to be "that guy" but I don't think Pete Nice is Jewish. He went to a catholic high school. And Richie Rich was black...Just sayin!
@@michaelotoole8958 you're right. i knew one of them was black. i should have mentioned that they were one of the first big interracial hip hop groups.i'm pretty sure mc search is jewish, i probably should have looked up pete mice's background before i made assumptions. thank you for informing me!
Anyone who brings up "white privilege" is a joke and racist.
LMAOOO hearing that Rocket Ship comparison & seeing where we are now with Jack Harlow is hilarious
Bro, the biggest Asher Roth song is “I love college”.. he def not indie rap lmao
He just didn't have much else radio wise and this became so called indie Rap.
Alfo: white rappers are corny
Hopsin: allow me to introduce myself....again
@@Anonymousdeletedaccount... As much as I love his music....
Joyner Lucas: Allow me to introduce myself
But he corny
Not what we were talking about, we were talking about corny rappers
@@Anonymousdeletedaccount... I'm a big fan of Joyner but some of his stuff does get pretty corny. He still good tho
@@Anonymousdeletedaccount... y'all have reading comprehension problems and OP doesn't realize how he wrote what he did.. he did, by association, write about white rappers and corn.
How are you not seeing this??
if you want to be a rapper and your white , follow mac miller as an example he wasn’t problematic, he respected the art and appreciated the history of the genre
There are so many black rappers today that doesn't respect the art and history though, they just want clout and fame.
Nothing is worse than the Eminem Jrs. Luckily there is only one of them that is popping RN
@ImInfinite MidWest his true Pupils are NF and Hopsin. His failed pupils are numerous
People still didnt respect Mac tho
I may be wrong but didn't mac steal a beat from Lord finesse?
I guess NF is either underground or still stuck in the "Christian rap" category
That aside, definitely a good video that I'm glad I watched all the way through. It really sucks that ulterior motives undercut so many things in our culture
THAT COFFEE POT LINE IS THE PROBLEM WITH EMINEM ! WHAT KIND OF BULLSH*T IS THAT ? HIS MIND SHOULDN'T EVEN COME UP WITH SILLY WORDS LIKE THAT ! CAN YOU IMAGINE JAY Z OR RAKIM OR ICE CUBE SAYING SOME DUMB SH*T LIKE THAT ? ABSOLUTELY NOT !
I've be trying to chill, bitches wanna fuck me / Every little city I go, fuck me- Jay z 😂😂😂😂.
His flow is even more asss
“The ones that hate me the most look just like me” - jack harlow
THAT’S WHAT HE MEANT
I look nothing like him.
@@RandsomeHam then you probably don’t hate him the most
@@Smoke--- Somehow I hate him more than that. Like, if my hate for him were people, it'd be everyone, ever.
Seriously though, I'm just playin'. Hating another human being for making music you don't like is ridiculous
I dont look like him lol
I'm not saying Ems race didn't help, but he's not one of the goats because he's white.
@Prepare your ass because pablo in other words
his dick shrunk smaller but his balls got larger
Prepare your ass because pablo he’s one of the goats for his lyrics and musical content
As on Kamikaze, “If the only reason I blow is cuz I’m white though, why don’t every other white rapper sell what I sold?”
Leoven That’s just simply not true. I’m not saying he’s THE definitive G.O.A.T but to not acknowledge his as one of the goats is ridiculous.
Leoven ‘At his best he was mediocre’ Yeah, okay. You can have your opinion, even you’re in such a small..small minority.
Chris Webby is a student of the game, some of his earlier music was fratty but he has always shown respect for hip hop and OGs. He’s worked with Bun B, Prodigy, Joel Ortiz, Method Man, etc.
I might admit, when I first heard Mike stud's "this isn't the album" i thought it was fire and made by a black guy, then i searched for more of his work and instantly regretted, one of my biggest cases of separating the art and the artist
Eminem went through just as much as any other rapper, he deserved every award he ever got.
bruh he went through more, have you seen his documentary??
Bruh ... I'm not even gonna tell you. You clearly don't know anything about rap history or America
Eminiem's fans are the thing that makes him unbearable. I mean he literally trys to get them into the rap artist that inspired him and they completely disregard it and only listen to or talki about Eminiem as the GOAT and the epitome of rap.
@@Treize132 What about it? you like what you like. His fans hans nothing to do with him, judge him for him not for who likes him, you to fucking stupid to do that, then thats on you.
Pack it up, pack it in, let me begin
I came to win, battle me that's a sin
I won't ever slack up, punk you better back up
Try and play the role and yo the whole crew'll act up
Get up, stand up (c'mon!) see'mon throw your hands up
If you've got the feeling, jump across the ceiling
Muggs lifts a funk flow, someone's talking junk
Yo I bust him in the eye, and then I'll take the punk's hoe
Feelin', funkin', amps in the trunk and I got more rhymes
Than there's cops at a Dunkin' Donuts shop
Sho' nuff, I got props
From the kids on the hill plus my mom and my pops
I came to get down, I came to get down
So get out your seat and...
Just sayin'
Saying Eminem isn't respected in hip hop community is such a joke while you can see people on forums and youtube comments disrespecting him most top rappers really respect guy.From best rappers of this age like Kendrick and Cole who openly said that he was one of their idols to goats like Rakim who said that Eminem was great lyricist.That part really rubbed me wrong way and I'm not even big Eminem fan but guy went through the hell his whole life to get here and now people on internet are disrespecting him like he didn't do anything for culture.
Hexing ON Amen
Hexing ON Yeah he talked about how Mac Miller had to fight his way to the top and totally dismissed the struggles that Eminem went through to get where he is now.
Em treats the world like trash then gets mad when the world treats him like trash back.
@Prepare your ass because pablo im talking more about post mmlp2 Eminem but yeah i agree with that statement however hes worth millions of dollars and probably fucks on the daily so i dont understand why hes still phased by internet haters
@@pumpkinsmasher8346ems life was trash since birth, raised and treated like shit for the longest time, you think you can just sell millions of albums and get over what you built your success on.
American people really have nothing better to do
the dumbest are the loudest, doesn't really matter where they come from.
As a white guy I’m definitely in agreement with you. I appreciate the distinction between white guys that rap and white rappers.It’s something I’ve thought about a lot.
To me Hip-Hop is all about being dope and relatable, It don’t matter being black or white I wish this topic would just die. I don’t buy hip-hop records because a rapper is black or white
This dude just sounds super woke and goofy explaining how “white people” have more privilege when it comes to success in the rap industry.
Clive Matthews but Asian tho?
Amen bro
Tuxedo Mask Kenny but you do see some hidden truth behind that right?
Abdul Sesay Are you referring to the obvious truth that is the predominant white population in America? I’m sorry but the video in question seems to disregard this truth as a means to push an agenda
Iggy could've gotten a pass in the rap community if she could actually rap well.
CAUSE OF HER BODY MAYBE ....
She completely discarded her accent, she will always sound inauthentic to me. She’s the most famous australian rapper and she doesn’t sound australian. it was a missed opportunity imo.
@@reylime2991 You mean there are MORE...? 🥺
🤣🤣🤣
@@futuredimension3658 yeah if you go out of your way to look for them
@@reylime2991 Then there are NOT! 😂😂😂
If we didn't hesitate on Jack Harlow, we would've never appreciated the good stuff. If we didn't feel a moment of weirdness, we would've only liked Jack Harlow for being white. Which is why thinking a moment is good, because you can actually appreciate that he isn't a "WHITE0 rapper
The problem with white rappers-
my brain:
they can't say the N word haha that's about it.
literally my exact thought
Yep
100% true
Okay nigga.
💯 That's it, everything else is hate
Eminem doesn't discriminate
he will offend you whether you're black or white
Male or female or straight or gay
Clint Krazer Anims his music just sucks
@pvp bendy he literally just said his shit got cornier, that's a pretty good reason. And if you're gonna ask what corny is as a counter argument, don't bother, it's a concept word that people either understand or don't.
lilswaggin onbitches now I agreed with yo on the shit you said but that scram nerd thing gotta go
he doesn't make black music he doesnt make white music, he makes fight music for high school kids.
I might had missed it but was NF mentioned?
The problem is that it necessitates them using a fake blaccent. Which is intrinsically so cringe. When you find out that’s how they actually talk as well, that’s just as cringey in its own way, as if they just affect the blaccent while rapping.
Well if u are referring to em he grew up where that "blaccent" was based
most vocalists put on a different voice when rapping or singing to a certain extent, that what makes it more than just talking. Playboi Carti doesn't talk in a baby voice all the time. White rappers generally don't put on a "Blaccent" as in approximating AAVE when rapping. The only one I can think of who does that is Iggy Azalea.
EL-P, Beastie Boys, EMINEM all LEGIT to the culture.
Beastie Boys were one of the original hip hop acts.
Mac too
@SCP-939 Lyrical Miracle bullshit is inane multi rhymes going nowhere. Aesop's tracks often do have themes, they're just really dense. The Impossible Kid is his most streamlined release, like, I don't know how you could listen to something like Rings and think it's lyrical miracle shit.
@SCP-939 wtf is lyrical miracle bullshit?
@SCP-939 Lupe and k rino and black thought nahhhh. More like Aesop rock and sometimes em.
This is a very Gen Z "I wasn't alive to understand the context and times, but I want to speak on this" perspective. Claiming that Eminem is only as wildly accepted and popular because he is white is bullshit. Eminem was accepted in spite of being white because of the work he put in, the connections he made and most importantly, the talent that brought him up, was brought up with him and that later, he supported. He is prolific because he postioned himself throughout 3 distinct generations of music.
he literally mentioned that for a long time white rappers have more trouble being accepted in the rap community, but ok.
@@jayn5543 He outright claims it's like a steady acceleration rocket versus a slow to fuel, quick takeoff rocket. Implying that being white just means once you handle the adversity, success is guranteed, which is just 100% false, by that logic, why aren't logic and lil dicky as popular and successful as Eminem. I have no problem with conversation, but comparing Jay-Z and Eminem is stupid. Eminem put a lot of work and time and positioned himself in ways throughout the years to achieve the success he gets now. I understand why children don't get that, because y'all weren't alive, but that it absolutely not the historical context. His albums were some of the inciting incidents for parental advisory labels on CDs and he appear in court and in front of congressal hearings several times to justify his art form.
@@DoubleDOwnage And he's right, reminder that Eminem won grammys in the early 2000s and the Marshall EP was one of the fastest selling albums in that period, even I admit that early Eminem was a good artist but NO WAY was he even near the level of the best rappers in the game at the time, MF DOOM alone was dropping shit like Madvillainy and Vaudeville Villain at the time which went on to inspire an entire generation of rappers.
So I still think he does have a point, Eminem being white definitely contributed to his huge commercial success.
@@skepticcat2443 Not really. Every time someone tries to boil something down to one simplistic explanation like "definitely due to him being white", it's usually a gross misrepresentation of reality. There's a very long list of reasons why Eminem exploded like he did, and being white was a very small part of it. Eminem has also inspired an entire generation of rappers, other artists and many, many people from all walks of life across the entire planet. It goes deeper than just "he's white." Most of the world isn't White.
P.S. DOOM also really only exploded in the underground after Em's prime.
@@simonbright2975 No one is saying Eminem is only popular due to him being white, but him being white is a huge and undeniable factor in his colossal commercial success, it gave him access to an entire untapped demographic that would otherwise not listen to hip hop music, especially during the early 2000s due to gangsta rap being the dominant form in the mainstream, I agree that artists like DOOM or Freddie Gibbs aren't the best pick to compare since their works were never radio friendly to begin with, but even if we look at artists like Kanye or Kendrick, both people who made some of the best records in mainstream hip hop, we can still see them overshadowed by Eminem's extremely average later works in the 2010s, hell Macklemore won the grammy over those two, if that isn't indicative of white privilege I don't know what is.
It's not so much about Eminem himself, it's more about the audience that listens to him and why they do so, I guarantee you a majority of people who listen to Eminem are completely ignorant about the history of hip hop or the classics of the genre, Eminem is all but musically a pop artist, he is treated like one by the mainstream, and even he admits so in his own words, the quote is right there in the video.
This video can easily apply to any industry with one race who so clearly dominates/is the vast majority. As a fan of a very wide variety of sports (American football to motorsports to athletics to rugby to MMA) that's mainly where I see it but I'm sure it's a similar story elsewhere. People of another race will be treated differently for better AND worse. They will either try too hard to change to fit in or be so dismissive of changing that they disrespect their industries culture. The best advice would be to be yourself regardless of who you are while having a love for your chosen industry and being respectful of what comes with that.
“If the only reason I blow is cuz I’m white though, why don’t every other white rapper sell what I sold?” - Em
YES THANKYOU, I WAS WAITING FOR SKMEONE TO DROP THIS
@H Flores even if he sold half what he has he would still be one of the most selling rapper ever
@H Flores but the next line is literally "but i can rap". Which he can. He is one of the most skilled lyrically and i think is undeniably the best lyrically out of the big names
@H Flores There will never be another rapper like him period. Em's his own thing when it comes to his niche, and no white rapper will reach his success because the stigma of all these race-baiting rappers who rap just to ride off the white rapper gimmick will stick with them, and none of them will accept the fact that they got a boost from white fans who want to see a white guy rapping on stage. They won't accept that those people exist. And if they do, and they accept that they do have an inherent advantage on startup, some still won't handle it well. The reason Em is still respected is because he acknowledged it but didn't feed it. unlike Tom McDonald and all the other shitheads who DO feed into it today. It's about the art, and the sooner someone stays true to that as a white guy, the sooner people will be cool with them. Otherwise they only get white fans who are too afraid to listen to people like Vince Staples or some of the older shit because It makes them uncomfortable based on their skin.
He literally quoted the same song but left that part out. Talk about selective hearing.
Tldr: be like Earl:
"Peace to who came before me in the game
We givin' praise and glory to your name, kid
We cellophane your story so it stays"
Hasorane thank you for quoting the goat
mf doom and earl are super dope Between Villians is awesome
There's so many quotables on Some Rap Songs
"HipHop is black music without question. But unfortunately for some people it is tough to accept that you got a White artist that does it better than Black artist"
- 50 Cent
"random Eminem clip plays"
Stay tuned for... "The Problem w Light Skinned Rappers"
It’s weird, most of the time I listen to white rappers it sounds soo corny and almost off putting like it doesn’t feel authentic, but artists like suicide boys, Mac Miller, BROCKHAMPTON and some other white rappers I don’t mind because they aren’t trying to fit in. They’re doing something different instead of just rapping really fast. You have something else to focus on instead of they’re race. When I listen to them it’s never really my first thought what race they are but that they’re music is good. But listening to guys like Nf and Chris webby it’s so much more noticeable
Yeh its surprising that Alfo didn't mention Matt and Joba
@@syko.uk. Matt's Asian, and he showed clips of them at the end of the video
Truth
I wouldn’t say that NF is a stereotypical white rapper. He is a great lyricist and he doesn’t try hard to fit in. He’s kind of in his own lane and his fine with that. I’m not saying you should like him but, he is definitely genuine with his music.
Cade England yeah. I agree w this. I’m not a massive nf fan as he’s just not my type, but it’s not down to his race that I dont like, I just don’t really like his style
as long as you like their music it doesnt matter what color their damn skin is.
Fr
Exactly
And as long as you are not racist too Cuh
@nothingperhaps
Why?
Music isn't locked to specific races.
If I was to say "black folks shouldn't be allowed to play death metal, or heavy metal (as examples) because it white folk who came up with those genres"..........everyone would be angry and cry racism........it works both ways.
Race shouldn't limit creativity, so there is no need for any kind of conversation about it.
@nothingperhaps
Nae bother fanny baz.