The Video Gibson Doesn't Want You To See...Perfect SG Contours With Your Router Table!
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I have always had a thing for the Gibson SG shape. Hell, my first guitar was a Gibson SG, so was my second. I knew that it had to have been done on a shaper of some kind and with the help of Steve from Maximum Guitarworks the mystery is now solved.
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Loved watching this Matt! I've been really sick but things seem to be getting figured out. It's super nice to be back to watching you and "The Other Guy". My kinda content. Thx!
Awesome content! Took me two days to watch it but it was worth it, AND Steve shows up at the end! Looking forward to seeing Matt build this one, cool challenge. Just waiting for Steve's set neck build all template sets to become available. Great job Matt
Awesome brother I'm glad you enjoyed it, I think these will be really popular with our workshops and Steve's customers too. Thank you!
Very nicely done; I always enjoy watching your videos because of the hands-on approach.
this is the kind of content that got me hooked on your channel a few of years ago. Iy's amazing to see the evolution of your processes over a three year timeline. really great stuff.
Hi Donald, good to hear from you amigo
Great video, thanks Texas Toast and Steve. I'm very excited to get my hands on this template set. That bit is amazing!
Glad you like it Tom, I know you are going to dig them
Great video !! Love Steve's templates !! What a genius that guy is !! Awesome job!!
Couldn't agree more Mike. This one should be a game changer for people who want to build their own SG style guitar.
Excellent video, and I love Steve's work as well.
Very interesting video. The SG seems like an ideal candidate for a through-neck build, due to its characteristic problems at the neck joint. Your solution for the neck pocket is a big improvement.
Building a SG-type guitar at home. Your channel has been of invaluable assistance.
Interesting coming across this as I'm building my first SG type right now. I've already done the bevels with Shinto saw rasp and Iwasaki files, but haven't decided on the neck joint yet. It's a 24 fret and I just radiused the fretboard. Honduran mahogany with an imbuia top and slice of wenge in between at 1 1/2" total thickness. Imbuia headstock cap, too. Pao ferro fretboard with wenge dots and binding. It also has the p/u selector in a LP position and a Strat output jack on the back.
Really looking forward to this one! A SG is something I've been meaning to make for some time, I know this will help big time.
You know I'll never do them by hand again
Thanks for not editing. It’s cool to see the real time process!!! Excellent video
Glad you enjoyed it we caught some flak from a guy who claimed to be a TV producer about not editing HAHAHA
My life is SHIT but watching your videos makes my life feel like a million bucks!! I love watching this sort of thing and I could listen to you forever. Your no bullshit way of doing this and your low key laid back attitude make for great viewing and entertainment. Thank you brother - ROCK ON!!
Matt, I'm sure you know about this but here's my tip, which has saved me much trouble and grief while shaping mahogany in particular but many woods with similar characteristics: When the hook angle on your router or shaper bit's cutting edge (or hand tools like rasps too, actually) threatens to grab and rip out chunks on curves, corners or occasional 'runout' sections along the endgrain, long edges or faces where the grain structure 'opens,' back off from the normal forward cutting direction in that part and 'climb cut' or back into it so there is little or no hooking action. Takes a sensitive touch and caution that the machine doesn't hurl your workpiece into the wall or coworker because you'll be pulling the work past the cutter rather than pushing toward or into it. Also a nice trick for a quick cleanup pass after completing your initial wasting and shaping passes cutting forward. Love your work, man!
Climb cutting is something we do not recommend here. Having said that I sometimes do it myself but only in rare instances.
Rather, we recommend larger cutting tools as in diameter... The shaper has a 3" cutting head and it's size gives you nice clean chip free cuts.
I would NEVER climb cut with it.
I have also rarely seen CNC machines that have a climb cutting tool path.
I know it does work but, like I say, I don't recommend it.
Super cool. I have done similar carves with a rasp and it takes a bit to get the transitions right.
Great video !! And awesome Matt ... look forward to seeing it !! :)
Oh dude this is the kind of video I’m in to. I’m stoked.
Very neat work. Great time saver
Nice. I've made a couple SG Diablos (can't be fully done your way in this video) mine were also 24 fret as well, and I've always wondered why Gibson puts on those spacers instead of 2 more frets.
This was pretty interesting. For those wondering, you can do the same thing with good files without too much effort. I think this way is quicker and more consistent.
If you could show a way to get the neck angle set for good bridge height every time, that would be cool (sorry if you already did)
I think that would be a great video idea sir
I made an SG using a good template that had the contours just etched onto it. Had to trace with paper, cut it out on the body, and use a saw rasp to create all the bevels. Went faster than you'd think, but not THIS fast. I'd need to have a big demand for my SG's to justify a router bit this specialized.
It is pretty slick that's for sure. I rather like binding on SG guitars too
Wow! Thank you. I'm not a guitar builder but those angles always messed with my head. I knew they were done with power tools of some sort, but just how was a mystery to me.
I knew it was some kind of cuter too but never tried to wrap my brain around it more than just knowing it was some kind of cutter HAHAHA
I think we will build a lot of these in classes
I am pretty sure the originals were cut the old fashioned way, using a saw and chisel
Where I can buy this bit? I need to do same contour on my future project washburn 3st (Dimebag model). There we have same contours on the body sides
Love watching these🤘
Thanks Eric
I subbed. Great videos. Thanks.
Thanks so much brougham
I remember seeing tony iommi with some sort of custom made SG sometime in the 90s that was really cool. It was mahogany with a clear finish and i remember it having the strap button on the upper horn and a tremolo. Dont know why but i really wanted one like it
I'm making a Jackson RR-style in the near future...
This made me understand how those tapered bevels can be made!
It really made my head spin, but since it's all veyr straight lines, that can be pretty easy to do.
I was just thinking about how this would work for a RR style guitar. Literally what I was here to comment 😁😁
Jackson custom shop does them with belt sander by hand, production line is CNC. My guitars are rasped but i initially built my templates for this purpose
Awesome stuff!
fantastic video. Just terrific to watch!
Thanks Andy
Great to hear from you brotherman
@@TexasToastGuitars I really think the cooperative mojo you have going with other guitar building specialists is dynamite - and offers a tremendous value to anybody tuning into the TTG channel. Love all the connections and good karma!
Excellent video but what band saw blade are you using to get such smooth cuts?
Great video Matt!
You da man!
Thanks Mark
Hi Matt, Where can I get one of those Chamfer bits to make the edge on the SG? Great Video Too!
Check out Maximum Guitar Works
Does anyone know where the router bit can be purchased (in the UK is preferable), I can't see any on the website.
That’s cool. I think you need two templates though and have them extend the line past the points so you don’t get the messy bits at the end.
That would certainly do it, maybe I'll do a test one of those
i heard those two chips when they happened, caught the bit in that curve when it switches from forward to reverse if you know what i'm trying to say
No burns. Good technique along with the bit!
exactly what i needed to see for my mockingbird build
Oh yeah man that would be the same kinda cool deal wouldn't it
Just a thought, wouldn't an oscillating spindle bobbin sander set at the correct angle (same as the chamfer angle) be perhaps better ? Sure it will take longer and be more messy but no tear out and sometimes the long way round gives better results. Great video! 👍👍
I did it faster and with no tear out... didn't you see the video
@@TexasToastGuitars Yes I did and enjoyed it very much. I'll be catching up on all your previous ones. I was thinking ahead and it would be easy to construct a simple tilting table so you wouldn't be tied to standard existing cutter angles. Great service you're providing. Many thanks.
Matt that would look ace in aged Pelham blue with a stinger behind the headstock!
Let's do it!
where can i buy that special bit?
Cool router bit. Is Steve selling these too?
Yes, though I don't know if he is selling them separately. I left a link to this product
Makes perfect sense once you see it
Gibson's Tony Iommi signature SG had 24 frets and Epiphone SG Prophecy, and Modern. And the body I like best is the ESP LTD Viper also has 24 frets.
I love the 24 fret options too my friend
Lovely stuff TT love the skunk stripe brother you rock it well,im probaly gonna piss Gibson off and make an SG with a Strat neck and Tele pickups ,a real Frankenstein build 😁🤘
That gray hair is all natural too HAHAHA the older I get the more reliced I get
Thanks for the kind words brotherman
You relic well
@@TexasToastGuitars your welcome brother, I know all about the grey n relic HAHAH
Typical blanks in StewMac are 1 3/4”
Gibson SG bodies are 1 3/8.” Do you use a planer? How did you get board down to correct thickness?
Also, I appear to be missing it in the video - what size chamfer bit is that you've got there?
That bit came from Steve at Maximum Guitars. I'm not sure what size it is but it is an optional accessory that works with his templates
Thank you. Steve from Maximum Guitars got back to me. Keep the excellent videos coming. :)@@TexasToastGuitars
Was it because of the wood that you had so few tears? With my 2nd guitar I have so many tears after milling..... 1 guitar was mahogany and the second swamp ash with a continuous neck maple purple heart. I have so much rework to do... Frustrating
Where did you get that great chamfer bit??
Steve at Maximum Guitarworks
I can't find the bevel bit. I went all through Steve's site, found the templates, found other tools, not the bit.
Hi everyone. So 4 years ago I had an idea for a guitar. It would be a semi hollow no f holes, any body style with a Fender or Gibson scale length but with only 19 frets. I've noticed that in my 30 years of playing I've very rarely went past the 19th fret. This would give enough space for 3 or 5 pickups HSH with splitting humbuckers or SHSHS where I could vire it as a Gibson and a Strat with a 3 Rd switch that would be dedicated to switch between the Strat or Gibson wiring.
If you want please feel free to use this idea to build your own. I think it would be an interesting build. Also the different tones that it would give with a SHSHS would definitely be a unique build. Please feel free to use the idea if you wish, and good luck with the build.
Hmmmm
That is a compelling idea.
@@TexasToastGuitars when I save enough for a custom guitar I'll get me one of those.
@@TexasToastGuitars Have you seen the MusicMan Steve Morse model? It's very close to the commenter's suggestion, with 22 frets.
Hey guys are you still offering courses?
Yes
i love this
Do you think you could get a wireless body mic so we can understand what you're saying better without all the room reverb?
I get what you are saying my friend, sorry if you have trouble hearing .. we try to focus on organic, in-shop videos here. We are guitar builders first and CZcams content creators, well, not even really second.
whats the size of this part?
Hey Matt, from the UK.
Some of use impoverished would-be makers don’t even have a router table, and are stuck with using plunge routers!
So would the process simply be upside down for us?
Best wishes
Me.
I believe you could accomplish this with a plunge router, but with a bit that size you would definitely need proper work holding, and of course nerves of steel.
Wy don't you drill little holes along the inner contour on the template every inch or so so then you can mark them thru to the body and know how the shaping needs to occur..
I don't know
Wonder if these will work on my new DD/T-style? 🤣 The thing is solid ash and weighs 9.4 lbs!
Buy a lavaliere but, fix your sound! It is extremely difficult for us 🤪☺️ guitarists to hear nuances & inflections in your very knowledgeable narration when you're talking in an "empty basement".(didn't mean to infer dispersions on the shop, just trying to convey how it sounds!)
Now do one on the best wood filler to use on all the tearout that occurs when you run a gigantic chamfer bit over end grain.
lmao this guy gets it
I've heard, (from a few people now), that the acrylic templates can sustain damage from the sometimes intense heat that is generated from the friction of the router bit, then transferring to the bearing, which is obviously riding on the acrylic template.
I've heard this can be a real problem.
like all heat management ..... take a break and let things cool down
I can tell you, with all certainty, that when using my beloved pin router you have absolutely no issues with heat transfer to the acrylic template.
When I was younger, I always thought sgs were supposed to be symmetrical. I never really liked that close... Seeing Page with his doubleneck... That thing was symmetrical. So I always thought that the rest were... And I was always thinking something was off when I saw them offset.
Then later I found out regular sgs were actually asymmetrical. I never really looked hard at sgs until more recent years.
Yeah, those little quirks don't seem obvious and you grow blind to them. It's the same for me with the Les Paul Double Cut. For years and years I didn't notice that the bass side horn was always longer than the one on the treble side.
@@PikkaBird yup... Same kinda thing
I built an SG inspired Bass a couple of years ago, but I can't remember how I did those bevels. Anyway,......... You guys make much nicer looking versions of these guitars. Either Fender or Gibson type. And in some way because of the headstock. Gibson & Fender have two of the ugliest headstocks ever . Yours looks so much better 💜💜 Sarah
Thank you so much Sarah, it is always good to hear from you my friend
I am sure this stuff is expensive to buy into, especially if you only want to make 1 or 2 SG's, however, you can always keep all the packages and boxes etc, and then resell the kit once you are finished, getting most of your money back.
Building guitars has never been a good way to SAVE money
HAHAHA
My 2018 SG special has 24 frets. Right to the p90 (replaced minibuckers it came with). All SGs should have 24 frets. Tony Iommi said he tried to get Gibson to make him one with 24 for years and they said it was not possible for some reason.
The more I look at this the more I think Mr. Iommi is 100% right
Constructive criticism: There is too much echo on this video. You should get a wireless lapel mic. I have a '73 SG and a 2005 SG and the body contures are much more dramatic on the '73. I like SG's but the neck pickup is in the wrong place because the necks would break off on the first SG's.
What are your thoughts on a 25.5 scale on this SG?
Sure thing Curtis... I mean, this one is done already but you could easily use a different scale. We have started to cut the fret slots after the fretboard is glued on so it wouldn't be a big deal.
The only issue you would need to sort out would be the bridge locations. As you know, also not a huge deal just something you would need to remember.
Having said that... you could ask Steve to build you the template set you want with the scale you want as well.
Guitar builder's are about doing the same design of strats and LP guitars when are things gonna change for the better results of these old models
Beats me
As the owner of Gibson I demand you take this video down now! Lol thanks for the informative videos. Currently building an explorer type with a reverse suhr style headstock. Just finished cutting my first spoke style truss rod groove. came out great and I have Texas Toast videos to thank for the courage to just say fuck it and start building. Now i"m on my fifth build!! Thanks guys
That is great to hear Jason, I like your style my friend
I've done 2 SG bodies and both times, the bevels were done by hand. Not fun... This should be good to watch.
I think you will really dig this brougham. I know that I will NEVER do this by hand again. We are in C&D territory here for sure
I heard the President of Gibson was actually crying and has lost 20 pounds, because you used an SG shape. I wish I had the skill and equipment to make my own guitars. I think the vast majority of viewers don’t make their own stuff, but just enjoy watching others do it.
p.s.
Lookin good Mrs. Toast!
We don't really use that moniker anymore
Looked at maximum guitar works and router bit is not there.
You will need to contact Steve directly, he is his own entity and I have no control over his business or website
@@TexasToastGuitars What is the appr9oximate cost of the router bit? Thank you!
@@shasba again... You will need to contact Steve at Maximum Guitar Works
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That’s some fire ass bandsaw action, I’d had murdered it
Thank you Vann, that is a nice thing to say, I like your style. You could do it too with a little practice my friend
Have a great weekend
@@TexasToastGuitars plan on it! Scares me with how expensive wood is these days to “practice” on quality!!! By the way I wrote you guys on Instagram. Found out that the house that’s talked about in the song “La Grange” is still standing but they’re letting it go to waste…. Bet if you got some of that old dried lumber to reclaim from it you could build a fire guitar for billy gibbons….. just thinkin… texas band, texas legend, texas guitars….
where is part 2?
There is no part 2, I don't even know what that would be?
I've been adding bevels and contours with an angle grinder equipped with a 45 grit flapper wheel for years, and haven't looked back. It's not for everyone, and there is some follow up work to do, just like with this template and cutter set, but for making a half dozen guitars per year, it's far cheaper. Makes a helluva mess. Best done outdoors if possible.
Building guitars has never been about SAVING money
@@TexasToastGuitars Agreed, but so far I've been lucky, or resourceful depending on how you look it at. I've at least broken even on any guitar I've built and sold. It's not my main gig though, and I use a lot of reclaimed wood. Where I live there has been a lot of old homes and buildings being demo'ed for new development over the last few years. It takes time, and often you need permission to dig through building rubble, but I've found old hard pine, Douglas fir, some mahogany, some old, incredibly hard birch. Got a few 8' long x 2" thick ambrosia maple shelves from a school reno a couple of years ago.
I build guitars with no guarentee of selling them, so I limit my expenses wherever possible.
Drum sander is what i was told
That could be
I don't want any trouble for you, but I wonder if Gibson will ever come down on CZcamsrs who share instructions on how to fabricate Gibson models. They did just win a lawsuit against Dean and one of the charges was counterfeiting, despite the fact that Dean did not use the Gibson logo or headstock. All I'm saying is, it's better to keep a low profile, when it comes to any issues with Gibson. Just my 2 cents.
Another thought, SG chamfers on a Strat body ????
Not long ago The Gibson channel released a promo film from 1967 where they show a few machines and people making various guitars, including what looks like the SG model being routed on a gear-based looking template. I can't remember the name of this method of machining but just wanted to mention it. But Your method looks good, too. Great channel!
Here is the footage czcams.com/video/3-zOaOYB120/video.html
Hey that was pretty slick, thanks for posting the video Neil
I'm currently 60% of the way through shaping my homemade sg clone by hand and every 30 minutes or so I very angry and contemplate spending a bunch of money on tools to make this easier.
👀🎸👍
The SG is probably one of the most beautiful body shapes out there, however is has the worse neck joints as well, why not fix this issue when building this good looking guitar?
Camera person need to zoom in on certain shots ....
I really doubt Gibson cares about any of this considering the amount of space, money & practice/skill one would need to just to be equipped to do any of this themselves.
You are 100% correct.
I'll even add that Gibson has no idea we are even alive and wouldn't care even if they did.
The fact is that titles like this generate views ,so, that is why we use them.
the ECHO in this video is WAY to Loud
Crimson guitars claims all guitars can be properly done with planers. Just an idea to mull over.
They would know
Pretty sure Gibson don’t really care about this video one way or another. From my experience there really isn’t a large proportion of guitarists who have their own table router! It’s hardly going to eat into their Gibson SG sales in a big way! 😜
Look, your videos are great - you shouldn’t need the silly click bait titles appealing to the anti-Gibson sentiment to “sell” them 🤷🏼♂️
David, for Gibson to care about this or any video I have ever made would mean that they would have to know I exist... I assure you they do not.
I agree that I shouldn't NEED silly click bait titles either, however, the analytics tell a very different story. This video had 7 times the number of normal views.
Since I use CZcams as an advertising vehicle it is in my best interest to cast the widest net possible.
@@TexasToastGuitars that’s fair. It’s disappointing that the guitar market (meaning for the most part the consumers) and CZcams has moved to this lowest common denominator mentality where giving a video a title which bashes one manufacturer just because it’s seen as the “cool” thing to do is how to get success.
Thanks for the response 👍🏻
I checked with Gibson and they said they really don't care what secrets you reveal.
Now, you know you're lying... Gibson not only doesn't care what we do, they have no idea we are alive
Hi, your videos are super but try to use better mic, it hurts musical ears
Thank you for your comment I understand that sometimes these videos can be difficult to hear. Keep in mind that we are guitar builders who happened to make CZcams videos not CZcams video creators who happened to be making guitars.
As a result our videos have an organic feel because they are direct from the woodshop.
They will probably never have a studio quality because we are guitar builders first
Gibson doesn't want you to see competent luthiers actually giving a shit about the guitars they are making.
Well, the good lord knows that I love building guitars my friend
Why would Gibson care if You use a Router table and Templates? Im sure all guitar factories use templates and routers. They make lots of videos of their factory Tours. Your journalism is shaded toward the Yellow part of the spectrum
You are right
A simple wireless mic would make this bearable.
Our videos are organic
@@TexasToastGuitars Kind of like a Hofner bass bridge, eh? Good enough.
Say 'lemon'. Now say 'tenon'. Now repeat them both until the ends sound the same.
I did already... You should hear me say Bader!
@@TexasToastGuitars much like tenon, it can be deceptive!
I'm clearly on the wrong channel
Router is how they do it, they show it pretty clearly in the various tour videos and pictures they have had over the decades. That said, your geometry is quite wrong. Body is too thick, angle too steep. Technique is definitely right though.
good lord you don't need to move the camera 3 each time he makes a move, its too much, wobblin all over, remain stationary, open up the field of view and step back, we can see
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Actually, I called Gibson and they told me to watch your video so I could better understand why a Gibson guitar is better than a Texas Toast guitar. Turns out, they are better. Why do you think everyone (including you) copies the Les Paul design?
Now you know you are lying... The good people at Gibson have no idea I am even alive
Steve look more skinny than before.
Good content, terrible audio
I understand the frustration Dennis.
Our videos are really organic as we are professional guitar builders who happen to be doing armature CZcams videos... rather than the other way around.
For the best possible audio we recommend attending one of our in house classes.
Careful..Gibson may sue you for making guitars 10 times better than they do.
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