A Guitar Builder Looks at a Chinese made FAKE Gibson Supreme Chibson Guitar

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  • čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
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    In this video, Ben www.crimsonguitars.com looks at yet another faked Gibson guitar, this time a 2005 Gibson supreme. These fake Gibson guitars, known as Chibson's, are getting better and better in quality and Ben shows you the most obvious things to look out for. The guitar even has faked Grover tuners and cheap Epiphone pickups.. for a while Ben believed 'someone on the internet who said that the F on the pickup meant 'fail' and it was a reject Epiphone pickup but he has been put right and edited out the offending footage.
    The fake guitar throws up a few surprises but in the end, it is the moral question that owning one throws up that is the focus.. could it be that Gibson themselves are complicit? You decide!
    Chapters
    0:00 Introduction
    1:52 First thing wrong - bridge and tailpiece not Gibson but Epiphone
    2:20 Look at that centreline!
    2:55 Also look out for the control knobs
    3:18 Truss rod cover and inlays come next. Cheap frets.
    4:38 Poor finish and broken switch
    6:40 Incorrect binding
    7:30 Tuners - not Grovers!
    10:09 Check the truss rod
    11:12 Pick-ups and backplate. Check the wiring as well.
    12:15 Solid wood or veneer?
    14:37 It is fake but the serial number is the correct Gibson model and year
    16:00 Conclusion
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  • @cneddy22
    @cneddy22 Před 4 lety +696

    If you drop it slightly and the neck breaks off then it means it’s real

  • @Pedrobenjo
    @Pedrobenjo Před 4 lety +231

    Workers in China watching, taking notes for the correction of the next batch

    • @andytraverse
      @andytraverse Před rokem +2

      They don't need to - they're made quick and cheap, and they have enough dumb customers to keep them in business.

    • @dukenukembubblegum7311
      @dukenukembubblegum7311 Před rokem +20

      @@andytraverse who’s really the dumb ones here, the people who spend 3k plus on a guitar, or the guy who can buy one that looks identical for 300

    • @thunderchild2237
      @thunderchild2237 Před rokem +2

      @@andytraverse
      I'm looking to buy the Elvis Gibson for display only

    • @malcolmhardwick4258
      @malcolmhardwick4258 Před rokem +4

      My Chibson from 5 years ago is going strong Spent one year in storage just got it back. Needed new strings. Nothing fallen off, twisted or broken.!

  • @Smickster01
    @Smickster01 Před 5 měsíci +34

    i actually bought one of these specifically to smash on stage at a big show i was part of. BUT, out of the box, i couldnt bring myself to destroy it. it played beautifully, it sounds devine and i cant fault it. never loses tune, was even intonated strait outa the box. the finish was superb, action was perfect. in a blind test with 3 other guitarists from other bands, it was hands down a better sound than my actual gibson lp. i still use it and i did once think about re stickering it, but i decided to proudly play my $230 chibson. its still my fav guitar outa my 2 expensive gibsons and 2 strats. ive looked for one since but cant find a website anymore here in australia for another chibo. (also bought a $130 fake strat called econau from ebay years ago with amp, stand and accessories, also a very nice guitar once i set the action on the bridge, litterally 10 minutes work) theres so much to be said about cheap guitars, i feel a bit ripped off paying 5 grand for my les paul. i love the LP and strats, dont get me wrong, but i feel the world has been bamboozled by fender and gibson.

    • @Smickster01
      @Smickster01 Před 22 dny +1

      @@ULTIMATEPATCHES had it 10+ years, spent less on it than my fenders. cant really say the components have failed yet. but have replaced 2 tuners and 2 tone knobs on a strat that is half the age of the cheapy. i doubt ya can seriously say the cheapies are bad value for any reason. considering all fender parts are chinese. bith my cheapies are still 100% as bought and still perfect. if youre putting them down without owning one, then youre an overpaid brand warrior who only uses high end stuff even if its inferior. and i gotta say, fender seems quite inferior to the 100 buck guitars.

  • @jonb5310
    @jonb5310 Před 4 lety +123

    between the voice and the head tattoos, I imagine your shop is located in a lair underneath a volcano

    • @Jayce1219
      @Jayce1219 Před 3 lety +2

      Good thing he is a luththier. Imagine showing up at job interview with head tattoo. (Sorry no offense 😂)

    • @Comakino
      @Comakino Před 3 lety +5

      Or Hastings!

  • @johnmayor2181
    @johnmayor2181 Před 5 lety +921

    You should have had little Rabbits tattooed all over your head.
    From a distance they can be mistaken for Hares.

    • @MrTokyoJunkie
      @MrTokyoJunkie Před 5 lety +39

      *slow clap*

    • @johnmayor2181
      @johnmayor2181 Před 5 lety +15

      Not last time I looked. And it didn't sting when I had a piss.

    • @kevinbeere5993
      @kevinbeere5993 Před 5 lety +7

      I had a delayed laugh when I finally got it. lol

    • @MrUniman609
      @MrUniman609 Před 5 lety +1

      Hilarious!

    • @Danny-wv8ec
      @Danny-wv8ec Před 5 lety +3

      Then he can join the Hare Club for Men along with Randy and Stan Marsh .

  • @Kjca_1998
    @Kjca_1998 Před 5 lety +469

    The voice does not match the head tattoos 😂

    • @shaunw9270
      @shaunw9270 Před 5 lety +17

      Menacingly Posh 😁

    • @Kjca_1998
      @Kjca_1998 Před 5 lety +50

      Shaun W
      He sounds like he should be wearing a tweed smoking jacket talking about classic cigars

    • @Steakfinger
      @Steakfinger Před 5 lety +10

      He looks and sounds like Rob Halford, so it seems to be a good match to me.

    • @shaunw9270
      @shaunw9270 Před 5 lety

      @@Kjca_1998 LOL , exactly !

    • @Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040
      @Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040 Před 5 lety +1

      That was a dare project.

  • @theroguetomato5362
    @theroguetomato5362 Před 4 lety +211

    One way you can tell it's not a real Gibson is that the headstock isn't broken off.

  • @johncahill3644
    @johncahill3644 Před 4 lety +23

    To my eye, that's not a solid flamed maple top...look at the side of the pickup hole around 14:00 and see if you can also spot the laminate. Great video, though, thanks!

    • @FlipDahlenburg
      @FlipDahlenburg Před 3 měsíci

      cheap Les Paul copies were often made this way back in the '70's, Ibanez being one company who resorted to it, though some were non-laminated, glued-in neck jobs that were awfully good.

  • @johnnichols8553
    @johnnichols8553 Před 5 lety +367

    You really redeemed yourself at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.

  • @genericnameSS
    @genericnameSS Před 4 lety +80

    >goes bald
    "I see a canvas here."

  • @taylorlangley900
    @taylorlangley900 Před 4 lety +372

    Plot twist: It really is a Gibson.

    • @iplaygitar1125
      @iplaygitar1125 Před 4 lety +13

      Would anyone be surprised?

    • @jimr5703
      @jimr5703 Před 4 lety +12

      For $230, I'd buy a Gibson.
      *(Lots of people misunderstanding my comment. That was my way of saying I don't like the sound of Gibson guitars, and wouldn't pay much for one if I were ever interested. They sound a bit harsh or unpleasant to my ear. Let the Gibson fan-boy flaming begin.)*

    • @SURVEYSEZ
      @SURVEYSEZ Před 4 lety +8

      13:33 changes his story , has a real flame maple top! He better get some more ugly skull tats

    • @joshuapitz4906
      @joshuapitz4906 Před 4 lety +4

      Gibson makes great guitars!!!! I have a slew of them..

    • @twootters7433
      @twootters7433 Před 4 lety +6

      @@jimr5703 I'll see your $230 and go to $200.

  • @jopestv1063
    @jopestv1063 Před 4 lety +23

    8:36 - The distance or spacing between letters is called "kerning".
    From a former phototypositor.

    • @cameronfoale8270
      @cameronfoale8270 Před 4 lety

      Adjustments between letter pairs is kerning - broadly though the right term is letterspacing or, synonymously, tracking.

    • @thetessellater9163
      @thetessellater9163 Před 4 lety +1

      Surely, the spacing between letters is the kern, and kerning is the verb for refining that spacing !

    • @irw4350
      @irw4350 Před 4 lety

      not Mother of phototypositor ?

    • @465marko
      @465marko Před 4 lety

      A kernel is a bit of corn, if that helps...

    • @Valvicus
      @Valvicus Před 4 lety

      @@thetessellater9163 Not necessarily: "plating" is both the verb and the metal that has been plated onto the base metal.

  • @marcospintor1333
    @marcospintor1333 Před 9 lety +135

    plot twist: that's a real gibson

    • @texasdeeslinglead2401
      @texasdeeslinglead2401 Před 7 lety +21

      Marcos Pintor now that would be a heck of a plot twist 😄

    • @hallobre
      @hallobre Před 6 lety +16

      Not really a plot twist. A lot “high end” manufacturers are going way cheaper than they should, while some new comers are getting better quality and quality control while still being cheaper than the “high end” brands.

    • @irchristo
      @irchristo Před 5 lety +3

      LOL, good one, ironic

    • @GabesHacks
      @GabesHacks Před 5 lety +3

      I really wonder.... it would be interesting to try and chase down the distribution chain from the seller of this one to the manufacturer and see if you end up at a Gibson factory.

    • @SciFiArtman
      @SciFiArtman Před 5 lety +5

      And the calls - they're coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!

  • @Calcouk
    @Calcouk Před 4 lety +23

    the kerning in the "Grover" machine heads are a classic example of : it would have been the same price to make it nice! While much of Gibson copying is all about materials and saving costs, this video highlights the fact that the copy houses have been garnering luthier skills and experience over the last few decades and that even with cheaper materials a fine instrument can be had delivered in a hard case for little cost.

  • @goa699
    @goa699 Před 4 lety +38

    I can imagine him drunk sounds like captain Jack sparrow 😂😂

  • @rickcourier8451
    @rickcourier8451 Před 4 lety +17

    It was fun to watch you take the guitar apart. Actually I have seen real Gibson's with worse finish blems and binding issues. Overall a good time.

  • @Xithz
    @Xithz Před 9 lety +54

    I don't think the F stamp on the pickup means that it's failed. The neck pickup on my epiphone is also stamped with an F and the bridge has an R stamped on it. Unless epiphone sells their guitars with failed pickups the F can't be for "Failed", I think it stands for Front and Rear.

    • @JeffBarberDigideus
      @JeffBarberDigideus Před 9 lety +3

      some manufacturers do, but they also label them B and N for Bridge and Neck. Ive definately got a few with F stamped on them (including a Dimarzio from the 80s)
      Also, dont some of them use F for F spaced?

    • @badagon
      @badagon Před 9 lety +9

      Jeff Barber
      "F" on chinese neck pickup means "Front". Bridge stamped as "R" - "Rear"

    • @BigEdWo
      @BigEdWo Před 9 lety +3

      badagon i swapped epiphone pickups recently. your are right.
      F = front R = rear.

    • @ericoscarguitar2316
      @ericoscarguitar2316 Před 9 lety +3

      I changed pickups to our singer's Epi SG and it had the same F stamped on the neck pickup too. And R on bridge pickup.

    • @rexrobards7407
      @rexrobards7407 Před 6 lety

      I believe you, but it's quite a coincidence, considering that the designation is likely put on the pickup for the convenience of the factory worker. Does the Chinese word for "front" also begin with an 'F'?

  • @grumpyvlogger
    @grumpyvlogger Před 5 lety +26

    This was a totally awesome video. I appreciate you showing us how to spot a fake. Absolutely enjoyed the way you went through everything and pointed out the flaws. I am amazed at the solid maple in this fake. Thanks again for sharing.

    • @beeman47
      @beeman47 Před 2 lety +1

      If you need to go through all that to spot a fake Gibson,then maybe you should just take a guitar player with you next time to the store... 😳

    • @GStev-qf1zl
      @GStev-qf1zl Před 9 měsíci

      CaSayVopWochoot4faks!

  • @robgillan6756
    @robgillan6756 Před 4 lety +21

    I feel like you forgot about the most important thing... The sound and how it plays.

    • @cowbutt6
      @cowbutt6 Před 4 lety

      I imagine fixing the orientation of the bridge, replacing the tuners, and checking the setup would be a good start. I suspect with the original tuners it'd sound pretty awful.

    • @chrispatrick5715
      @chrispatrick5715 Před 3 lety +1

      The mis-alignment of the bridge actually occurred in some of the original" '59 holy-grail" guitars.

    • @PlanktoniusRex
      @PlanktoniusRex Před 3 lety +2

      That is not the most important thing at all. The fact is it was sold deceptively as something that it is not. Dishonesty is dishonesty no matter how you slice it. If you can't sell something on its own merit then you are a crook. Love or hate Gibson, this is a blow up doll.

    • @bolerdweller
      @bolerdweller Před 3 lety

      Not going to play very well with frets that feel like sandpaper

  • @scottmartin356
    @scottmartin356 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Been buying lots of "cheap" foreign guitars, very impressed for the most part, and just recently got my first "Chibson" which, you guessed it, could have "fooled me", so very much appreciate this. First time I've seen the pickup wiring without a back plate. Would have been nice to hear a sound sample. What did you think of the multi-layer binding? Cheers!

  • @AslanW
    @AslanW Před 8 lety +458

    You look kinda intimidating with your head tattoos and shaved head, but then you start talking and have a voice of a true gentleman that has dedicated his life to making others feel welcome and safe in his presence
    Shame on me and my prejudices

    • @hgiq
      @hgiq Před 8 lety +47

      Judging voices is still a prejudice

    • @darcgibson5099
      @darcgibson5099 Před 7 lety +4

      "...often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavourable, judgments toward people or a person because of their..."

    • @TheGalwayFarmer
      @TheGalwayFarmer Před 7 lety +9

      Private school meets biker!

    • @TBButtSmoothy
      @TBButtSmoothy Před 7 lety +1

      BAU agent here

    • @joebubbit
      @joebubbit Před 7 lety +5

      He's a freak. An educated freak, but still a freak. Keep him away from dogs and children.

  • @kerranz
    @kerranz Před 5 lety +11

    letter spacing is Kerning, not kerfing. kerfs are cuts in a stick that allow it to bend. They use those to support acoustic tops.

  • @hannahpumpkins4359
    @hannahpumpkins4359 Před 4 lety +6

    I'd love to see a video on real vs. fake Rickenbacker basses. I know of several people who thought they were buying the real thing only to wind up with a cheap copy - that they paid a lot of money for. I couldn't tell just by looking at it them that they were fakes - which is scary!

  • @pskemster
    @pskemster Před 4 lety +25

    Some terminated epiphone employees must have got together and decided to start a company.

    • @snap-off5383
      @snap-off5383 Před 2 lety

      or its rejects from along the line, made to counterfiets to recoup the loss (thus the flaws) , or student guitars where they found a way to resell them and recoup costs, (thus the flaws)

    • @beeman47
      @beeman47 Před 2 lety +1

      Apparently you haven't played a NEW Epi....they are knockin out some pretty damn nice instruments these days....

  • @stuartmacdonald5361
    @stuartmacdonald5361 Před 5 lety +54

    At the end of the day it all comes down to the feel, playability and sound of the guitar. I came across Chibson last year and it felt really good and sounded very similar to a REAL Gibson. Yes these fakes are just wrong, but on a pure value for money level they are much better value than Gibson (most of the time).

    • @nicholasdufek8944
      @nicholasdufek8944 Před 2 lety +2

      You can tell plainly on the right side of the pickup cavity its a veneer. Also, the neck binding doesnt have fret knibs. The angle of the headstock. Dead give away. Actually nitro finish?

    • @markcheetah4960
      @markcheetah4960 Před 2 lety +1

      @@nicholasdufek8944 Yes, I'm surprised he didn't mention the fret nibs. I'm pretty sure these fakes don't have nitro finishes.

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope Před 2 lety

      There are much better guitars than this one on the market. Strange that you don't see any videos about them.

    • @genodabat9797
      @genodabat9797 Před 2 lety

      Great review Sir, do you have any information about the fret board? Is it engineered wood?

    • @genodabat9797
      @genodabat9797 Před 2 lety +2

      @@markcheetah4960 I was pretty sure I saw stain bleed in the pick up hole. So I think you're right. Good eye

  • @jeffweller4878
    @jeffweller4878 Před 5 lety +37

    There are a tone of chibson videos out now. Has anyone realized that videos breaking them down is the same as posting a training video for them?

    • @dantierney5563
      @dantierney5563 Před 5 lety +3

      Good point. Let's not help anybody get BETTER at this.

    • @joshs.5384
      @joshs.5384 Před 5 lety +19

      True, but if people put out enough of these videos, maybe someday the Chibsons will be even better than Gibsons lol

    • @patrickrosington1174
      @patrickrosington1174 Před 5 lety +10

      @@joshs.5384 someday? They basically already are. A real supreme is better than this. But this compsred to a real standard. This is almost as good. Change hardware and put some wolftone or lollar pickups and boom. And im a gibson guy till death do us part. But damn. They are killing me

    • @ohmtronseedling
      @ohmtronseedling Před 5 lety +3

      i brought that point up on a Gibson Les Paul page and they pretty much laughed me out of it. i'm glad someone else thinks this way.

    • @jbozradio9239
      @jbozradio9239 Před 5 lety +3

      IMO you can give them all the info you want. It still costs money to do things the right way.

  • @TaralgaBushAdventure
    @TaralgaBushAdventure Před 4 lety +5

    A decent review. That being said, I've never met a craftsman who wasn't critical of another's work. It's like you getting the plumber in, and he says, "Who did this then?"

  • @Axe_Slinger
    @Axe_Slinger Před 4 lety +9

    Inside is a note that says- help I'm being held prisoner in the basement of the Epiphone factory!

  • @freddieellis8449
    @freddieellis8449 Před 9 lety +11

    When you said about the bridge being on backwards, that used to be a standard Gibson practice. Every 59 I have seen in books etc have their bridges on that way round with the screws pointing toward the headstock.

    • @Nik__._.
      @Nik__._. Před 9 lety +5

      Freddie Ellis This. My legit Epihpone also has it.

    • @__Philip__311
      @__Philip__311 Před 7 lety +2

      My 56 VOS Goldtop also has the bridge like this.

    • @raytorvalds3699
      @raytorvalds3699 Před 6 lety +4

      I agree with that. The screws can be either way. But in this case, the bridge is really on backwards. Look at the grooves in the saddles. The high E string is sitting in the widest groove. The low E in the thinnest.

    • @gb5uq
      @gb5uq Před 6 lety +1

      My 2000 studio has them that way too.

    • @Deebz270
      @Deebz270 Před 6 lety +2

      My Gibson LP CB Standard had the saddle adjusters pointing to the headstock too.
      Come to think of it, so did my Gibson Flying V....
      ... And my current (...on the bench project) Hohner L75 (Les Paul copy) is fitted likewise.
      .
      In fact, I've rarely seen 'Tune-o-matics' fitted with the screws facing away from the body...
      If one thinks about intonation adjustment, depending upon how low one sets the stop-tail piece, one usually finds that the strings, once over the saddle are at a sharp downward angle. Which makes fine adjustment with a flat-head screwdriver more difficult, because the the sharp angled strings impede access to the screw. With screws fitted on the pickup side, this is not an issue, access is unimpeded, as the strings are obviously level and one can get the screwdriver in position, beneath the string.

  • @dcomposr
    @dcomposr Před 6 lety +48

    But how does it sound!?

    • @groussac
      @groussac Před 5 lety +2

      Right. That's the main criteria I used for the last guitar I bought. Of course the tuners and string distance from the frets had to be right. I ended up buying a high end Garrison over a low end Gibson. I just liked the feel and sound of the thing.

    • @jullianmendoza508
      @jullianmendoza508 Před 5 lety +7

      It can't sound too good with shit on backwards and misaligned.

    • @auntjenifer7774
      @auntjenifer7774 Před 5 lety

      @@Jeff-ik9zj those fake Gibson's are not made in Epiphone Factory nor are they made with Epiphone parts and any of them stamped with Epiphone on the back of the pickups are counterfeit it's just like the counterfeit Grover tuners.

    • @ivanrohal7489
      @ivanrohal7489 Před 5 lety +1

      Idead you do not know Gibsons. Easiest way to say it is not Gibson is that neck binding does not go around fret edges...

    • @ivanexl
      @ivanexl Před 4 lety

      @@ivanrohal7489 Really??? Have a look at 2015 model year.

  • @kiwibass
    @kiwibass Před 4 lety +5

    The fact that the control knobs sort of "slant in" doesn't necessarily mean that it's a fake Gibson. Even on genuine Gibsons, the knob positions tend to differ slightly, depending on what the guy drilling the holes did the night before...

    • @alexf1525
      @alexf1525 Před 2 lety +1

      it will not pass the inspection then..you really think they would sell a guitar with different holes

    • @styrenebuilds6851
      @styrenebuilds6851 Před 2 lety

      Them Gibson holes are drilled with a gang drill .

    • @user-nu7kk4uw6k
      @user-nu7kk4uw6k Před 21 dnem

      Just like the Gretsches from the 1950s. Quality wasn't consistant, but they sound good all the same.

  • @mcgama88
    @mcgama88 Před rokem

    Casting about for a new violin and case, several years ago I caved to cheap and new.....and was astonished at the delivery of a quality sounding instrument. A minor flaw in the case....and I had to search around for a decent bow. But where, the playability, the finish, the wood construction was simply superb. And, I am happy, very happy with a full, rich sound quality.
    Placing that curious well comprised finding as a match up to Gibson knock off, well, not in the same realm. Where, as a perhaps 1954 Gibson mandolin, or a 64 hollow body...demonstrate a mastery of craft...as tone and build quality...remarkable to stringed instrument. Sheer demand, perhaps driving the new devices as rip off and shoddy quality where good and superb quality had gone before, anchored the brand to a best everything at price.
    Watching this post....I found myself breaking into laughter....as where I view a craftsman...with every pride in fitment and skill spotted sham components, slap dash alignments and just semi likeness to finished composites. Each finding delivered with a warning, as somewhere just ahead.....real scam potential exists and will strike the unwary, the would be collector with deficit in identifiiers.
    Such troublesome rip off avenues.....sadly...too common...too close in trademark...to often seized
    and where exist only to fraud and malfeasance. Alas.
    Thank you for the post...as I am now armed to roam my world, at once full in the craft led inspection
    as would be ghost in the gibson shell proved pseuo crab plastic where oyster shell exists to light reflection. M.

  • @natelloyd6312
    @natelloyd6312 Před 5 lety +27

    “For the inlay they used mother of toilet seat!” 😂😂😂 I just cracked up laughing! That’s awesome!

  • @Captain_Shorts.
    @Captain_Shorts. Před 8 lety +67

    You would make the ultimate movie villain.

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  Před 8 lety +20

      +liam clemson thank you :)

    • @treatb09
      @treatb09 Před 7 lety

      XD PLEASE QUIT YOUR JOB AND GET ONE MORE YOUR LEVEL OF APTITUDE. LIKE WASHING HOTWHEELS CARS. you aren't capable of washing real cars. stick to your toys cause you are going to fucking ruin all sorts of people's gear/

    • @neilmacke4039
      @neilmacke4039 Před 6 lety +3

      I total agree 😊 I imagine Ben stroking a white cat and saying: “So, Mr Bond, you want me to build you a guitar, mawawawa?!

    • @flyboyjeo
      @flyboyjeo Před 5 lety

      Liam CM I

    • @BonafideToolJunkie
      @BonafideToolJunkie Před 5 lety

      @Toney Bartlett ...good for me...bad for you.

  • @stephenhookings1985
    @stephenhookings1985 Před 4 lety

    Great tip on wrong way around bridge / tuneomatic thing. I recently got a Burny LS55 having only owned Strats, Tele or bass.
    I was trying to adjust the intonation with screw heads facing the headstock.
    Looks like I will have to turn it around - makes more sense. I have to say the tuners on my Burny are Gotoh ? Seem to be super.

  • @harvada
    @harvada Před 4 lety +13

    This was so stressful watching and checking the flaws against my LP. I think mine is real.

    • @coyleigh
      @coyleigh Před rokem

      Oh yeah, the world can ow go on because you have a real Les Paul. I hope you're precious Less Paul gets stolen from you and you never get it back. I'd punch you in the throat if I could.

  • @SleeplessSwan7
    @SleeplessSwan7 Před 8 lety +353

    Mother of toilet seats....

    • @jopestv1063
      @jopestv1063 Před 8 lety

      Art Thompson's been using that one for YEARS...

    • @SleeplessSwan7
      @SleeplessSwan7 Před 8 lety +1

      JopesTV
      You don't say.

    • @jopestv1063
      @jopestv1063 Před 8 lety +1

      Tuonelan Joutsen My mistake...it was Teisco Del Ray (I think his real name is Dan Forte) who first said it, reviewing 'el cheapo' guitars in Musician magazine in the early 80's. He later had a column in Guitar Player, then went on to the editorial staff. Art followed, as a column writer for off the wall guitars, then as a editorial staff member.

    • @chrishorton615
      @chrishorton615 Před 7 lety

      Laughs in rock -n- roll.

    • @zumajim
      @zumajim Před 7 lety +7

      You're all wrong. I know genuine mother of bowling ball when I see it.

  • @c849243
    @c849243 Před 8 lety +72

    I have 3 Chinese copies, and they're absolutely great. I have 2 friends that work as guitar techs (for decades), and they have both told me that the Epiphone and Squire brands are now far better quality than the over-priced "lesser" brands.
    I'm sorry to say it, but Gibson and Fender are pricing themselves out of the market.

    • @Arcturian1111
      @Arcturian1111 Před 6 lety +4

      Patriot 4ever indeed so. I've built my own guitars from scratch. And they do cost a lot less. My home made tele costed me $120 bucks w all the electronics, pickups, tuners, bridge, the neck and the body with a fender tele decal. My guitarist in my band played it and could not believe the quality. The neck is a maple Kmise, and the body came from upstate NY. A very heavy alder. The Body weighed around 8 lbs naked. Pickups were obviously cheap but sound decent. Most electronics came from China obviously as well as bridge and tuners. But final cost was $120. My friend could not believe it. Guitar is beautiful. Frets were decent too. Wish I could post a photo or video. I did post a thread on the tele forum www.tdpri.com/threads/new-build-budget-tele.810093/

    • @JeaneGenie
      @JeaneGenie Před 5 lety +3

      Patriot 4ever Totally agree. I have a Chinese copy and it is an amazing guitar.

    • @ryant3600
      @ryant3600 Před 5 lety

      me too, it's was my #1 guitar to play for about 5 years, until I got a Jem jr and upgraded it w/ a real Floyd, dimarzio's, etc.. but I still play the Chibson LP A LOT, but originally I got it to learn how to redo electronics and hardware knowing it would need it. But once I got it, I was surprised didn't need a lot. I did install a set of Seymours and a roller bridge but that was it, 5 years later, I just replaced the nut and installed locking tuners. (after 5 years the plastic nut finally started to fall apart and the "g and d" string tuners started to slip. but it plays great, feels great, looks amazing and sounds amazing..

    • @GJ-yr5jo
      @GJ-yr5jo Před 5 lety +20

      Doesn't matter if they're good products. The fact that they are illegal PIRATED goods means you are just encouraging theft and despicable behavior. If these Chinese thieves were able to make legitimately good products and had the integrity to brand them under their own name and create a respectable brand, that is admirable. But do not stoop to the level of praising a culture of dishonest theft and piracy.

    • @toddlavigne6441
      @toddlavigne6441 Před 5 lety +1

      true....I mean it's not like most musicians are wealthy, and the biggest market for guitar players is a well priced
      decent guitar....big market

  • @RodFleming-World
    @RodFleming-World Před 4 lety +2

    Fender started all this in the 70s. They got Uncle Mat to make their guitars cheaper than was possible in the US. When they actually figured out the damage this would do to the brand, they renamed the US/Euro market ones 'Squier'. But the cat was out of the bag.

  • @johntripp5159
    @johntripp5159 Před 4 lety +2

    I actually spent most of the video drooling over your lovely tool kit. I'm a retired cabinetmaker.

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  Před 4 lety +3

      I have a serious weakness for tools.. I also own www.vintagetoolshop.com just so I can get more for my own collection! B

  • @Jeffrie_Baer
    @Jeffrie_Baer Před 5 lety +36

    I don't know why it bothered me so badly when he was chiseling away at the wood. Just wanted to yell "stop it!!!!"

    • @Axe_Slinger
      @Axe_Slinger Před 4 lety +2

      You can see that he chipped the finish off the top between the neck and the pickup rout. He shaved too many times when it was already clear it was a maple top. The owner may have given permission but I doubt he wanted him to chip the finish off the top!

    • @rcgillsympaticoca
      @rcgillsympaticoca Před 4 lety

      Axe Slinger I’m just not seeing that, wherever you’re looking. The pickup trim ring buts right up to the neck anyway. It would have to otherwise the crappy stain job would be evident. 😆 Now, when he started in on the *other* side...

    • @curtisbrayfield7707
      @curtisbrayfield7707 Před 3 lety +1

      It was clearly a veneer, if you look at the side of the pickup hole. He wouldn't have seen it from where he was standing, but you can tell a 1/16 line.

    • @lynnfrancesanderson1829
      @lynnfrancesanderson1829 Před 3 lety +1

      That killed me too!

    • @lynnfrancesanderson1829
      @lynnfrancesanderson1829 Před 3 lety

      Curtis Brayfield Yes, I saw that too.

  • @parttroll1
    @parttroll1 Před 8 lety +13

    I remember my friends Les Paul copy the "humbucker pup's" where in fact single coils in the casing!

    • @ryant3600
      @ryant3600 Před 8 lety +1

      +parttroll1 Idon't think they're single coils mate. All all mine are white and black epi "zebra" humbuckers. unpotted pieces of crap. But that's an easy fix. I switch them out for a set of Duncans.. that's all it takes really to make these guitars sound amazing

    • @nicot9305
      @nicot9305 Před 5 lety +1

      Damn! I thought a "humbucker" was two single coils connected so as to cancel out the hum!
      Edit: Yep. A humbucker is two single coil pickups with the magnets point north as "up" in one single coil pickup, and the other pointing down.
      Thanks for your "info", though!

    • @evannorth5397
      @evannorth5397 Před 5 lety +1

      I had a cheap copy with one single coil pickup in a humbucker sized box.

    • @stephenzaborski8656
      @stephenzaborski8656 Před 5 lety

      Yeah,I had a copy like that.cant remember the brand.

  • @keirzeiss2069
    @keirzeiss2069 Před 4 lety +99

    Ah-ha...sank you mister...we fix these things for our next run of fake Gibsons...I tell boss-man what we must fix. lol

    • @allenblackwell2433
      @allenblackwell2433 Před 4 lety +1

      KJS Stewart (OMG 😂😂😂😂😂)!!!

    • @conorchilders9149
      @conorchilders9149 Před 4 lety +1

      Hahahahaha

    • @gyrperegrine
      @gyrperegrine Před 4 lety +5

      It’s 2020, and I just got my first Chibson, a 59 custom black beauty. It’s gorgeous, and I found only one QC issue. A small sliver on the fretboard, only a small flaw that’s hard to see, and doesn’t effect play. The truss rod is wrong, but it’s a two way, and works as well. I have a crappy little amp at the house, and it sounds fine for my home use. I’ve been playing for a while, and this is a quality guitar.

    • @nehemiahzo_
      @nehemiahzo_ Před 4 lety +1

      Lmao

    • @grassroot011
      @grassroot011 Před 4 lety

      Nahh, they wont, it'd take too much time and trouble to all that, besides, they'd have to charge more for it.

  • @mikeivey8471
    @mikeivey8471 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for the info on the tune o matic bridge being turned around backwards ! I just recently purchased a Schecter LP style guitar (made in China) for much the same purpose as your friend & I noticed that the adjustment screws on the bridge were awkwardly in the front of the bridge & thought "man it's gonna be difficult to make intonation adjustments the way those screws are facing!" LOL Having never really owned a guitar with a tune o matic bridge I was unsure if that was the way the all were but somehow it just seemed wrong !!! LOL thanks again , Ben !! Great episode , as always !!

    • @markcheetah4960
      @markcheetah4960 Před 2 lety +1

      That's not necessarily true; they can face either way. Check any of the online retailers for comparison.

  • @carl_valentin
    @carl_valentin Před 8 lety +31

    The largest European reseller , Thomann, does not sell Gibson Guitars anymore. Due to quality prolems. LOL.

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  Před 8 lety +5

      I hadn't heard that! This is seriously bad news for the company that used to be the best in the business, so so sad!

    • @Pauly421
      @Pauly421 Před 8 lety

      +Carl Valentin Is that why?? Wow wtf gibson ever heard of quality control. Was wondering cos I was actually checking how much a LP went for recently and noticed there was just no gibsons. I've head good things about their Harley benton LP copys though

    • @carl_valentin
      @carl_valentin Před 8 lety

      +Pauly Mack Thomann sold a lot of custom-guitars specially made for them by gibson, called "faded","tribute" ...
      These "original" gibsons went for 500-700 bucks and had poor qualty. European Ebay is full of these guitars. Gibsons-prices for standards and custom-shops may have helped to end their cooperation. And Zero-frets and electric tuners are not everbodys taste of guitars. They try to fill this segment wit Tokai, Düsenberg, PRS I think.

    • @carl_valentin
      @carl_valentin Před 8 lety

      +Pauly Mack Harley-Benton is low-price made in china. Quality comparable to Epiphone.

    • @number8mikee
      @number8mikee Před 8 lety +2

      +Carl Valentin I've just bought a Tokia Love Rock from Thomann just yesterday. I've also got a Tokai Breezy Sound Telecaster copy. This plays better and sounds nicer than all the Fender Telecasters I've had in the past. Hope the Love Rock Les Paul is as good.

  • @henter2010
    @henter2010 Před 9 lety +14

    pretty sure, F is Front pickup :)

  • @SilentNightBodomNight
    @SilentNightBodomNight Před 4 lety +1

    Also worth mentioning is the stop tail piece is closer together on Gibsons. That one looks far to apart. It’s actually the first thing I noticed.

  • @46b35
    @46b35 Před 3 lety

    Really cool video. Def. going down a rabbit hole, can’t wait to see the other luthier videos.

  • @michaelbarber1123
    @michaelbarber1123 Před 5 lety +4

    I must've gotten really lucky. I bought a Gibson LP Furure Tribute new from a Musicians Friend blowout sale for $500 bucks and it's pretty much flawless.

  • @Arcturian1111
    @Arcturian1111 Před 5 lety +39

    I just bought a used 2002 Epiphone Les Paul made in Korea, for about $340 shipped w hard case . An incredible guitar. Incredible. You can't go wrong with Epiphone, and you don't have to spend a lot to get a lot. I'd go Epiphone before Chibson, at least you know an Epiphone has some sort of quality control.... Peace Vince

    • @Crowbar11115
      @Crowbar11115 Před 5 lety +4

      Snagged a 2010 Epi SG a few days ago and I can't stop playing it! I was blown away. $199 with a case!

    • @DimitrisDr3am
      @DimitrisDr3am Před 5 lety +2

      @@Crowbar11115 if you can get a used epiphone from a quality plant then I can see it. But if Im buying a new epiphone, or a new "chibson", Ill take the chibson for half the price. They are the same guitar. The epiphone MAY have slightly better QC, but anything the chibson needs to be worked on can be done for much less than the difference in price between the 2. That and its not like Epiphones come set up...

    • @porknbeans7420
      @porknbeans7420 Před 5 lety +2

      I have some nice guitars, among them an Ibanez Artist AS200 & Kramer Baretta 1 (with the headstock inlays). I've priced them both @ ~ 1500 to 2K ea, and my Epiphone Traditional Pro (with probuckers) is every bit as good. Unbeatable gtr for the money.

    • @TheDoug625
      @TheDoug625 Před 5 lety +2

      Korean epiphones are generally better quality than the Chinese epiphones.

    • @wolverine3344
      @wolverine3344 Před 5 lety +1

      Doug625 same, I’ve got a 2012 Epiphone MIk that I absolutely love. One thing not mentioned here is Chibson holes seldom line up or are sized properly if you’re putting in real electronics, though I suspect Chibson buyers are more for show than to play for any duration.

  • @gixxernavigator
    @gixxernavigator Před 4 lety

    Polishig my Epiphone Black Beauty 3 and have stumbled upon this gentlemans video. This is the second Black Beauty 3 I've had (Bought new) and the more I hear this guy talk away in my living room, the more I realise the 1st BB3 I loved, Cherished and wore round my neck as a teenager 18years ago....Was a fake!! The gold wear on the pick ups was faded silver, The "les paul" name wasn't present on the headstock and the knobs pulled right off. When changing between Rytham/Treble it made a "Uurrgggg!" noise. Maybe ignorance is bliss as a teenager.
    Anyhow thank you well spoken tattooed guitar Man! Got my guitar, Bottle of Broon and yourself educating me on the screen. Happy Sunday.

  • @mesatone0121
    @mesatone0121 Před 4 lety +8

    Ive got a 59' Les Paul re-issue fake aka " Chibson ". Beautiful fit and finish, as good or better than many of the real " Gibson" I've played. Paid $ 300 including Gibson labeled hard shell case. Replaced the tuners, added a pair of Seymour Duncan Saturday Night Specials wired with Emerson pots to 50's specs. Killer sound and looks with less than $ 600.00 invested.

  • @axekicker78
    @axekicker78 Před 5 lety +22

    However, I wouldn't say those are $4000 worth of discrepancies. Hence, the problem with Gibson and the demand for these fakes.

    • @Panic42000
      @Panic42000 Před 4 lety +1

      Aubrey Dana You do know Gibson sells guitars as fast as they can make them right? Let me guess you don’t even own a Gibson? I didn’t think so. Broke ass!

    • @ML-nj8fq
      @ML-nj8fq Před 4 lety +6

      @@Panic42000 Get better at playing guitar instead of getting better at buying them, Blues lawyer

    • @Panic42000
      @Panic42000 Před 4 lety +1

      M L Haha!! I actually play three nights a week. I don’t just play in my bedroom like some people. I’m not rich I save my money. I know that’s a crazy concept. Have fun playing your FAKE Gibson.

    • @ML-nj8fq
      @ML-nj8fq Před 4 lety +5

      BenS123 I dont own any Gibsons. I’d buy a PRS or almost anything else before a Gibson. I like them but theyre just way overpriced for what they are. I’d consider buying an older model

    • @sophiavhoti4548
      @sophiavhoti4548 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Panic42000 why would i buy a Gibson when i could buy a Ibanez or a schecter or a PRS or a fender or a literally any other guitar brand...

  • @monkeesfan1965
    @monkeesfan1965 Před 5 lety +11

    13:55 in, look at the line on the low E side of pickup cavity- CLEARLY appears to be a veneer

    • @SilentNightBodomNight
      @SilentNightBodomNight Před 4 lety

      Yeah you are correct. There’s no way they’d use a high grade piece of maple for a cheap piece of shit lol

    • @SilentNightBodomNight
      @SilentNightBodomNight Před 4 lety

      @@Lamster66 I’m aware of that. However; in contrary, it makes sense Gibson doesn’t use a high grade maple top on a solid painted body. The whole point of using a high grade maple top is so people see the details of the wood.

    • @dickJohnsonpeter
      @dickJohnsonpeter Před 4 lety

      That's just a little line of varnish or paint, you can see where it stops. Where'd the veneer go where he scraped it then? If it was veneer you would see it even better where he scraped it.

    • @bongomakers
      @bongomakers Před 4 lety

      I agree. Even with a razor blade, you're not going to cleanly and effortlessly slice figured maple as you did, even along the grain. You should have sliced across the grain and it would have been apparent that this is veneer and you would easily see the glue line. Also, the proper way to identify the species of wood is examining the end grain with a jeweler's loop.

  • @kennethmabus381
    @kennethmabus381 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video. I learned alot from you. Thanks for sharing your skills. Also learned somethings I would not have even checked like tuners being loose.

    • @QS-si3cq
      @QS-si3cq Před 2 lety

      "A lot" is two words, not one.

    • @kennethmabus381
      @kennethmabus381 Před 2 lety

      @@QS-si3cq oh your panties bunch up! Get triggered did you! What gender are you today! Peanut butter is my guess....

  • @thomshere
    @thomshere Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for this! There is so many music products out there that are fake. I have seen some pretty bad percussion stuff.

  • @Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040

    Truth be told - I think it's a brilliant tinkering project. I love getting el cheapo guitars, disassembling them and doing everything that much more expensive guitars have.
    By the time I'm done it's still cheaper than the higher spec model, but much more to my own liking.

  • @MultiDwang
    @MultiDwang Před 5 lety +28

    It's amazing how some tattoos go out of fashion so quickly.

    • @chriskolb3105
      @chriskolb3105 Před 4 lety +7

      This dude takes bad tattoos to another level.

  • @rosejuliette9180
    @rosejuliette9180 Před 4 lety +1

    The point where you mentioned buying Gibson parts brought up a good question to me. Since it's a similar cost... What is more worth it? A £1500 - £2000 imported big name guitar e.g. Gibson... Or to look for a luthier more locally to work with for something truly unique for the same price (you could even use the same hardware)? I know my choice as I have a locally made custom guitar but I'd love to know other people's answers and their reasoning.

  • @Dreamlander
    @Dreamlander Před 4 lety

    I have 2 les pauls - a gibson studio deluxe and a studio. both have offset centers where the wood lines up to the left just like this one. I'm not a luthier, but both of mine were bought new and are just like this one. Is that a bad thing on gibson then??

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  Před 4 lety

      Yes, sadly. Their quality control sucks. Solid though, just aesthetically off. B

  • @lifewithjesse_la
    @lifewithjesse_la Před 5 lety +57

    It's very interesting to hear the Devil talk about guitars

  • @teebee5323
    @teebee5323 Před 5 lety +11

    Well done on the break down of the details exposing this as a knock off, interesting that some of the early knock off Gibson brands like Lotus probably had better hardware on them.

  • @tomnelson5815
    @tomnelson5815 Před 4 lety +1

    Big tell: frets are cut into fingerboard binding; Supreme s, Customs etc. all have frets set into binding and binding notched down between frets.

  • @clivedavis3829
    @clivedavis3829 Před 4 lety +1

    Good job in dissecting the 'Gibson'. I really was hoping you would play it and give an opinion on the playing action.

  • @edp5623
    @edp5623 Před 5 lety +3

    My schecter c-1 platinum has the bridge backwards like that.
    When I looked up photos online, they looked like that too.
    Why is this? Should I turn it around?

    • @allahspreadshate6486
      @allahspreadshate6486 Před 4 lety

      Gibson and Epiphone put them on opposite way from each other. That's my experience from multiple of both I've owned.

  • @elbrujitorodrigo
    @elbrujitorodrigo Před 8 lety +157

    slash become famous with a fake gibson... now gibson make a copy of a copy

    • @HBSuccess
      @HBSuccess Před 6 lety +21

      Slash's guitar wasn't a "Fake" - it was/is a ghost-built Gibson (private builder with Gibson's blessing).

    • @rexrobards7407
      @rexrobards7407 Před 6 lety +1

      Hahaha. You funny boy.

    • @perrry100
      @perrry100 Před 6 lety +4

      Slash is a multi millionaire and wouldn't buy a Chibson his guitars are custom built to his secs for sure could you see him playing a concert with a hundred dollar guitar ?

    • @sluggo68
      @sluggo68 Před 6 lety +31

      Perry Singer, The poster of this thread means that when Slash was starting out (and would have been a broke struggling artist) he played a fake LP.

    • @ianandy1234
      @ianandy1234 Před 6 lety +11

      Zappa used a sg copy too

  • @guarango1134
    @guarango1134 Před 4 lety +1

    I admire all your work... and your tools are insane!!! Awesome

  • @GeroLubovnik
    @GeroLubovnik Před 4 lety +2

    it's been a couple years since I first saw this video. But here's the deal. At the time I was messing around with guitar (before getting serious) and as my first electric, sort of as a "joke" I bought a Chibson. I must have gotten one from the right factory. It needed a good professional fret level and setup, but other than that it was quite nice. Perhaps foolish, I put a set of custom pickups in it and rewired it. Along the way, two years later I bought a genuine Gibson LP Standard, numbered, limited edition. But you know what? Every time I had a gig I grabbed the Chibson. It sounded as good as the genuine. Played as well as the genuine and was 2 pounds lighter than the genuine. Sold the Gibson and have no qualms at all about keeping the Chibson. I can never sell it legally anyway, but that's ok. It's as good as any electric I've ever played. My only (slight) regret is that I didn't order it with a custom label and it says Gibson on the headstock. But you know what? Nobody has ever guessed that it was a fake. In fact, one day I brought it into a Sam Ash and had it side by side with a genuine LP. I asked others to play them both and tell me which they preferred... 2 out of 3 preferred the fake. Sad, but true.

  • @shaneybot3031
    @shaneybot3031 Před 8 lety +9

    u have such a gentle voice

  • @cdchazz
    @cdchazz Před 7 lety +6

    It looks like a veneer. At about 12 minutes in, 12:10 or so, on the inside of the pickup cavity that is facing the camera and is facing the same direction as the guy talking, you can see the glue line. He can't see it because it's hidden from him. But, don't forget that some of these guitars have a photo-flame in which photosensitive material is sprayed onto the guitar, a mask put over it, exposed to light, and, boom, flamed maple top out of generic wood. It's amusing to me when you see these imports and in the description of the kind of wood the body is made of, it simply says, "wood."

    • @ozarkana
      @ozarkana Před 5 lety

      True .. he's scraping WITH the grain of the wood when he should be against the grain. Same as looking at a sound hole edge on a flat top guitar.. it looks like a solid top until you look at the sides.

  • @hurleymediatv
    @hurleymediatv Před 11 měsíci

    I would have loved to hear you elaborate on the tail piece center line issue. I couldn't follow what you said about that. Was the center line of the tail piece, what made you say the neck was out of alignment? Maybe someone else can explain that part of the video. Thanks for looking at one of these for the rest of us.

  • @spokes28
    @spokes28 Před 7 měsíci

    How are the pots secured to the top since they are not mounted from the back?

  • @robertweeks7993
    @robertweeks7993 Před 8 lety +491

    if i were to just hear you speak i never would guess you have tattoos all over your head. lol

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  Před 8 lety +75

      I like dichotomy in all things, thanks for your support!

    • @ericcrawford2697
      @ericcrawford2697 Před 8 lety +4

      +Robert Weeks I like dichotomy in all things too. Can I have a medal please?

    • @Snakefinger1000
      @Snakefinger1000 Před 6 lety +27

      Tatts are no longer being sported by bikers and rough types. Everyone has them nowadays, even my 40 year old eldest daughter and good luck to her and anyone else feels like a tattoo. I might get one too I'm 64 and a crappy musician now that's two good reasons to mark up my skin. Oh yes,..also mine won't fade before I'm dead..

    • @PilferMusic
      @PilferMusic Před 6 lety +17

      He also sounds taller

    • @thedevilsadvocate5210
      @thedevilsadvocate5210 Před 6 lety +6

      Bam Bam Bigelow

  • @SakariKempas
    @SakariKempas Před 9 lety +49

    "The inlays are mother of toilet seat..." Can I use that quote everytime I describe fake MOP inlays? :D

    • @rexrobards7407
      @rexrobards7407 Před 6 lety +1

      It is a very old term. The toilet seats, that it refers to, were very popular in the 50s. Danny Gatton uses the term in one of his instructional videos (in the 90s), to describe a Telecaster that was made for Danny in the Fender Custom Shop. That guitar was covered in a mosaic, made of MOTS.

    • @boboutelama5748
      @boboutelama5748 Před 5 lety +1

      This is an official term, wiedely used since the early 2000's, maybe before. So yeah, feel free.

    • @JokersWild70
      @JokersWild70 Před 5 lety +1

      LOL.

    • @edwardjamyangmacarchick1847
      @edwardjamyangmacarchick1847 Před 5 lety

      @@boboutelama5748 I heard it in the 90s myself.

    • @dantierney5563
      @dantierney5563 Před 5 lety

      Those inlays are an easy to check indicator of substandard construction. Man I laughed out loud. That is funny.

  • @manbearpig2164
    @manbearpig2164 Před 4 lety +6

    Beautiful guitar, I'm glad I'm not picky about my guitars, I just play them

  • @oliverlangrall2014
    @oliverlangrall2014 Před 5 dny

    I went on ebay and was taking a look at some chibsons and would love to see a new review. A lot of the issues like with the bridge and knobs have been corrected. It's hard to get a proper look from the photos but the binding looks good too. They're getting better and better lol

  • @idunno3639
    @idunno3639 Před 6 lety +12

    Say what you want about Gibson guitars but I've wanted one for quite some time, saved up my money and finally bought a 2018 Gibson Les Paul Traditional. I love it, it plays incredibly well and is very unique. Very pleased with mine!

    • @epasternak4206
      @epasternak4206 Před 5 lety

      I like mine to , it's a gold top . Very good crystal clear chords , good solid bite through my JCM 900 50 watt head , slim tapper 60s neck , what more can a guy ask for.

    • @DougHinVA
      @DougHinVA Před 5 lety +1

      @@epasternak4206 a 1960 Tribute Epiphone new with '57 Classic Gibson pickups and new case and locking Grovers and series/parallel push/pull tone pots.... for $450 total outlay to my door

    • @epasternak4206
      @epasternak4206 Před 5 lety

      I agree 💯 great guitars.

    • @DimitrisDr3am
      @DimitrisDr3am Před 5 lety

      the 2018 models seem to be much better quality than a couple years ago. Hopefully the trend continues and someday when Im good enough to justify the money spent for a real Les Paul there is a quality instrument worth buying out there without having to find an old model.

  • @Spudboy182
    @Spudboy182 Před 6 lety +30

    While you're chiseling away at the top why not just look at the edge of the pickup hole where the adjustment screw is cleared and you can see the veneer plain as day.

    • @nalukeko
      @nalukeko Před 6 lety +7

      Spudboy182 exactly what I was thinking. A solid flamed maple top on a Chibson smh

    • @nicparker3809
      @nicparker3809 Před 5 lety +2

      they spray paint the tops . That is pine board ... Not Maple. Not even maple top...

    • @tezzrterry7485
      @tezzrterry7485 Před 5 lety

      @Dave Males Wood grain effect can be applied into the paint, by a skilled faker.

    • @DimitrisDr3am
      @DimitrisDr3am Před 5 lety +2

      @Dave Males no one is making you buy one... If I wanna buy a chinese knock off ill do just that. That being said, I did order it intentionally unbranded. But I could easily argue you are a fool for spending thousands of dollars more on a guitar that is marginally better... Especially if your Gibson was made in the last decade or so.

  • @skullheadwater9839
    @skullheadwater9839 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Look at the top of that pickup cavity, how do you not see the glue line between the veneer and the maple top?

  • @zone47
    @zone47 Před 4 lety +392

    Ahhh soooo! I am Chinese thank you for point out all mistates we fix all those in next run and you no tell differencts

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      @Niteshsinwal Před 3 lety +2

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    • @g4joe
      @g4joe Před 3 lety +14

      Zone47
      Can you fix my motorcycle its a Wooflungdung 125cc?

    • @zone47
      @zone47 Před 3 lety +22

      @@g4joe I just sent you a to0b of superglue! That is all you need.

    • @Tom-gy1jy
      @Tom-gy1jy Před 3 lety +1

      Boo

    • @lansayf
      @lansayf Před 3 lety +1

      Ahhh thats what you are a shameless pig who knows nothing but copy. So yes you go do what you do best fucktard.

  • @mallanac
    @mallanac Před 5 lety +10

    A real flamed maple top? What about the sides of the picup cotout (where the hight screws go), should you not be able to see patterns in the wood there if it was flamed?

    • @greg4673
      @greg4673 Před 5 lety +3

      I totally agree, from my high def view, it sure looked like a veneer to me.

    • @patrickrosington1174
      @patrickrosington1174 Před 5 lety +1

      @@greg4673 its def a thin veneer. There is no flame or anything to the maple cap underneath. With how flamed the top is its be soo noticable. Like my flame top when i sanded the sides. The edges were flamed as all hell

    • @Jerronnimmo
      @Jerronnimmo Před 5 lety +1

      I was gonna make the same comment; you can clearly see the veneer on the side of the cavity without any chiseling

    • @pedaloof6917
      @pedaloof6917 Před 5 lety +1

      Photo-flame and no veneer?

    • @businesscrimewatch199
      @businesscrimewatch199 Před 5 lety

      @@pedaloof6917 Yes the easiest way to tell the difference is Photo-Flame does not shimmer like solid or veneer flame maple.

  • @BoyfromBladenCounty
    @BoyfromBladenCounty Před 4 lety

    What site did they order this from? I'd love to see what other fakes they do.

  • @diabeticmonkey
    @diabeticmonkey Před 5 měsíci +1

    It’s extremely interesting to see these “companies” actually get better at building guitars. It was only a matter of time until they started catching up.

  • @TIGERGUTS
    @TIGERGUTS Před 5 lety +29

    I worked in Guitar Shop in Australia and a guy brought in his new Gibson Supreme. It was around 2009 .I noticed a non gibson hard case right away. He was stoked on his guitar and was gloating over it, " I paid over 10 k for this beast" he would say. As soon as he opened the case , there it was , a chinese Chibson Supreme. It was ghastly. The supreme logo on the headstock was totally illegible. I didn't have the heart to tell him he had been duped out of thousands of dollars.

    • @boboutelama5748
      @boboutelama5748 Před 5 lety +14

      You should have done it. Already happened to one of my customers.
      Look it in this way. He could learn it from you, in a safe environment, with a trusted mate, with coffee and a sofa to sit on and cry.
      Or he could learn it from a guitar geek at one of his show,s with 100 peoples around him laughing at him and pointing fingers at him, and filming him crying before posting the vid on youtube "idiot bought a fake Gibson and boasts about it before crying like a baby"....
      ... which one would you want for yourself if that happenned ?

    • @cutthroattruthnews4766
      @cutthroattruthnews4766 Před 5 lety +1

      guys guys, he still didn't tell his Father he's a homosexual, babysteps. he'll get there.

    • @dantierney5563
      @dantierney5563 Před 5 lety +2

      OMG that is terrible to learn. I feel so bad for this guy. I hope that his money was not hard- earned. I washed dishes in high school for my first guitar, and it was stolen by a supposed "friend". I hope that he was a tech millionaire with money to burn.

    • @APlagueOfButterflies
      @APlagueOfButterflies Před 5 lety +3

      You should have told him. He could have tried to get his money back.

    • @Pstaines439
      @Pstaines439 Před 5 lety +1

      I'm with the others, you've got to be honest.

  • @patrickwalsh663
    @patrickwalsh663 Před 5 lety +26

    I think your kid has found your magic marker-beware!!

    • @lorenzoparedes2306
      @lorenzoparedes2306 Před 3 lety

      Yes, this tells me not to fall asleep in front of the TV after a heavy meal that included libations. My bald head will be redecorated by a diaper Da Vinci.

  • @riffdigger2133
    @riffdigger2133 Před 4 lety

    8:12. I had to take screenshots of both tuners to see the *bevel* difference you mentioned as I don’t have a the trained eye that you have and it’s abit hard to see. But you make a good point. The gold, brassy ones are fake Grovers.

  • @glennpacker8161
    @glennpacker8161 Před 5 měsíci

    I’ve looked up dozens of pictures of genuine Gibson LPs, and my own Gibson Trad Pro LP, and the adjustment screws on the tunomatic bridge actually do face forward towards the bridge pickup, not as you suggest the other way around, so that is not a fault on the Chibson. Having noted that, to me at least, I don’t understand why they mount it that way, as it just makes it more difficult to adjust them? Certainly on my Fender teles the screws face rearwards and are easy to access.

  • @thesweatleaf
    @thesweatleaf Před 5 lety +20

    When Hannibal Lector finishes a stint as a touring member for Biohazard

  • @JeffBarberDigideus
    @JeffBarberDigideus Před 9 lety +5

    13:54 - where you are scraping the pickup hole (at the "front" of the hole), if you look to the left of it (so in the picture, the area in the top left of the pickup hole if you were looking on the screen) you can see a line of finish where (I assume) the veneer top has been glued on. dunno if you notice this later in the vid as I paused it. I reckon that shows the glue line for the veneer. I may be wrong, but i cant see a proper flame maple top being put on that unless its from a less reputable source and therefore not a sustainable source. That could indicate illegal wood being used.

    • @blkjakk
      @blkjakk Před 9 lety +1

      I saw that too and wondered if that was the veneer line.

    • @Strongholle
      @Strongholle Před 9 lety +2

      Not only that, but the flame in the top doesn't appear on the side of the pickup hole. It's most probably a veneer.

    • @peepongdingdong9208
      @peepongdingdong9208 Před 9 lety

      It probably is, there is another video of a gibson owner tearing apart a chibson, and shows that it is a veneer.

    • @Strongholle
      @Strongholle Před 9 lety

      Guy Persona Which is what all the Epiphones (that seem to be the model these things are based on) have, so most probably it's a yes.

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  Před 9 lety

      I thought that was a stain line.. However, I've been told by people who have refinished these that it is a veneer but such a thin one that you will struggle to see the glue line, quite amazing really.

  • @ac9110
    @ac9110 Před 4 lety

    At last, a bloke that looks and sounds like me! Very enjoyable vid. Cheers Ben.

    • @godislove8740
      @godislove8740 Před 4 lety

      So you finally found out "we are all one."

  • @ronniepirtlejr2606
    @ronniepirtlejr2606 Před 4 lety +1

    You can see what looks like Vernier on the top of the guitar pickup cavity when you're carving. Maybe it's the Finish layer, not sure? have a look.
    Its not where you were carving at, but at the top left of the screen.

  • @donaldbollinger2407
    @donaldbollinger2407 Před 9 lety +15

    This is evil stewie in real life lmao

  • @MrNalettinho
    @MrNalettinho Před 7 lety +12

    I'd take that fake anyday, it has a great wood, so I would only slap in a couple of gibson burstbuckers, gotoh tuners, bridge, potetiometers and 3-way switch and would have a kick ass guitar to play @ home.
    I mean, I can see how it's wrong to sell those fakes as an original gibson, this is absolutely wrong, but to have this as a cheap project guitar to play at home is something I can vouch for. (I would as them to write CHIBSON on the headstock, would look great xD)

    • @derpanzerkommandant4641
      @derpanzerkommandant4641 Před 7 lety +3

      So? And if the Chinese used wood which is protected by CITES? The US Customs will tear your a** apart. The Chinese give a shit about severe deforestation, they are the cause.

    • @guitarist_smith6283
      @guitarist_smith6283 Před 7 lety +1

      All it'll end up being is just a wall-hanger when the totally unseasoned wood starts to warp and makes it totally unplayable.

    • @kckennedy55
      @kckennedy55 Před 7 lety +1

      I cannot believe that you watch this video and see the faults of this guitar. Then come away believing that this SUPREME P.O.S.would make a decent guitar. These guitars are total trash. Just find a decent lower priced guitar.

    • @SciFiArtman
      @SciFiArtman Před 5 lety

      Better add a refret and some way to fill those massive body cavities to your long list of fixes! And the wood looks like basswood, with a micro-thin veneer, IMO.

    • @bigyin.7710
      @bigyin.7710 Před 5 lety

      Can't beat a good wood!!!

  • @andrewmuelleranantababaji8073

    What do you think of Jackson Monarkha JS22 lower prices model, I love it why?

  • @daveneumann6361
    @daveneumann6361 Před 4 lety +1

    excellent video thanks for making and informing the guitar playing public

  • @Jeepjones85
    @Jeepjones85 Před 7 lety +22

    It looks good, for that price you can swap out the tuners and pickups and do some fret work lol

    • @tecnolover2642
      @tecnolover2642 Před 5 lety +2

      do you know how much it costs to have new frets laid? probably as much as the whole guitar cost!

    • @DimitrisDr3am
      @DimitrisDr3am Před 5 lety

      @Dave Males then there are the idiots that for some reason care what guitars other people buy...

  • @Meechree
    @Meechree Před 5 lety +20

    I know I'm nearly 4 years late to this video, but I just wanna mention that at 10:53, you mentioned how the bridge is "backwards". This isn't true. In fact, both Gibson and Epiphone seem to have their guitars come out of the factory with the bridges facing one way or another at nearly a 50/50 rate. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to this.
    Ultimately, it comes down to preference of the player. I own 5 Les Pauls (3 Epiphone, 2 Gibson), and all 5 of the bridges have the intonation screws facing the neck (the way it is shown in this video). You could easily change the orientation of the bridge, as well as the saddles inside, if that's your inclination :)
    I know this is essentially pointless information, but I did want to bring attention (in a friendly way!) to the fact that there really is no "wrong" or "right" way to have the bridge screws facing on an LP!

    • @barirwin8559
      @barirwin8559 Před 5 lety +2

      Meechree , very nicely written .

    • @papa_gummybear
      @papa_gummybear Před 5 lety +3

      Shouldn't the screws for adjusting the intonation be at the back? If they're facing the neck then you can't adjust them with strings on the guitar, therefore defeating the whole purpose of their existence, to adjust the fucking intonation.
      Unless you go under the strings with a special around corners, understring screwdriver sold by Gibson? Baffling

    • @Meechree
      @Meechree Před 5 lety +3

      @@papa_gummybear It's actually extremely easy to adjust them facing the neck. No special tools needed! Like I said, all 5 of my Les Pauls are facing the neck. I've never had any trouble adjusting the intonation at all.
      Edit: I should add, this is with the strings on. No problem!

    • @joemay1340
      @joemay1340 Před 5 lety

      @@Meechree Ive had the Bridge facing both ways,prefer facing the neck as the screws were being worn away by the angle of the strings

    • @jdl2180
      @jdl2180 Před 4 lety

      If the screws are facing the neck the bridge is on backwards, Period! 😂

  • @hairlab9646
    @hairlab9646 Před rokem +1

    I have a friend in the watch business, and I bet fake guitars are going to take the same trajectory. Apparently, 15or so years ago replica watches could be spotted by a trained eye within seconds. These days, especially with addition of a few genuine parts, even professionals are scammed every day. Any product that relies on a brand name to price their products many times the price of construction (e.g. Gibson) is a target.

  • @ElvisPretzel-rv3bg
    @ElvisPretzel-rv3bg Před 2 lety

    This is taking you back quite a few years... I'm looking at your center line being off a bit I'm looking at a real 🇺🇸 supreme and the center line is more off line then your Chibson here whats up with that thats crazy 🤣 my Gibson Hummingbird same way centerline is off also...weird....🤣 great video! Your one outstanding Luther world's best!!!

  • @TonyJBrennan
    @TonyJBrennan Před 5 lety +17

    I bought a Les Dawson , could this be fake ?