Multi-Species Civilizations & Co-Alien Habitats
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- Science Fiction often shows us aliens and human living among one another in space, but how realistic are such portrayals and what sort of accommodation would extraterrestrials need for their environments? We will also ask if humans and aliens could live together, possibly even marry and have hybrid offspring.
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Multi-Species Civilizations & Co-Alien Habitats
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 277a; February 14, 2021
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If playing stellaris has taught me anything, its that creating tech to allow hybrid species with aliens inevitably results in the universe lagging out every time you try to look at the list of what species exist.
the fanatic purifiers did nothing wrong
@@kek105 based
Lets be xenophobic, it's really in this year
I was so excited for that until my framerate died.
I always turn it off. Quoting scientists: "we share more DNA with petunia then any alien ever". Not a joke. We have around 44% DNA of banana.
Fermi paradox solution: after seeing our "purely artistic" impressions of them, aliens agreed it would be best to keep their distance from the creepy touchy feely Earth monkies.
Monkeys ...
Don't you have a spell-check or suggestions option available?
But surely there would be another civilization of degenerates out there
Have you SEEN the things these wierdos will get freaky with?
Ugh....
"Realistically an alien obsessed with humanity is likely to be more open to building a life together with a human obsessed with their own species."
Pictured: Literally Cthulhu
Lovecraft was SF writer, after all ;D
Giant, humanoid, amazonian, squid alien girl: Ooh, who's a cute, little, fuzzy human? You are! Yes you are!
Human: Who's my, tall, THICC, squid GF? You are...hopefully? (please say yes!)
@@navilluscire2567 ...have you heard of a game called "Sucker for Love"? Look up Markiplier's playthrough of it. You'll thank me later. :)
The long awaited "sexy aliens" video is (technically) finally here!
@Texas Rattlesnek I think they already have all the inspiration they need on this subject.
Well here it is, the closest thing we'll get to a Sexy Aliens episode.
Absolutely nobody :
Voyager : "Sent nudes, please respond..."
...👉👈...
Hey Issac said we're going to get catgirls. I just have to live long enough now.
@@remiscott9843 I think vsause made an episode once about the Voyager crafts we sent out of our solar system and one of the factoids were some scientist etched his dic on one just before liftoff so nobody would notice and erase it before it was too late.
@@patrioticwhitemail9119 That was the lunar lander, not Voyager. The artist was Andy Warhol because of course it was.
@@bjorntheviking6039 oh ok my bad
"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
Imagine the frenchman's reaction when they actually answer "yes, yes they are" to that^^
And your father smelt that way because he had elderberry DNA transplanted into him!
Why is there a dead parrot.
On Betelguise 5, that's considered a compliment.
@@sid2112 but it's a REALLY bad slam on Betelgeuse 6, so make SURE you're at the right spaceport, TRUST ME ON THIS
Last time I was this early my Proxima Centaurian girlfriend hadn't tried to eat my arm to seal our engagement yet. :(
Damn buddy that's rough. How is your marriage
@@blakelowrey9620 He ded
@@blakelowrey9620
She's insisting we do a "Pilgrimage of Unity" to discover if we're right for eachother.
Apparently that's uh... a 15 earth months lasting survival trip with only a knife, a water skin and your partner across some desert planet.
This was a mistake.
@@unintentionallydramatic That sounds awesome! :D
@@unintentionallydramatic don't you dare break her hearts or we will never forgive you!
"We probably won't want to make human-cat hybrids. . ."
Oh Isaac. . . sweet innocent Isaac. . . let me introduce you to this thing called "Twitter."
THEIR NUMBER KNOWS NO END, BROTHER!
I swear my wife is a cat-girl. Every time I mildly annoy her, I can just see that quiet glare while the tail thwaps back and forth. Mixing cats with people... might not get you the part of the cat you want.
@@VisiblyPinkUnicorn You underestimate the amount of rough we have.
Try, literally the entire Web.
Twitter is a weird place to start
This is the No Kinkshaming episode of SFIA
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 No no no, you see, in the far future *all* kinks are valid. Especially the ones you haven't thought of yet.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 ATLAS approves.
@@Archgeek0 I'm curious what ones I haven't thought of yet, or at the very least ones that me nor any of my head mates have.
Hopefully this video will convince my GF from The Zeti Reticuli star system to finally move in with me. Happy Valentine's Day everyone! 💞
Best comment I've read
She got a sister?
Yeah you said like 10 message over the last 35 years
I was hoping the same thing from my GF from Andromeda, but she totally ghosted me after meeting some "hivemind civilization with a stable dyson sphere."
@@ryanartward That's horrible! As the cool kids would say, "She belongs to interstellar highways!"
"Papa, where do aliens come from?"
"Furries."
Was waiting for this.
We’ll end up creating our own “aliens” if we don’t find any in the near to mid future...
Not just furries, but they'll be the most significant catalyst.
TBH id love to become my fursona. Even if that means id technically be becoming an alien.
@@Orinslayer Same here, I’m fond of the Anthro Monitor Lizard look myself, but by the time genetic engineering and nanotechnology becomes advanced enough to change our morphology like that.....we’ll all probably be long dead.😔
A First Contact short story I wrote decades ago involved the alien 'ambassador' coming onboard the human ship -- and falling into convulsions because of the 60Htz lighting.
That's a cool idea. Makes me wonder how they figured out it was the lights. And I imagine they would have to figure it out fast.
@@goliathsteinbeisser3547 It didn't go well for either side after that. Of course, I wrote it long before LED lights. The inspiration for me was that fluorescent light fixtures tend to give me headaches, especially the older ones -- combined with the Andromeda Strain scene where the flashing light induced epilepsy. So, I imagined a scene where the aliens basically had an epileptic-like attack induced by the 60 cycle lighting on the human ships.... It was something I wrote in college, circa 1980-ish.
@@patrickseaman I'm not sure why you would ever program android that way? Actual alien would be space whale or giant robot more, then anything resembling human.
@@TheRezro Not sure what you mean by android - there were none in the story. It was a 1st contact story between humans and an alien race. :-)
@@patrickseaman People should expect from aliens everything but human. People forget that talking to whale is way easier then talking to possible alien, who psychology would be completely inhuman. If there would be first contact, they would use diplomatic androids (who ironically would most likely look like humans), or use other indirect method of communication. Falling on such simple issue like smell or light sensitivity is mark of botched job.
200 years from now:
"FIDO IS GOOD BOY! FIDO HELP WITH TAXES!"
5 Minutes later:
"FIDO ATE TAX CHIP! FIDO SORRY!"
Load most recent memory* 2.7million years ago*
FIDO: *Opens door* Why yes actually! My master is actually all out of paper clips, how can I help?
I really do think that dogs are the next In line for consciousness. If things continue as they are
Im fairly certain from the moment we teach pets to talk, their gonna end up on certain nono sites
@@duo496 2 Squirrels, 1 Stick
@@mitchh3092 DEAR GOD NO
It's funny that you mention Star Trek and Humans being future Aliens, as according to their lore, all sentient species within the Milkyway Galaxy are all fairly closely related, which was basically an excuse for why they were all humanoid and how many of them could hybridize.
"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." Yoda knew. Once you open Pandora's box, you can't close it again.
"Once you go black..."
@@CyberiusT XD fk me im ded
Harkness Test refers to a hypothetical set of guidelines in which it would be permissible to have sexual intercourse with a fictional, non-human creature. The criteria are: "Does this character have human intelligence (or greater)?", "Can it talk or otherwise communicate with language?", and "Is it of sexual maturity for its species?" The list is named after Jack Harkness, a character in Doctor Who and Torchwood who displays sexual attraction to species human and non-human alike in the show. The guidelines have been edited into a graphic which itself became an exploitable as people debated the sexual eligibility of different fictional characters.
The Harkness Test is great. In such debates, I tend to use an extended list of considerations:
> Is the creature at human level or higher intelligence (addendum: and currently in a healthy mental state with the capacity to refuse as easily as any other human would, this doesn't just apply to aliens...)
> Is the creature of sexual maturity? (Addendum: Or Social 'majority/adulthood' of it's species OR yours, whichever is oldest amongst those three.)
> (addendum) Is the act even biologically safe? Not just for diseases, but physical harm from any number of anatomical issues.
> Can you communicate with them (addendum: well enough that the above questions can and are addressed).
Not blockers, per se, but other things a would-be Kirk should consider:
> If such a pairing causes that creature to get banished or otherwise ostracized, common decency dictates that you provide aid and shelter-especially if the tryst was your idea (aliens not even required, that's just a general rule imo)
> Massively different average lifespans are probably not a worry in an interstellar travel scenario, but they MIGHT be. An alien that at best lives to 40 because humans haven't figured out life extension for them yet, and her 1,500 year old post-biological human husband.... uhhhhh, wellll, that might come with problems.
> Differing biology or drive can make one party miserable even if it doesn't pose a health risk. We humans have this issue *with other humans* often enough that the divorce papers caused by such pave the streets to every county Courthouse in existence. That's not even counting situations like: 'Our illustrious Captain didn't find out his new Space Cat Girl Bride is only interested twice a year until after the honeymoon'.
> And the rather numerous and unnerving implication of species uplifted *explicitly for gratification*. see: the first addendum.
All in All, for the reasons above, I agree with Issac with the addition that *even if there ARE other alien civilizations out there* Humans will likely stick to other humans or post-humans for romantic companionship, with elevated species as a possible second place-albeit likely with social taboos associated. It's going to be easier to feel certain the other party's willing if the other party's human, that's something MOST people want to be absolutely certain of.
@@DFX2KX Sweet mother of walltext.
@@unintentionallydramatic Sorry, XD I do that from time to time
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 wow like no need to be an ass
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 No, I don't think it was enlightened, but it seemed like a worthwhile additions. Psychological disorders or trauma we humans might not notice was my first thought.
But then again, maybe a Yes is a Yes to you and you don't care how you got it.
*I know what the Alien ladies like* - _Unknown author before being probed_
I guest HE's the alien lady now...
Ahh, your sister's a Triffid. 😳
@@matthewdavies2057 nope but you're gonna wish you were blind and that alien lady is my mother and fathers.
Follow the example of Captain Kirk and Commander Shepard.
Let's bang the galaxy.
Love is not a commodity that only we own, it's ubiquitous thought all forms of life. From the lowly tardigrade to us humans, love can will and should always be noticed for the value it holds.
if the kirk example (pre-2009) is anything, I have pity for the aliens that are trying to hide evil plots from humanity, lol. the only example I can think of with Shepard, was that independent human space drifter that appeared to hate him more than have any interest the way he was always tortured to within millimeters of death by her and the crew and she outright tried to kill him a few times. when Shepard said "I think she likes me" that was clearly sarcasm regarding the mutual discontent they had for each other. tho I guess the trope persists and is funny to some.
*Looks up at the stars imagining all the civilizations and countless species that we have yet to discover out in the stars*
We'll bang later, ok?
@@silentwisdom7025 But humans are the only beings capable of love on our planet...
Future ads: Hot alien singles in your area!
Just 5 light years from you
That's derogatory. You'll get way more moon-tang with "extraterrestrial American"
Me (watching anime on totally legal sites): where is the close button, where is it
considering the number of people who devote their lives to studying various invertebrates, carnivorous plants, or various amphibians, I find it hard to believe 'the novelty' of being around aliens would wear off on people.
Specialists and enthusiasts would certainly keep the novelty up, but it would wear off on normal people.
Example: People are extra curious about the first foreigner or racial minority they meet, but once they've met ~20, they stop being as curious beyond some initial surprise - if that.
The more time you spend around a new race, the more human they will seem to you. You'll start to view them as individuals, and eventually if the aliens are remotely human-like in any respect, I predict a Rite of Passage amongst teenagers in multi-species societies. Go to the prom with zoltax from Sirius-B. Hook up later.
I personally think every civilization will engage in one level or another of resource and personnel exchange, regardless of difficulty, resulting in every species that is physically capable of surviving together doing so to some degree.
Some civilisation may wear exosuits if face to face meetings were absolutely necessary
Little Johnny approached his father and said "Where did I come from". The father sat down and explained all the intricacies of sex and birth before asking "Why do you want to know?" Johnny replied: "My friend Tom says he comes from Sydney. So I wondered where we came from."
The bit about smart dogs and fighting for pet liberation reminded me of the 'housepets' comic. Which starts as over of those silly funny talking pets/ slice of life things, and then a few years on, a ferret is starting a civil rights movement.
Wait what? Cripes. I used to read that webcomic long ago. I loved the concept and story of pets having the intelligence of children and acting as children to their humans. While I do acknowledge it is a natural progression, I can't help but wonder if it strayed a bit too much. Then again, I liked it as a SOL comic.
I love that comic!
@@IAsimov it went pretty far. but its still good.
There's a Rick and Morty episode that deals with this subject.
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only yiff
i.imgur. com/ DU3dNjs.jpg
Not if Atlas can help.
Magnus's Fury.mp4
This is the best ending.
Avenge me brother
Truly the ideal ending
An Isaac Arthur episode on Valentine's Day? I think I'm in love...
We might have a multi-species civilization through uplifting other species, too.
i can see people up,ifting animals to be more intelligent(on a human level or above) an have more antropromorfic characteristics butt i do not think most peopls would treat them as equals but more as servants or lesser beings witch is something i would be against
Is someone gonna be in love with an uplifted coco?
@@liusam651 what is a coco ??
@@liusam651 i am curios to what you mean
@@yeout4386 the capability to uplift anything would take some time for humanity to acquire. By that time through genetic engineering and advancements in culture and education I doubt humans will consider something of human intelligence to be a lesser being unless if it actually isn't as advanced as future humans in some way. Also, it makes sense that they would use AI for everything instead of biological servants.
I don't know if you've heard of it at all, but one of the old webcomics I've been reading for ages, Freefall, has an uplifted wolf engineer who mentions that during their training they'd sometimes end up shouting to be heard above the noise of loud machinery only to find out that the humans around her couldn't hear it at all. Machinery designed to be silent for humans isn't necessarily silent to someone who can hear much higher frequencies XD
As far as uplifted pets go, I just want immortal cats
Hello there, fellow Freefall reader. I got to that webcomics from the Atomic Rockets website, and it is pretty great!
Thanks for the recommendation. Getting quite a few chuckles so far. I assume you're already familiar with Schlock Mercenary? That's my favorite worldbuilding behind Isaac Aasimov. (Please ignore the art in the first few arcs. It gets better. Slightly. Nothing worse than the diplomat, thankfully.)
@@r3dp9 I've not read that one, I'll take a look :)
@@HorzaPanda I did read it, and it is pretty cool. Too bad it has already ended.
When you were talking about the cone habitats with multiple gravity ranges, the slightly outstretched arms of the Citadel from Mass Effect come to mind. That station is a perfect example of those concepts. I even think they have a ammonia-atmosphere section for the volus (ammonia breathers, have to wear atmo suits in standard atmosphere).
Cat girls, yes.
Lets uplift the doggos to human level of intelligence and give them human speech!
*Five minutes later*
"Where are my balls summer? What did you do to my balls?"
Yeh, I straight wanted to remind Rick and Morty episode to anyone who want uplift animals... bad idea!
Petition to refer to uplifted cats as "Khajiit", as long as they're fine with it, of course
Khajiit is fine if you have coins
only if uplifted lizards are called "Argonians"
We more end with Kilrathi in this case, especially as Cats are sadist by nature.
@@TheRezro Kinky... ;)
Great. Here comes the racist war on skooma.
Video idea: "humans as THE alien monsters". For context, google the story: Deathworlders.
I think that series must be at well over 1.5 million words by now, or 2.5 times the length of "War and Peace". That is a lot of reading!
Great series despite its rough patches, I think it's my current favorite bit of modern worldbuilding
Deathworlders is a pretty good story. The author has some ideas that they can't let go of and sometimes it's a bit obsession of the month, but definitely a good read.
@@Pile_of_carbon this. It swings wildly between some of the best scifi writing ive seen, and repetitive annoying parts
I've been reading up on the Lipivore theory of hominin evolution and tool use, which posits that the great expansion of brain size was enabled by a new source of high energy food. Brains and bone marrow are difficult for primary predators to extract from large prey (even for hyenas), but bashing the skulls and long bones of carrion provided the boost needed for our small-bodied modest-brained ancestors to move up the food chain.
Rocks damaged by bashing on bones, and the splintered bones themselves, produced sharp flakes by accident which slowly led to the use of the flakes themselves as tools rather than trash.
At about the same time, hominins developed the suite of enhanced cooling and extreme endurance running that enabled cursorial hunting. Put the two together, and it's nightmare fuel for every other creature on earth (also known as "dinner").
The hominin hunters are slow but relentless, shambling after the prey night and day, the tortoise and the hare with deadly intent. The blown-out victim, terrified for hours or days, finally gives up and lets the monsters walk up to it. Even in death, there is no escape. They break the skull and bones to extract the treasure within and leave only fragments.
Humans owe our exalted position in command of the world to zombie pirates.
Refs:
www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/comments/jb34w9/the_lipivore_what_is_fat_for_new_presentation_by/
czcams.com/video/b1C5wW7hePs/video.html
www.mostly-fat.com/
Really nice you brought up the smell thing, which is a trope in star trek... I work in an end life old folks home and I clean the elderly infirm all day and am constantly assaulted by smells of foecal matter and necrotic flesh, the latter being by far the worst... It is worth noting that animals are far less, at times not at all bothered by these smells, despite the ability of many to track based on smell... I have trouble believing vulcans, despite their greater sense of smell being more bothered than we are by the average body of a human unless there was a biological imperative for such a thing. I have noticed that humans are discerning in what smells bother them mainly on the basis that such smells denote something of danger to them.
So true, that's how we interpret bad smells is due to our evolution, associating bad smells as something dangerous or not to go near to.
Warning smells seem to evolve with the biology of different problems. If Vulcan necrosis or poisonous plants gave off chemicals similar to Human sweat, then I can easily imagine it being a stressful point for Vulcans. For comparison, a group of US soldiers smelled something unusual from a building and investigated. Turns out it was an Iraqi pickle factory and the US soldiers were unfamiliar with the massive concentrated vinegar smells outside chemical plants or disinfectants. Conscious awareness of the difference has its limits.
@@Lawofimprobability good points, never considered that 😂
@@Lawofimprobability for sure, but that is not how star trek presented the issue. They simply stated that vulcans had a great sense of smell and disliked being surrounded by humans, their food and their pets, and likely anything else the writer of the week felt like adding, which is counter intuitive when we look at the reactions of other lifeforms we know of who have a sense of smell which is more developed than humans...
@@kevg1617 Imagine being in a bar, and the alien next to you says, "Dude, I can smell that chick's pheromones. She's totally into you!"
Im sure we could adapt to the smell issue. I for one, have grown to like the smell of skunks, foxes etc after years of working with them, and even to a small degree in childhood. And most people can't stand to be around either of those. Foxes smell stronger than you think up close. And they like to pee a lot. Sometimes, even on the human trying to help their poor ass.
One of my favorite stories was of this guy who bred foxes, and mid-interview they remarked "domesticated or not, foxes are crazy. One morning, everything will be fine, then the next morning, I'll take a sip of my coffee and go 'Yep, he pissed in it again.'" I don't think they mentioned the smell though. And that's some serious paraphrasing on my part since I can't find the interview anymore.
Let be honest. Most actual aliens would be so inhuman, that you would most likely contact they diplomatic androids. Smell would never be actually issue or if there would be one, it would be way worst. Lovecraft was SF writer after all ;D
@@theironsword1954 well if you live with them id imagine you'll get noseblind to it. I never had the chance to be around them that long.
That coffee thing makes sense. They really like to pee
Also, I haven't heard anyone else mention this. But to me, coffee smells like fox musk.
I can't drink it anymore. I only drink energy drinks if i need caffeine. Especially fresh coffee grounds.
This made me think about how basically all sci-fi assumes all other aliens also killed off their cousins like we killed the Neanderthals.
Genetic evidence shows we interbred with them. Depending on you ancestry, you could have 0.5% (Africa) to 4+% (parts of Asia & Europe).
@@TraditionalAnglican Oh we have more cousins who mysteriously disappeared, it's not just the Neanderthals.
@@rodneyericjohnson We probably tried to fu...er, I mean mate with them as well.
@@rodneyericjohnson
Homo floresiensis, up to 10,000 ago. Live on in oral mythology as the Ebu Gogo.
I actually really needed this since im trying to create my own universe :v
I can image a similar comment millenia and millenia in the future from a member of a K5 civilization.
acorns make oaks and oaks make acorns
If you want be realistic, use diplomatic androids or other indirect forms of communications. As actual aliens would be Lovecraftian in nature.
@@TheRezro i have some aliens kinda like that, but some are humanoid so that you can relate to them more
Awwww man, xenophilia time
Me writing sci-fi:
Not in my watch.
@@tyalikanky what about on your clock?
AI ATLAS is monitoring this communication section for signs of Class E degeneracy.
i.imgur. com/ DU3dNjs.jpg
No further steps are required.
@@Fridaey13txhOktober Damn bro, I’m sorry for your loss
“You’d no more get human alien hybrids that way than you’d get a Treant from LotR than by nailing a tree.” ... 🙂🙃😂
I'm pretty sure he said Ent, actually.
@@DavidChipman sorry to much dungeons and dragons.
@@nicoledickens2366 Never there is no such thing as too much D&D
He also said marrying a tree. This is a family friendly show as he is fond of saying.
@@jwadaow thank you for the correction. Funny either way. 😘
A smarter cat? no thanks, they're already wilful, malicious and stubborn. I can imagine nothing worse than doublng their intelligence.
I'm not a cat lawyer
@@remiscott9843 lol
I knew that Valentine's Day would get a wink and a nod here.
He has a 3D mate, unlike the rest of us wifu guys. Sigh.
@@matthewdavies2057 you'll find someone eventually.
@@davidweikle9921 Optimist!
@@matthewdavies2057 realist, actually. Given enough time you'll be able to buy a lifetime companion if nothing else.
A most informative video on a common Sci-Fi trope. Great work as always.
Glad you liked it!
I can guarantee that Japan will be the first to introduce Cat human hybrids and most will work in maid cafes.
I think the French will be right behind them seeing as the maid outfits are literal French maids.
@@KRYMauL I think there would be a lot of people wanting to go animal hybrid personally. Lots of animals have greater resistances and abilities compared to humans, for example the eyes for humans are rather ineffective as they evolved backwards (see recent PBS Sci Show on this) where as Cephalopods eyes are the right way round regarding nerve to optics (they are basically wired the opposite way to humans and are more efficient). Sponges for example can withstand up to 20 times Earth Gravity! Could then see hybrids being far more suitable for live off of Earth. The list is endless really.
But still, who wouldn't want a cute cat Japanese maid nya nya? :D
As long as we get lusty lizards in maid outfits too.😏
@@Barabel22 Oh no....no Argonian maids! lol
@@anarchyantz1564 I was making a joke, but thanks for the info.
David Brin's Uplifting series is quite interesting regarding that. There, the galaxy is filled with countless intelligent species that all engage in uplifting, where they improve species with the potential for it genetically and culturally so that they become members of this civilization themselves. Each species usually uplift species that are similar to them in some regard or are related to them, eg humans uplifted dolphins and chimpanzees, and so on one hand shared biospheres are very common between similar species, and very different species try to stay away from each other because it is not only hard to meet (for example a lot of species there are hydrogen breathing but take up almost no space in the novels because they go their own business) but also because they are not very compatible culturally or philosophically as well.
And 99% of the time in that series, Interspecies Relationships don’t work out...😔
I really want to read hydrogen breather Shakespeer and Karl Marx now.
I'd argue that if I have uplifted my dog to human intelligence, he is no longer my pet, but my roommate. Presumably a person and a citizen, and treating him otherwise would be repression.
Of course, that has to take into account that "intelligence" is a nebulous term. We are assuming he has about the same abilities as a human in most situations, and as such could do things like for example shop for his own groceries and decide who to vote for, at about the same level as a human.
It can become tricky with a being who's intelligence cannot be said to be below humans, but different.
For example, it is a common idea that dogs have a very poor sense of time passing, and thus cannot tell if daddy have been away for five minutes or ten hours. I have no idea if this is true, but let's assume for the sake of argument that it is. What if we uplifted a dog so it could discuss Aristotle with me and fix my computer, but still retained that poor sense of time? Then the person/pet dichotomy becomes more muddled.
usually intelligence has a more specific definition when comsidered technologically or legaly. the bar is probably "General Intelligence"(in the context of AI research) since that's the point at which any autonomous system becomes legitimately dangerous to other general intelligences & the point where they can start using science to continue to uplift themselves.
Then it would be the same as having a human with a specific disability. A blind human is incapable of sight (which is common to most humans) but would still have the rights of an average human, while not having all of the abilities. So a dog with a poor sense of time would similarly be an independent citizen with a particular disability.
@@zetaforever4953 Hm, makes sense.
Idea for an episode.
Intellegent and size.
Could it be possible to be intellegent if uou very small? 1mm? 1micrometer? What about the other size? 10m 100m? Planet size?
Interestingly, I was thinking of details for a world I’m making. Basically theres two human-like subspecies. One lives on a super earth with a thick atmosphere and gravity 80 percent greater than earth, while the second lives on its habitable moon with a thinner atmosphere and gravity only 40 percent that of earth. While the two subspecies are genetically very similar, millennia of living on worlds with a wildly different conditions makes the two sharing an environment very hard.
Maybe you should notice that worlds with gravity much higher than ours will find getting off their planet that much more difficult. Your super-earth might find that even NERVA technology is not quite sufficient to reach orbit, and decide that anything stronger is too dangerous to develop.
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imagine a species with no dedicated ears that uses sound as a language and speaks so loudly you can feel the sound throughout your entire body
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imagine living with someone whose neurobiology is so fundamentally different that the very concept of sleep or tiredness is utterly foreign to them
22:30 Reject humanity, return to cat.
How about uplifting my dog to have opposable thumbs so he can grab me a beer?
Valerian and the City of 1000 Planets has a cool concept of this. As always awesome video Arthur!
This was really fun listening to vast scenarios of different chemistry/needs these theoretical aliens will have. About half way though I got curious if you've done a video on the theory of zoo hypothesis, and BAM you've already done a video on it. That'll be next on my list.
Absolutely love seeing these videos deconstructing the usually assumed themes of aliens.
The future of OnlyFans will definitely be............. interesting.
Will you even have onlyfan? I mean, if you can travel space, i dont think we are going to need to sell our body for food anymore. At least i hope so..if we have space travel and still have people who sell themselves for money...damn something went wrong somewhere. xD
You'd need actual survival pressures to ensure that no live specimen behaved like an idiot all of the time. It's fashionable to think all problems are systemic but there are plenty of people who simply refuse to act according to even most fundamental standards since there is no real penalty for it.
@@ToneyCrimson never underestimate what people will do for money....
@@ToneyCrimson Some people would probably do it for fun.
Why cant aliens just show up now man
Thank you for this Video Isaac Arthur, I swear to God, this is exactly what my World Building needs!!!
You're very welcome!
@@isaacarthurSFIA I have an intellectual question to ask:
On the Kardashev Scale, do you suppose I should go for multiple Type One Civilizations, or more likely multiple Type 2 Civilizations, for Alien Co-Habitation?
Rocket techladder:
1. Chemical: things like hydrogen, methane, rp1.
2. ion based: ion engines, plasma engine
3. Fission powerd. Powered engine or nukes.
4. Fusion and lazer. Any fusion form or lazar pushed. (Interstellar unlocked).
5. Blackhole and antimatter. Most efficiënt sub lightspeed if lazars are not an option, say like going to a place no one been before.
6. Alcubierre drive or anything above lightspeed. We dont even know if this could even be possible
7. Instant travel anywhere in the universe and beyond.
I just got done watching your dark matter episode, perfect timing.
Is this the Sexy Aliens episode I asked for?
*It would be rather interesting if humans end up in the magical universal happy average spot between all alien species .*
04:50 Those bats look like fruit bats, which generally don't use echolocation and generally their hearing is not anything startling. They have very good eyesight, as they use vision (including color) to find ripe fruit.
Your videos are so amazing the quality is top teir
Could we grow whole new psychedelic plants/fungi in the future with genetic engineering? Weird question but it seems like something fun a post-scarcity humanity would be likely to try
Given the insolation variation in potential "goldilocks zones" Earthlike planets are likely to have widely varying levels of carbon dioxide. This is hardly an unsolvable problem, but it means having numbers of unmodified oxygen-breathers breathing the same air is unlikely.
Animals do just as well with half a percent of CO2 concentration as with no CO2 at all, so an atmosphere free of it completely wouldn't have this problem. Of course, if sentient plants become a thing, then yes the CO2 level will be difficult to compromise with.
@@chrisgaming9567 I was talking more about high carbon dioxide than low.
Love your videos man!!
three minutes uploaded and already 500 views? that's... kinda expected by this point, but still impressive
I think you're right in that if we meet aliens the cultural differences will be the thing that most keeps us apart. Obviously there might be some flings but long term might be difficult. The more likely scenario is humans who have become alien.
"Don't ingest" - mordin
“I sure wouldn’t mind getting some more of that Arcturian poontang”. 😆
"Except the one you had was male."
“It don’t matter when it’s Arcturian!”
Great art this episode, thanks!
My alien GF gave me roses for Valentine's day, but it turns out they're toxic for humans and put me in a coma. Andromeda girls, am I right?
Yes Inquisitor, this video here.
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Great video.
You know. If humanity made something like cat or dog people, we would probably have more in common with them then actual aliens.
So far, that seems the closer case scenario, and it seems even Arthur believes it. If we uplift species, chances are we will be designing them to our own concept of adaptable atmosphere and conditions, intelligence, morals, and humanity.
@@IAsimov and just even if we make stuff like that, we would be a lot more willing to work with them then true aliens. As a example, I think making real life cat-people is a bad idea. But I wouldn't say would should kill them after they were made. And people like myself would probably be way more willing to live with people with cat ears and tails and likes to Hunt birds, then a weird technical gas alien that eats 90% of it's baby's.
@@willnorman-bargo Oh yeah. It's an ethical problem on the same grounds as genetic modification and designer babies, with the exception this is giving *sapience* to another species. Once that enters the picture, it's a creature with not only rights and obligations, but free will of their own... a free will we craft closer to our own, for good or ill.
But, as you mention, aliens would have so entirely different concepts of morality and living environments, our closest sapient friends would be the ones we design ourselves. While we'd get used to eldritch starfish aliens that are still the closest to us in terms of morality and psychology, we'd have easier cohabitation with creatures we ourselves pick and design.
@@IAsimov very true. And any species or race or whatever you want to call it, unless we go full evil and make them a slave species and even then. If they have human free will they would likely become part of our society, cultures and religions. So even if they didn't start out thinking like us, they probably would over time.
@@willnorman-bargo Who need genetic engineering when some people voluntarily turn themselves in cyborg-antros?
imagine living together with the excessively guesturing background footage aliens
Imagine you got knocked out and went into a deep coma, then miraculous new technology was developed the next day that could essentially put you in indefinite stasis.
Then 36,000 years later they remember you still exist and wake you up, and now everybody is an actual furry.
Another great video
There is a good reason why most Anime worlds have some type of hybrid Human/Cat girls. They sell, and a large portion of the real world population would probably pay for it to happen.
Seems obvious that multi-alien scenarios require some kind of AI chaperone.
Misread that as ‘require some kind of Al CHapone’ -
The intergalactic standard wingman, alien translator, and ALCoHolic alien intoxicant converter, your uplifted bar tab manager who likes to watch rule34 applied to the universe.
ATLAS can handle it.
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Probably.
when you're so early the video length is longer than the number of minutes since the video was posted:
The point you made about exploding food had me in stitches, lol! I love the fact that it's entirely possible too...
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Time stamp 23:23. Interesting inclusion of an Eagle transporter from Space 1999. Although I doubt if they are going to complain.
Space 1999 was a UK produced sci fi series where the moon is kicked out of earth orbit following a huge nuclear accident. It then travels through the universe encountering various alien species.
I'm glad you're an Iain Banks fan. He's one of the best at exploring the impact of technology on society, imo.
7:32-8:10 honestly It seems to me that VR, AR, and Android avatars (either grown or printed/fabricated when a physical presence is nessisrary similar to the movie avatar but ideally not used for colonialism) would be the norm in these cases rather than expecting someone to "tough it out" when these options would definitely be available (especially AR and VR) it would look a lot like the jedi council in starwars but instead of low resolution, blue holograms they would be high resolution, full color avatars and depending on the formality of the encounter maybe just a screen floating in the air (like current day video chat software but AR so in a specific spot or just overlays on your vision) all the way to VR chat style custom avatars or even whatever the technology allows in terms of realistic 3d renderings of one's actual apearence.
I see this as way more likely when shared environments in meatspace aren't viable for one reason on another. Hell if they're within range for instant light speed communication (say in the same Dyson swarm but not the same habitat or, too far away but still in the same habitat) they may just use this instead of physical interaction anyway
If you're nearby, sure, but imagine a scenario between the earth and moon where you try having interspecies sex with a 2.5 second lag.
I usually listen to these videos while falling asleep so I normally don’t see the visuals.. i am so glad I decided to “watch watch” this one!!
My current sci-fi project involves earth and a sister world which has strangely similar intelligent life. I think I'll explain this with panspermia or some other common ancestry theory.
Both civilizations developed in parallel, not knowing about the other until radio telescopes were first pointed to the heavens. Landers were sent and eventually we learned to communicate with each other. We can breath their air and they can have ours, but I'd imagine each would prefer what they evolved with. Gravity is also close enough to be liveable, though humans probably aren't that fond of 1.1g.
Both civilizations are in the mid to upper K1 type. Probably a 1.5 to 1.6 each. This makes asteroid mining a lucrative business at the time as both are expanding towards K2 territory.
While the gravity wells of each homeworld are predominantly populated by that species, Mars, the Asteroid Belt, some Venusian and Jovian Moon colonies offer a pretty good mix of the 2. Ships' crews represent a wide range of populations, though the main characters are a diverse bunch by the end of the story.
There is 1 inter-species relationship in the main characters. Due to the similarities between the peoples' anatomies, intercourse is possible. The offspring (I'd image fertilization to be rare, but technically the chance is never 0%) however, would need to be delivered surgically and would be sterile. Any child would look to be a physical hybrid of the 2, like a Z-donke is a zebra and donkey.
Babylon 5 was a great example of different environment's all on the same space station, alien booze is what I would be interested in, so you would find me in the zocalo, I think Londo would make a great drinking bubby.
I wouldn't want to touch those cards after he cheats at poker.
The great awaited sexy aliens episode from Adamcast...
Great episode! During the second lockdown I've been learning now to create EDM music I wonder if skill share has anything on that. Could be worth looking into. Thanks for the awesome content!
The humor in this episode is on point. And so is everything else. :D
im gonna take this earlybird opportunity to say ISAAC PLEASE GO ON LEX FRIDMANS PODCAST
I second this!
@@spacetexan8695 I third this!!!!! KEEP THIS GOING SO HE ACTUALLY GETS ON LEX'S PODCAST!
Forward the motion people! 😂
Yup, this would be awesome
@@garret1930 super awesome
Idk if they could do it in the same room but either way would be amazing
Star Trek TOS episode ‘Journey to Babel ‘ comes to mind.
pretty much any TOS episode where kirk meets an alien women fits with this
I like it how he talks about beastiality not being a big deal
There's another woke agenda trying to make beastiality seem okay not only is this unethical this is downright stupid I would shoot those funking hybrids to Funk and Oblivion
Just a mere idea makes my insides vomit with hatred
And not only that our alien friends would probably feel the same thing
21:12 regarding the point about a pet that was as smart as a human, people probably would be uncomfortable with that, and any intelligence boost close enough to the human baseline would probably result in a push for citizenship rather than trying to figure out a relationship where something as smart as your roommate is utterly dependant on you.
Thanks again
Always welcome
Hearings too good, get auditory units that cover your ears and modify incoming sounds. Overly or under sensitive eyes? Then optical goggles or glasses that modify the incoming light or other radiation into a form they can use. I could imagine a system for bats that replicates the sounds for their environment based on a live 3d scanning of the environment, possibly provided by the station itself to make individual head pieces cheaper and able to better "see" all around them.
So people could easily enough move around eachother, but many would likely yes have facial coverings and stuff, though many also may have happy mediums we can accept. Like areas with low light for humans that's not too strong for others, but still bright enough we can see. High humidity that helps others skin stay moist, but not quite so high humans can't move around without getting overly sweaty or sticky feeling. Of coarse this all assumes relatively similar core lifeforms, I mean a large sentient space squid we'll probably just go out in space suits or talk remotely online with. In fact using VR systems to all talk in a nice virtual world that each of us experiences as being friendly to us might be the preferred method for most types of interaction, with in person being the more rare type.
Economic zones such as spaceports or diplomatic missions are likely the only place where you would find multi-species habitats. Babylon 5's depiction of that reality is most realistic. As far as cohabitation is concerned, the greater the physiological differences between the two parties, the less chance of it happening.
Great video as always!
There are definitelly some issues with the idea of inhansing pet intelligence. Imagine a cat using its superior cognition to fulfill it's less ape like, more predatory, asocial instinctive desires. It would likely be pretty dangerous.
You never disappoint us Isaac.
I agree with you, Isaac Arthur has never disappointed me.
"if aliens exist there MAY come a day when we live and work alongside them"
- *sad lizard people noises intensify*
If differences between etnicities divide humans so much just imagine with actual space aliens. The star wars idea seems far fetched, though more realistic than the rest of starwars.
Do you feel any guild or remorse regard livestock you consume? Humans and Incubators share history together... we at least give you a choice. Kyubey.
The video I've been waiting for comes out on valentine's day. 😘
@23:38
That is definitely a shuttlecraft from "Space 1999"!