These are the best BIS vids for SoD I’ve seen, deserve more subs. Watched both the Holy and Ret version extensively, you included a ton of options for each slot
I feel like you very much underestimate int for ret. There's not one fight in BFD that I couldn't use my full mana bar or more. I feel like int on your scale should be close to 1 if not 1. It doesn't just increase your max mana, but also increases the amount you get back from crusader strike. You're able to do way more dmg if you can use exorcism, and seal twisting, which takes a TON of mana. Personally if I had to weigh int it would be .8. Which would make agil comfortably better and str being way better than int.
Other than sergeant's cape and seal of wrynn (and verigan's fist until you get better) what would you have int on? With so much of ret dps coming from melee, crusader strike, seal of command and divine storm, I can't see sacrificing really any str or agi at all to try and squeeze an extra exorcism or judgement in to be +ev. Looking at the top ret logs, they all seem to be on this thinking also.
You removed all your other Bis vids? I really hope you bring them back again, they were my go to quick guides. I especially appreciated the alternative sections that had good quest reward options!
I just made the unpublished since they're out of date, working on making updated versions of each of them (but been busy over christmas). If you let me know which ones you want I can give you links to them
For any paladin that needs that belt. I'm 25, decent gear. Can easily solo. Best would probably 2man it with a hunter or rogue that wants leggings of the fang. But definitely soloable. Make sure you have your runes though (mainly divine storm)
Cheers for watching. I think so, it's slower which is nice, the proc is good especially on trash/aoe, it has a hit%, but a little less dps and you lose the stam/int/spir. Overall I think it comes out ahead.
With the set bonus, twilight avenger's is well ahead. Artemis cowl is second best (and about equivalent with no other pieces) but I'd only take it if no leather-wearer needs it as the leather will be much higher competition than the mail and the twilight avenger's is markedly better once you get set bonus.
Ive see a few sources claiming the leather working gloves are BiS for Ret, these epic crafts are unique and cant be used with eachother. The argument seems to be the epic BS chest shifting breastplate upgrade takes a hit in raw stats and the curse is a proc. The LW void touched gloves has an on use for 10% fast attack speed. What are your thoughts on this? I am currently 150 blacksmithing and dont want to drop mining (as it was harder to level). Im about to get my first void shard. Should i drop BS and go the gloves or keep my BS and just get the chest? For reference im more interested in PVP than PVE, using PVE as a means to an end for gear.
The difference is very small and only true when you really get towards absolute full bis - for the gloves to be better you need to have the 3-set hit bonus, since that's what puts gloves+3set over 2-set+chest. For almost all of the phase the chest will be better and for PVP it's much better.
@@_Foobar fantastic, saves me alot of work on professions too! Appreciate all your hard work on your videos and answering all the community questions :)
www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/paladin/--50230051_156p276sna6nx I don't know why anyone would run seal of crusader except just to judge it but if anyone has a good argument for it I'd be keen to hear!
Yep sure is but pvp gear should be very similar. The main changes would just be to use Twilight Defender's Girdle from BFD over cobrahn's grasp , Glowing Fetish Amulet over High Tide Choker and Band of Deep places for ring(s). Basically you want more stam in pvp but other than that it's same.
Technically optimal would be to use epic BS chest until you get all three avengers mail set then get another shard and make the gloves (which apparently you can do but I haven't tried) if you're happy to have your professions be exactly LW+BS or to switch. BS chest is better until 3set and with 3set it's actually really close. 2pc+BS chest+algae vs 3pc twilight avenger's plus the gloves ends up being 13str vs 9 agi and a hit. To give an idea, of the top 5 parses currently, there are 4 chests and 0 gloves. I wouldn't be surprised to see that change by the end of the phase though, it will probably be something like for the first 15 BFDs of the phase, chest wins and for the last 5 BFD gloves win. Personally I'd just make the chest and not worry unless you're actually trying to get a 100 parse
The main downside is that you can't wear it with the epic chest which is also very good. If you have 3pc twilight avenger's, then that plus the gloves is pretty even with epic chest + 2pc + algae. It ends up being 13str vs 9 agi and a hit There'll be some breakpoint of dps where 9 agi and a hit is more dps than 13 strength (since str is flat dps increase and agi/hit is %-based) but I dunno where that is, I'd be very happy with either and probably just base it on do you want to have BS or LW as your profession?
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These are the best BIS vids for SoD I’ve seen, deserve more subs. Watched both the Holy and Ret version extensively, you included a ton of options for each slot
Cheers, glad you liked 'em
for real, earned my sub!
Thank you for the video, great info. I’m farming my pre-raid bis atm and this is super helpful and by far the best I’ve seen so far online.
Cheers, glad you found it useful
Solid video bro, cheers from Hawaii
Cheers!
Great stuff man!! subscribing for next phase!!
Cheers, glad you enjoyed.
I feel like you very much underestimate int for ret. There's not one fight in BFD that I couldn't use my full mana bar or more. I feel like int on your scale should be close to 1 if not 1. It doesn't just increase your max mana, but also increases the amount you get back from crusader strike. You're able to do way more dmg if you can use exorcism, and seal twisting, which takes a TON of mana. Personally if I had to weigh int it would be .8. Which would make agil comfortably better and str being way better than int.
Other than sergeant's cape and seal of wrynn (and verigan's fist until you get better) what would you have int on?
With so much of ret dps coming from melee, crusader strike, seal of command and divine storm, I can't see sacrificing really any str or agi at all to try and squeeze an extra exorcism or judgement in to be +ev. Looking at the top ret logs, they all seem to be on this thinking also.
Very solid content! Subbed :)
Cheers :D
You removed all your other Bis vids? I really hope you bring them back again, they were my go to quick guides. I especially appreciated the alternative sections that had good quest reward options!
I just made the unpublished since they're out of date, working on making updated versions of each of them (but been busy over christmas). If you let me know which ones you want I can give you links to them
I put 'em back and just tagged them with [OLD]
Only improvment suggestion you can maybe ad the Map Points for the Vendor and stuff but nice Video ;)
Hey thanks for watching, and sure thing, good idea.
Hope you do one on Prot pally!
Will do! :)
@@_Foobar awesome!
Good video, they're getting better now when we know more. also appreciate you having enchants now.
What class is up next?
Cheers. Gonna do a reupload of the hunter with the new bfd gear next, then meta (tank) warlock.
For any paladin that needs that belt. I'm 25, decent gear. Can easily solo.
Best would probably 2man it with a hunter or rogue that wants leggings of the fang. But definitely soloable. Make sure you have your runes though (mainly divine storm)
nice one, and yeah druids will also want the legs if you're looking for a duo
hey very cool guide. thx for this :) i got one question: is fathomblade better than verigans fist?
Cheers for watching. I think so, it's slower which is nice, the proc is good especially on trash/aoe, it has a hit%, but a little less dps and you lose the stam/int/spir. Overall I think it comes out ahead.
Damn, this channel has far too low subscribers than it deserves. Thanks man, I been looking for a guide like this and couldn't find anywhere!
Cheers glad you enjoyed it
thx for thia information bro
cheers
What about 'Mantle of the Second War' now that's in the game?
I also thought about that
I'm pretty sure it's just a trap. Spell power is just not as good as physical dps stats for ret paladin.
What about artemis cowl icy veins says that bis
With the set bonus, twilight avenger's is well ahead. Artemis cowl is second best (and about equivalent with no other pieces) but I'd only take it if no leather-wearer needs it as the leather will be much higher competition than the mail and the twilight avenger's is markedly better once you get set bonus.
What are your thoughts on the Leatherworking gloves? Not mentioned because no strength?
Can't wear them with the chest, which is much better (void touched epics are unique equipped)
Ive see a few sources claiming the leather working gloves are BiS for Ret, these epic crafts are unique and cant be used with eachother. The argument seems to be the epic BS chest shifting breastplate upgrade takes a hit in raw stats and the curse is a proc. The LW void touched gloves has an on use for 10% fast attack speed. What are your thoughts on this?
I am currently 150 blacksmithing and dont want to drop mining (as it was harder to level). Im about to get my first void shard. Should i drop BS and go the gloves or keep my BS and just get the chest?
For reference im more interested in PVP than PVE, using PVE as a means to an end for gear.
The difference is very small and only true when you really get towards absolute full bis - for the gloves to be better you need to have the 3-set hit bonus, since that's what puts gloves+3set over 2-set+chest.
For almost all of the phase the chest will be better and for PVP it's much better.
@@_Foobar fantastic, saves me alot of work on professions too! Appreciate all your hard work on your videos and answering all the community questions :)
@@aaroncullen1803 Cheers!
What spec are you running for raids?
Some people run seal of the crusader instead of seal of command?
www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/paladin/--50230051_156p276sna6nx
I don't know why anyone would run seal of crusader except just to judge it but if anyone has a good argument for it I'd be keen to hear!
I assume this is bis for PVE right ?
Can you also make a video about PVP Bis ? :)
Yep sure is but pvp gear should be very similar.
The main changes would just be to use Twilight Defender's Girdle from BFD over cobrahn's grasp , Glowing Fetish Amulet over High Tide Choker and Band of Deep places for ring(s).
Basically you want more stam in pvp but other than that it's same.
is it not better to go 3 piece avengers mail set and then craft epic lw gloves?
Technically optimal would be to use epic BS chest until you get all three avengers mail set then get another shard and make the gloves (which apparently you can do but I haven't tried) if you're happy to have your professions be exactly LW+BS or to switch. BS chest is better until 3set and with 3set it's actually really close.
2pc+BS chest+algae vs 3pc twilight avenger's plus the gloves ends up being 13str vs 9 agi and a hit.
To give an idea, of the top 5 parses currently, there are 4 chests and 0 gloves. I wouldn't be surprised to see that change by the end of the phase though, it will probably be something like for the first 15 BFDs of the phase, chest wins and for the last 5 BFD gloves win. Personally I'd just make the chest and not worry unless you're actually trying to get a 100 parse
What is your opinion on using the void touched leather gloves epic as ret palla? Savix has put it as bis.
The main downside is that you can't wear it with the epic chest which is also very good.
If you have 3pc twilight avenger's, then that plus the gloves is pretty even with epic chest + 2pc + algae. It ends up being 13str vs 9 agi and a hit
There'll be some breakpoint of dps where 9 agi and a hit is more dps than 13 strength (since str is flat dps increase and agi/hit is %-based) but I dunno where that is, I'd be very happy with either and probably just base it on do you want to have BS or LW as your profession?
@@_Foobar thank you for your input
epic gloves are bis, if u have 3 set
It ends up being extremely close, yeah. Only with 3-set though
Sergeant's cloak from the new rank 3 honor system? Where is it? ty
Officer Areyn in Stormwind
www.wowhead.com/classic/npc=12805/officer-areyn#sells;0+3-2
shaman tank next pls :D
coming soon :)
What about thorbia's gauntlets?
They are OK if you have nothing better, but even a glimmering Mail Gauntlets (the green boe) is better.
how do i get the purified Kor gem for paladin Verigan's fist weapon without entering bfd
You can kill the naga outside the instance for it.
Talk to thunders first in auberdine
The Sparkmetal hhhhhhwhat now?
Coif.
Are the leather void gloves not viable?
Can't wear them with the chest, which is much better (void touched epics are unique equipped)
Same music as Vrograg's videos?
I don't know who that is, but it's by kevin macleod, he does royalty-free music so you'll probably hear his music all over youtube :D
@@_Foobar Thank you. He mentioned this music clip once on his livestream and I have been dying to know who made it. Cheers.
bist lol
Did I make a typo somewhere lol? Or generate mouth-sounds incorrectly perhaps?