How to MACRO in LOW ELO - League of Legends
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Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
1:16 - The Knowledge Check
2:32 - The Side Lane Push
3:36 - Knowledge Check 1
6:51 - Knowledge Check 2
9:25 - Recap
10:14 - Knowledge Check 3
13:55 - Multiple Checks
14:55 - How to Counter
16:31 - When You're Weak
20:15 - When Your Teammates Follow
22:34 - Mistake 1
23:22 - Mistake 2
24:44 - Bonus Tip
25:40 - Outro
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So afk farm and split push until you can 1v9
No lies detected
this kinda worked for me when i was silver till gold but in plat it did not work
@@Bjbjbj1999 of course not, its a meme and it all depends on the game, but until Gold plat this is almost 100% true. If you dont rotate when u should then u should obviously lose still
Yes
And hope that you can 1v9 *
Lee asking the real questions though 2:05
I remember i heard something about that when lee gets blinded he actually stops being blind, but since he is used to the darkness, the vision pretty much just flashbangs him, so he can't use his other senses i guess.
😂
Came to comment the same hahah
I thought it was just calling him a blind teammate, I completely forgot he was blind lol
24:56 they sent YUMMI to defend
I see some comments saying this specific idea only works until gold, plat, etc. That might be true if you only look at the surface. Mindlessly split pushing will stop working pretty quickly.
I think there's a LOT more here than that, though. It's not even hidden info, you just have to take this idea and be creative. Come up withy our own knowledge checks. I'm a support main, and I can knowledge check the enemies constantly in ways that aren't split pushing.
One example is the 20 minute baron. Given the right team comp and not being behind, you can setup baron vision / waves at 18-19 minutes, then kill it if the enemies don't know to contest vision or aren't around top jungle. They often are, but when they aren't, they'll literally let you take a baron you have no right taking. Same with dragon at earlier timers.
Another more creative one is invading enemy jungle if you don't need to recall and the enemy duo just based. If you're against a lower threat jungler you know can't kill you and you're ranged (Karma is great at this), you can do that standard river ward, then do a very shallow invade and chunk the enemy jungler if he's on gromp / krugs. If the enemy jungler doesn't realize how vulnerable he is with his support in base, you just win a ton of HP and time off of him.
There are soooooo many things to knowledge check that I 'm sure I'm not aware of. Don't take this at face value. Come up with your own repertoire of checks you know about, but lots of people at your ELO don't :) And once you climb enough for them to stop working as often, get creative again.
Wow i would have lost that knowledge check. I'm pretty new. It feels so obvious in hindsight lol.
@@JinnyWin5there's tons of knowledge checks like this. same goes for tp advantage. if an objective is up and you see an enemy player pushing sides with no tp you can force the objective and most likely win the fight and objective.
People say the real swamp is low elo which feels luck based and further on is smooth sailing but complain when they find a strat that works to get you out of there but stops being as effective higher up 🤷♂️
base on luck time of day and how many normal ppl u have in ur team u can get diamond lots of boosted noobs and bought acc.
What this video has taught me is that we definitely need first-person league of legends.
I belive it already exsist, game is called smite.
@@mattheawfrederick5696 that’d be third person. It views from over the shoulder behind them. First person is directly from their perspective.
Remember WARD JNG before pushing a lane
I randomely started doing this cause nothing else worked and my team mates oftenly spampinged or flamed me at first. But i won alot of games like this. Ty for the video and clerification 👍🏻
there are 2 types of players thouse who want kills and to fight and thouse who take down towers and win the game they flame u cuz ur doing the right thing and there pist ur not dying with them all they want is kills dont fall in to that trap /deafen
Lux runs tops side and does whole lot of nothing. Relatable
She was getting her steps in
@@dragonmage372 yea for the void boots!!
09:41 "told you, ez win" xD
Thank you for sharing this content for free!
11:15 - 11:35 Sooo relatable.. EVERYTIME!!
this upload couldnt have hit at a better time, just q'd up
Technically, since you queued up at that time it would've been better in your case if the upload was a few minutes sooner, given the video length
I love the idea of knowledge checking! As a garen 1trick I win almost no lanes, but I was telling a coach a while ago I "idiot check" every single opponent wave 1 by trying to get the lvl 2 push / posturing like I want to trade. A lot of times champions that crush me like Trynd or Darius let me zone them off xp level 1 lol
in my case as an ADC i see a lot of mids/tops taking TP but use it for their own lane and what they do prio to that?the group mid doing ARAM Mode with 2 TP's up while sidelanes are ignored
Were you in my game today 😂
most helpful video in a while
Anivia is one of my favorite split push champs for control mages, I've found her to be incredibly efficient at clearing the waves before they even hit yours, making huge waves at towers.
Knowledge check 3 is always rough like your team will see you have no way to win a 1v3 but you’re tanky and then they all come to help against a laner 2 lvls ahead of them
I laughed so hard at the darius running away with the "nu uh" above their head, so many of us can relate XD
Actually a very helpful video
gonna try this with alistar support
this is the best skill capped video i've ever seen and I've been watching these for valorant too
Basically a diss track vs. that Mordekasier.
So more or less forsen build xd
Great vid !
Does someone know a website that shows which items counter or are good against certain champions?
so I usually get flamed as a mid player for not always going to a team fight that we are out numbered. I usually prioritize farm/towers until objs are up and the jg is actually doing their job.
some of the advices, especially logic behind your advices is hilarious, how come u sell guides for commercially?
I have been getting a ton of people solo pushing non-stop in my League ranked games lately. They have probably watched this video. Needless to say, this approach ends up with a DEFEAT for my team in about 90% of cases
Some questions that came up for me after watching this,
a: werent there 2 threats in the Kaisa Game: Akshan and Morde?
b: what would you build when you have to be prepared for either akshan or Morde?
Else it seems like a good video, sad no top laner where shown xDD but I mean for that there are spilltpush video for them.
Thank you for this guide, but my question is: when to look for team plays then ? When should I group and teamfight ?
when your team is already covering sidelanes and properly knowledge checking the opponent
You are basically ‘split pushing’ objectives, enemy jungle, and/or mid towers with your group by then
The same principles apply to teamfighting as split pushing.
Are they sending people to match you? If not, you win
Are they sending numerous/strong enough people able to match your 2-4 man group in teamfights? If not, you win
Are they sending too many / too strong people to teamfight vs your group? If YES, you stall and win
Of course there’s more things you can do in between to make yourself win even harder, but for low elo it’s great to focus mostly on these principles.
In pro, we often see more teamfighting because they have full control over their teammates’ actions and can always meet the knowledge checks.
Even then we still see them collect the cs or push and pressure sidelanes, just with a lot more tricks and conflicts with the enemy team to watch out for
The guide explained stuff kinda badly. Basically always group for Baron, important drakes and when all side lanes are pushed out. You NEVER want to sidelane as an adc, because usually you lose every 1v1 (mostly bc you as a silver/gold/bronze/plat/iron player suck on adc) and beyond the early midgame, bc you as the adc are just too important for teamfights. If you split mid-late game, your team will get wiped and the enemy will just end.
Best to push out two waves (one at your turret and the one after that) and then group, except when you are a split pushing champ or the enemy turret is low and you see everyone on the map.
@@baum6664 Congratulations, your explanation goes completely against the essence of what the video is trying to convey.
japanese import is having really good guides, props!
17:46 "A lot of threats are missing." (Mordekaiser)
Bro you can see Mordekaiser mid xD xD
The most likely scenario when playing side lane in silver is many opponents coming for you and then your whole team joining you, arriving after you died, and losing the fight without taking anything on the map.
All of Neace's coaching videos combined, summed up in 25 minutes, and then some, alongside narrations read from Sun Tzu, and with infinitely less (see: no) screaming. Mention your D4 friends for 17:20 and 22:30 marks... :D
This video is insanely valuable.
Does this video also apply for emerald/diamond or just the lower ranks?
It says low elo what do you think?
@@beartrap6367 it says lower ranks but visually shows emerald, thats why im confused, but thanks for the explenation
Sure, sometimes, but nowhere near as frequently. Even in plat you'll start getting a lot more games where people respond properly to this kind of tactic. But the idea is that even in diamond, it's still useful to check if the enemies know what they're doing. And even if everyone does respond properly, you still want to play this way in general because splitting your team up like this helps everyone get their share of gold and exp. Only difference in high elo is that you can expect a lot less people to randomly die from it, on both teams.
Mostly not.
I actually noticed that these split pushing laner are very often the reason I am losing. Im Support main and I am contemplaining playing something like lux mit tp.
The darius nuh uh got me dieing 💀💀💀
It worked for me but after 3 matches the matchmaking go crazy and you find only smurfs that knows what are you doing and is gg
Know issue of your lp and invisible mmr being out of sync, if this starts to happen what you need to do, and this is gonna sound stupid, is dodge 5 games in a row, no joke and it'll be normal games again. sure your gonna lose 25 lp but your sanity will be saved.
Man I had the start of this split, played brand jungle. Steamrolled through than came in some kind of an smurf queue and I didnt know what happend lmao…
What should I do as a jg main when they have a top laner who can 1v9 bc my top went 0/6 in lane and they keep pressuring us in the side lane? Do I try matching pressure in the opposite lane? Or go for the 3v1 to kill them? One of the knowledge checks is sending more than one person to defend but if we don't send 2 or 3 to defend the fed top laner they just end the game
Like in the video when you're weak u just dont fight and catch the wave, pushing it back out. If that top ends up coming back to push/overextend you can either attempt to take a fight with your new found gold. Or as a jg rotate to mid/and obj while their strongest player is catching the wave you just pushed out. The real strategy here is stall out waves to catch back up in the game when behind, at the end of the day if the enemy makes the right choice and you're behind you simply just lose.
so he can 1v9 and you ask if you should 1v3 him? doesnt that already answer your question? why fight him when you cant? collect gold to get as strong as him. if your champ has wave clear maybe just clear his wave as soon as you can without interacting with him. without wave he cant take tower.
@@sgxbot fair enough my statement wasn’t consistent and I agree clearing waves is a great defense but a fed top laner has no problem diving towers without minions
I am also curious about this. I have been in several games where a champion (usually a top laner; e.g, Trundle/Tryndamere) will consistently push a side lane at all times. The champion is able to kill anyone on my team (including me). From here there are usually two scenarios:
1. I try to hold the lane by killing the minions, but will be dove at the turret; the only way to stop them from ending the game solo is by losing pressure elsewhere because we need like three people to kill the attacker.
2. I am the lone person able to defend against the attacker, but as they're consistently pushing, I am essentially locked down as a permanent defender unless someone on my team helps me out. Assuming my team is losing the 4v4, it usually comes to a point where I have to defend against this sole attacker in the side lane as well as the other 4 enemies in the mid lane.
I am currently in emerald and climbing as a top laner by usually avoiding this scenario early by winning lane. In the case of (1) happening, I usually lose the game. In the case of (2) happening, it usually depends on my team winning or losing (essentially a 50/50) or the enemy top laner giving up the pressure, allowing me to have an impact in the game.
I would like to think I understood the video, but I can't seem to think of a way out in these scenarios. Do I just hope the enemy makes a mistake?
the first 20 seconds of this video goes SO HARD
What’s the timing for this tho? As soon as you have the opportunity? Waiting for your team to start staging for a fight? Waiting to see multiple enemies far away on the map?
We saw Akshan overextended and collapse him with 2 people - and we failed our own knowledge check by sending multiple people to defend
Damn, not the camille having an all u can eat Toplane Mukbang... 💀
that dose really work on 70% of my games
Kaisa cait are absolutely not weak duellists at this elo... Especially not cait. I often get free turrets this way, but with mf, unless I have a full item lead, I can’t never burst out anyone that’s not especially squishy. Does that mean that low elo adc that are more macro-oriented should focus on 1v1 champs?
That said, thanks for the knowledge, great video!
so what ur saying is i should use bausens law to perma push lanes and get heartsteel to scale a lot and when they send a defender i can just waste time whlie getting a tower?
shit i need more cofee
I have a question: I usually see that waves can auto slow push if set in a specific state. What is the rule of thumb to execute it? So I can slow push automatically in side and group?
Kill ranged minions
@@Rikent is it worth to leave more than half wave there then?
im low silver and i've been trying to learn macro from bauss with his ap jax build, taking care of side lanes always gives me so much gold, but every time i dont group up for some meaningless team fight against the way stronger enemy team i always get pinged and resisting that peer pressure to join them and die for nothing while our side lanes are being pushed by minions was the hardest part
Just be confident that you're smarter than your team. Don't listen to hardstuck silvers.
And be sure to give them the old thumbs up emote
@@dan5122 yea... but stupidity is contagious
Is this strategy best with a good split pusher champs like tryndamere, trundle etc? I main Poppy, and I am not sure if she is suited for this.
you can always win against an empty lane. some champs do it slower some faster. it really doesnt matter
Its always cool when you bring 3 of them across the map and your 4 teammates still lose a 4v2 at dragon pit.
My team mates always, without failure, fail every. single. knowledge checks. I'm not even exagerrating.
then you are at a low enough elo where 1v5'ing enemy teams and carrying yourself is extremely doable
you are the only constant in your games king, everyone else is variable
It implies splitpushing, if enemies don't send anyone is always right choice without considering, that enemy team might use numbers advantage to win a teamfight and push faster, so you end up in a losing base race.
That's when you type gg bot diff and vote yes
Where discount link?
Question wouldnt you have failed the knowledge check because camille is closer to your tower then you are to theirs and you have a better chance defending against camille then your team? Or did you just avoid fighting camille since she's stronger? And if she is stronger than you and your team couldnt she just straight up end the game?
The Lucian pov almost made me convulse 😭💀
Should I wait to 1v1 the weak defender if enemies are still in fog of war, seems sketchy to apply pressure when enemies are missing.
See my issue with this is that I am a jungle main and usually it's the top laner doing this kind of split pushing. We're basically always forced into a 4v5. Even if someone were to match the top laners split push that's still our (most of the time) bruiser/tank out of a potential winnable teamfight. This is why I hate champs that build Hullbreaker or literally thrive off of split pushing like Yorick for example. They are never there for objectives or team fights.
yea but its literally impossible to lose for you if that were the case. their entire base would just dissapear
What a toplaner should do is split push while team is pressuring map, if enemy team sends someone that toplaner should rotate to teamfight with tp for numbers advantage or 1v1 enemy laner if they arent strong enough to defend...
most times the teamfights are useless, unless your defending or going for objectives why aram mid lol and if your 4v5 long enough most times a good split puser like gwen can easily take 2 turrets or even an inhib
Then ignore your stupid team and play around your fed top layer, it's ez
17:47 mordekaiser is for sure missing and not mid, or maybe its NEEKO! or maybe its john cena
as a mid laner i always ping my bot lane to swap lane whenever when the time is right. But ye they love to ignore. Its the fastest way to lose games for me bc my adc cant do shit whole game, not undersatnding that they are safer in midlane
Just unlocked ranked in LoL and this guy just gave me permission to int in the name of limit testing. 😂😂 My iron lobbies are done form
you should do limit testing in normals for the most part -- that's what they're there for, doing things that might lose the game (trying new champs, limit testing, weird builds etc) since nothing is on the line for your team
2 problems. 1, if they send multiple defenders in low elo odds are your team will wipe even with numbers. 2, a lot of my games start with my team feeding 20 kills by the 15 minute mark and can't hold a tower...if I stay splitting, I'm trading 2 towers for 4 and an inhib because my teams are almost always wotlrthless. In games like this, you can't afford to die once in the mid game or it's over.
Assuming you're the person with the most gold in your team, how can you alone stop this? If your team is inting and you're ahead 1 guy on the enemy team what's the point of fighting? If you splitpush you get gold and open up enemy's map. If you stay and fight u might get a kill or you might get wiped along with ur team. What's the point?
@Smoky701 exactly, even if you have the most gold, you can't push faster than 5 and normally the enemy team is 8k gold up by the mid game so you can't team fight. I thought the 1v9 wouldn't be as bad in Plat but it's just as bad as bronze. If my teammates can at least go close to even I win almost every game.
Marco in low elo is doing baron when all enemy team is alive
Youd be suprised how often it works by just rushing it as soon as it spawns, same with dragon.
I was doing all of this without knowing
My issueis that by the time i get to their second teir turret, they are already seiging my base after tower divung my entire twam woth no consequence because my team has been running it down the whole time.
So I bought a low elo account (I know, naughty), to play with my son. I've used these techniques, in Iron & Bronze w/him, but what I find most often is my own teammates fail the knowledge check as well. Go to push lanes and 2-3 teammates will follow where ever I go. Or, I push no one responds, but my team is grouped up in the jungle taking Gromp together, for no reason. I would love to see you try this tactic again, below Silver, and compare the results.
He covered these exact scenarios in the video.
What about when you’re split pushing but your whole team dies right in our mid tower and the 4 of them push right through inhib? How is that a win
Learned new fancy words today! KNOWLEDGE CHECK! im gonna say this and flame my silver teammates :)
First video where I am not low elo anymore, aye
If I push a side lane my entire team dies and enemy pushes mid all the way to inhibitor or the nexus. It is bold to assume teammates will keep fed enemy team busy for long.
17:40
Mordekaiser is literally on the map. U ok?
If my teamates start doing this and i do it as well, midlane ia going to be perma empty on low elo
exactly! They are playing ADC and if top (Garen) in the video wants the side lane then they are playing correctly and you need to respect that. This 1v9 I need to carry mentality is so cringe when your teammates are playing properly.
and what if you are the lowest lever from both teams?
queria que tivesse esse conteudo em PT BR
when are u guys gonna add support course for season 14 all lanes have it alr only support doesn't
Just peel for the carry in your team and ping/ward objectives
@@FactsDawg ty bro I was iron 4 and just got up to challenjour with this forbidden tipp
@@allat0nce glad i could help need more tips, let me know
17:48 mordekaiser isnt missing
All the game you were fed and can 1v1 anyone in a sidelane, if you try to do this and you only went even or lost lane, you will die if anyone comes
But what to do as a support? Cuz supports just can't push side lanes. How do I help my teammates use this concept?
I side push lanes all the time as zyra
i just wish you do something like this to midlane macro in diamond elo pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
I got to gold as a top laner by literally just pushing sidelanes if my TP was up. If it wasn't, I just shadowed my team since if i was in a side lane without TP. They would immediately take a 4v5 and lose 80% of the time.
Ideally I would draw someone from their team to match me so I could then teleport in pre fight and force a 5v4.
I didnt change anything else about my laning, just following those rules. If my opponent took anything But TP it was usually a free win since for some reason at lower elos your original lane opponent shows up to match you, and you can teleport away to win a team fight while they sadly split push with nothing to ignite. I think this guide under estimates the worst case scenario. The enemy team can then immediately turn to barron and break the game open.
basically bausen law
17:46 mordekaiser is missing.
meanwhile mordekaiser on mid:
"Stalling the game" isn't great on a lot of champions. This only is fool proof on a hyper scaler. If your an earlier/mid game champion, and the other team has scalers, stalling is giving them the game. Would like to see content related to this.
Push a side lane a Rengar or a Nocturne (Or some assassin) will just ult you and oneshots you gg wp :)
if my fed adc is in a side lane and we get wiped i am flaming
How effective are these splitpushing in low emerald? I'm a mid control mage player.
Not your job then, at least not as much as if you where a AD or attack speed mid.
It's good tactic too. Master+ is where your macro and mechanic need to evolve to win
Both Kaisa and Caitlyn got a massive buff in 14.10 lol. Still legit tho
Something so obvious but often fumbled with poor wave and vision control
top 3 things adcs hate to hear/say
teemo support can defenetly 1v1 me
How to do this playing supports like Janna? Should I just play a different champion to rank up?
no, your role as support is just different
split-push is for adc or anyone with good and fast wave clear
as a support you just provide vision for your split pusher in jungle and help your team
(yes i know nobody will split push but you and they will just go mid and die but you def don’t need to abandon your fav role and champ to have a split push possibility)
i main janna too and it always feels like im fully relying on my teammates' macro awareness no matter how much vision and utility i provide :(
You can use this as Janna. You can ping caution if you've lost the push edge for the level 2 check. On my way pings on the enemy champions if you're likely going to hit 2 first.
You can also direct your most fed laner to the best lane assignment. This is especially good if they're an innate split pusher. So, if your Yorick top takes two towers top early you tell him to go bot assuming those towers are up and direct your ADC to another lane. You can also setup vision for them in the quadrant they'll often be over extending in. You can also say "save TP for good backdoor opportunity"; they'll often get a lot more value out of their TP.
@@johnh1489 thank you man, that's very solid; i'll try being more active with my pings!
@@johnh1489 I was talking about the pushing strat. But this is useful too. Thx.
So this is the reason my adc split pushes alone every game
this only applies if your team isnt diff and canyons regardless. try carrying splitting a lane and then your team getting wipe in team fights.
BIG MISTAKE people make doing this is pushing up ~30 seconds before drag/baron spawns. Giving enemies JUST enough time to kill them 1v3, then walk to drag/baron as it spawns. Win the objective 4v5. Then reset in time to catch the same idiot pushing again.
what about tanks?
JG Tip: Just don't trust your teammates and NEVER EVER assist a losing lane, help the fed ones instead and led the gold trickle on you
So the tactic that doesn’t rely on your teammates actually completely relies on your teammates 90% of the time
how does you going solo depend on any of your teammates? if they do something you win if they dont you win.
@@sgxbot No, if they don’t, we gain nothing while the enemy triples me then runs it down mid
@@kc9928 well if your teammates do nothing and you do nothing obviously you dont gain anything. Thats why you are there. But maybe at some point you learn that.
man imma be fr I don't remember the last time my teammates didn't listen to my calls, be a confident and strong leader and they will listen. even if you aren't confident, bullshit your way through and eventually you'll realize it was never bullshit at all.
oh you don’t remember so it means it doesn’t happen to someone else? smart 😎
Scenario #4 your team gets mad after two split pushes and FF’s whether you want to or not.
This 💀
Next video idea....how to do this as support! :D
Just play someone like zyra who can clear
Hey I just tried this strat, I couldn't 1v1 anyone and died 13 times. We lost.