They Got Drafted...Then Killed Their Own Teams
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“James wiseman is the softest center”
Deandre Ayton: “hold my bee…soda”
doesn't matter, I'm a max player
Still would take Ayton over Wiseman any day.
"Thats DominAyton"
>50 on his head (Giannis)
Don’t get me wrong Ayton is one of the biggest disappointments but at least when seen him try he’s a good player he suffers from the lack of motivation just like Jordan Poole
Ayton shows some signs atleast like he isn't really a hard player but he's not the most soft soft
There are some people comparing Killian Hayes' career trajectory to Ricky Rubio but I think that's insulting to Rubio IMO the guy has multiple seasons scoring at least 10 ppg and also having multiple seasons having 8apg he's also a starting caliber PG in the NBA most of his career
Rubio is way better than Hayes at PG...He is a pure floor general. Killian is lost in his roles but maybe not entirely his fault being on a really bad team.
I mean statistically speaking he’s not that far off from Ricky Rubio. He needs to get his points up but Rubio wasn’t the most efficient player either. He shot 38% for his career. Those aren’t unattainable numbers for a guy like Hayes.
@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy yes but one problem though he's on his way out of the league soon unfortunately
Rubio should've been so much better than he actually was. He was suppose to be Jason Kidd 2.0 but didn't really live up to that.
@@deleqtronica8733 injuries really suck
Its hard to say Davion "killed" his team - Or is even the worst person on the kings. He's still an amazing defender, and was really great in the playoffs, hitting a dagger in game 2, and in that game holding Curry to shooting splits that would make Killian Hayes blush. The issue is that the Kings are a guard heavy team, and that his best upside being defense is kinda negated by the fact that Keegan Murray is also becoming a high level defender, who can handle the ball just as well and is way better as a shooter. Davion's numbers, along with his minutes, have been steadily going up.
I hate that he was drafted there he had no chance.
Agreed. Also I disagree when Andy said Davion was drafted for his shooting when he was moreover drafted as a defensive small guard like Holiday. Especially since he was drafted right after the Bucks won a title in part because of Holiday’s defensive play
@@LessGo7921yeah i’m pretty sure he even won defensive player of the year in college and his nickname is offnight his specialty is definitely defense
Patrick Williams is another example of Bulls doing a poor job of developing young talent. Markkanen, and Kris Dunn never improved while they were here, and it took five seasons for Coby White to become a solid starting player. Pat Williams and Ayo Dosunmu’s development mirrors that of Markkanen. Dalen Terry hardly played his rookie season and is now averaging about 10 mins a game his sophomore year. Zach Lavine is the only success story the Bulls have but I would argue that he came pretty developed already he just needed a team where he would have more touches of the ball. Something tells me the reason AK doesn’t blow it up and rebuild is because he either doesn’t have confidence in his ability to draft or (the more likely reason) he doesn’t have faith in developing young players
As a Bulls fan, I think the Bulls need to completely overhaul their player development department. You’re right about how bad their player development is.
send him to the jazz and he'll be the second coming of kawhi leonard
Very astute observation. I am no bulls fan (mavs fan here) but I do have a soft spot for the bulls. Their ownership and Front Office is so fucking asinine and has their heads so far stuck up their own asses they might as well be an Auntie Anne's (pretzels).
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👌🏾
You call Zach Lavine a success story? 😂
Man Golden State drafting killed their dynasty after having a golden generation of drafting the core of said dynasty!! Crazy!!
You act like Poole, Moody and kuminga are trash. Draymond single handedly killed the dynasty. KD and Poole left because of him. Now his shananigans buries the warriors. It's a great run tho!
I agree, Dray should have been traded after the punch
@@ND-OPSnah it’s the staff in golden state killing it by not getting rid of him.
@@ND-OPS I'm with you on that. One bad drift pick (Wiseman) isn't going to do anywhere near the damage that a guy who ran off a 6 man of the year candidate and an all time great.
I feel like the problem is that they thought they had more time than they really had
Damn bro hates killian hayes 🤣 I get it tho.
He is ass tho so I’m not mad 😂😂😂😂
😂😂 ruthless
Them stats is sad tho 😂
Killan SUPER SOFT
Man I thought he was being rough on Killian but damn bro is a 30% shooter from the field 😩😩😩😩
Why Davion is in this list? He is a defender, back up PG. He is not hurting his team when he is doing his role.
The guy doesn’t even no how to pronounce his name right lol. If he watched one kings game he would no the pronunciation
Hes solid when the teams healthy and off the bench but not a reliable option when fox is out. Why you think they took him out the starting lineup recently.
@@ishmanahan6472 "They got drafted and killed their own team" Hating on a bench player when asked to play starter minutes has no sense at all😂 He is drafted to be a backup PG then critique him based on that role. It is like CP3 is a good PG but he sucks when he plays at Center😂😂💀
Andy had no reason goin for Wiseman’s life like that lmfaooo
Idk wiseman was pretty decent on gsw before the injury
@@Widlrrno he wasn’t 😂
😂 this man has a family
As he should. What a bust for no. 2 pick. All the hype was from his time in high school and a few games in college
@@Widlrr😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I can't agree with what you saying about pat you can't expect a player to develop when you have 2 ball hogs Lavine and DeRozan and when Lavine was out he scored consistent 20 point a game
Thank you
All motivation that Poole had went out his body with that Draymond punch
And the common sense too 💀
Nah, dray saw through everything. Poole is just a cocky punk who thinks he's the franchise player. Did you not see his attitude in wizards? How's his play now? Shaqtin MVP candidate for 30mil per season
@@lucky889s9He would’ve been fine if he was still in GS without Draymond….hows Draymond and the Warriors doing right now? Lol Draymond didn’t see through anything. He’s just an out of control idiot. We saw that when he got suspended.
@lucky889s9 and draymond Is a selfish arrogant player who's currently at risk of costing his team a playoff appearance... the warriors would sure love to have Poole currently than draymond
i dont think Davion is hurting the kings he is only getting a handful of minutes and a lot of DNP's. he was great his rookie year but his shoot has gotten worst over time.
You can tell Andy dont actually watch the Bulls lol. Pat's role isnt to score because they have other guys who specialize in it. When Pat was called to do it he can do it just fine.
Agreed. he's a 3 and D small forward playing out of position as the 4 and is the 5th option on offense. Andy only looks at his offensive numbers and then glosses quickly over his excellent three shooting to focus on rebounds and ppg. It's a big reach.
Exactly, turned off the video once I saw him
I’m absolutely in the dark on what led to Killian being drafted so high, he shot like 30% from three overseas but they where talking about him like he was Harden
Williams is the type of player many teams want next to their stars. He's not the star that a top 4 pick should be, but he's the epitome of three-and-D. His three point percentage is elite, and he's a good defender. He has some similarity to Finney-Smith, though he's a better shooter and hasn't developed as well on defense. He's young enough that he could still get much better, but even as is, many teams would love to add him in the mix.
Who's here after Killian got waived 😂
I feel bad for him. Imagine what that does to a 21 year olds mental health
@@forthdimension686oh yeah being millionaire at 21 is so terrible dude still have all time in the world to make a comeback and meanwhile going to play in a summer league trust me it could be worse
Lets be honest. When piston played my celtics live. I usually search up opponent good players for their jersey no. Or name to see their stats when they are playing well against us.
But i had to search for 2 names. Cade and jersey no.7
I must know who tf the no.7 since hes playing so bad against my team that i know why the piston is on such a long losing streak
@@forthdimension686 bro shut up, he literally did it to himself with his refusal to work on his game and stop forcing up bricks
Davion has found his way back into the rotation as of recently and has played extremely well. He does what we drafted him to do defensively. His shot will come with more min and i love him but know he can excel as a starter
another "we" person lol
@@wobbafett2464who cares?
Killing his own team Hayes
Excellent video as always! I love the more in depth nature of this longer type of video. Your efforts are appreciated!
Man I've said this for a while. If Golden State had drafted Melo then their number twelve pick the next year is probably off the table. But their seventh pick the following year stays where it is because it was The Wolves pick from the DLo trade. Just imagine that team today with Melo and Franz Wagner who they could have taken over Kuminga 🤯
For real, drafting Wiseman instead of Ball killed Warriors dynasty and future. They could have just traded Melo for a good big after drafting him too just unlucky that Wiseman didn’t pan out to be a good player.
Kuminga is finally unlocked and we would still select him over Franz
Kuminga can still be better than franz
@@islimeyewout6316 I don't think so. Also Franz would be a much better fit in Golden State.
@@SonnyK248 Kuminga has been averaging double digits since December,2,2024 so he is finally here and he will soon be our franchise player
It’s so crazy seeing Reddish struggle offensively when in HS and in College he was viewed as a smooth versatile scorer and even compared to Paul George coming out
Must have had a hell of a mixtape that fooled a lot of people.
I love these longer videos they’re so awesome. Gives me more analysis to put into my head
I’m enjoying the longer videos. It especially great when I’m at work and don’t have to worry about picking back up my phone after 5 minutes haha
Patrick Williams is a solid player. You aren't going to score much if you're going to be the fifth scoring option.
Is he playing 4th overall worthy? Not really, but there have been worse. Should the Bulls move on from Vucevic, DeRozan, Lavine and tank once they have full control of their picks again, I think Patrick Williams could be the next Luol Deng for the team.
Jordan Poole dropped 18.5 ppg while being the 5th best player on GS
Gary Trent JR dropped 18.3 ppg while being 5th best player in 2021 Raptors
Cap
what u smokin i want some
18:02 awesome video!
As a bulls fan, he just isn't developing well, the build developing team sucks ass and P Will isn't looking very good
I’m surprised Dwight Powell from the Dallas Mavericks didn’t make this list. I mean come on the man broke Kyrie’s leg and has been a most mid big man in the entire NBA
I know bro got drafted in like 2014 but still. He’s over stayed his welcome from far too long.
Kleber and Dwight Powell both bozo big men 😂😂😂
Playing in the nba 10 seasons is decent.
Hayes and Kai jones is funny how much they were busts
Same with ntlikina, Knox, bagley, Giles, and wiseman.
I love the longer videos. Keep up the great work.
It’s kinda crazy. 10 years ago teams like the Knicks, jazz, sixers and magic were the bums alongside the pistons. A lot has changed with the others but the pistons remain ass
Jazz still sucks
And so do the 76ers
@@MrBubblecake you’re right the jazz have kinda reverted back to sucking but they did have a good stretch for a while in between. Sixers used to go 10-72 and shit but yeah still bums
Always love your vid always insightful
You could almost put Jalen Green on the list...almost 😅👀
He’s a good player, but he doesn’t play to win, just plays for ‘his’.
Great video I liked all the metrics you shared to make the case of how bad these players are playing.
We fw the new content Andy
Keep it up and go knicks
Davion Mitchell did not kill the kings , regardless of his weaknesses , he still has valuable strengths like his defensive abilities which is what the kings needs the most , so far he is still improving his skills nonetheless.
We appreciate the longer videos💯
If you tracked Cam's progression at Duke then his NBA turnout isn't surprising. He started the season hot but quickly became a non-factor. I think a lot of people thought he was overlooked because he was a 3rd option on a team with a trigger happy RJ Barrett and obviously, Zion was a dog that season but even as a 3rd option, Cam was shooting under 40% from the field and 33% from 3 I believe. I think he needed another year or two before he came out tbh but I get that he wanted the money and felt like he was ready
it's bc of this 3 ball happy league players don't have value anymore to teams if they can't shoot which it shouldn't be you need good role players that do the grunt work but that getting lost in this Era
@@jcrespo200 cap, there are still great role players around. Just because he ain't good enough to be a "good role player" doesn't mean that "this era ruined him" or whatever
@@jcrespo200 40% from 3 shooting 6 or more is not a big ask for a pro player, teams are shooting 40 threes a game or more.
2 transition buckets 2 put-back dunks and 2 threes made is 14ppg.
Add 3/4 on free throws and that's 17ppg.
Great video. Like this new long video format.
You clearly don’t watch the Kings
Mitchell sucks 😂😂😂
I swear I just saw a girl coming from Germany ONLY to see Killian Hayes and then this video shows up XDXDXD Talk about life
I like the longer videos, Ill always watch al the way through
Golden State warriors even drafting killed their dynasty after having a much incredible generation of drafting their own core , how crazy is that truly
Definitely liked the doughty longer form video. I agree it allowed you explain a lot more than usual.
Longer videos from you are a pleasure. 😊
Thought he was about to talk about some NBA Serial Krillers. But every bust pick would drop 40 in an open gym😂
😂😂
Everyone knows this it doesn't change the fact they're making their teams worse. A CBA benchwarmer could drop 40 in an open gym.
If you're playing basketball professionally at any capacity and can't drop 40 on some hobbyists playing every other weekend tf are you even doing?
@@OK-yy6qzexactly that argument has always been dumb you literally get paid to play ball have access to training equipment and facilities the average Joe doesn't you better be able to ball against a bunch of geezers and average Joe's
@@johndavis9321 for real i don't get this type of flex. Are we supposed to be impressed that he can outplay teenagers and middle aged white collar workers?
@@OK-yy6qz exactly
Loving longer vids, let's go!
Should have included DeAndre Ayton 😂
He’s had several solid seasons yes he may be a disappointment but not a total bust.
But he gets hate for his lack of effort!
what about this player?
“oh this is when he was drafted. but he sucked. maybe he could become a 3 and D player or go to china. its funny because I don’t watch foreign basketball. he’s bad. very bad.”
great video dude
That's a harsh reality to hear if you're that player mentioned in this video.
Bro if I was called bad and useless I'd be done 😭
The biggest issue in Killian is that he is chucking up shots and always make bad decisions. He will be 23 this upcoming offseason. He is chucking up shots after shots and then has tunnel vision and struggles to finish the rim or make passes to his own teammates. his defense is also a liability as he is just an average defender due the lack of lateral quickness which will hurt the team even more. Now anytime if any teams is being guarded by him they can just dribble through his glaring weakness which is mentioned on his defense.
He has a lot of issues the reason why he chuck up shot is because hes a weak shot creator. His handle is very weak and hes not athletic slasher so he struggles to score in isolations. So hence why hes basically chuck up shots. And is jumpshot needs work
Only biggest strength for hayes is his playmaking and defense if he works more on that he’ll be still be in the league
@@primetimemiles15 Yeah
i think davion just needs a change of scenery. he'll be a solid backup PG
Love the long videos
Pwill is solid. He can shoot and defend. That archetype is valuable
I told people for years when he was drafted Hayes wasn't going to make it.
Even though you’re not posting on Wednesday’s anymore, We love the long videos Andy 🫡🐐
darius garland was basically the worst player in the league a couple of years ago but now he's ballin, so we shouldnt worry abou Scoot yet
You lost me at Patrick Williams. He has off games but he’s nowhere near killing our team
He's still a bust, tho.
@@leoprince691 for being a 4th overall pick that’s fair to say
Giving minutes at PF and he doesn't do anything
A couple of these guys are defensive specialists who are bad only on one side of the ball. Hayes, for example, is actually a good and versatile defender, which is a big reason why he gets minutes. He also is a decent table-setter and play caller. As was mentioned, he can run the pick-and-roll. As bad as his offense has been, he has improved every year, which is another sign that he could carve out a role in the league. His rookie contract is almost done, so what's left of this season really will affect his future in the NBA, or lack thereof.
I got back here after Killian got waived.
remember when overtime did a small documentary series on Killian hayes thinking he was gonna be an NBA all star
When you got Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green on your team, you are anything but "under pressure". Poole is similar to Duncan Robinson - very good at one thing and when that thing disappears, they become a trade chip
No problem. I always enjoy your videos even if it's longer. Btw still waiting for you to make a video about NBA players that once dated a celebrity in any point even if it's briefly (ex. Andre Drummond and Jennette McCurdy).
Longer Andy Hoops videos oh yes
Good vid
_On Davion Mitchell:_ if you are a backup PG in your mid 20s who’s 6’1 with a 6’4 wingspan and still can’t shoot or playmake, you might as well play overseas.
davion on the defensive side is one of the best
@@wspTre agree his defensive performance last year vs Steph in the playoff was incredible, suprised that Andy didn't talk much about his defense
Typical Andy video..He always have an almost perfect take then make a mistake in 1 point or player.lol
@@justhuy7960
Spurs will take a flier on him
Killian Hayes no IMPROVEMENT HIS SHOOTING
I was honestly shocked when they gave Ayton a max. I was like "as a rookie who helped get the finals just to lose? I dont agree but ight, best of luck to em" and sure nuff
I always thought cam reddish was gonna be paul george 2.0 🤦♂️
Instead he's Wesley Johnson 2.0
@@CrazyxEnigma but its still time for reddish to improve
Haven’t watched yet but you better have included Giddey. He hurts the spacing and makes offense harder for everyone. The team is so much better when he’s not on the floor
But OKC is still winning, he put players on losing teams.
There had to be someone that was going to target Giddey
..might as well be you i guess 😏🙄
I told people Cam wasnt it since his first week at Duke. Those people are STILL holding out hope. It's embarrassing smh. Salute to Cam for succeeding at life though.
some players get hyped way too much but end up not having what it takes to be at the NBA level...
Draymond is one of the greatest defenders of our era but he will be remembered as the draymond that we know today, the guy that can't control himself from hurting other players and the Guy that killed the warriors dynasty.
I mean, he won 4 rings with them, he is killing them since 2022 ring.
No he won’t lol you just tryna sound cool😭 in 10 years ain’t nobody finna gaf
Nah as a 4 ring CHAMPION
Jordan Poole just a bitch 😂 real ones know if y’all fight, that should make you closer
Damn, having worse bpm than Shaqtin a Poole... I feel bad for Scoot.
He told lies of omission on Cam Reddish. His analysis was incomplete and lacked context.
Cam Reddish was starting to fill out his potential when was with the Hawks. He was on his way to becoming a solid starter until the poorly ran front office traded him for... Kevin Knox II...🤦♂️ Since being traded injuries and lack of confidence have halted his progress. Now that he's with the Lakers his only job is to play defense that's why his stats don't seem that significant.
Watching this riiiight after Killian got released.
9:05 dis guy Andy giggling 😂
I checked out after the Bulls drafted Williams. Never understood the pick. Being a Bulls fan is tough.
I think it's fair to add Scoot to this list. At the time of the draft, the Hornets were getting flamed for picking Brandon Miller over him. Right now, that appears to have been the right decision. Scoot had a ton of hype. I hope he figures it out.
tf you talkin bout🤣🤣 he didnt even finished his first season as a PG
I’m not gonna lie, these Ignite guys got me skeptical
@hotpot328 doesn't matter, he's gonna be a role player or decent stater at best. Nothing about him in the NBA screams star potential. Plus he comes from the G League Ignite, which hasn't produced any real stars. Maybe he'll prove everyone wrong, but I doubt it.
@@leoprince691kuminga is probably going to be the best ignite player.
@@hotpot328doesn’t change the fact that he’s been bad
This just makes the timberwolves coming out of the 2020 draft with 2 stars look that much more impressive
Adding scoot to this list just isn’t right.Darius garland was once the worst player statistically as a rookie and now he is one of the best guards in the league
Feel like Patrick Williams doesn't really belong here. Sure for the 4th overall pick he's kinda mid but all he's been asked to do is be a 3 and D player and he's been effective at both of those things.
pat??? cmon man
The reason the 2020 draft is gonna have so many ''busts'' and misses is pretty simple (it happened in 2020 and 2021 with the NFL too) it was a weird time with Covid and there being not much irl stuff
I thought Poole was going to be an inefficient 20 ppg scorer on the Wizards. He actually landed in a dream scenario to shine and blew it. A bigger role on his own team with no expectations. Same reason Kuzma is content cashing checks in Washington.
Pistons had 3 draft busts on one team. Wiseman is borderline. Hayes is out of the league and I think livers is too or he's about to be...forgot they had bagley too.
Killian is a great playmaker and solid defender his only problem is offense and even that he can hit the mid range and floater while he isn't efficient he can improve especially in a good system that can develop talent like Miami Spurs and Toronto anywhere but Detroit and I bet he develops like he suppose to. Also Killian isn't a scorer he just need to hit the open 3's and he's fine
Also he has a high PNR percentage with two of the worst big men in the league Wiseman and Bagley(ik he got traded) if he gets 25 minutes a game he gets 7/8 assist a night in Detroit who is the worst team in the league with no shooting outside of Burks and Boban I would say Harris also but he doesn't get minutes
Exactly he’s decent 2 way playmaker just needs to get trade to a good development team like the spurs. He still young its never to late.
I’m a Pistons fan and from Detroit, and agree with all of this. He hasn’t killed the team, he’s just not quite what we’d like him to be. His next season (wherever he is) will determine his career trajectory forreal
No srry he trash
The fact that yall is still defending this trash is insane
truly tho that's a harsh reality to hear if you're this player mentioned in this video honestly
killian looks my 60ovr when I start 2k
Scoot has improved. The Blazers really had no identity and team chemistry this year which makes it hard for a rookie PG. Coming in and filling Dame's shoes is no pressure, lol.
You went in on Wiseman
bro when i saw the thumbnail+name i was thinking of a pistons disaster draft video💀💀💀(if you know what i mean then you know what i mean lmao)
As a bulls what are you talking about pat Williams is doing his job play defense shoot 3s he had his best year last year he a good 3 and d and when Zach lavin got hurt he look good
Cam Reddish has a lot of impact on the court his defense is masterful and he’s getting more and more confidence, the teams he was on before never helped with his confidence, he isn’t a bust he’s getting better
only reason cam reddish looks bad in LA is cause hes being forced into a 3/d role...hes shown flashes on offense when he's gotten the requisite touches in consecutive games thats allowed him to get in rhythm but his inefficiency has held him back...davion imo is also fine as a pat bev/gabe vincent type
Iam from Germany Ulm and Hayes played there befor. He was not efficient and not dominating the legeau. He wasnt even the best player in his team. Theis played in Ulm too. He was fckn destroying everything!
the 2020 draft class was abysmal, i think this was the first draft without the NBA combine because of quarantine
damn andy 😂 did not let anyone live in this one
You failed to mention anything about Davions' defensive prowess, and then you said the kings bench is awful outside of monk? That's an asinine statement.
Cam Reddish has been balling as a Laker. Its not his fault the team has needed him to be the 5th best player on the team, when hes at best the 8th/9th guy off the bench. You bring him in with the second unit to make some plays on the defensive end and keep that team energy up.
Andy, can you apply these analytic techniques & give your analysis on these NBA players?
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Wilt Chamberlin
6. Larry Bird
7. LeBron James
8. Jerry West
9. Julius Erving
10. Shaquille O’Neal
I want to know if your analytical techniques can identify them as great players, compared to my subjective ranking.
The 2020 draft class has guys like Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Hailiburton, Tyrese MAxey, Lamelo Ball so its not a complete dud
Josh green
I feel like Davion Mitchell is the ultimate Bust of the past 10 seasons. He was going to easily play as good or better than Hield but it never came to fruition
I genuinely expected a video about players like Luka Doncic who got drafted by Atlanta Hawks and dropped 73 points on them a few years later. Seeing a bunch of bad players was surprising.