Luka vs. the Celtics Made One Thing Very Clear...
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- čas přidán 1. 03. 2024
- Luka Doncic is having a historic season individually, while the Celtics are having a historic season as a team, leading to quite the interesting matchup.
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Boston is playing like they have 5 players at each position at any time. 5 guys that can play power forward, shooting guard, center, point guard and small forward. They have a skilled and deep enough bench that they can rest starters for 20 minutes a game. This is a well rounded team right now. I think Red Auerbach would be pleased the way the Celtics are playing. A Red quote, "Individual honors are nice, but no Celtic has ever gone out of his way to achieve them. We have never had the league's top scorer. In fact, we won seven league championships without placing even one among the league's top 10 scorers. Our pride was never rooted in statistics."
You made a great argument for why Luka is a far better MVP candidate than Tatum. Dallas needs Luka a LOT more than Boston needs Tatum.
@@JakeKoenig😂😂
@@JakeKoenigand that’s cool, cause we only want one thing or this season is a total failure. so Luka can have it lmaoo
@@atpvnh6856maybe someday the mavericks can have that luxury and Luka can really show what he can do
@@Trillchris9607 gotta tell their front office to do better ahaha
When people hate on Luka for handling the ball too much, I want them to look at the game first and then comment. When his teammates miss often he is not going to risk losing a game. He will then be a scorer and not a playmaker. Kyrie was good but he also has bad nights, Hardaway is utterly bad this season, and that are all his options. Lively was fantastic with 100% from the game, but he is a rookie, you can't blame him for nothing. Excellent breakdown as always! Godly content!
100% agree and glad you enjoyed the video!
Nah. He does handle the ball way too much. To look at one or two games as evidence that he doesn’t is foolish and shortsighted. If he wants to win anything of significance, he’s going to need them to contribute. It’s difficult to establish a rhythm when you get few touches and you’re not sure when you’ll get those touches! That’s the main issue!
When Westbrook does it it’s bad. When Luka and Jokic do it, they’re the best ever.
@@keithtorrence2487 because Luka and joker don't shoot bricks 🧱
@@keithtorrence2487 Jokic using rate isn't that high.
Kidd went for a four-guard lineup vs. the Celtics, who have a few really tall players like Porzingus. That's when the Celtics built their lead of more than 20 points. Kidd needs to be fired.
Definitely a questionable choice...
kid is an Abomination as a head coach
to be fair Philly did the same thing against the celtics and it worked ok, but then again nick nurse is a better coach than kidd…
Well Daniel Gafford didn’t play so he didn’t have a ton of options
Tingus Pingus!
Luka was up against a borderline All-Star lineup that game.
every super start needs a decent team to back him up.. i dont think its possible nowadays for a single star to win a game.. especially vs season top1 team... will see how the playoff goes... im hoping for my country to get their first ring player :D
He got kyrie
@@mercetajstell that to the nuggets and bucks, dont make excuses bc tatum cant lead anything less than a superteam to a ring
@@cameronpowe7257kyrie wasnt even a reserve and yet celtics were trying to get derrick white in the all star game
this boston team isnt just a "decent team" lmfao@@mercetajs
How in the world does this channel only have 66K? This is literally the best brakedown of a game ever. Am I tripping or what?
Since your comment he's gotten almost 3k subs so maybe this video is hitting the algorithm! Really good breakdown!
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ye for real
Already at 74k
As a Celtics fan the only number I care about is 18
Same, JT isn't trying to win MVP, he could go off for 50 if he wanted to any given day, yet he's up there in the rankings. these guys just want another banner
@@jackie.p689150 no any given day yeah sure 😂
@@mamadousow8290 why not? he's the youngest celtic to ever do it, plus he's broken the franchise record and he's only 26. but regardless, you're missing the point. they're trying to win a championship, not the mvp. he's got 2 more players on his side that could go off for 40, so he doesn't need to do anything alone.
@@jackie.p6891I do believe Tatum could score around 33pts a game if he was looking to score all the time but there’s no way he would come close to the almost 10ast luka averages
@@ImMe20127 the problem with what yall are saying an what your missing...is jayen brown can go for 33 a game as well too...thats why tatum doesnt deserve the REGULAR SEASON AWARD mvp...hes played with a 2nd superstar every season...hes now playing with a 2nd superstar...and 3 star players in the starting 5...as a long time Cs fan and long time fan of the nba in general...theres no way tatum is the mvp when he isnt the best player on the floor every single game for this team....luka sga joker giannis are hands down more valuable to their teams...and the stats of tatum...compared to theirs dont match up...luka 34 10 9....tatum 27 9 5....thats legit not even close.
My take watching the Mavs all season long, and especially last night: Kidd needs to get fired for his awful rotation. They have the pieces for championship contention, its the coach. Gafford needs to play 20mpg instead of Maxi Kleber to provide rim protection and lob threat. Luka needs to hog the ball more and orient his scoring more in the post where he is literally unstoppable. Any guard guarding him is a mismatch, he bullied Jrue, White, Jaylen and Tatum all game long there. His fadeaways in the post go in 70% of the time, and when he fakes and lay it in, it'll either go in with a foul, or not but still 2 shots at the FT. When operating in the paint, make sure to have kyrie on the strong side for an easy wide-open 3 if double teamed.
When Luka is benched, Kai should always take more iso pick n roll, mans a magician w midrange and 3s after pick n roll. When he drives, he can make plays for others but he needs to be more aggressive and possessive of the ball.
Most importantly, give THJ's minutes to DJJ, THJ is a defensive liability with horrible shot selection. You cannot put this man in when Luka and Kyrie are in. DJJ can shoot decent and defend, as well as slash threat like PJ washington, needs to play more minutes.
Underrated players are Josh Green and Exum who hustle and glue the team. It is so obvious when they are in, Kyrie and Luka dont expend their stamina as much on the court because they cover them so much on every facet, from defending to rebounding, loose ball, and bringing the ball up the court.
My rotation:
Kai, Luka, Green, PJ and Lively starting, with Lively subbed w Gafford (sometimes Maxi), PJ and Green with DJJ, and Kai and Luka w/ Exum, Green and sometimes THJ. Kai or Luka will always be in the game.
Please copy and paste this, and send it to everyone on the Mav's roster and staff. Mike Budenholzer is somewhere without a job, and Jason Kidd is in charge of overseeing a team with a once in a generation player.
Very good. Nice armchair coaching. I’m not sure why they had gafford on the bench either. He’s been dominate with 15+ minutes.
Hollup he did not bully tatum
@@noodlah_ He didn't bully White or Holiday either. They are both elite defenders. HOWEVER, Luka is probably the best scorer in the league and last night he had an even better than average night. The Celts played good defense all night and he just scored anyway. He's just that good. It's like when Dame Lilliard or Tatum is really feeling it. They are going to score on anyone. That said, the greatness of Luka, without much help, turned out to be 28 points worse than the scary machine that the Celtics have become. Can one beat five I've seen it done, but probably not when the five are all playing at or near All Star level.
@@21kburdexactly what I’ve been thinking. How does Mike not have the Mavs head coach spot yet
mvp is an individual award not a team. luka is more valuable to the mavs than jt is to the celtics simply proven by the most of celtics are better than lukas teammates which utterly raises the contrasted value of luka to the mavs not a question. luka is playing like a player ive never seen its simply unbelievable its like he has a certain touch nobody else does.
Very much a team award.
Is it the Mvt award? No, its the Mvp award.
Back in the day Tatum would be MVP no question. Best record in the conference, best player on the team, leading the team to the best record in the NBA while getting 27, 9 & 5
1) Defense matters. Tatum is FAR more valuable as a defender.
2) Team success has always been an important part of the MVP race. You may think it shouldn't be, but it always has been. Only 8 players since the merger have won MVP on a team that finished outside the top 2 in their conference. Only 3 players have won on a team that was a 6 seed and no player has ever won on the 7th seed or lower.
@josephrafferty6763 you can't talk logic with these kids. They think that a bunch of empty stats on a team that's battling to stay out of the play in is MVP worthy lol.
So basically the Celtics hitting their shots and Lukas teammates missing, story of his career
He gave up 30 points at over 70% shooting.. he did nothing to help them win defensively.
Basically KP not making 3 3’s first quarter
@@KochTala thats a myth that stupid people agree
@@KochTala Because they were shooting 50% from 3 at high volume. Luka isn't a perimeter defender, he's one of the better post defenders in the league but the Celtics don't really use the post other than Kristaps and Tatum and neither scored much on Luka in the post
@@rishirajbose2444no he isn’t. Luka is a liability on that side of the ball no matter who he’s defending
Man... I got people arguing with me that LUKA played bad in this game... I tried to show them just how wrong they were but of course, they are right no matter what 🤷♂️😪
OMG, Luka played one of the best games a playmaker can play,..it was just dominant (1st half is a textbook). However Celtics really made their shots in the 1stQ and Luka's teammates missed a lot.
@@axx111 The Celtics are a borderline unstoppable team if they make their 3s. Their glut of ball handlers and shooters means they generate open looks at a sensational level, even without the gravity of someone like Steph or Luka. Unfortunately, when they don't make their 3s they start looking lost, like against Miami last season.
How did he play on def?
just show them this video
I mean he did play good, but the stats aren't super impressive when your team loses like that.
Love it. Great presentation of NBA game overall with an emphasis on key details. Keep it up man, this is going places 🙌🏼
Started this convo as a debate about MVP: offensive juggernaut vs two-way star, but didn’t mention a single defensive stat. Luka got scored on at a very high rate as the closest defender. Celtics literally attacked him. Tatum on the other hand locked up almost everyone who tried to score on him. Would’ve loved to see those stats included in this breakdown
Attacked him? Did you really watched this game? Lol
Came here to say this. Vid was offensively focused and still left out all the things Tatum does when he’s not scoring the ball.
judging from this video it sounds like Celtics didn't particularly attacked anyone and scored at will, so I'm sure Luka wasn't the only one who got scored on at a very high rate
@@prestoCreams lol. Yes. The Celtics always attack Luka. They seek out getting him in iso possessions. In the final game our the series last year: Tatum took 8 shots against Luka just by himself. Made 5. Luka on the other hand was blocked by Tatum once and turned the ball over twice while being covered by Tatum in that game. Only 2 points on those possessions. Brown attacked Luka all night in our first matchup. Literally dropped him on one play. And then last game he was the closest defender a huge amount of made shots (can’t find the exact number anymore). And Tatum had like 1-2 made baskets on him all game. Acting like he isn’t attacked means you didn’t actually watch lol
@@Heldarion this convo is about Luka and Tatum. The Celtics can attack a lot of people, but when they attack Luka they score. When the Mavs or Luka attack Tatum, they don’t. The video dove DEEP into the offense, but completely ignored the defensive impact between the two players. There’s no denying that
Holiday, Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Horford!! geeezz brad stevens really is a genius as a coach and now as gm is the same. how did he manage to assemble this 5 players in one team. smh!
Don’t forget White.
@@jacksonconley5117don’t forget Luke Kornet
9:39 i remember this moment so specifically. jason kidd put THJ in the game, who is a defensive liability. everytime he went in, the Celtics went on a run
This js literaly the case his whole career. Dude is the biggest net negative player in the league, maybe even history. Outside of few games he straight up ruins his own team with his negative IQ, no defense and shit chucking. If mavs just cut him and fired Kidd, without even replacing them, they would instantly become way better team.
@@whocares3201 kidd only plays him because he's seen him drop 30-40 before. sadly, he can see omax balling out in the g league, guarding luka during practices, but still won't play him at all
@@gmdsebulba621 Kidd has an obsession with shooters. It's why he keeps Tim and Kleber in any chance he gets.
@@rishirajbose2444 im just waiting for him to be fired atp
my boy keep up the work like your content.
Appreciate it!
can you do a video on how dominant Giannis has been this season he’s on pace to be the only player in nba history to average 30 on 60 percent from the field
This is AI generated content jsyk
Great video! Loved how you broke down the film. Really great!
I dont understand how Luka isnt the MVP front runner, bro is nearly averaging a 35 point triple double, crazy statline
Mvp is the most valuable player, value is determined by ur ability to win not ur ability to get stats
@@MazevGHave you seen What this team would be without Luka that Boston team without Tatum is 3rd in East behind Cavs and Bucks
@@MazevGout of anyone in the MVP race the mavs would have the largest drop off without Luka compared to any other team
Mavs aren’t very good
@@James_utd123 I disagree, they r 3-5 without luka and kyrie didn’t play most of those 8 games, almost .500 basically without both their main ball handlers shows there’s some talent there, luka has had talent around him that is always held back on his team, Brunson, porzingis, kyrie were all better without luka, even grant williams was being called one of the better 3 and D role players in the league with Tatum and we all know how it turned out when he was with Luka, people act like luka doesn’t have help but the real issue is his playstyle doesn’t let anyone else help
Pro-Luka analysis. Every team has days when they miss shots. That’s why you have to get stops to help reduce the impact. Players are not robots to shoot well all the time. All the Mavs players are lethal from 3 except PJ.
Tell me you are a casual without telling me a casual, Luke creates the best quality shots at one of the highest volumes but even then their teammates can’t convert and they are avg at best with wide open looks on the daily
@@maxv589 you're the casual here thinking players should be automatic cuz you feed them. You know nothijg of rythm & feel.
@@YeenreallylikethatFacts. Kyrie & Luka can't play defense so the offense has to be perfect.
That sounds like an Anti-Luka analysis, if anything. I agree with the point though.
Very nice,clear and balanced summary of the game. Keep up the good work.
You just earned a Subscriber, loved the break down - well done
Glad you enjoyed!
Anyone who has played organized basketball knows its very hard to stay in rhythm playing alongside someone like luka.
To those who dont play ball. Theres a huge difference between just touching the ball and feeling it and dribbling goes a long way when you finally get a chance to shoot.
As steve kerr himself said. As a roleplayer from the bulls he felt a sense of being involved just by touching and passing the ball which in turn he would put a lot more effort on defense. The bulls run a system where you dont need that high of an IQ. You just need to study and master the system to know where to pass instinctually.
The mavs dont have that.
Not to mention. You have to cover for luka defensively.
The best example of this is this game itself and the player who played for both teams porzingis.
While u make good points, I have to disagree.
If you’ve played organized basketball before you know that if you’re playing against a team that has a significant talent advantage, then the ball should, more often than not, be in the hands of your team’s best player either playmaking for teammates or trying to score.
The Mavs (besides Luka, Kyrie, and sometimes Tim Hardaway) generally speaking are not great at creating their own shot. Somebody needs to create an open shot for them. Now sure, it’s Luka’s job to ensure that his teammates stay in rythem and don’t get cold. But I believe he does do a good job of doing that most of the time.
Luka tried to get his teammates going in the first quarter and all second half but they were just missing shots. Which lead him to taking tough shots. Which he made most of.
Tell me you won't watch Luka without telling me you don't watch Luka. He is always pass first, but eventually if people start bricking he has no choice but takeover in order for them to stay in the game. There are only so many bricks you can witness before deciding "fine I guess I have to score now"
There was a stat floating around last year about the Mavs bad win record when Luka scores 35+, no SHIT, it's because when he's scoring 35+ it's because others are bricking. The entire team needs to be playing well for more wins.
The Celts targeted Luka on the other side of the court. As great as he was on offense, he gave it all back on defense.
It wasn't all him on defense. They kept leaving 3 pt shooters open to cheat toward a double team. Even after Boston destroyed them the first 3 quarters, they kept doing it. That's a coach problem. The first time someone does that (even Luka) he should get pulled until the problem stops happening.
@@SDesWriter Luka allowed 30 points on 73% shooting. But I do agree, Mavs need to fire Kidd, rotations were awful.
@@swup9851 When you say he "Allowed", you're skipping the part where he matched up against Tatum and Brown for most of the game (occasionally Porzingas). You can't "stop" those players, you can only limit their efficiency. So assuming your numbers are right, probably 50% of those points came while being challenged effectively and they just made difficult shots.
That's not him costing his team 30 points because no matter how great anyone played, at least 20 of those points was going to occur anyway. You would literally have to study the game film to break down the number of open looks people got because of defensive lapses from him and even then, some of those wouldn't have been preventable.
Interestingly, Boston has one of the best defenses in the league and players like Tatum and Brown are the among the best defensive players at their positions....and still Luka put up a 35 pt triple double. So.....
@@swup9851BTW, I can't comment on rotations because I'm not specifically a Mavs fan. I like 3 or 4 NBA teams and loosely follow them, but not enough to familiarize myself with the player rotations and who is getting shafted by not enough minutes. Not defending Kidd, just don't know enough about it to render an opinion.
@@SDesWriter The thing is, if you're being matched up against Brown or Tatum a majority of possessions, they are hunting you as a liability defender. Also, Tatum and Brown may be un-guardable, but the effort Luka showed in both matchups against Boston (I follow primarily the Celtics so I can only speak on them) was terrible. We kept hunting him and drove past him easily as Luka does a terrible job of keeping drivers in front of him. Now barring Celtics starters, the Celtics bench were doing the same thing. I saw Pritchard get around Luka with ease a couple of times; although, I don't think it resulted in points because of help defense. Point is, he does cost them on defense. Now, people will say the "steals", put steals only prove you're good at reading passing lanes, not actually defending. They'll also say "post-defense", but Luka gets beat by players driving a majority of the time, not posting. Again, brilliant offensive player; but he does too many things that I think it's a detriment. I think if he can put more effort in creating a off-ball game + put more effort on defense due to expending less energy on offense, he can be so much better.
I like Luka, do I like him better than Tatum? No. But I don't want him to turn out like Harden. Everything is subjective, and honestly with how the Mavs are run, I hope he leaves soon. The team should be built to cover luka's flaws. Mavs aren't doing that.
The Jason Kidd comment wasn't me speaking on what I know, but based of off other Mavericks fans and what I saw last night. Such as why are you running a 4 guard lineup against such a tall/lengthy team like the Celtics?
At the end of the day, just my 2 cents.
Great video HV!
Thanks bro!
W vid as always nd we getting a that chet vs wemby matchup breakdown? ik u did something similar earlier but would be interesting as both have matured
I’ve got something better planned for both of those players. 👀
Everyone laughed at me when i said current luka and 2015-19 harden the same player in a way, ones just white the other black. One has post work while the other used to athletically slam on people🤷♂️
Yeah same thing
No? Luka is better in the playoffs and Harden was worse. If anything he’s the the inverse Harden, he’s just better and more efficient and just miles better when it matters.
Why are people so mad about the Celtics being that good? Sorry for the feels I guess. I'm a GS fan but it is what it is. They are better. Get over Your emotions.
Love your vids!!!❤
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i think this can be easily reduced to 3 main points:
1. having 1 or more net negative defensive players on the floor compromises your defense. this is the something the celtics dont have so they can easily load up, stunt and recover, etc at luka. take away luka and the mavs engine breaks down. this is what happens to heliocentric/star player induced systems. see harden, james on the rockets.
2. the celtics play team ball akin to the spurs teams of old. take away one guy and the offense doesnt break down. the others keep it going. everybody is empowered to read, react and playmake unlike the mavs where only 1-2 players do that. this also means everyone on the celtics stays engaged on offense instead of standing around in the 3 point line waiting for the primary playmaker to pass them the ball (at least for the starters).
3. luka's not going to win nor get the MVP respect he deserves until he realizes he needs to do less. this is what JT realized. learn to give the game what it needs. uplift your teammates and make them better. this doesnt mean just creating easy shots for them. its about turning them into threats. turning them into decision makers who can playmake. he's not going to win either until he contributes more off-ball either. this means defense, screen assists, deflections, acting as a decoy and using his scoring gravity to let others create off mismatches (ala steph), etc.
this is what teams realize easily against the mavs. take away luka or take away his teammates (turn luka into a scorer) and they falter. the mavs system is predictable. blame it on kidd or blame it on luka. everyone knows the possession starts and "ends" with luka. he decides if he shoots or passes the ball to someone who will shoot. there's no secondary creation or initial action where luka is off-ball. everyone also realizes that luka is a weak link on defense. even Crypto-P wanted to go at him. that tells you how bad/lazy he is on that end. And no, it's not about Luka's physical limitations. Sam hauser turned from a bad defender to a good defender in a couple of years. its about energy, effort and "thinking" the game on that end.
so to summarize: good team>1 great player.
Tatum didn't make anyone into a playmaker or decision maker, he is just not a playmaker himself and needs good ball handlers around him.
The Celtics somehow managed to get this incredible roster put together and have everyone healthy and playing great. They are the best team in the NBA. Tatum is NOT the MVP (or close to it).
@@udishomer5852 sure tatum didnt make anyone into a playmaker/decision maker. Thats Joe's job. the point here is if tatum was resistant towards that as the franchise cornerstone, then the whole thing falls apart. Thats why it didnt work for them the last few seasons and its working extremely well for them now. Sacrifice, the willingness to do less/give what the game needs and having less usage/touches/time per possession while focusing on the less glamorous side of the ball such as defense. Him not throwing a tantrum for not getting his shots or holding the ball as much is how others such as white and JB develop into better playmakers/decision makers. If he hogged the ball like other superstars, then their whole "best team" doesnt work. Put someone else such as Luka or dame on their team and it doesnt work. It has to be a player who's willing to play off-ball/sacrifice numbers. Kawhi for example would work.
As for MVP, that depends on how you define MVP or what is most valuable. I value the "best player on the best team" and defense over stats-padding. Winning (and games played so embiid doesnt count) is a gatekeeper for me before we even get to looking at the stats. Anyone whose team isnt even the top 3 in their conference doesnt even deserve to be in the convo IMO. so yeah JT is close for me. Is he MVP? no. Because in that top 5-6 team group of best players where i now look at the stats, he doesnt put up numbers as much as others. Hes in my top 3. My MVP is jokic.
I think this game killed Luka's chances at MVP unfortunatelly
Yup, even if he is playing like no other player in nba history wins are still important to a degree. Sucks that he has to be on this team
Great video man.
This has to be Boston’s Chip. If they don’t win it’s a choke. Nuggets are the only team that can beat them in 7.
Special team for sure.
you forgot about the heat buddy
@@bortlenn3789you are living in the past, not the now/future. 40% of Boston’s starting team is different to last season, and same with Heat.
@@bortlenn3789again heat fan? Also pops up on every celtics content and bragging that last season run. Stop living in the past. Worry about your team first.
@@NinabebePrincess exactly. Every single post some dumb comment about a prior season.
I remember last season fans were saying Jokic couldn’t beat LeBron in the playoffs because he never had before. For some reason they don’t say that anymore… i wonder why…
If Luka wants to get his teammates heads in the game, he really needs to work on his defensive skills. Nothing gets a team going more than a good defensive play.
Like his 2nd in league loose ball recoveries, 4th in League in deflections or 7th in steals?
@@scarramakesmemoist739 But teams will still hunt him for an isolation everytime. Mavs try to hide him by letting him play passing lanes often but on ball defense is what he's talking about I think.
@@LoneWolf-rg8gz He has highest usage on offence he's going to be tired if he's also hunted on D. His teammates should be a lot more fresh to play good D when Kidds whole gameplan is run the entire offence through Luka. Mavs can't win if Luka has to do everything.
No matter how high in defensive rating Luka is, people still push this stale narrative lol. Look, he’s an offensive powerhouse. His defense will always seem not that impressive by comparison because of how good he is offensively. He’s still a better defensive player than 90% of the league if you look at the numbers.
@@scarramakesmemoist739 Celtics scored on Luka 11/15 times. It's a weakness that is definitely exploitable is all I'm saying. If you give up alot on defense while having a high usage rate it's hard to beat better teams imo. As much as he's scoring and having a great season I don't see that style of play taking the Mavs far in the playoffs with their current roster
I like how you just didn’t bring up his horrible defense at all. The difference is Tatum is a solid defender as is most of the Celtics. Luka routinely gives up on defense , even just this game let’s see how many points he gave up on easy drives to the lane. Bro is literally the white James harden
He’s playing very good defense, obviously you don’t watch him play much.
He is built like a center, he can't guard fast players. On the other hand, he can post up 1-5. Tatum and Doncic are not similar players. Luka is more of a white Lebron, than Harden...I though that was obvious to everyone.
Tatum is an elite defender much better than solid
How is he horrible in defense if he is leading all his games in rebounds?
@@Francis-of8cw his rebounds are absolutely useless
He gets uncontested defensive rebounds which basically have zero value because he doesn't box anyone out before grabbing his rebounds
Mavs probably need to move Green, Hardaway, & Eczema if they're gonna be serious. I like Washington, Gafford, Lively. I just don't think these guys provide much for them, and there's probably better point of attack defenders out there. One KCP (or DFS) is probably worth 2 of them
I think they also need to get rid of Maxi Kleber, hes just not a good player
NO. One thing we have to do is to fire Kidd
@@codylilley2668 I always forget about kleber because it's like he just doesn't play anymore. He used to be one of a few bigs in the league who could shoot and defend the perimeter but you can't really expect anything out of him anymore. I agree
@@KnoxWheelerJr he played 20 mins that game and went 2,2 and 1
Excema🤣 do you mean Exum
This was a very sound analysis. Very reminiscent of Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball. I just subscribed - Well done.
Thank you!
In their two matchups this season, Jayson Tatum outscored Luka Doncic, 71-70, while attempting 15 fewer shots.
Also in those two games, Tatum was +44 and Doncic was -33.
We'll just leave it at that.
The first stat is valid, but using per game plus minus? Of course the player on the better team that wins both games is going to have a higher plus minus. How about you compare Luka's PER, TS%, or BPM? Luka vastly clears Tatum in all of those categories.
Can’t wait for Tatum to crumble again come playoffs time
68% on corner 3s!!!!!!
Jrue in the corner must be the most efficient shot in the nba rn
Yeah that stat blew me away as well. Who averages 68% from beyond the line?!?
Being able to go 5 out WITH size like the C’s do is a huge reason I wanted my Mavs to get Poku when OKC waived him. Dude is hella young and can dribble, pass, and shoot. We have an open roster spot and didn’t bother signing him. Dude just wound up signing w/ Charlotte of all teams…
He’s a hidden gem
Mavs literally had kristaps and couldn't maximize his potential lmaooo
@@Raiders1223that's because Luca doesn't share the ball so nobody gets fully maximized unless your a spot up shooy
Or because he was injured half the time and couldn't post up guards. Depends on who you ask. He is a better player now. That's if you ask Porzingis @@christophercastellano6359
8:28 thats crazy cant lie. with P.J Washington it allows him to do these bailout passes if defenses overhelp! such a good addition to space the floor
For all of Luka’s stats. He gave up 30 points and Celtics shot 70+% when Luka was the primary defender. That’s not even close to acceptable for someone who HAS to be on the floor
Been saying this bruh his awful defense almost cancels out his offense
Bro don’t waste your time these Luka Stans act like defense isn’t even a part of basketball it’s crazy how horrible he is no effort at all. On top of that he complains every possession and it wears off on his teammates not a good leader.
Yeah his D is lacking in both effort and quality
People need to stop carrying the weight for Luka, we get it you can score now do something in the playoffs
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Was it not enough that he took mavs team with spencer fking dinwiddie as a second option to western conference finals? He took the damn clippers with kawhi to 7 games two years in a row there is only so much one player can do alone when you have a coach constatly pushing iso ball instead of team basketball and then has the nerve to criticize the game plan he made.
@@Cruelt Jalen bruson average 22 points a game on that conference run luka fans always under mind his teammates
@@woke49facts lmao i just checked and the mavs was the only team in the western conference that had 2 20+ ppg scorers for the playoffs luka and brunson
@@woke49 It's not undermining it's the truth.
Which superstar made it to the WCF with starters that on most teams would be bench warmers : Reggie bullock,Dfs,Dwight Powell,brunson,and Luka. That roster normally wouldn't have a chance against the Suns or any top team it was anomaly that was made possible by Luka carrying the whole team.
most nba fans don't understand that basketball is a team sport. it's the same thing with football. qb's in football get all of the credit for winning games when there are 53 players on an active roster. if steph curry played on the wizards or bobcats/hornets his whole career he wouldn't have won a single ring.
Yep. The MAVs definitely don't have enough around him.
Exactly. While of course one player can make a difference, he cannot win by himself. Or with a bad coaching. Etc etc.
Tbh it's mostly an American thing. This is prevalent in their culture.
And it's actually so annoying to read/see. But that's not even the worst thing. Cult of a solo hero coupled with 0 knowledge about the professional that's the worst lol.
He gave up 30 points at over 70% shooting. Lmfao
They balled on him like he was a kid
@@josephrafferty6763 Honestly post trade deadline Mavericks have a decent unit around him (they weren't great vs Boston) but Jason Kidd doesn't even use Gafford and forces THJ in the game to ensure we lose no matter how good Luka plays. The Mavericks legit look worse than the are because of really really bad coaching, sure they aren't even sniffing at the roster Boston has right now but they are better than people think (if they had a real coach). Jaden Hardy would be a 15+ point score off the bench on any other team in the league and he's been on fire and the last two games Jason Kidd played him 0 minutes. Omax the extremely athletic rookie has been absolutely dominating in summer league and front office keeps calling him up to the roster and he gets, 0 minutes. The Mavericks gave up a 1st round pick to acquire Gafford and in his second game he almost had 20 points 20 rebounds, and now Jason Kidd is giving him 6 minutes a game. The Mavericks got the game to within 2 after it looked like Boston was running away with it and Jason Kidd switched to a small ball 4 guard lineup with PF Maxi Kleber at C and Boston went on like a 17-3 run and never looked back from there.
Excellent analysis, this is the type of content ESPN needs to promote.
Luka is playing tennis, the celtics are playing team ball.
I love Luka but it's starting to get ridiculous that super fans like to gloss over the fact that Luka plays little to no defense. The Mavs have a excellent roster but there is also the coaching that helps them beat themselves. The lack of athletic wing defenders will always kill the Mavs. Kidd should've played DJ & Prosper more than Hardaway and Green.
He actually plays decent defense, but in games where he's being asked to do more than usual the defensive effort is lacking. Other games where everyone is actually hitting shots, he can do less on offense and plays much better defense. It's highly dependent on how the team is playing. In the Celtics game everyone was ice cold and they forced him to carry all of the scoring.
@@slimconfuciusHe led the team in scoring in the playoffs and they went to game 7 against Lebron in his prime if that’s not impressive you must be delusional.
@@dior2939 My comment was about Luka's defense and nothing else, so I don't know what you're going on about.
Bro this was an excellent breakdown
That’s first clip of Luka driving with Pozingas in drop is the perfect example of his genius. About the 0:47 mark I think. Watching it in slow motion you can see that he keeps Porzingas in two minds perfectly the whole way to the rim is just brilliant.
Luka allowed 30 points on 11/15 shooting in this game. He is a huge defensive liability and cancels out a lot of his offense.
if the MVP award considered defensive effectiveness more, tatum and giannis would be further up
@@wizzfizz6800 ladder should be
Jokic
Tatum
SGA
Giannis
Luka
Imo
@@donnycassidy3318 I would put sga above tatum for mvp he contributes alot too his team on offense and defense
How did you get that data haha
@@LoneWolf-rg8gz think thats fair, they are interchangeable imo
SGA or Tatum In 2024?
tatum can shoot shai cant, shai better interior finisher, depends if ur team has spacing shai might just be better but im taking tatum cause hes great on everywhere on the court on both sides
@@cheap272I wouldn’t say he can’t shoot when he shoots almost 40% but i feel you
@@cheap272wym Shai can’t shoot????
Tatum all day long
@@cheap272 Shai has much better shooting splits than tatum tho. Smh, that's even averaging way more ppg man.
Tatum had 32 more efficiently than Luka and he actually plays defense. In your video you keep saying Luka did everything possible but there's one integral thing he doesn't do. He doesn't play defense well at all. Literally any player on the Celtics could score on him, he's a liability. Tatum isn't weak at all on either side of the ball, and he playmakes just doesn't get assists since Celtics are a pass 3 times and shoot instead of a catch and shoot type of team.
Great video
mvp ladder, power rankings, etc these things are literally rolled out by the NBA to make their product more consumable for casuals so if you see one arguing the hell out of their stans they could either be a die hard fan or they're casuals. (nothing wrong about being a casual tho, they definitely make the game more interesting)
7:25 that's the JT that's needed in the Finals down the stretch.
Finally analysis worth watching.
Nice analysis.
Celtics fan. Luka is more of an MVP candidate than Tatum. So is SGA and Jokic. I don’t say this begrudgingly because Tatum himself said that what matters is winning. And our team wins more when the wealth is shared and the individual is de-emphasized. I know that Tatum is playing amazing. But the one thing that really impressed me this year was his leadership. His clear statement that the team is what matters. I’m not saying that Luka or Joker or SGA don’t believe this. They surely do. But they are just much more important on their team
Also a Celtics fan here, and I agree with what you said.
Unfortunately there are people so stupid in these comments that they're saying things like 'Tatum isn't elite offensively.' and 'If Luka has a bad scoring night he can still impact the game more than if Tatum has a bad scoring night.'
They think Tatum isn't offensively elite, and that Luka is a better defender...
Can't really argue with THAT level of stupid.
couldn’t have said it better .. as a Celtics fan & Tatum being my favorite player I can’t agree more .. like with all due respect I hate the fact that because Tatum is prioritizing the team more than his individual accomplishments is what’s hindering his I guess “ MVP “ credentials .. like let’s be real if Tatum needed to drop 40 every game then he would try his best to do so but we don’t need him to do that to win .. the mavs need big games from Luka because his supporting cast is so inconsistent & you don’t know if they’re going to show up ona game to game basis .. Jokic is just Jokic , like I mean you can’t really argue with your center giving you 20-30 pts, 10+ Rebs & 10+ assists .. SGA is just a demon .. like I love his game & how he just gets to his spots but I feel like Tatum beats SGA when it comes to MVP just from a stand point of what your personal MVP requirements are .. some people it’s what you mean to your team .. some it’s the best player on the best team so in all honestly I wouldn’t really be upset if Tatum doesn’t win it but I wouldn’t really respect anyone winning it other than Tatum because I feel that the goal post is moved so much on a year to year basis
As a Celtics fan, I agree with everything you said. I am amazed by Luka's talent which is obviously on a level higher than Tatum. Just as I'm amazed by how Tatum has tailored his game for the Celtics team to play this well. Luka may win MVP ahead of Tatum, but from the looks of it, Tatum will probably win FMVP first ahead of Luka.
@@harborwolf22you right dude
I agree mostly but my argument with people taking Luka over Tatum is, yes Luka is better offensively than Tatum where Luka separates offensively is primarily on playmaking, but everything else I feel like offensively JT is just as good as Luka, but JT can play elite defense which we know Luka isn’t capable of, so why take Luka who’s is yes better than JT offensively but JT is WAY better defensively than Luka & JT is still is ending up 1st All NBA right beside Luka
I'm a Celtics fan and as much as I would love to see my boy Tatum win that MVP there's just too much talent on this Celtics team and I still maintain from a championship perspective that KP is the x factor and most important player in enabling us to win a championship. Therefore, Luka is more valuable to his team's ability to push the needle forward as a team and his numbers reflect it. What we witnessed last night is the Celtics' immense superiority as a team.
Yeah the video did a fantastic job of showing why Luka is so damn important for the Mavs. Without him we're a lottery team. Celtics doesn't have that problem. I really believe Luka should be the MVP favorite but trust me, I'd rather my team be like the Celtics. I'd take being a clear favorite to win the finals than one guy win an MVP.
Yeah I’m a Sixers fan and I can tell you that we always worry more about KP and Derrick White than Tatum honestly.
@@Byronic19134 And it makes sense why. Don't get me wrong. Tatum is an important piece and phenomenal player but as far as team construction goes the pick and pop gives Tatum so much room to be brilliant. Now I don't give a damn about that as a Celtics fan. Do what you gotta do. But I gotta be honest about it.
Holiday, Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Horford!! imagine that hahaha its a solid line up..
@@ShadowMonarchOfficial It's an insane line up as we can see lol. God knows how my Celtics managed it but I'm not complaining LMAO.
At 6:22 you can see that he has an option to either hit DLive in the middle or he knows that Tatum is going to cut in on the help defend and Luka could make the pass to PJ in the corner, but he chooses the middle because he trusts that Lively is going to make that shot and he doesn't trust that PJ will make what would be a wide open 3...
This game had a lot to do with Kyrie missing shots too. He was brought there to be a key player so even if he’s not the team captain he’s strong number two.
I think it was a bit of both. The Celtics being the best in the league and Dallas not being on that lvl just yet. Kyrie was off and the mavs shot like 26% from 3 while the Celtics shot almost 50%, not gonna win that way. But even if the Mavs play better, I still think it's like a 5-8 point difference between the two teams which is fine as the Mavs aren't there just yet.
As a Dallas fan this one hurt, we have been trading waters since the AllStar game and the role players are not playing their roles after the break. I tell this to everybody, this is why wins and record should play a part in the MVP, it is a team sport and there is no value in losing ugly, even if you are playing well, this would incentivize players expressing themselves and asking for more.
We have waisted many Luka years and this years seems like it is going to hurt just as much as we missing the playoffs last year.
I was at this game and as a Celtics fan it was SO fun and entertaining! I got my hat signed by Jayson Tatum, Jaylin Brown, Derrick white, and Cedric Maxwell!!! I was row H and I had the best game I’ve ever been too and as a HUGE Luka fan it was fun to watch him cook with 37 12 and 11 but still get blown out to my C’s!
There's a difference between 'not capitalizing' and just not good enough - if it was just a case of not hitting shots in that particular game, then the Mavs wouldn't be the 8, they're the 8 because they're an average team with a great player
Please explain the GSW vs Celtics game, i wan wondering is that a basket ball game, seems like a torture 😂
If you face the number 1 team be sure everyone in the team play thier best... Yeah those open shot assist by Luca will not able to capitalize so sad... Everyone from the Mavs are off in this game! Hoping everything will be resolve they're still in the game for having division championship 🏆 nor NBA championship 🏆 who knows
Luca would win the argument if he defended more, passed the ball more and won. Not a team player.
The rest of the league is concerned with Luka MVP Celtics fans are concerned about number 18. Says really all that needs to be said.
i dont think there is any chance for mavs if they dont fundamentally change the way they play.
Tatum is a top 10 player but respectfully he isn’t in that MVP tier this season maybe in the future though 🤷♂️
Well he chose to take more of a back seat to make the team
better.
I'm not disagreeing with you honestly, but Tatum could be scoring quite a bit more if he really wanted to.
I think Tatum's been incredibly valuable! It's just so difficult to evaluate his own individual brilliance relative to the team considering how historically dominant they've been.
FACTS 💯 TATUM IS TOP 15 IMO😮💨 TATUM IS NOT A BAD PLAYER BY ANY MEANS BUT PEOPLE RELLY THINK HE'S TOP 5 EVEN TOP 3 IS CRAZY 2 ME 😳 THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE NBA IMO
@@waff6ix I don't like the celtics, but jayson tatum is definetly top 10. Especially looking at his playoff performances. He's the most accomplished young player out rn imo. He's the type of guy who will be in many finals mvp coversations
@@LoneWolf-rg8gz I GOT 15 PLAYERS I WOULD RATHER HAVE ON MY TEAM THAN JASON TATUM 💯 ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS 😮💨
IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
1 JOKIC
2 GIANNIS
3 LEBRON (EVEN AT 40)💯
4 JIMMY BUTLER
5 SGA
6 LUKA
7 DURANT
8 CURRY
9 ANT EDWARDS😮💨
10 BOOKER
11 LILLARD
12 KYRIE
13 KAWHI LEONARD
14 EMBIID
15 JA MORANT
To be honest I will wait for playoffs especially for holiday because regular season defences are a joke. This year multiple players had 50+ games in regular season than all NBA history
The problem with the Mavs also happens to be the only thing right about the mavs… it’s Luka but it’s not really his fault.
It’s undeniable his offensive brilliance. That man can score from anywhere, he is a great decision maker and most importantly he’s without a doubt one of the best passers in the league alongside lebron, jokic, Tyrese, etc. but because the team revolves so heavily around Luka’s offensive production he doesnt play consistent defense.
I be wanting to blame it on the lack of ball movement & how Luka will not just pass sometimes but also we need more.. Kyrie is my favorite player but something is missing
Need to see Bam Adebayo in a Mavs uniform.
@@HoopVenueNah wouldn't make any sense the mavs would have to give up to much to get bam and he wouldn't fit well with Derek lively and lively's a great young player who could develop really well so i dont think he should be taken out of the starting lineup
Honestly the roster has had many updates over these past 2 years and it's time to actually start smelling the coffee.
Huh, Luka was passing all the time but they were bricking everything. Then the Celtics decided to play 1v1 on Luka and stay home on the shooters, so he has to take over.
@@pushinp157Have any of these iterations been on par with the best teams in the league?
You said it in the first 30 seconds, Luka’s “offensive brilliance”, but the man’s a straight liability against any decent threat on the defensive end. Tatum plays both ends of the floor exceptionally well. We can’t give the award for the leagues best player solely off of offensive prowess. There’s two sides of playing basketball, Lukas only good at one.
The coach has a lot to do with that and Luka's big ego combined with brilliance makes others sometimes less motivated because they rely too much on him. Players are ordinary people and playing is their job and on the job, you are not always 100% motivated. We tend to lean on a teammate to carry the load while we take the path of least resistance". If they are all locked in and motivated they are hard to stop. This game was "close" till the fourth quarter and the Celtics played at their best possible the whole time, if Dallas had their heads together and play their best, they could win.
0-10 Love to see it 😂😭 Tatum owns Kyrie!
Celtic’s record is not from a MVP player, it’s because their starting 5 is Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, Derrick White, Jrue Holiday & Porzingis…
That starting 5 is insane
LOL Excuses for FLUKA
If Kristaps Porzingis stay healthy this season & consistent 2024 playoffs Boston big chance get #18 banner 💪💪💪
Good vid idea 👀
Jayson Tatum is MVP and it's not even close ☘
Boston still a top 3 seed without him, he’s not that valuable when it comes to the best players in the world and his only argument is the fact he has a stacked team
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Man, this video is an excellent example of what I've been saying about Luka all year. When people talk about how he doesn't make his team better, I want to show them this video.. he finds them, but he can't shoot for them too.. they miss sooooooo many open shots, that he has to basically take the game over because he loses trust in his shooters.. if he had a consistent 3pt shooter, he would be averaging 15 assists a game.. He has lost any and all trust in THJ, who is supposed to be the third scorer on this team.. He has more trust in his big men now, so of course they are eating at a high volume.. Luka can absolutely make his team better, but they have to be able to hit the open shots he creates for them..
Even great offensive teams can have bad nights. Perhaps a change of defensive tactic (or coach lol) will be their last resort before playoffs come...
I still can't believe stats like WS, WAR and VORP aren't the main sources to determine MVP: it's literally called "Most Valuable", what more value can you find than the player who contributes the most to the team (or whose team fares the worst when they're not on)?
I notice there’s no mention of Lukas defensive rating lol
114 vs Tatum's 110. But Luka has a higher offensive rating... And is a better playmaker. Not to mention defensive value isn't as valuable in today's NBA.
@@slimconfucius I’m good. Dudes a dog.
For the Mavs, both Luka and Kyrie MUST put up a big night at the same time, or else PJ or someone stepping up. But you see when Kyrie doesn’t deliver like this game vs. the Celtics, it doesn’t matter how well Luka plays.
Also the Mavs shot 26% from 3 points which is simply abysmal and way below their average while the Celtics shot above their average - partly because Dallas is so inconsistent defensively.
Add Kidd’s horrible rotations and only playing Gafford for 6 minutes - it all is a recipe for disaster
At 3:40 that jrue Holiday shot was just filthy
I’ll take the guy who plays all around ball and at least makes a representative effort on D… Luka can ball but he’s only offense, nothing else
Lmaoooooo easy to say when your team is built to win. Luka’s teams is built for him to legit have to carry, please learn ball before you comment, Luka has to play lights out just to have a chance to win, Tatum can score 14 and still win, simply not the same, Luka has significant more offensive responsibly than Tatum whole
Legit just has to make shots, while Luka has to create/score at a high and efficient level.
@@kevinrivera1403 I agree that there is definitely a different dynamic at play bc if team construction. I’m not saying Luka CANT play D, I just don’t think he wants to - problem for the Mavs is they went and got Kyrie who won’t even think the word “defense” nevermind play it. I do like Luka, and if I’m honest I wish JT had some of that bulldog in him that Luka has. I just love a guy who plays an all around game and sacrifices stats for wins. Maybe Luka will do the same sometime
why dont you show the plays in chronological order, just wondering
Offense is only half the game, would have liked if you talked about their individual defense. Then the Luka Lovers could get a more complete picture and stop being delusional.
People dont hate on Luka, his style of play will lead to stats, not chips. The thing that these spread offense teams havent caught up to yet is they still have volume shooters as their sharp shooters. Guys like Luka have to be surrounded by sharp shooters not volume shooters catching and shooting on the wings and corners. If this keeps up Kyrie should be leaving (no reason to stay if hes not eligible for a max deal.) and Hardaway should be asking out also. Look how many ppl wanted out of dallas. Watching him play its easy to see he wont get far, snd since hes been s pro since 15 i wonder if his shelf life is shorter because of it. Mentally can he stay engaged cuz he gave up a chunk of childhood. He doesnt stay in tip top shape so attrition will play a part earlier than expected in my opinion, and be dont play enough defense to warrant him being so ball dominant. Im guessing his teammates who he can keep cold at times, have to feel its all or nothing with luka at the helm. They cant help decide the teams fate.
Great breakdown of the offensive side ... now what about the defense? Luka has constantly attacked in this game and didn't show a lot of effort. So for as well as he played on offense he was -20 in his plus/minus for the game. I really don't like giving the MVP to players that only play half of the game.
Luca, Kyrie PJ, Max and Gafford should be a rotation at some point!
luka is a defensive liability, and an absolute legend offensively
Kidd had Lively, Luka playing as roamer for a good portion of this game.
When Luka roams, almost every time, offensive big man steps out to draw out the defensive big. Then, the only person left to guard the paint is Luka, BBQ Chicken. Either a driving layup or the big man cuts to the hoop for an uncontested bucket. Too many defensive flaws w/ this Dallas team.
Also doesnt help that they played the celtics, an easy way to make your team look bad.
Luka understandably puts a lot of energy into the offense but is a sliding door on defense with him as a primary defender he gave up 30 something points on 70%+ shooting allowing guys to get into a rhythm so easily just makes his life that much harder
great video!!
LUKA MAGIC👑
Luka getting that Young Lebron treatment
porzingis is a such a difference maker , i think he was meant to be the 3rd star like bosh was
Absolutely love his game
6:31 gives me PTSD of the 2017 Finals