1972 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am vs 1968 Hurst Olds | STOCK DRAG RACE
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- 1972 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am vs 1968 Oldsmobile Hurst Olds. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1972 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. The other a 1968 Hurst Olds. The Hurst Olds has a 455 V8, and the Trans Am has a 455 V8. The Hurst Olds was rated 390 GROSS horsepower, while the Trans Am was rated 300 NET horsepower. The Firebird has a 4-speed manual. The Hurst/Olds has a TH400 3-speed automatic transmission. Rear gearing in the Hurst Olds is 3.42, and 3.73 in the Pontiac Trans Am. The Hurst Olds weighs 3790 pounds including the driver, while the Firebird is 3864. There were 1286 total 1972 Trans Am produced, and only 458 had the 4-speed. There were only 515 total 1968 Hurst Olds produced, with 464 in the holiday coupe like our featured car. Motor Trend tested a Hurst Olds; 13.98 seconds @ 101.28 mph. Car And Driver tested a 1972 Trans Am: 0-60 was 5.4 seconds and quarter mile 13.90 seconds @ 104.6 mph.
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire factory stock. Super Car Drag Race.
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The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - CR 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
Disclaimer: The Cars And Zebras CZcams channel is a news channel bringing results/news of drag racing with added history of automobiles. All footage/pictures used were either captured by the Cars And Zebras channel, or used for critique purposes under Fair Use.
Who do you think is taking home the win?
I say the trans 👀
Jo mommma
Premiering at 4:15, then, countdown for 5 minutes. Lol
The shifter.
Trans Am if it has the 455 H.O
My father owned one of those '68 442s w/ the bronze/gold engine. Sadly, it got rear-ended by a drunk. Lucky me, I got to help my father pull the drive train, w/ nearly the whole neighborhood watching, as that beauty of an engine came up out of the engine bay. He ended up installing that drive train into a '67 Chevelle body for his dedicated drag car and I got to be his pit crew and hang out w/ all of the grown-ups. Always thought that I was cool cause I got to hang in the pits, while there were no other minors (I was 14-15) back there. The 50s/60s were a great era to grow up in for car nuts.
I’m a Mopar guy, but man that Hurst Olds is beautiful!!!! I wouldn’t touch a thing on it, I’d leave the patina and all. Also is it just me or did that Oldsmobile look like it was doing at least 12.10’s? Fastest 13 second pass I’ve ever seen.
Definitely looked quick!
Same here
Yeah poor gearing on the top end plus brick like aerodynamics.
I am a Mopar man now, but in 1973 I had a dark green with vinyl roof 68 Cutlass Supreme. It had a 350 4 barrel with 2 speed automatic. I had it up to 130 mph on the perimeter Highway in Winnipeg in 1973.
I think 68 was the nicest looking Cutlass, but I am biased.🙂😎
mopar/pontiac/olds/buick, i say go hand and hand, i know multiple die hard mopar guys who still own one of those 3 at least, google the 427 pontiac hemi, it was an experimental engine co-designed
This was a bad ass race!! 2 of my favorites; BOTH in 455!! Was awesome!
Thank you for sharing this race with us!!
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The 68 olds never came with a 455 from the factory.....
I was wrong, my bad....
That trans am is gorgeous.
Sadly two GM brands now gone. Man races don't get much closer than this!
Yep, that what sucks must of all.
Agreed, some of the most storied GM Musclecars were made by Oldsmobile and Pontiac.
Back in the day I was an Olds guy and the 442 was my dream machine. This one is in need of a ground up but I still love it. The T/A was always one of my favorites and the '72 was a beauty! I had a black '76 T/A which was a dog but I still had fun with it. Nice seeing these cars run!
I'm a pontiac guy currently building my own 71 t/a. That t/a run hard but the torque of that old is unmatched
My buddy found a T/A 455 HO in a barn, yup its awesome. That Olds is the car version of Farmtruck! Great vid!
good news, last year I bought a 1971 Trans Am 455HO in very good shape. I'm so glad I found this one(see my comment 2 years ago). This beauty is for 90% original. The 3.42 rear axle was changed for a 2.63, pitty, but gives a better drive on the highway. It's defently a keeper! Thanks for sharing this video😎 and cheers from France
68 hurst is the car that got me into musclecars, 1974 my grandparents bought a 1968 H/O for $4,000.
"Olds.. it's a good feeling around you"... old slogan. Great video & great race, thanks!
Thanks for watching 👍
LOVE the look of the Olds 442 Hurst 455 !!! That's exactly how I would want my Muscle car. That way I would never have to worry about a ding, dent or scratch. Just pure BALLS and TORQUE !!
Good race and good looking trans am
Love the videos love the races very high quality commentary 👌 perfect funny enjoyable
An awesome race! I wished that I knew about the Hurst Olds 455 package back in 68 when I was shopping for a hot 2 dr big block
That Trans Am is gorgeous .
That was quite the huge smoke cloud the last burn out the H/O left! It looked like a house fire it was so BIG!!! those goodyears got fried!!! Close cool races for sure! Thanks again!
Very nice T/A!
I was 18 yrs old in 1972 when the salesman at DeGulieo Pontiac in Fremont Ca. allowed me to leave my 1964 Olds 442 at the dealership and drive home a new TransAm, white w/blue graphics ..I needed a cosigner for the loan ..I drove the 442 home.
Awesome race, two of my favorites!
Sure do appreciate you posting this stuff.
The 455 SD might get all the glory, but that 455 made some serious numbers. OK, I admit my 442 bias, but it put down some serious runs too. Interesting to note the TA closing the gap on the big end in each race. As always, thank you! 🌮 🌮
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The H/O is a going Jessie! That trap speed on the poncho is impressive, a roll race would prove it..
I really enjoy your videos! Appreciate the extra history on the '68 Hurst Olds. '68 442 were my most favorite. Keep up the great work!
Wow, what a heartbreaker for the T/A to lose both races by such a tiny margin. I wonder what his reaction time was.
0.173 in the first, 0.153 in the second. Hurst Olds had a 0.001 in the first round!!!
@@CarsAndZebras incredible! Not going to beat that. No wonder those Hurst Olds acquired such a reputation at the stoplight drags. It smashed at the 1/8 mark.
@@CarsAndZebras, yeah, I could tell the Hurst driver was cutting some stupid reaction times. Love a 4-speed car... just not the best for consistent reaction times.
Reaction time won’t affect the ET.
CR killed the Poncho. Both great cars. Worked on them new.
Loved seeing that beautiful white t/a I'm a Ford man but have always liked those.
Had a 67 442 nothing and I mean nothing could touch that car had it high school when I stomped in that thing and those secondaries opened up on that rochester you knew I was coming loved that car nothing but power and performance looking to get another one to bring back those high school days
30 years ago or so I found a 68 hurst sitting uncovered in a Portland Oregon driveway. Guy wouldn't sell it. Hope this is it... I'm just gonna pretend it is and that it survived and didn't rust to nothing
Great video loving the content, both cars are just awesome but I would love to have that hurst/olds huge Oldsmobile fan. Both cars ran really good and close match too, keep up the great content.
Woooo!!! That was a good race! I highly enjoyed that one. 👍
Love that Olds!
God damn that T/A is beautiful...
Very nice, but I also like the Hurst Olds.
@@CarsAndZebras For sure. I love the fact that he's running in a class where all the cars look show room new, and he's rocking what most guys would be able to afford and still have fun.
We always called that dual gate shifter, the His & Hers shifter. Sexist, yes, but those were the days.
The MPH and weight says this TA is actually making more HP than the Olds.
Exactly! Trans Am has strong legs on the other end!
Very close in horsepower , aerodynamics may be a factor too.
4 speed manual in the firebird
455's give me snot bubbles 👍
Love these cars ! Pontiac with more top-end breathing, but the Olds has the low and mid-range torque - from back in the days when cars had distinct personality. Two beauties….thank you Cars and Zebras !
Thanks for watching!
I say that because it's true. I don't care what the stock drag racing rules say. If you're representing your vehicle as "stock" it should be as it came from the factory. And I've had several thumbs up on my statement.
Look see ! Another thumbs up
I find it amusing saying the Pontiac has more top end and the Olds has more low and mid range. They both make power in the same RPM range, and the torque curves are very similar between Olds an Pontiac 455s, as in flat and carrying out to 4500-5000 rpm. Having owned C head 455 Olds and a 455 HO, trust me, no matter what they are rated the HO is making a lot more power everywhere. I'd take either one of those cars though, just like they are. The TA would be a nice bookend to my 72 455 HO Formula.
I respectfully disagree, because Pontiac engines had long strokes making them torque monsters, not high revvers. HP vs torque has always been a toss-up.
One of the cool things about the Factory Stock drags is not only are the cars fast but the underside keep them looking as good as they run. And then this Olds beater got on the track looking like it just got pulled out of someone’s barn after 30 years.
Im pretty sure I saw this Hurst Olds a couple years ago at the Olds Homecoming in Lansing. If I remember correctly, it HAD been stored in a barn for several decades.
Yeah…. It pretty much was dragged out of a barn. Current owner states he did an engine rebuild and dyno-tuned.
*owners keep them…
That was some close racing good to both cars running fast numbers. The T/A was stunning my pants are still tight 😍
Awesome , Thanks C&Z
Both of these are awesome cars! 👍🏿
The 68 Hurst/Olds is one of my favorites. Basically if you wanted the fastest production car from GM in 1968 you had to buy the Hurst/Olds all other GM intermediate muscle cars were restricted to 400 or less cubic inches unless you could get a COPO Camaro with the 427 V8.
71-72 455ho ain’t no joke! My brother had a 72 ta back in the day I can tell you not many cars would hang with it .
TWO GREAT CARS . 👍👍👍👍👍👍
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If that Pontiac was an automatic I think it would have won.
I had the same thought.
What's there not to like, now that is good old-fashioned drag racing!...👍
Any body from the lancaster York Lebanon pa area remember the loops ? When I showed up at any of the 3 of them every body would park cause they knew they couldn't mess with 442 it was funny 😆
Goodday C & Z,
This is from years ago but who cares it is all about the race.
Oldsmobile was way ahead of Chevrolet when it came to fitting BB into intermediate size cars.
Nothing wrong with a Yenko, Nicky, Baldwin, Gibb retro fitted with a 427 Chevrolet.
Being Australia's number 1 Oldsmobile Fan it was Oldsmobile all the way for me.
Great racing, great times that Poncho wasn't hanging around.
Love those old ads.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
Trans Am's have always been my favorite. They might not have been the fastest but the styling was always on point. Just my opinion of course, I'm sure that a lot of Mopar, Chevy, and Ford enthusiasts would argue me down.
LOVE THE T/A
Wow! 300 HP for a ‘72..that’s a beast! Surprised me and gave favored higher compression Olds a ‘run for the money’!
Weren't a few of these Hurst\Olds being in Super Stock & early Pro Stock drag racing in the late 1960s- early 1970s ?
With some fine tuning both of these cars would run in the 12s, and that is pretty good!!!! 2022
I love you videos!!! But I miss the toilet humor😭😭😭
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that trans am is my dream car. I sold mines 25 years ago, still sad about it
My uncle owns the 68 H/O and a 70 w31
Badass Oldsmobiles right there, that W31 was a big block slayer.
Cars that were made long before i was born,but the spirit of liking these cars stay alive through our parents,us,and our next generations down will still look at 72' Firebirds growing up and being interested in these era of cars!! These cars will still be alive and popular in the year 3000,they'd still have and talk about these cars people will!! What was lofe like in the 60's some kids will ask!! There surely wasn't a bad economy being a green flag!!
Two of my favorite brands. What else can I say besides thumb up?
DAMN ... A 455 IN 1968 I THOUGHT THE 455 AND 454 STARTED IN 1970 ...
I GOT THAT ONE WRONG !!!
We had a 1966 Olds 98 with a 455. Olds had the first 455. Only larger engines from GM were in Cadillacs.
@@thegreenerthemeaner YEAH ... MY 68 ELDORADO HAD A 472 AND WENT TO 500 BY
69 OR 70 AT ONE TIME I 4
ELDORADOS 67 & 68 THERE WAS A GUY BUILDING UP THE 500 CADDY ENGINES AND THEY WERE UNBELIEVEABLY POWERFUL
I wonder if the 3.42 gears are holding back the Hurts Olds. I would think at least 4.10 would've been better.
068 cam only had .410 inch of lift!! It was its duration that made it pull hard. Actually most Pontiac cams had very little lift except the ram air III & IV. I’m surprised you missed that, you usually don’t miss the small details no one knows about.
Damn that Olds could really use a full restoration.
I don't care what the stock drag racing rules say. If you're representing your vehicle as stock it should be as it came from the factory
Hey cars n Zebras, the 68 Hurst Olds was NOT a 442, it was a Cutlass with Hurst Olds Package!
That’s what some say, but the original window sticker says otherwise. www.volocars.com/vehicles/13572/1968-oldsmobile-hurst
wrong the vins started with 344 thats a 442 vin i own a hurst olds
@@robertludwig1278 Yup, I am eating crow for dinner....lol, definitely a number of historical sources were wrong -thanks for confirming.
I kinda heard the same thing years ago about the H/O but I checked the sheet and the VIN starts with 344 which is a 442 VIN. I used to know off hand what the cutlass and F85 VINs were but I forgot now. I had a book that has the whole history of the 442. I own a '69. And I wouldn't trade it for the world. Rebuilt the engine myself. Too many memories.
What a tornado of white smoke from the Olds @7:06
3:73 was the big rear up until towards 1981 if you happen to get a car that has one!!
evenly matched and holeshots rule in those races
Yes yea yes thank youuuuu
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I'll take either
Few people know that when Hurst initially went to GM with the intent to build a car that GM wouldn’t build, they wanted to build a Pontiac Firebird with a 428HO for 1968. GM wouldn’t allow it and talked them into the Hurst Olds. GM had a 400CI limit in the mid sized cars that was dropped for 1970. They also had the same restriction for the F bodies until 1971. GM was supposed to ship the 442 with the Olds 400 installed and was supposed to ship the 455 separately. It was proven many years later that GM broke their own rule and put the 455 in the 442 for Hurst on the assembly line. Also Oldsmobile was supposed to get a version of the F body but John DeLorean’s insistence that the Firebird would be superior to the Camaro caused too many delays and ate up too much of the budget.
A goin Jessie.
To cars and Zebras: Can you link the information on the W45 and W46?
I’m writing before watching the video. Trans Am has BIG engine, min 427, probably a 454. But The Olds performance midsize cars had min. 350 and a hurst at least 400, and some start in’ in ‘68 had a4-5-4! And compression was higher than 72, so the ‘68 could take it, UNLESS.. the 72’s
Compression was modified.
Oldsmobile made 455s Chevy 454.
Your a little off on your Engines, was No 427 for Pontiacs, and 454 was a Chevrolet Engine. Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs all made there own 455 and 350 engines.
Pound for Pound the TA is the victor. Low compression and was walking that Monster down with those 3.73 gears.
The Pontiac Engines actually ran very well Compared to other manufacturer's when the Compression Ratios started to Drop in 71, 72, 73.
The camshaft (408 lift) used in the 455 HO was also small compared to what was in that Olds
I'd like to see the Olds race a 70 Buick GS455, a battle of the torqe monsters.
Edge to the Buick!
The Buick Stage 1 was a Beast, one Bad Ass 455 !
Why not show two of the same year model? Between 68 and 72 there was a lot of compression loss
Bud Lindeman would be proud.
Beyond the 1/4 mile the Trans Am would have left the Olds in the dust!
Thats where you need a 454 with big valve open chamber heads.
@@cannarris I have a 69 Camaro with a flat top 454 and 69 396 closed chamber small port heads a good setup for low end torque
Close race... check out the MPH on the Pontiac.
The super low production number of the 72' Trans Am 455 because of UAW strike, must not include regular Trans Am w/ 400 ci, there must have been a lot more of those, right?
In 1972, the 455 HO was the only engine available in the TA.
@@1972Ventura455ho Oh, ok. In the late 80's a friend had two 73' Trans Ams; Red 400ci with auto (Buffalo, N.Y. rust bucket) then Silver Trans AM 4-speed, garage kept low mileage survivor car excellent condition.
@@jameskish4044 I'm pretty sure the Trans Am in 1973 still had the 455 as the standard engine. There were 2 versions, the regular 455 with 250 HP and the SD455 with 310 HP. Strange enough in 1974, they added the 400 as the standard engine and still offered the 455 in the 2 versions again. My first TA was a black 76 with an anemic 400, 185 HP. There was also a 455 available with 200 HP and only came in a 4 speed manual. I would own 4 of them, the 76, 2-79s both Trans Ams and an 89 Formula 350 which was considerably faster than the other 3. Fun days.
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It’s so interesting the different looks of the cars. The Pontiac looks like it just rolled off of the showroom. The Olds looks like showroom took it out to the back alley and mugged it….repeatedly….
Want to see a 72 to 74 cuda.. usually only see the 70 to 71
Gotta have someone bring one first!
@@CarsAndZebras I would think with years of racing at this facility! someone b would of brought one to the races?
@@CarsAndZebras ill be waiting for it.. its due
I’ve been going for over 7 years and I don’t think I’ve seen a 1972-74 just yet. There’s always next year!
@@CarsAndZebras looking forward to it.
THE TRANS AM IS A LOT FASTER THAN I THOUGHT..... I'LL TAKE ONE IN BLUE .....
The red inner fenders were actually plastic, they were available on a few different cars
The High Performance Olds Engines usually got em, W-30,s and such.
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 ya I even saw em on a restored 72 chevelle original SS 402 car a while back
I’m surprised the Trans Am was that quick in 1972 they really started chopping the horsepower in 71 by72 most of the hp was gone a very sad time for car enthusiast
71 and 72 HO engines were identical..hp ratings changed in 72...the 71 was rated 335 hp,the 72 300hp bug with the rating changed...same hp both years
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guy in the ta. was sleeping,
CR killed the poncho, both great cars. Drove and wrenched on both.
The Olds kind of reminds me when back in the day fast cars were not pretty cars. Now days racing cars look like show cars.
You should see my cars. They aren't pretty ..... they arent fast neither compared to today's standards but my regal will be one day
Back in the day GM had 5 divisions most dealers back then sold Chevrolets and Oldsmobiles at the same dealerships and Pontiac and Buick at the same dealerships Cadillac had there own dealership if you wanted something more expensive and luxurious looking a Chevrolets they had Oldsmobile same with Pontiac if wanting something more expensive and luxurious they had Buick Chevrolet and Pontiac was more performance orientated with Camaro and Firebird for younger people and Oldsmobile and Buick was more of a gentleman's or older more sophisticated personal luxury car brand but they all had performance models except Cadillac was the top of the line luxury brand
😄😄😄. Makes my pants tight 👖😬 💥💥💥.
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When will we see your chevelle on the drag strip?
Ha, never. Prices are crazy high so I sold it.
Trans am is like a beautiful girl who just needs to lose a few pounds in order to score
Pontiac vS. Oldsmobile!a I'm not a fan of either!! But 390hp was the factory rated 70 W30 set up i believe in 455!! But all the Old's fanatics might know if this olds has the 70 output!!
1970 OLDS 442 WAS RATED AT 365 HP AND 500 FT # OF TORQUE AT 3200 RPM . AND THE 1970 OLDS 442 W30 WAS RATED AT 370 HP AND 500FT # OF TORQUE AT 3600 RPM . AND THE 1970 OLDS TORNADO GT 455 W34 WAS RATED AT 400 HP AND 500 FT # OF TORQUE AT 3200 RPM. SO BASICALLY THE SAME MOTOR IN THE TORNADO WAS RATED HIGHER HP THAN THE BASE 442 WITH THE SAME MOTOR . OLDS BULLSHXTED ABOUT THE REAL HP AND TORQUE NUMBERS .
I believe it was rated at 370 hp gross. Different heads though. C heads on 442s. Not sure off hand on W30 which I think could have been F heads.
@@daless3526 1970 BASE MODEL 442 455 365 HP HAD E HEADS AND THE 1970 442 W 30 370 HP HAD F HEADS . THE 1970 TORNADO GT 455 HAD E HEADS AND WAS RATED AT 400 HP.
The TA driver liked getting treed.
Nearly impossible to beat the 0.001 reaction time posted by the Olds driver in the first round. The T/A driver did just fine off the line.
Let's see with less horsepower,less torque, less compression more weight including heavy paint job,3.42 gears the Pontiac should get blown away.Nope I will still take the Pontiac
No MOPAR..... Hmmmmmmm..... Olds!
They would have lost.
Mopar Don't Go Far !!!
This car with driver weighs 4978 pounds💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩