The Little Plane War
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I love it when a company tries to screw their competitor however it totally backfires and makes the problem twice as bad.
The cobra effect in industries.
Yeah, good old karma..!
boeing: no
airbus: YEEEEEESSSSS
BBD: congratulations boeing, you played yourself
@@ajinkyamehere5365
(I’m aware this was from a year ago)
If you think about it, it really is not karma. Bombardier, as stated in the video, was breaking a law. I’m a fan of Bombardier, but I can’t justify their decision to do so. It was really only fair that the US department of commerce put that 300% tariff on Bombardier. I don’t know laws very well, but even I can say that breaking a law results in consequence.
Bombardier no longer makes commercial planes so I mean...
Boeing: you cant defeat me!
Bombardier: I know but he can
*Airbus enters the room*
Airbus use common sense
It’s very effective
lolz
I love Boeing but airbus is more modern so airbus might win
Cessna: Hey guys....
@@alstonh.203 Airbus said it will manufacturer it in Alabama. Great news.
Boeing: Let's screw over a minor manufacturer and literally design planes that drop out of the air
Uh-huh? Those F-15s and F-18s just "drop out of the sky!" Those hundreds of 737s that fly multiple flights every day just drop out of the air? Nope, not with U.S. trained pilots who know how to handle a "runaway trim" issue if ever confronted. Ergo, I sugget you do some homework before making moronic venting statements. (Ps. Check out the highly detailed story of the Ethiopian and Indonesian 737Max accidents in the NYT Magazine from three weeks ago, and revisit your thought process....if any).
@@crsvetteii1753 Another 'merican beating their chest. Seriously, it is getting very old. You don't see the CSeries A220's plowing into the ground like the 737 Max killing 346 people in a few months.
Michael500ca I think his main problem is that he's trying to compare smaller fighter jets to these passenger jets. Also he still thinks the pilots are at fault.
-An American trying to make amends for ignorant people, not just Americans
@@crsvetteii1753 If this is just a trivial training matter (as you suggest in your comment) why are they still grounded?
The 737 max attempt to prolong life of the 737 has some major design issues , the larger engines and more forward placement have changed almost all the aerodynamic properties of the aircraft ,leading Boeing to "fudge" the feel of the aircraft via software in an attempt to avoid the necessity of pilot re qualification.
in engineering terms a "cludge" something that should never be done in aviation.
recent e=mails show Boeing knew this before the two crashes.
They gave false information to FAA at time of certification ,which only became apparent after the Lion Air crash regarding the operation of the MCAS system.
@@crsvetteii1753 Boeing literally designed and built a new aircraft and sold it to numerous companies saying that it was basically the same 737 but only more efficient, without telling anyone about the MCAS system. It's not a "runaway trim" issue, you are fighting against the whole plane system that's trying to bring the plane down. Lies have a cost, and in this case that cost was the lives of 346 people.
All this, while Boeing was hiding MCAS on its 737 MAX....
That’s what I was thinking. Boeing is a good company but recently they have made some really bad decisions.
Maybe it's all about making money...……….@@emmaherron5121
HOW DARE YOU!
David Wright of course it’s about making money lol.. if it isn’t then the bankrupt.. same with every other aircraft manufacturer, so stop trying to make that sound like a bad thing lel..
@Ron F MCAS may crash any second
Airbus literally just came into the game out of nowhere and slapped Boeing in the face lol.
I figuratively lose my mind every time someone misuses "literally."
fassay lose* not loose.
And they did *literally* just come out of nowhere and give Boeing a complete fuckturn.
@@callmebongos well played . 🍻
fassay well too bad
@@fassay "literally" has, quite literally (excuse the pun!) been used to mean "figuratively" for around 300 years now.
Boeing finally lost the case against Bombardier on January 26th 2018. The 300% tax was abolished and the airplanes will be manufactured near Montreal.
Thanks was looking for this info in the comments! :)
Great news and thx for the research.
So the real winner here is Airbus who basically got that 50.1% participation for near nothing because Bombardier thought they could use its plant in Mobile.
Paulo Alexandre Not really, Airbus has the marketing power that Bombardier could never have, and will also will help lower parts costs from suppliers also.
We’ll see in 5-10yrs how this really plays out.
I should get a tax break for having the government of CANADA funding billions into Bombardier
Bombardier: "MAKE'S C SERIES"
Boeing: imabout to end this whole mans caree-
Airbus: im gonna stop you right there
Memeception
hey there you just made a crossover meme
me: *reads comment as my pop works for boeing*
also me out loud: yessss airbus is so much better cuz its nice..
787-9 I AM PART OF BOEING BUT I AM NOT A LITTLE PLANE SO DONT FIGHT OR ELSE...
Boeing 737 max uhoh
787-9 I LIKE YA CUT G
Airbus in 2020: I will buy up your share HAHAHA
"737 is a fundamentally different plane". *crashes
the earlier 737s is a really good aircraft, only the 737MAX was extremely flawed and sketchy.
@@spiciestofspices9286 That's very true. Everything before and including 737-900 was a gem... this really does illustrate Boeing's fall from grace.
That’s just the max
@@spiciestofspices9286 NG is a good workhorse.
@@spiciestofspices9286 Everything Boeing made before they merged with McDonnell Douglas was fantastic. McDonnell Douglas destroyed Boeing.
Bombardier is a really fun word to say
yeaahh bhoiiii~
Its french for bomber right?
@@morriskaller3549 It is
If only Americans could pronounce foreign words anything approaching the correct form.
Giv ya meat a good ole rub! Hehe... hot 'n' spycie meeat *H E H E B W O I*
Americans Companies: We don't want the government messing with the free market.
Also American Companies: We do want the government messing with the free market when it suits us.
you nailed it
@The But 300% tariffs? 80% would do.
The thing this video doesn't stress enough is that what Bombardier is doing is 100% illegal and a breach of international treaty.
That’s every company not just American ones.
American Companies: Long term success
European companies: Failure and labor strikes weekly.
The c series was about to end the 737 Max’s whole career but then it did the job itself
They were in no way competitors. The Boeing 737 MAX is also one the safest aircraft now.
@@user-dc5xi4nt3b Would rather get on any airbus plane than boeing.... especially the MAX
@@user-dc5xi4nt3b The 737 MAX is indeed the safest in the world right now. Because it's grounded...
I mean honestly think about it of Boeing didn't stop the a220 so many lives could have been saved because they would by this thing instead of the 737
@@user-dc5xi4nt3b even if it was safe the reputation for that plane is ruined no one wants to step foot on those things I have even been on 737-800 and people didn't want to get in the 737 line has just been ruined
Boeing is that kid who won’t accept a loss, and when someone beats them at their own game they run crying to mom
That's what Trump is doing on a global scale. Bullying China into buying their overpriced beans and antagonizing Iran for no good reason.
@@bananian exactly
Indeed.
@@bananian China deserves it for the "great leap forward" and the Tianamen square massacre.
@@bananian nice lie and bull crap
I love how much this guy loves planes.
blueferret98 same
I think he is theflightchanne
Me too. Aviation is awesome
Yep
Finally, a happy ending in the Canadian aviation industry...
Abigail Shapiro Respecter rip avro arrow
Mexico: XD
A thought for the avro arrow indeed...
About that…
Thanks Airbus, for saving the CSeries! Many people will be able to work because of this.
I was questioning myself “Since when did I post on this video” 😂
@@Racko. Lol! Dat profile pic...
😂
Europe loves Canada. The US not so much :)
@@HellStr82 You mean the UK and France, the rest of Europe would never have helped us
@5:23 "but Delta itself has said they didn't want the 737s". Well played Delta, well played.
The US International Trade Commission voted in Favor of Bombardier Today!!! The vote effectively nullifies the 299.45% tariff proposed by the Department of Commerce in October
Owen Simonsen that’s awesome!
Owen Simonsen Weeeyyy long live the C Series!!!
Excellent - they will now be made in the cool city of Montréal. Haaa Montréal ... The center on the world.
turbofan ct - You mean long live the A220! 😋
Owen Simonsen so bombardier shouldn’t have given airbus 48% of the plane to them?
I love how whenever he makes a plane video everyone talks about how much he loves planes, but whenever he does something else everyone talks about "where's the planes?"
Unless it's a train video, then people don't worry about it not being about planes 😊
Idk man I like all of it, he brings an economic perspective to each topic and that's rare to find anywhere on CZcams.
Jason Hamilton I know right!
We, the subscribers, love the channel’s airplane videos for the fetish behind it.
Boeing has become a major embarrassment to the US.
Seems to be a contest going on who can be the biggest embarrassment atm.
Bombardier : Hold my beer
And yet during the pandemic it is very successful, and safe.
Also love their space program.... ho wait they dont yet
WAHHHHHHHH DIFFERNET COMPANY MAKE BETTER PLANE GOVENRT
Bombardier: *makes airplane*
Boeing: I'm about to end this mans whole career
Airbus: I'm about to end this mans whole career
UPDATE: Airbus rebranded the CSeries, now calling it the Airbus A220.
I actually flew on the plane on a domestic flight, never knew it was actually a CSERIES plane.
Noel Strüning I hate that part
Still it's the same aircraft
Swiss still call it the Bombardier C-series
Horus Falco because that’s what they bought. Before this airbus thing.
Well done Boeing! Successfully punched yourself in the balls.
Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.Stop hitting yourself.Stop hitting yourself.
not the first time. the 777 release killed the 747 passenger market.
Mark Moreiras yep! I still have no idea why Boeing even bothered with the 747-8, I mean it has sold horribly. Horribly.
777 is too good of a plane.
namefinder
Airbus just spit in the face of one of their biggest customer China... Boeing is laughing all the way to bank with this Airbus .self inflicted wound to their China market share.... btw Boeing is in China atm with Trump to sell more planes...
Airbus sell planes to the Chinese government own company they complete with Boeing, what to stop China from buying Boeing plane over Airbus if they feel they are wrong by Airbus.... what if China buy only boeing 737 instead of the a320 here a quote from some sale of Airbus in China "Airbus SE won orders from China to supply 140 single-aisle and wide-body jets worth $22 billion at list prices and said it’s in talks to sell more A380 superjumbos as the Asian nation is set to become the world’s largest aviation market" what if China see this merger as a slap ie bias against Chinese company, they could blacklist Airbus product...This deal is a very risky deal for Airbus in my opinion... here is another quote about boeing sale in China "Boeing Co. has agreed on terms to sell 300 planes to China"
China is imo the biggest battle ground between Boeing and Airbus... doing anything that would make them feel slighted is bad business...
Boeing: "say goodbye to the world"
C series: "what?! Haha say hello to my friend "
Boeing: " nani?"
"-airbus joined the game-"
burn delta straight up said “nah we don want ur 737”
I have recently flown with SWISS in one of the Bombardiers. They are are some amazing planes, and really comfortable.
If there is an airplane, I want to fly at one time, it's the c-series. Or the airbus a220, as they are called now.
Unfortunately you’re gonna probably gonna experience the bombardier version less then the airbus variant. As they have decided to sell everything, including their factories to airbus in order to recoup their debt.
@@Zulfburht Wait, are they different versions? I thought they just rebranded the name.
Andres Olmos nope, bombardier has sold its plane to Airbus. They no longer have a foot in the commercial planes market. Due to the bs Boeing pulled. They were unable to sell the planes and pay off their debt.
@@Zulfburht But I mean, has airbus made a new variant of the plane or just bought everything and changed the name?
300% tariff on a product exploring new market just doesn't make sense at all. It sounds like some sort of shady business going on between Boeing and US Department of Commerce.
why is that a problem?
Definitely.
than other countries should probably do the same to Boeing with their subsidies
I want to point out that the 717 was not a commercial failure, but rather the end of an era for the MD80 series
I am so happy for the c series. What a beautiful plane.
I never click a video so fast as when you post about planes
His plane videos are really good.
ikr
Rehab 737 likes 🤔🤔🤔
4:20 it was at this moment that Bombardier knew, they fucked up.
6:35 It was at this moment that Boeing knew, they fucked up.
When keeping it real goes wrong!
Canadian should be proud of A220/CSeries. This is what a well-engineered plane should look like (vs that 737Max crap). Pilot, passenger, airlines all love it. Lots of potential A220, Airbus just increase payload and range without doing major modification.
We’re better and they know it. That’s why the Americans keep shutting down our aviation industry
*Airbus appears*
Boeing: “Why do I hear boss music?
From someone in Alabama, the new Airbus factory is a godsend for the economy.
God had nothing To do with it!
Airbus decided to move there...
@martin joseph Airbus is a European Venture... The CEO is actually a German.
Carl Fichtner actually God emailed Airbus and said go to Alabama
Well, I hope y'all invest that money in Huntsville, instead of sending it off to Roy Moore.
Actually, Boeing tried with the 737-600 and failed, to say that Boeing "marketed" the 717 is laughable. Boeing, essentially, did what Airbus has just done, merged with another manufacturer, McDonnell Douglas in this case, to get an already developed aircraft, in this case the C-17. In addition it also found itself saddled with another already completed aircraft, the MD-95, which had enough orders that they couldn't just cancel them. Their problem was it was also competing directly with their 737-600 and -700's. So they changed it's name to 717-200 and agreed to fulfill the orders, and gave it some token advertising. The vast majority of the 717's built were either already ordered as the MD-95 or were options on the same orders. This is the whole reason Delta went with the C-Series, there are only so many 717's and Boeing refuses to build more. So they had to find something in that size category.
So basically, ALL of what you talked about with Boeing, is indeed it's own fault. They took a plane that would be dominating the so-called "regional market" and ran it into the ground out of pure spite, now that a worthy successor to that plane has shown up, they try to use their influence to get it locked out of the US market and it has backfired spectacularly.
Boeing took control of McDonnell Douglas renamed their product, disband his engineering force, and slowly put to death the Line. Airbus will do the same with the CSeries despite is a better product. No reason for Europeans to developed the CS500, CS700 and CS900 (150, 170 and 190 passenger) versions. Technology just took a 50 years push back, Canadian Passenger Manufacturing got stagnated on what ever has, and Canadian Passenger Aircraft Development disapear in a blink of an eye.
It sad that Boeing ended the production and developement of B717. MD-95/B717 was very good reliable work horse. If I recall right, it was better than B737-600 and A318 with same amounth of passengers on 500-1000 nm missions when looking cost to operate. But I believe Boing had no real interest to build it nor really offer. They wanted to force SAS and Westjet etc. to buy 737-600 models.
It simply bought mdd to kill it off, like most takeovers.
That simply is the only legal route to monopoly, and once you are big enough nobody is going to say no to you anyway. Just threatnen to leave and you get anything you want.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 Boeing bought McDD because they lost the bid for the new Tactical Airlifter to them, so they bought the company to gain the contract and produce the C-17. Having a complete monopoly in the US airliner market was just the icing on the cake.
Boeing didn't "refuse" to build more 717s. It just could not compete against the Embraer E-Jet, especially after the market took a hit after 9/11.
Airbus : hi boeing , i need to tell you something
Boeing : what
Bombardier : prepare for trouble
Boeing : how cu-
Airbus : *and make it double*
I love how airbus just came outta nowhere and was like “hey buddy, I see your having a hard time. I’ll help watch Boeing burn to the ground.”
Thank god you uploaded another plane video, I don’t think you do enough of them. Jk love you.
I agree!
wtf, why do i have 1k likes??
Superposition you were early comment that wasn't first.
Superposition I like the plane vids
i wouldnt mind if every video was a plane video
80% to 300%? What kind of damn negotiation were they doing?
“80%”
“Too high”
“We make your aircraft”
“Sounds good 300%. Thank you for telling us about this matter”!
RBearLion it was trumps doing while the NAFTA talks. To bully canada into reconsidering NAFTA negotiations
Airliners are almost never sold at list price, the $80M figure Wendover mentioned, so they're taxed at sale price. 300% of $20M is $60M. $60M + $20M = $80M.
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like ... are their toddlers making these robust calls?
Looks like the rest of us need to penalise Being by putting 300% taffis on there aircraft, or insist that they are build in the purchasing country too -
welcome to TRUMPenomics. its because your country is ran by a child and he is pushing his aggressive trader agenda. it resulted in Boeing Getting ass fucked. and now canada and britain will possibly forgo buying Boeing Fighter jets. deals worth many billions. I would say it wasnt worth it for boeing to try and suppress a good airplane.
Just worked on a brand new delta CS100/A220 have to say it is a remarkable plane. From the airframe to the engines, very well built.
It's a shame this video didn't mention the fact that the C series is extremely quiet. Not to mention extremely fuel efficient. To put it in context: the largest business jets consume around 450 gph. The c series with up to 130 passengers, 680 gph!
Boeing complaining about subsidies sure is a pot calling the kettle black moment.
USA the land of free market! Just a small 300% taxes on competing imports...
DirtyOldJoe 300% taxes to make up for bombardiers illegal plane dumping into US markets.
The reason for the tariff was for selling below cost, not specifically about subsidies. I fully expect the EU does similiar things to protect AirBus (which does not make any side in this right).
Yeah, it is what happens when you rent seek instead of trying to compete, but all of the airplane manufacturer's are crony capitalist enterprises.
Do you understand what is trading agreement?
Why should price dumping be illegal in a free market?
Airbus: *laughs in French*
Airbus laughs in French, English, German and Spanish. European collaboration at its best
@@osasunaitor Amen!
@@osasunaitor Dutch too
Bombardier: Makes good plane
Boeing: *sues Bomardier*
Airbus: Hello gamers
You sure love planes
Plane fetish
We all do! #avgeek
Mmmm. What's not to love?
no... WE sure love planes.
Hell yeah!
Planeover productions!
The Hero we all wanted
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Crony capitalism at its best. I’m becoming less and less of a Boeing fan.
They can go fuck themselves
Same
Just a reminder that Airbus won the competition to sell new tankers to the USAF, so Boeing filed a rather weak lawsuit claiming the procurement process was unfair, "won", and now they're selling the new tankers. Only thing is these new Boeing tankers have problems and are delivered to the air force full of pieces and trash inside the wings and tanks
Yeah.
Just.
hands down the best looking airliner out there. period.
It's not opposite day, wrong?
Congratulations Boeing
You played yourself...
Chrischi4598 haha yeah its so funny
Boeing is probably angry, because they may have had an earlier opportunity to link up with Bombardier - but the deal fell through. My take on it. Then they got caught with their pants down when Airbus & Bombardier linked up. Prior to the Airbus deal, Airbus made funny comments about the CSeries -- now post-merger they are praising it and taking advantage of this badly-needed niche in their portfolio. Delta, Baltic, and Swiss seem to love this aircraft (crew and passengers).
Or played with themselves!
@@terrygelinas4593 But now Boeing is playing politics, trying to prevent the building of A220's in the US. Because US politicians are in Boeing's pocket, the US protects its defence contractors.
The 737 is fat, heavy, old and didn't offer the right product. Boeing is deeply corrupt.
Yeh . . . Boeing really dropped the bal on that one. They picked a fight with a company that really wasn't a threat to them and wound up handing their biggest rivals an open goal . . . Well done Boeing, great economic sense there!
Glad to see Airbus and Bombardier partnering up, they both bring the best design ethos' in the industry. Hopefully they'll improve each others designs further. The C series, for example, boasts the only cockpit design I've ever seen that I would argue beats the basic airbus cockpit layout.
Anthony Holroyd
Boeing did what was best for Boeing. The real bad guys here us the corrupt Commerce Department for going along with the tarrif that then precipateted the Airbus action.
The americans did the similar thing to destroy Concorde as the usa WAS INCAPABLE OF PRODUCING an Sst.Just like american cars -TARTED UP TIN CANS compared to European cars.Wait 10 yrs &the usa will become an OBVIOUSLY lazy INSANELY ABARICIOUS slothful deceitful nation that nobody will trust.The self proclaimed policeman of the world will become the arsehole of the world.Watch it americans -your arms will soon become flippers!
@@arunseigell7361 calm down lad
Was trump on boeings board at the time by any chance?
Sounds a lot like current usa foreign policy lol.
This is the reason why I hate boeing and LOVE Airbus!
The Bombardier C Series is an amazing jet to fly with. It was really easy to relaxen in it on my flight with to Switzerland.
It’s now marketed as the airbus A-220
The war just got even more serious, Canada basically just cancelled an order of 18 Super Hornets manufactured by Boeing because the company cause ''economical harm'' to Canada. The plane has a value of 70 million, which means Boeing just lost about 1.3 billions dollars in potential sales.
Furthermore there is a possibility that Delta will buy 200 Airbus A321 next week instead of B737 Max 10.
Lol the Canadian government rather buy use f18 from Australia then Boeing.
OGIAFR
Canada should restart the Arrow project, the Arrow for the 21st century. Event the Arrow from the 50's is on par to most planes these days... Also they should then buy out Boeing once they have full dominance of the western military fighter market, and then produce C series in the US in the former Boeing plants!
And then why don't we set fire to the Whitehouse again? (it's an effing joke people)
Congratulations Boeing, you just played yourself
Haha! Yup. Don't mess with Canadians and Europeans. You would think they would have learned after all these years. We have burned their White House, we tricked them to back off by making the illusion that we had more people, we gained more land in D-Day than anyone else, and more.
pbilk1 and you guys have more terror attacks then anywhere in the world
1 like of your comment = 1 of my tears
Anthony Molina is that a joke? Just because you’re ignorant and don’t follow international news, doesn’t mean that terror attacks happen way more in Africa and the Middle East, btw have you not followed your own countries news over the past two weeks ?
Implying that a new source is a good statistical analysis media where there is no profit to be made...
How the CEO at Boeing still has a job amazes me. With his lack of judgement regarding both bombardier and the 737 max you would think they'd fire his ass
He is friends with Trump?
@@ricardosoto5770 Don't be ridiculous. We are talking business here. Being friends with the current president is not really a deciding factor.
Now he doesn't 😆
Update: They did.
up date he got fired
I truly love to fly with the CS100 and CS300! It's an amazing plane. It flies absolutely stable, has good legroom, is very silent, good air conditioning. And with the home-airport ZRH I can even jump in the Swiss-Business lounge upfront flights to get a decent meal cooked by a chef in front of me.
I'd love to see this guy buy a ticket and tell the travel agent what it should cost...
- [Forced fake smile] "That's nice dear... NEXT!"
I'm a travel agent and a massive av geek, love telling people about their flights aircraft lol ;)
Screw Boeing. Recently flew CS300 with airBaltic, it really is quite comfy. airBaltic has announced they will buy up to 60 more
@emilz85 Fkya Boeing is better! The airline probaly put in more comfy seats!
They would do that deal all day long, now they get rid of COS, and will sell double the amount of planes. How is that not a win win?
The plane has been rebranded now and it is in the US as the airbus a220
@@vinkhoo1 Yeah, Boeing is so good that their planes fall out of the sky
@@vinkhoo1 The freaking Boeing 737 MAX crashed. CS300 is better.
Bombardier looks and sounds sexier ☝🏻Airbus is kicking arse lately.
It is so comfy plane. I regularly fly from Geneva to Prague on Swiss C300 and it is spacious, with very luminous cabin thanks to large windows, and a way quieter than A320. Love it.
That kind of hurts. Canada really could have used the aerospace jobs.
Cinnamanster A Gulfstream, Boeing, Embraer, HondaJet, and MRJ has poached many Bombardier engineers (myself included)
nahhhh wichita needs em
I'm hoping airbus teaches them how to deliver on time.
Trudeau's policy to accept more refugees will bring more jobs to canada. So dont worry.
but ‘MURICA
I'm Québécois and it's very nice to see a video talking about Bombardier. The company and his C Series are really big economic issues here. There are dozens of thousands jobs at stake. That's why we couldn't believe how far Trump went with the 300% tax when they announced it last month.
Vive le Québec !
Because of illegal plane dumping by bombardier...
Nate Sobol funny that - in other markets it's called a loss leader: you sell the first product at a loss to get it user tested and then make the profit later, profit which covers the initial loss.
Plane dumping sounds more like they're trying to shift stock that won't sell as opposed to having to scrap it.
I bet this is done by all smaller companies entering a market with a competitor that has almost a monopoly in all sectors of business. Give a taster to entice the consumer to buy the product at full price once it is proven. Ok, with planes the costs are much higher, but the principle is still the same.
Yes, but it's only illegal because it's a foreign manufacturer. Boeing dumps product into the US airline market all the time, but because they're an American manufacturer it's perfectly 'legal'.
I like the plane - flew it with Swiss twice and it was very comfortable and quiet. Good job, Bombardier.
Bombardier: makes airplane
Boeing: I'm about to end this mans whole career
Airbus- Nahh I'm about to make this whole man's career.
@6:14 American double standards in play again.
Let's not forget the cozy relationship between the FAA and Boeing that was shamelessly displayed following the two 737-Max crashes.
The whole world grounded the planes while the FAA insisted they were safe to fly for days!
@Deming Joe FYI, I'm an American too. Agreed.
Turks can't even do that
@@ashokbobade9257 Do what exactly Turkophobe?
PROBLEM, Boeing are now trying to blame Ethiopian Pilots BECAUSE? they were not trained to use the "secret" MCAS because the airline didn't pay thousands of dollars to have a working warning light on a system that they didn't know was there. Q. BOEING = GUILTY OF HOMICIDE?
Design a Fawlty plane then it is "your fault". Boeings lawyers are FRIT that without these wild allegations the company is BANKRUPT! Sell, Sell, Sell before it is too late. Just a friendly warning.
@Constellation 2023 That cozy relationship you mention hasn’t been “displayed”, it is merely speculation published by the media, the people who are supposed to be informing us. But who informs the informers? On most technical or other complex issues the media don’t even have enough competence to vet their sources. As a result we’ve had baggage handlers being asked if they believe the 737 MAX is safe, an aircraft mechanic giving a thesis on how redundancy should be designed into an airplane system, financial investment advisors stating that an Angle of Attack indication is essential for pilots, and labor union leaders demanding that pilots get simulator training for an airplane that handles exactly the same as the airplane they are already trained for and for a system that the pilots do not turn on, cannot shut off, cannot immediately discern when it fails (and don’t need to), and-like many other similar “systems”-aren’t even aware of its existence. Even pilots have chimed in on how to design and certify airplanes. That’s like asking any driver on the street for their expertise on where to route the fuel lines on a car or how much wheel caster should be designed into the car’s steering system. And the input from that wild cadre of “aviation insiders” are published by the media as fact. There *IS* such a thing as “fake news” you know.
You seem to be implying that the whole world grounded their fleet of 737 MAX because they had pinpointed something wrong on the airplane. They didn’t. They grounded them out of ignorance-not knowing for sure what caused the crashes, and with growing public pressure instigated by the media, they resorted to grounding them out of caution until they knew for sure. It had seemed from the Lion Air preliminary report that the pilots were inadequately trained. That’s unnerving to those who put their life in someone else’s hands every time they travel by air. The report also indicated that the flight crew of the penultimate flight handled identical circumstances and landed at their destination, but any reassurance air travelers may have got from that evaporated a few months later when it was discovered that those pilots were also not trained on basics and would have crashed if not for the serendipitous presence of another airline’s properly trained pilot on the flight deck. Then the Ethiopian crash. TWO accidents in a row, BOTH caused by airlines not adequately training their pilots..?!! It’s understandable that air travelers would refuse to consider that scenario to preserve their sanity. But the media hid all the facts related to pilot training-because otherwise they wouldn’t have a story of big bad evil corporate executives and their conspiracies with the government.
Boeing: Ha that will stop em
Bombardier: Somebody hold my beer
Airbus : modern problems require modern solutions
More like Boeing problem require Airbus Solutions xD
*Somebody hold my maple syrup
@@branting2 Maple syrup is shit.
@@WhiteSupreme NO! TO THE DUMMY CORNER!
@@lucasrincon671 Fuck off kid.
I flew with this plane from Zurich to London Heathrow, and this Bombardier is just so awesome and so comfortable
Boeing: Grins at the 300% tariff on the C-Series.
Airbus: Joins Bombardier in the C-Series aircraft causing a loss for Boeing.
Boeing: *You weren't supposed to do that*
I recently flew on one of the AirBaltic CS300. It's a freaking awesome plane, 737-800 and A320 fucking suck in comparison
Completely agree, the AirBaltic CS300 was the best plane I have ever been on.
i'm going in 1 week exactly! i went on the swiss cs100. was awesome. i can't wait :)
What did you enjoy about? Sadly even though produced in Canada none of our airlines have began flying them yet.
I liked this comment just because it wasn't about him making another plane video.
The 737-800 was released in 2006, you should be comparing the CS300 to the 737-900ER or 737-MAX
Hot off the press, the 300% tariff has been lifted on the C series (as of the day of commenting)
Airbus has renamed the C series the A220
I love this, Boeing is a state owned business basically. Airbus did it for their own reasons but yeah Boeing needs to learn its a blast from the past and could not survive on its own.
Beoing CEO after Airbus takeover announced: "Oh shit!" lol
I flew a C 320 plane from Zürich to London City. The whole cabin resembled business-class style. And the Swiss service was great - not to mention the delicious chocolate! Despite the 2/3 abreast seating it offered enough space and the overhead compartments werde way larger than in the Embraer 195. It would be great if more of these aircraft flew. Passengers will love them.
You meant the C 100
I'm sure he meant the C 100 but you can get an A 318 into London City AND fly transatlantic on it. Boeing just doesn't have a plane that can do that.
pasoundman ever heard of the 757 which can reach farther into Europe while flying out of New York? Airbus does not have a plane that can do that.
No - I meant the 300 series
The 757's not been made for ages. I bet Airbus DOES have something comparable. A 757 can't fly out of London City (LCY) Airport anyway. You need STOL capability and more.
at the end of the day, Boeing ended up with a bigger problem than what it started with...
A220 is my favourite short haul plane always taking it out from Geneva
bombardier: I can defeat you
boeing: you can’t defeat me-
airbus: *hold my beer*
Good for Bombardier! It sucks they had to hand 50% to Airbus for free, but at least it's a huge slap in the face for Boeing. Boeing is acting childish if you can't compete, design your own plane for those kinds of ranges and then you can argue. They are also being very selfish, as they have received even more money from the US Government, then Bombardier received for the CSeries.
It might actually have made good business sense; they're probably going to make close to or more than double the sales with Airbus' help so it doesn't matter if they keep only half the profits of that plane. Airbus is going to push Bombardier's plane as their new small aircraft and they've got a bigger sales force.
Aeroponz It is straight up illegal to sell planes in the US from another country for below the cost to make the plane. This is for good reason too, to not undercut the US market. This really has little to do with subsidies. By the way, none of boeings commerical aircraft are subsidized by the government. Only their military aircraft are. So it's not even relevant.
All of Boeing is subsidized by the US government. Boeing shifts its risk and capital and revenues between divisions, so its heavily grotesquely subsidized military division essentially subsidizes the commercial planes. Plus local states and cities subsidize and give tax breaks to the Boeing plants and feeder companies. Boeing has not a leg to stand on in whining about Bombardier. The US consumer has reason to complain about dumping, but definitely not also-guilty Boeing.
Planes and Bikes Military aircraft are incredibly expensive to develop. They have very little money, if any, from subsidies to use on their commercial aircraft. Boeing also doesn't sell planes below manufacturing costs for a loss, so yes they have every right to complain. At the end of the day that's what this is about. And big companies almost always get subsidies from cities and states, because those companies provide many jobs and revenue for the state which benefits the state. Right now Amazon is looking for another city to put a distribution center. Many cities are competing for this, offering subsidies to encourage Amazon to choose their city. That's how business works.
Boeing is paid fat profits to make military.. and as a result they gain huge economic scale giving them a huge subsidized leg up compared to small companies like BBD.
1 year later:
Entire Production of CSeries. **exists**
Airbus: It's Free Real Estate
Update: Bombardier sold the Cseries programme completely. It is now 75% owned by Airbus with 25% remaining with Quebec (up from its 19% stake before the sale). The Cseries is now an Airbus product, thus it has been integrated into their naming scheme as the A220.
In the meantime, Boeing realised the shortcoming in their portfolio and acquired an 80% share of Embraer's commercial segment selling the E-Jet.
Also, the Cseries/A220 does in fact compete with Airbus's smaller A320 variants, which is believed to be the reason Airbus initially responded with price reductions and the updated A320neo lineup.
Didn't Boeing back off from the Embraer purchase in the last minute?
@@osasunaitor Yeap.
My bandmate has a bombardier, among a few others and it's pretty much a must have in any fleet. The bird is a beaut.
Boeing is a salty crybaby of a company
I needed my weekly dose of airplanes thank you :)
boeing is your classmate who like to sabotage you.
the department of commerce is your teacher, who hates you.
airbus is like your best bro.
Shuqri Shaifuddin
So true.
airbus just took half of your homework without paying you a dime, and then convinced you you're better off like this. If that is your best bro you don't even need enemies ;)
mipmipmipmipmip nah you gave him voluntarily
Bombardier is better off like that though. Without Airbus, they wouldn't be able to do anything. Both parties are earning something from the deal. Only one losing here is Boeing.
Airbus took Bombardier's homework, in return, Airbus protects him from the class bully, and Bomba doesn't have to give up his lunch money
This was really well put together and very informative. Great work
My dad as been an electrician for bombardier for almost 20 years now and he tried to explain to me all of this when i was younger. Now i get it. It's actually really interesting!
Bombardier v Boeing
*AIRBUS WINS!*
Again!
Bombardier should also win
@@SR_superior_1000 I would say bombardier lost bc they now lost power over their company.
BUT all the workers who built and will build bombardier planes have won.(as long as they keep their job)
+Bernd Arndt - They still take nearly half the profits of the A220, and it's proven to be quite the seller since this video was made... I'm not sure Bombardier would have managed that on their own. After all, if you're an airline, would you prefer to order a CSeries from a comparatively small Canadian company that really looks like it's bitten off more than it can chew, or would you prefer to order an A220 from an experienced and reliable behemoth of an aerospace company?
Airbus has stake only in the C series program not the Bombardier company !
And it appears Bombardier has just won.
Bombardier won. And lost its shirt, the mercedes, the house and the tall blonde. Then got hit in the motorcycle and got paralyzed hips down. But life continues. Just dont expect Canadian engineers to developed the CS500, CS700 and CS900. CS100 and 300 is all what is and will be. There a no incentives to create competition.
Bombardier didn't lose as much as you think but you're right about the A220 not needing successors (at least for the next 10 years). Also their Global 7500 is about to enter production, with no other planes matching it's quality and performances. Bombardier is in a reasonably good postion right now despite Boeing's actions.
Andry Larson The 737-900? It's just not on the same market as the smaller faster Global. Can't really ''stump it'' in those conditions.
Look up loss leader, market share, and mind share. Also, the cost in this video is way off, it's not $80m, just BS number from Boeing. Imo, Bombardier could have been the third large player to break the duopoly of Boeing and Airbus. Bombardier took a small win(or small lost given the huge potential). Airbus took a big win. Boeing lost.
Boeing did the same with Embraer. Wich is bigger, so boeing won.
This Bombardier / A220 is the greatest small plane in the world. I simply love it.
airbus is a hero
Man airbus really just like a random boss appeared out of no where to beat the other boss
@@rebexokay2938 agreed
More creative competition in the aircraft design is good for the technological development of humanity.
amen, the duopoly needs to be broken. Boeing and Airbus have gotten lazy
When these kinds of companies discover that they can make more money by funding their legal division than by funding the core business like R&D and manufacturing facilities, the result is fairly predictable.
Fuck SpaceX
Lucas Ng why?
Daniel Stewart Flat Earther, why else?
A 300% import tariff is so unfair! Why did the US respond like this?
To summarize from Trumps famous words: America First!
Money...
MrAP_P
It was mid-afternoon and Trump hadn't done anything completely assholish yet that day.
*these decisions happened under the Obama administration
bribes?
Such a good looking plane! I especially like the front of the aircraft.
Great video, and a little piece of Canadian history. 🍁
This video needs a sequel now that Boeing has essentially made the same arrangement with Embraer for the E2 series
If you thing that $1 is the same as $4billions is basically the same.
But the CSeries is selling better
OPchanUBA only that Airbus knew what they were doing while Boeing panicked and bought them out of nowhere...and the C-Series/A220 will dominate while Embraer has not a new plane in development (an all-new plane I mean)...Airbus and Bombardier are still the big winners while Boeing screwed up...and that isn't the only blow to the company if you know what I mean...
Merci
aaaaaand the arrangement has gone (almost 3 years ago now)
300% Tariff WTF US?
TNT MADNESS Oh shit its my tnt cannon guy
The 300% isn't even going to happen, it was a recommendation
its not that shocking. boeing is an american company, that makes american products, that makes american jobs. at the time, bombardier was not and still isn't an american company, but it is making the product in america, and creating more american jobs
Blame Trump
Andrew Yoo dumbass
Airbus is like a great Chad stepping in front of little Bombardier to defend from Boeing bully.
I love this thing. Smart design, elegant to look at it, quality for the customer, and efficiency for airlines.
I flew on a Swiss C300 just last week; beautiful airplane and comfortable cabin configuration even in economy!
Man, that's a good looking jet. Damn proud some of my tax dollars went to help it out. Bon travail, Bombardier!
Oui, oui. C'est un bon avion. I'm glad they stuck it to Boeing.
*slighty reminiscing A.V.Roe*
It's money from the Quebec government, in other words it's Alberta's tax dollars going to it.
Noah S. Lol
Yep, billions of Alberta money to get 49% of the C-Series (not even the Bombardier Company, just the program) so that they can later give the remaining 50% for FREE to airbus. And the funniest thing about it is : the US Department of Commerce decided to lift the import tax.
Boeing is increasingly pissing me off. I may never again be a Boeing customer :)
@@n.m.8802 probably not
Bombardier: Sells cheap aircrafts
Boeing: Hey, that's illigal
so does boeing