The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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  • čas přidán 14. 04. 2019
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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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  • @alexj7440
    @alexj7440 Před 4 měsíci +2453

    Who’s here in 2024 when the 737 Max is still a safety menace?

    • @gabrielgatev
      @gabrielgatev Před 4 měsíci +131

      Emergency door flew away on 5th January this year and all 737 MAX were grounded for inspection

    • @RandomGuy9
      @RandomGuy9 Před 4 měsíci +79

      Makes me sad to see a great American manufacturer to go down like that. They need radical changes in the management.

    • @alexj7440
      @alexj7440 Před 4 měsíci +60

      @@RandomGuy9 Yeah, they’ve focused too much on short term profits

    • @libbybollinger5901
      @libbybollinger5901 Před 4 měsíci

      @@RandomGuy9they used to be a lot better than this. Of course, then they got infected by McDonnell Douglass and their culture.

    • @muhammaDEsmustafa
      @muhammaDEsmustafa Před 4 měsíci

      ​@RandomGuy9 Not the manufacturer only, the FAA. It's a swamp of corruption and a lustrious relationship between corporations and government.

  • @gundolarry
    @gundolarry Před 4 lety +8503

    "We couldn't fix your brakes so we made your horn louder...."

  • @andymath1523
    @andymath1523 Před 2 lety +2506

    Boeing's CEO walked away with 63 million dollars after this

    • @4Noirr_
      @4Noirr_ Před rokem +25

      @@californiapoppy he's rich that's how :(

    • @ElysiumCreator
      @ElysiumCreator Před rokem +178

      @@californiapoppy He was removed by the board of directors. He got 63 million in stock buybacks and pensions

    • @danny90099
      @danny90099 Před rokem +66

      They force him to resign by give him 63 mil . Those a hole worry about ceo lawsuit than all victim family lawsuit

    • @intouchkhaoviset9155
      @intouchkhaoviset9155 Před rokem +5

      And many corpses

    • @duhuynh8603
      @duhuynh8603 Před rokem +9

      That the boeing style

  • @pbatacan
    @pbatacan Před 4 měsíci +752

    A software update might fix doors popping out mid-flight.

    • @BFDT-4
      @BFDT-4 Před 4 měsíci +23

      BRILLIANT! Best post!

    • @Lahun17
      @Lahun17 Před 3 měsíci +7

      🤣🤣💀💀

    • @kannantm2731
      @kannantm2731 Před 3 měsíci +3

      oh yeah, thanks to power point slides , software update can fix many things including constipation, strokes , blockages, kidney stones and many more be it an airplane or a human.

    • @michaelbradley7621
      @michaelbradley7621 Před 2 měsíci +2

      And wings coming apart mid flight. DEI baby.

    • @cheese.strings.for.breakfast
      @cheese.strings.for.breakfast Před měsícem

      😭😭😭😭

  • @ramal5708
    @ramal5708 Před 3 lety +5117

    MCAS: Money comes above safety

  • @jaym9846
    @jaym9846 Před 3 lety +8100

    Boeing lied. People died.
    Max Profit. Min Responsibility.

    • @trevorjameson3213
      @trevorjameson3213 Před 3 lety +127

      Well yeah, true. But if Airbus hadn't built a better airplane than Boeing, then Boeing wouldn't have had to get a bigger engine, thus causing all the problems. Lol. So I can hear Boeing blaming Airbus for this.

    • @aoe9015
      @aoe9015 Před 3 lety +259

      @@trevorjameson3213 i know what you mean, but that doesnt make any sense

    • @kingkai2800
      @kingkai2800 Před 3 lety +10

      Yes right now hope they all get locked up

    • @shaylan1776
      @shaylan1776 Před 3 lety +108

      @@trevorjameson3213 if boeing does that that’s the dumbest reason i’ve ever heard

    • @eefsx8761
      @eefsx8761 Před 3 lety +2

      Yup

  • @f_pie
    @f_pie Před 2 měsíci +274

    RIP John Barnett, you will be remembered for standing up for what's right...

  • @legitbeans9078
    @legitbeans9078 Před 3 měsíci +82

    I knew someone who was on the Ethiopia flight. A beautiful young woman who was trying to make a positive influence in the world. RIP Samya Stumo. You are remembered 😞

  • @wgarvey84
    @wgarvey84 Před 4 lety +14442

    Terrifying. Imagine the pilot having to battle a plane trying to nosedive

    • @wgarvey84
      @wgarvey84 Před 4 lety +183

      @Tatsujiro Kurogane a painful one

    • @francoismorin6806
      @francoismorin6806 Před 4 lety +293

      omfg that's a horrible vision the plane crached at 1000 klm/h they found the engine 10 meter under the ground :-O

    • @rika.artzyy
      @rika.artzyy Před 4 lety +184

      😐 all because of the mcas... wow just wow.

    • @francoismorin6806
      @francoismorin6806 Před 4 lety +5

      @Untrepid One no mph klmph

    • @francoismorin6806
      @francoismorin6806 Před 4 lety +2

      @Untrepid One Why ? 🤔

  • @zhubotang927
    @zhubotang927 Před 3 lety +7258

    A high school class mate of mine was on one of these planes. When it happened so close to you, the number of deaths meant something to you.

    • @yazebs4378
      @yazebs4378 Před 3 lety +131

      Wait, he was on a boeing 737 max that crashed or was he lucky enough to be not on one of those? If he was tho, rip to him 🙏. Boeing should be charged so much money for everyone who died in the crashes.

    • @glitch8450
      @glitch8450 Před 3 lety +264

      My teacher lost two cousins in the Ethiopian crash. She was so broken that day when she told us. It hurt seeing her cry like that, I'm pretty sure she left early that day.

    • @yazebs4378
      @yazebs4378 Před 3 lety +78

      Glitch tragic... I hate it so much that people have to day because some rich people want even more money

    • @Delita251
      @Delita251 Před 3 lety +171

      As an Indonesian, I'm still bitter about this event. I just hate the fact that Boeing employees turned down Indonesian pilots request for more training and mock them instead. I'm crying just by watching this. The arrogance of those people. How dare

    • @alexandermartini8489
      @alexandermartini8489 Před 3 lety +7

      So sorry for the loss :(

  • @iactiv6274
    @iactiv6274 Před 4 měsíci +264

    If it's a Boeing, I'm not going.

  • @serverblue621
    @serverblue621 Před 2 měsíci +39

    MCAS: might crash any second

  • @benzjiman6931
    @benzjiman6931 Před 3 lety +3615

    It’s depressing seeing all those wallets, shoes and plushies just laying there

    • @ReichX1000
      @ReichX1000 Před 3 lety +152

      Seeing those toys are the most depressing things I've seen

    • @aflaxnews5264
      @aflaxnews5264 Před 3 lety +39

      Yes my neighbour was one of them

    • @cooldiamondgamer611
      @cooldiamondgamer611 Před 3 lety +11

      Aflax News i am sorry

    • @CT-75676
      @CT-75676 Před 3 lety +3

      ir i saw that i would just steal those wallets

    • @DeadMutt
      @DeadMutt Před 3 lety +20

      It is, and seeing so many just proves how many significant lives were lost in that crash, it’s extremely depressing.

  • @mrlooool1111
    @mrlooool1111 Před 4 lety +3220

    The pictures of shoes and wallets of the passengers is so depressing.

  • @josewerleman3794
    @josewerleman3794 Před 4 měsíci +92

    Guess who is back in the news?

  • @Theultrazombiekiller
    @Theultrazombiekiller Před 9 měsíci +222

    My brother was a lead software engineer for Boeing during the "problem solving" phase after they were all grounded. He was a part of the team that found the solution. Now he works for IBM.

    • @JayJayAviation
      @JayJayAviation Před 8 měsíci +2

      Nice

    • @SychoSam
      @SychoSam Před 5 měsíci +7

      Great. So what you're doing except playing video games whole day and night?

    • @tea5092
      @tea5092 Před 4 měsíci +12

      @@SychoSamNPC life is better than whatever you do!!

    • @bipl8989
      @bipl8989 Před 3 měsíci

      Good. Their stuff doesn't fly.

  • @jeiku5314
    @jeiku5314 Před 5 lety +31247

    Oh look. People died because someone else wanted more money.

    • @eruno_
      @eruno_ Před 5 lety +1722

      capitalism...

    • @rollingtroll
      @rollingtroll Před 5 lety +693

      Such a new concept!

    • @pasapucha
      @pasapucha Před 5 lety +565

      BBB 👎️ (Boeing Behaving Badly )

    • @alexc2649
      @alexc2649 Před 5 lety +579

      but the free market will protect us

    • @andrevdende8244
      @andrevdende8244 Před 5 lety +523

      Competition is good,well thats what they told us.

  • @BR-if3df
    @BR-if3df Před 3 lety +6268

    More than a year later - still no accountability, no arrests - just more excuses.

    • @Reidhirsch
      @Reidhirsch Před 3 lety +131

      No, Boeing took accountability and it has done its re certification flight and passed it. Yes it was rushed but the MCAS wasn’t supposed to behave like that which was a SOFTWARE error not a human error. The other problem is a lot of those obscure Asian/African airlines don’t give their pilots as good of training as we would get in the US because they just don’t have the money to provide it.

    • @RIPped
      @RIPped Před 3 lety +873

      @@Reidhirsch You must be a Boeing employee with the way you attribute blame away from Boeing

    • @Reidhirsch
      @Reidhirsch Před 3 lety +76

      Jordan Wong I’m not and I’m not saying that it wasn’t their fault and they could’ve done a lot more testing but the majority of plane crashes happen in countries with less money because of the lack of training that they give their employees. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

    • @lenmetallica
      @lenmetallica Před 3 lety +78

      @@RIPped I don't think he worded his statement properly, but he's not entirely wrong. Boeing undoubtedly takes a majority of the blame here for over selling a product which in turn took the lives of so many people. However there are proper procedures in place for virtually any situation or system failure, including the MCAS. A properly trained pilot needs to know exactly what to do in case of an MCAS failure and all the other pilots that experienced and complained about it, managed to fly their planes without any real danger to the plane or lives on board.

    • @davida4607
      @davida4607 Před 3 lety +253

      Part of the problem was that since Boeing had promised a delivery date and minimal pilot training, they did not push for more training on the MCAS, and kept it secret for the most part. Other research also shows that test pilots on simulators in the Seattle location were pushing for more R&D, as they we encountering similar issues when initially testing the MAX. But HQ in Chicago either didn’t get the message, or didn’t care. This was an institutional failure by Boeing, caused primarily by the need to keep market share.

  • @deardiary8292
    @deardiary8292 Před rokem +176

    2 years since the crashes and I’d like people to know we are still remembering the victims :(

  • @epoxy1710
    @epoxy1710 Před 4 měsíci +24

    If you can't keep your plane in the air without a software preventing the plane from crashing, YOUR DESIGN IS JUNK.

    • @marcbrady7241
      @marcbrady7241 Před 4 měsíci

      Given that out of over 16,000 737s built since 1960 there’s only been 502 incidents. I wouldn’t say it’s junk.

    • @epoxy1710
      @epoxy1710 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@marcbrady7241 Now they also fall apart.

    • @marcbrady7241
      @marcbrady7241 Před 4 měsíci

      @@epoxy1710 Not yet confirmed all the details of this. This might not be Boeings fault. Wait until we know everything before making assumptions.

    • @epoxy1710
      @epoxy1710 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@marcbrady7241 Still a door ripped off the plane. Smells Flight 811 all over again.

    • @yodaas7902
      @yodaas7902 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@epoxy1710Most likely a quality control issue meaning it's not tied to specifically the 737 max.

  • @hansmuller1625
    @hansmuller1625 Před 3 lety +3765

    They violated one of the most basic premises of aircraft design. You do not ever trust just one sensor to feed info to a critical system.

    • @RazvanMaioru
      @RazvanMaioru Před 3 lety +13

      There's still a very simple off switch though

    • @Avengerie
      @Avengerie Před 3 lety +471

      @@RazvanMaioru Not when the feature is badly documented, you are under stress and every millisecond counts. It means one more thing to diagnose and rule out.

    • @RazvanMaioru
      @RazvanMaioru Před 3 lety +9

      @@Avengerie it's the same trim cutoff switch as on previous models. You use it in the same circumstances (trim runaway), it's in the same place, it's the same switch, it takes the same amount of time to use it (the expected time it would take pilots to notice a failure, diagnose it and then use this switch is 3 seconds), and the same amount of time is required. The same memory checklist applies. How is this a worse design in any way? Or "one more thing to diagnose and rule out"?

    • @lixloon
      @lixloon Před 3 lety +284

      @@RazvanMaioru Do you work for Boeing PR? Two pilots had a lot more than 3 seconds to figure this out and didn't.

    • @RazvanMaioru
      @RazvanMaioru Před 3 lety +3

      @@lixloon Then they shouldn't have their type rating, if they can't properly fly that plane.

  • @dappingforever7720
    @dappingforever7720 Před 3 lety +4677

    MCAS
    M-May
    C-Crash
    A-Any
    S-Second

    • @zh2912
      @zh2912 Před 3 lety +161

      Hey, that's actually pretty good

    • @kingclox28
      @kingclox28 Před 3 lety +50

      Fact bro

    • @kingclox28
      @kingclox28 Před 3 lety +48

      So many people died bc someone didn't say the new feature they put in their plane

    • @spritegang4444
      @spritegang4444 Před 3 lety +14

      nice Ctrl V

    • @esh2833
      @esh2833 Před 3 lety +24

      Another Boeing just went down today🤐

  • @Shineinpoverty
    @Shineinpoverty Před 4 měsíci +35

    They wanted to make something to rival Airbus. They did not have time, so they decided to cut the time needed to find and eliminate any problems.
    2 planes crushed, they did not have to.
    The greed of Boeing officials killed innocent people.

    • @JaggedRecordsVa
      @JaggedRecordsVa Před 4 měsíci +4

      Exactly. Pure greed… what other problems might this airplane family have, rather not find out the deadly way.

  • @lexismith8206
    @lexismith8206 Před 10 měsíci +52

    I wonder what the pilot was thinking during their final moments. It’s so difficult accepting your fate but trying to remain calm for the sake of your passengers. RIP the innocent souls that were lost. 💔

  • @reallyhappenings5597
    @reallyhappenings5597 Před 5 lety +3856

    "Let's add some new software and not tell the pilots."

    • @BloatedBumbleBee
      @BloatedBumbleBee Před 5 lety +125

      @@spidercubed9718 Yes, but this wasn't junk. It was incredibly important

    • @TheWormzerjr
      @TheWormzerjr Před 5 lety +9

      im thinking about the satanic mandela effect moving the turbine to the front of the wing instead of underneath

    • @Clavinovaman
      @Clavinovaman Před 5 lety +2

      Yep, scandalous. But that's going to bite them sorely in the ba**s as a consequence.

    • @dubdub1
      @dubdub1 Před 5 lety +29

      The pilots were told about it, just not trained properly by their respective airlines. It was a chain of events that led to the crashes, not just the MCAS.

    • @Rafaxel_27
      @Rafaxel_27 Před 5 lety +4

      @@BloatedBumbleBee to kill over 300 people in 5 months

  • @str2010
    @str2010 Před 4 lety +1592

    US pilots: Hey, our planes keep nosing down and nearly killing us. We should stop flying them
    Boeing: Is this some poor joke I'm too rich to understand

    • @NativeVsColonial
      @NativeVsColonial Před 4 lety +16

      Huge American Companies can bet anything for money

    • @TheOzthewiz
      @TheOzthewiz Před 4 lety +32

      Trump: "planes are just TOO complicated nowadays, it's NOT Boeing's fault"......

    • @dhardy6654
      @dhardy6654 Před 4 lety +10

      Low time inexperienced 3rd world pilots crashed....never happened in America. Truth is its not MCAS its alt capture on the autopilot.

    • @johnfranklin1955
      @johnfranklin1955 Před 4 lety +4

      Yes and the American pilots didn’t crash. 2 Stab Trim to Off.

    • @icemachine79
      @icemachine79 Před 4 lety +4

      The UnknownSG: This is my uninformed hot take on the situation.
      Me: Sigh.

  • @nemanjaj8903
    @nemanjaj8903 Před měsícem +14

    "Boeing or I'm not going" has turned into "Boeing? I'm not going."

  • @teguhgumilar6868
    @teguhgumilar6868 Před 2 lety +70

    When an engineering company runs by an accountant...

  • @skittleyrealm2795
    @skittleyrealm2795 Před 2 lety +5616

    What’s heartbreaking about this is that when news of the Lion Air crash first broke, many people thought the problem lay with the quality of the pilots and the airline, and that it was a “3rd world country problem”. At the time, only a few questioned the responsibility of Boeing.
    Those poor pilots were doing everything they could to control a plane that Boeing intentionally hid important info about :( RIP :(

    • @JayJayAviation
      @JayJayAviation Před 2 lety +59

      They should’ve known about a runaway stab tho. It’s very similar and they trained for it

    • @chrisbowpiloto
      @chrisbowpiloto Před 2 lety +77

      Actually the vast majority of industry professionals still place the majority of the blame on the pilots. As Jay Jay said, this failure is very similar to runaway trim which has been around for a very long time. The lion air report glosses over some terrifying mistakes made by that crew

    • @cityuser
      @cityuser Před 2 lety +382

      @@chrisbowpiloto The Ethiopian crew followed the runaway stabilizer checklist... and still crashed.

    • @chrisbowpiloto
      @chrisbowpiloto Před 2 lety +27

      @@cityuser well they did half of it, and then undid it... That does not count as "doing the procedure" in this industry

    • @JayJayAviation
      @JayJayAviation Před 2 lety +17

      @@James-jx3ro I’m not saying Boeing is innocent. I’m just saying the pilots also had a role in the accidents.

  • @madpatriot7464
    @madpatriot7464 Před 5 lety +5604

    When you are carrying people, you cannot cut corners. Period.

    • @racingwithbrad
      @racingwithbrad Před 5 lety +72

      Couldn't agree more. Just to make a few more dollar. :(

    • @AnexoRialto
      @AnexoRialto Před 5 lety +223

      Keep in mind that for an American company, non-Americans are not people. Or at least not important people. That's why the USA didn't even want to ground this plane.

    • @charliebrown6161
      @charliebrown6161 Před 5 lety +37

      You are right, can't cut corners. The airlines hired pilots that I would never hired when I was the chief pilot of an airline.
      Those guys should never been in the cockpits.

    • @davidtomlinson6138
      @davidtomlinson6138 Před 5 lety +6

      Too right -challenger shuttle accident 85 another onev

    • @awkwardotter2092
      @awkwardotter2092 Před 4 lety +83

      @@charliebrown6161From what I can tell, It's not that the pilot's did a poor job, it's that they weren't alerted of the software

  • @sleepyfromstress6524
    @sleepyfromstress6524 Před rokem +21

    Thank you Vox for providing the information necessary to understand what was going on with this situation in a digestible, aesthetic way.

  • @prathameshdatar5565
    @prathameshdatar5565 Před 4 měsíci +26

    Coming here again after Max9 issues 😢

    • @marcbrady7241
      @marcbrady7241 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Even though that’s a completely different issue?

    • @prathameshdatar5565
      @prathameshdatar5565 Před 4 měsíci +7

      @@marcbrady7241 it's still Boeing and FAA rushing to clear them off to fly again

    • @sixfifty_sebb
      @sixfifty_sebb Před 3 měsíci

      @@marcbrady7241still dangerous tho

  • @TheOzthewiz
    @TheOzthewiz Před 4 lety +2595

    When the 737Max is certified safe and ready to fly, the CEO of Boeing AND his family should be on that "new and improved" plane!

    • @holyarmageddon19
      @holyarmageddon19 Před 4 lety +25

      💯 💯

    • @lalorey2630
      @lalorey2630 Před 4 lety +38

      thats why the board is playing musical chairs no one want to fly in it

    • @icemachine79
      @icemachine79 Před 4 lety +50

      You kidding? I'd fly it today as long as the crew was properly certified as they would have been if these were American-based airlines. These crashes were caused by pilot error. At worst, the MCAS issue should have been a mild inconvenience and easily dealt with by exiting procedures for runaway trim regardless of the system responsible for it. But the pilots didn't handle the situation correctly and hundreds of people died as a result.

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 Před 4 lety +171

      @@icemachine79 The pilots weren't allowed to. The computer has more span than the yoke, therefore, can override any input from the pilots. It was later proven, that even switching the system "off" wasn't enough to restore full control to the pilot, since, switching it off is a software command, rather than a hard transfer switch. Any error in software, or hardware malfunction, and the pilots cannot regain control. It's not like the "auto-pilot" in a Cessna, or Piper, though it should be!

    • @icemachine79
      @icemachine79 Před 4 lety +29

      @@vincentrobinette1507 None of what you said is accurate as demonstrated by the safe landing of the SAME Lion Air plane that encountered the SAME problem but luckily had a much more competent crew in charge on that particular flight. All they had to do was follow the runaway trim checklist to deactivate the electric trim system (which automatically disabled all MCAS commands) and manage their airspeed correctly in order to operate the trim manually. Unfortunately, after the plane landed safely and was checked in for repairs, Lion Air's maintenance staff failed to fix the faulty AoA sensor and illegally returned the plane to flight status. The next crew to pilot the plane then failed to follow the proper checklist for runaway trim which eventually resulted in a crash. The Ethiopian Airlines crew failed to throttle back at any point during the flight (lack of basic airmanship b/c co-pilot only had 200 hours in ANY cockpit) which made it almost impossible to manually trim the aircraft. The captain followed the proper checklist but his co-pilot was totally useless leaving him oversaturated with tasks. Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines are the companies that should be held to account for these deaths, not Boeing.

  • @samuellueth9012
    @samuellueth9012 Před 3 lety +7212

    This is what happened when companies put profits ahead of people's lives.

    • @schizoidforjesus
      @schizoidforjesus Před 3 lety +30

      haha Ford Pinto go brrrrrr

    • @TheGreatCooLite
      @TheGreatCooLite Před 3 lety +110

      Thats what every company does

    • @samuellueth9012
      @samuellueth9012 Před 3 lety +60

      @@TheGreatCooLite yeah and after that they can lose everything to their competitors.

    • @johnames6430
      @johnames6430 Před 3 lety +14

      You should live in Cuba for a few weeks.

    • @samuellueth9012
      @samuellueth9012 Před 3 lety +75

      @@johnames6430 the truth is hard to handle isn't it?

  • @johnperez7896
    @johnperez7896 Před 2 lety +25

    What angers me is how the Boeing management told people that it's pilot error and if its an American pilot flew this it wouldn't crash. This really goes to show that America has such a big ego problem. America isn't the best in everything know that a lot of countries are far more better than America so don't think that you are far better than everyone else. And for Boeing be responsible if something happens and don't blame pilots first before looking at your own products because you aren't the best and this is proof.

    • @weasdf8718
      @weasdf8718 Před 7 měsíci

      there is truth in it though pilots in the us are told about the mcas which would work if pilots used it correctly by just not over countering it however airlines choose not to tell their pilots boeing did inform airlines and it was up to them whether to provide additional,training or inform at least to the pilots,in these 3rd world countries they didnt bother telling

  • @jeffclark5268
    @jeffclark5268 Před 4 měsíci +24

    And now they’re falling apart in the air…

  • @rizkydeshanda4235
    @rizkydeshanda4235 Před 3 lety +1768

    3 of my relatives have passed away in this accident and now knowing the cause was something like this making it more ironically and depressed. Those are souls, waited by their family but never came home.

  • @thesexyphilanthropis
    @thesexyphilanthropis Před 5 lety +1523

    Dang, the shoes and personal items from the people onboarding hit hard.

    • @shiroineko13
      @shiroineko13 Před 5 lety +77

      Yeah, seeing that Hello Kitty bag made me tear up.

    • @jamesmonahan1819
      @jamesmonahan1819 Před 5 lety +11

      That was creepy

    • @ava.and.jasper
      @ava.and.jasper Před 5 lety +38

      ya that's what got me too the most, it's so tragic and the people responsible so far just get away with putting all those people in danger and causing their deaths

    • @thesexyphilanthropis
      @thesexyphilanthropis Před 5 lety +8

      @@ava.and.jasper Not a lawyer in the whole of the 7 kingdoms is going to get them out of this one.

    • @jamesmonahan1819
      @jamesmonahan1819 Před 5 lety +2

      @@ava.and.jasper The people in the commercial aircraft industry are not pushing things under the rug to save money. The safety culture there is the best in the world, from engineers to flight crews everybody is focused on getting the job done every time and upgrading aircraft and procedures before tragedy strikes. The pilots of these two crashed aircraft had the training to react to this problem, but problems almost never happen during flight and pilots are sometimes caught off guard. (it's a strange side effect of being part of the safest industry). And yes, there was an unforeseen problem with the MCAS system and the manufacture was working on a solution before the first crash. It is safe to fly and getting safer all the time.

  • @uncletom2962
    @uncletom2962 Před 4 měsíci +21

    Sadly this is actual again, this time the fuselage disintegrated!
    Boing is becoming a liability to the public transport

  • @vanleeuwenhoek
    @vanleeuwenhoek Před rokem +10

    Reminds me of a book called 'The Glass Cage' by Nicholas Carr. He discusses the impact of autopilot-pilot interactions at crucial moments in piloting planes. Another interesting aspect of pilots dealing with plane feedback would be Errol Morris' interview of Denny Fitch operating a plane with no hydraulic. Fascinating case studies nonetheless. They're a good way to frame our relationship individually and as a society with the vast computational infrastructure that we continuously interact with on a second-by-second basis these days.

  • @K2KOfcoursegg
    @K2KOfcoursegg Před 3 lety +3439

    Imagine many people died because of a guy wanted to compete his rival and gain more money

    • @Yetaxa
      @Yetaxa Před 3 lety +145

      It's a story that's happened again and again throughout history

    • @sammythebest9520
      @sammythebest9520 Před 3 lety

      same as airbus

    • @Lucky-ow4mk
      @Lucky-ow4mk Před 3 lety +10

      @@myusername3689 well a few thousand people died of famine but socialism is good

    • @whosxella
      @whosxella Před 3 lety +2

      i never liked boeing and here they are doing this its sad. no hat though i still have respect for boeing. This is a reason why the a320 is better.

    • @SzymonPmc
      @SzymonPmc Před 3 lety +2

      it's called a war

  • @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy

    Being in a crashing plane seems like one of the most terrifying things that could possibly happen. I feel so sorry for those people.

    • @mh-ki2dv
      @mh-ki2dv Před 5 lety +2

      Captain Jack Aubrey of the Royal Navy You’d be surprised what pilots can pull off to save passengers especially when crash landing. Terrifying? Yes. Survival? Actually somewhat likely (given the circumstances in which the plane crashes/lands).

    • @firestorm8268
      @firestorm8268 Před 5 lety +8

      Yeah it must be just impending doom with those g forces as the plane dived

    • @Skyried
      @Skyried Před 5 lety +3

      @@firestorm8268 you don't actually experience any noticeable Gs in a linear dive. G forces are most experienced when entering and pulling out of a dive via the change in acceleration.

    • @dudleylandsberg1747
      @dudleylandsberg1747 Před 5 lety +2

      @@Skyried exactly. It would be the opposite of G force if the plane was depending rapidly people might even lift out if their seats and feel like there's no gravity and your whole stomach feels like it's going to come out of your mouth. Probably one of the most terrifying feelings in the world that's the whole "thrill" of roller costers

    • @dudleylandsberg1747
      @dudleylandsberg1747 Před 5 lety

      Decending

  • @luftlinie811
    @luftlinie811 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for keeping this short but giving us the essential information.

  • @BGTuyau
    @BGTuyau Před rokem +27

    A cautionary tale of technology and competition. Sad story well told

  • @lukedstaten
    @lukedstaten Před 3 lety +2078

    To all those souls who died on these planes, I’m sorry that you haven’t been given justice. Accountability is needed.

    • @Animator22538
      @Animator22538 Před 3 lety +10

      Yeah it sad man

    • @lal12
      @lal12 Před 3 lety +4

      And how should that work? Yeah obviously it is a thing you should wish for but unfortunately very unrealistic. For one in such cases usually not one person is guilty, but many people just a little bit, but usually no one enough that he can be held accountible. And even if it would be the case that someone has a high enough degree of accountabilty for this, it is hard to prove if not even impossible to find out. Just look at the "simple" question is the FAA guilty for not properly validate the plane for flying or is Boeing responsible because they did not test enough for themselfes? Is the engineer the bad guy even if he honestly believed that the MCAS would be a good system or the guy who decided that now further training is necessary? Obviously nothing we can answer here, but it isn't very likely that such question can be conclusively answered by an investigation committee.

    • @yourlocalramen1660
      @yourlocalramen1660 Před 3 lety +29

      @@lal12 uhhhh, ever heard of lawsuits?

    • @lal12
      @lal12 Před 3 lety +6

      ​@@yourlocalramen1660 sure. But it is not likely that a criminal case will ever be filed. There will be a (or multiple) civil lawsuit against Boeing which certainly will be successfull. But even if a single person will be accused getting certain proof that this person was aware of all the problems and clearly decided to ignore them. This will be mostly impossible.
      For one there are multiple circumstances which lead to the accidents, not just the technical flaws in the 737 Max. Then there are many different technical design faults which lead to the accident. Then it was mostly certified by the FAA and all changes that were not recertified do not formally require a recertification. And the FAA has issues in itself for one their conflicting functions (controlling and promote the aeronautic industry), also recent law changes lead to a more or less the self certification by the airplane manufacturer.
      So I doubt there is even a person or a group of people which can be singled out to be liable in some way. But even if you can find some, will be very hard to prove that in a criminal case. They would have to interview hundreds of people, which probably neither want to incriminate them selves or their coworkers.
      I don't say that there definitely aren't people which could be clearly be viewed as guilty from an ethical/morally standpoint. Especially if they put money before people's safety, but again this not really something that can be brought before a criminal court.

    • @DawahDiaries_2033
      @DawahDiaries_2033 Před 3 lety +6

      If not in Earth, they will get justice in the Judgement Day

  • @sawchick6384
    @sawchick6384 Před 3 lety +2265

    Boeing be like: "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of 189 passengers is a statistic"

    • @aoinatasha1313
      @aoinatasha1313 Před 3 lety +87

      yeah like seriously, all those rioting on the streets around the world for one black man. here 300 more souls and people just pretend to care. People can say that's only because he represent a race or movement something.... well that could be US on those planes! they represent us, no matter who we are

    • @skyejamss
      @skyejamss Před 3 lety +39

      @@aoinatasha1313 Also the same for environment and climate change. People be like "Oh no, we need to act quickly" while in reality they're throwing their Cheetos bag on the side of the road while looking at their phone

    • @LunringNassar
      @LunringNassar Před 3 lety +8

      - Stalin.

    • @oneilhyde1448
      @oneilhyde1448 Před 3 lety +1

      @@aoinatasha1313 i

    • @tonybeck8624
      @tonybeck8624 Před 3 lety

      Now a lot more in crash 3

  • @GoDiegoGo516
    @GoDiegoGo516 Před 2 měsíci +10

    And now there killing whistle blowers for calling them out on there greed

  • @ToastWarner
    @ToastWarner Před 2 lety +8

    Seeing everyone’s belongings piled together hits the heart.

  • @dave6429
    @dave6429 Před 4 lety +1303

    4:08 That altitude chart gave me a creepy feeling, just thinking about the people on-board, not knowing that they would eventually end up in the sea.😔

    • @whitneyhuskins3677
      @whitneyhuskins3677 Před 4 lety +127

      Same. Those people were terrified the entire time because I guarentee everyone of them knew that it was not normal. Boeing needs to compensate every single surviving family for what they did to them and their loved ones by cutting corners.

    • @mikellbart2185
      @mikellbart2185 Před 4 lety +16

      The only mistake on the graph is that they did not show numbers for the altitude

    • @dave6429
      @dave6429 Před 4 lety +8

      @@mikellbart2185 Yes I agree with you. This chart should have included the aircrafts altitude for better/clearer reference.

    • @garythesnail6177
      @garythesnail6177 Před 4 lety +25

      @@dave6429 The plane remained around 2,000 to 3,000 feet in the air i believe, as it failed to ever reach its designated altitude for that part of the flight, and the was plane traveling unusually fast according to the control tower, so you can only imagine the terrible amount of anxiety the passengers were experiencing :/

    • @stevenmugnaini2938
      @stevenmugnaini2938 Před 4 lety +11

      pretty sure people knew after the first few rollorcoaster drops

  • @iVan123
    @iVan123 Před 4 lety +1441

    boeing: the engine used to not fit but we shoved it in there and it actually worked

    • @Mrjimmybuckets24
      @Mrjimmybuckets24 Před 3 lety +14

      Well said.

    • @Eknoma
      @Eknoma Před 3 lety +24

      This V12 1600 hp engine didn't fit under the hood in this camper van, so we just put it loosely right behind the driver, and made sure you could only give maximum thrust, and it fit nicely

    • @randomotter6346
      @randomotter6346 Před 3 lety +4

      Well, it didn’t really work....

    • @randomotter6346
      @randomotter6346 Před 3 lety

      S. S. Cookies I know.

    • @Embargoman
      @Embargoman Před 3 lety +1

      The designer of the 737 MAX is a black man.

  • @klipklapklop3359
    @klipklapklop3359 Před 4 měsíci +9

    The new DC 10 🔥🔥🔥

  • @nonstops_aviation
    @nonstops_aviation Před 2 lety +9

    737max: Gets into 2 deadly accidents
    DC-10: I raised that boy!

    • @Mr10203040
      @Mr10203040 Před 2 lety

      737 max 8, now with the bois that brings you DC-10

  • @namedrayden175
    @namedrayden175 Před 3 lety +709

    “We couldn’t put an engine above the wing so we just slapped it on top”
    -Boeing

    • @lowbudgetname2745
      @lowbudgetname2745 Před 3 lety +15

      U stupidp

    • @malanao
      @malanao Před 3 lety +24

      You mean below the wing?

    • @kyojoeviant7331
      @kyojoeviant7331 Před 3 lety +4

      @@lowbudgetname2745 stupidp

    • @maggiejetson7904
      @maggiejetson7904 Před 3 lety +9

      This happens quite often, the problem is they say it is the same when it isn't. Imagine you are riding a bike and then all of a sudden they change the size of one of the wheel and say it is still the same bike.

    • @jhawarnikunj
      @jhawarnikunj Před 2 lety +4

      Yup! I think the engineers were just eating up burgers..

  • @410540
    @410540 Před 4 lety +1169

    The fact that they didn't write down the MCAS In the training book sounds like what they did in Chernobyl plant reactors.

    • @jayakrishnagelli6498
      @jayakrishnagelli6498 Před 4 lety +33

      great comparison.

    • @NickyD
      @NickyD Před 4 lety +5

      but chernobyl was human error

    • @vegardpig8634
      @vegardpig8634 Před 4 lety +27

      Nicky D That’s just half the story

    • @RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE
      @RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE Před 4 lety +39

      @@NickyD
      Half the story only.
      But you're actually half right:
      - The top engineer was only trained to coal plants.
      - And the Reactor 4 was actually faulty.

    • @marcus8971
      @marcus8971 Před 4 lety +5

      @@NickyD and they hid it from the rest of the world.

  • @tengkualiff
    @tengkualiff Před rokem +2

    Great in-depth and objective reporting. Learnt a lot from this.

  • @user-yn2pi3nv4g
    @user-yn2pi3nv4g Před 4 měsíci +10

    I will never fly on a Boeing 737 max

  • @kurt2rsenjazz
    @kurt2rsenjazz Před 5 lety +415

    @4:10 that infographic was brutal. Whoever did that visualization, really managed to tell the story.

    • @Elios0000
      @Elios0000 Před 5 lety +8

      not at all it doesnt even talk about the fact only the right side was showing bad data and had the pilot and FO cross checked there instruments they would seen this the ETH flight the Captain had only ~1500 hours TOTAL and FO just north of 500 in the US you need 1500 hours TOTAL time JUST get a FO job small airline the cause of the crash was inexperience

    • @pumpkinp3528
      @pumpkinp3528 Před 5 lety +84

      @@Elios0000 spoken like a true pilot, what did you fly? Your Ford Fiesta?

    • @gusp6612
      @gusp6612 Před 5 lety +51

      Elios0000 that’s in the Ethiopian airlines case. The captain in flight 610 is a veteran pilot with almost 8000 flight hours, and the FO has around 5000.
      They have no idea MCAS even existed. Also. MCAS takes data from the left side(captain’s data). Knowing the sensors disagree also wouldn’t have helped. Considering.. you know the problem is with the MCAS automatically trimming their aircraft down.

    • @MissesWitch
      @MissesWitch Před 5 lety +11

      my heart sunk when i saw the plane sink :(

    • @GuinessOriginal
      @GuinessOriginal Před 5 lety +35

      @@robroilen4441 you working for boeings pr department? Tell them to focus on testing and the pr will look at after itself

  • @jenniferchunias3519
    @jenniferchunias3519 Před 3 lety +1639

    Just seeing those baby shoes in the wreckage is heartbreaking......

    • @likebotting784
      @likebotting784 Před 3 lety +8

      737 max is safely flying again

    • @AvishekTravels
      @AvishekTravels Před 3 lety +41

      @@likebotting784 shut up

    • @Prokerboss
      @Prokerboss Před 3 lety +11

      @@AvishekTravels no u

    • @thisaccounthasbeensuspended
      @thisaccounthasbeensuspended Před 3 lety +4

      @The secular humanist so in any moment some 787 or 737 max could just burst in flames like swissair 111?

    • @awhahoo
      @awhahoo Před 3 lety +1

      @@thisaccounthasbeensuspended i dont know much about the issue, but maybe. Or it could lose power to important areas

  • @paulallen8109
    @paulallen8109 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Back in 2020 when this MCAS system which crashed two Boeing 737 MAX airliners was all the rage I said:"It's the MCAS system now, and they'll fix it, *but who knows what kind of other design errors will emerge in the future?* "
    Looks like I was right. How I wish I had been wrong.

    • @AmbientMorality
      @AmbientMorality Před 3 měsíci

      The latest is a quality problem. I don't think that's really better at all, but it's something.

  • @jmcglockYT
    @jmcglockYT Před 4 měsíci +9

    AND NOW THEY’RE SPONTANEOUSLY DEPRESSURISING MID AIR

  • @Infinitelybetter466
    @Infinitelybetter466 Před 4 lety +1245

    300+ people died and no one is going to jail or no accountability!! Money over lives anytime I guess.

    • @largol33t1
      @largol33t1 Před 4 lety +51

      The FAA is in Boeing's pocket as well as the US government. That's the real problem.

    • @kc30058
      @kc30058 Před 4 lety +78

      Welcome to the US...where corporations write our bills and make our laws.

    • @bigpappahemi4263
      @bigpappahemi4263 Před 4 lety +22

      As long as you're a large multinational company. If you're a single individual or a small mom and pop company you'll get the book thrown at you. There are different sets of rules based on your net value.

    • @hackableification
      @hackableification Před 4 lety +4

      The CEO at least got fired :/

    • @danielex5142
      @danielex5142 Před 4 lety +9

      Yet a Brazilian maintenance guy went to jail for forgetting to take duct tape off a sensor when servicing a plane.

  • @senenn5862
    @senenn5862 Před 5 lety +4612

    346 lives were lost just because a company wanted to sell the most aircrafts...

    • @rollingtroll
      @rollingtroll Před 5 lety +162

      I mean... Millions of lives were lost for similar reasons.

    • @slavsya
      @slavsya Před 5 lety +60

      I'd say capitalism was the overall cause, but* you won't believe me ( - _ -)

    • @MrKT410
      @MrKT410 Před 5 lety +61

      100 million died because some wanted to ban profits

    • @jonathandpg6115
      @jonathandpg6115 Před 5 lety +44

      Nope their lives where lost because pilots weren't trained by the airline.

    • @jesperose3182
      @jesperose3182 Před 5 lety +19

      This reminds me of the DC-10 story. They were rushing the plane and it had fatal consequences

  • @nigelrg1
    @nigelrg1 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This may be an example of the number of huge US corporations that are run by lawyers and accountants rather than engineers.

  • @b8c0n15
    @b8c0n15 Před 7 měsíci

    Nothing like a good old flight crash video to get me ready for a flight

  • @bakaakuma9288
    @bakaakuma9288 Před 4 lety +1991

    noone :
    B737 Max : oh look a penny

  • @bodystomp5302
    @bodystomp5302 Před 4 lety +2098

    Boeing executives should go to prison.

    • @icemachine79
      @icemachine79 Před 4 lety +46

      No, the Lion Air mechanics who cleared an unairworthy plane for flight and the Ethiopian Airlines who hired a first officer with only 200 hours' flying time and allowed him to fly passengers on a plane he didn't know how to operate should go to prison.

    • @bodystomp5302
      @bodystomp5302 Před 4 lety +124

      icemachine79 You obviously don’t know the specifics. Next, please.

    • @TechGamer-yh6mh
      @TechGamer-yh6mh Před 4 lety +102

      @@icemachine79 dude Boeing literally said it was their fault did you even watch the video

    • @icemachine79
      @icemachine79 Před 4 lety +9

      @@bodystomp5302 I figured you wouldn't reply. Somewhere inside that tiny brain of yours you know I'm right.

    • @yajmediajustice7238
      @yajmediajustice7238 Před 4 lety +9

      Herman A last time I check mass slaughter is a crime

  • @W_IAN_U
    @W_IAN_U Před 8 měsíci +2

    Boing should have taught the pilots how to turn off MCAS.

  • @Learner_being
    @Learner_being Před 2 lety +10

    Today this plane again crashed in China, 132 people died.

    • @_gav__
      @_gav__ Před 2 lety

      It wasn’t this one

    • @Learner_being
      @Learner_being Před 2 lety

      But boeing's plane has crashed. You can check

    • @_gav__
      @_gav__ Před 2 lety

      @@Learner_being I didn’t say it didn’t, it was a 737 but not this model

    • @Learner_being
      @Learner_being Před 2 lety

      @@_gav__ ok right

    • @JayJayAviation
      @JayJayAviation Před 2 lety

      Your comment tells me you know near to nothing about this subject and probably should do more research.

  • @jrkingz
    @jrkingz Před 5 lety +3481

    And as usual, they'll get away with it.

    • @imonymous
      @imonymous Před 5 lety +3

      @Jake Johnson Uh... they don't make anywhere near that many models.

    • @thomasche
      @thomasche Před 5 lety +22

      It won't be that easy. People forget until they don't...

    • @parkerjeon720
      @parkerjeon720 Před 5 lety +46

      ToO bIg To fAiL

    • @laughingoctopus8556
      @laughingoctopus8556 Před 5 lety +15

      Thanos dies to Thor before the opening credits, but he has already destroyed the stones. The rest of the movie centers around using the Quantum Universe to retrieve the stones from the past timeline.
      Natasha and Clint go to retrieve the soul stone, with Clint sacrificing Natasha to access it.
      Stark builds a gauntlet to wield the retrieved infinity stones to reverse the snap.
      Banner has become Hulk permanently, but retains his intelligence and memories as Professor Hulk.
      Captain America fights Captain America in the Quantum Universe
      Captain America in the other universe wields the Mjolnir and shield, but Thor still has the Stormbreaker
      Other universe Captain America wears the old comic suit

    • @thetayterminator1436
      @thetayterminator1436 Před 5 lety +15

      @@laughingoctopus8556 Broooooo!!!! Who are you?

  • @31keyser43
    @31keyser43 Před 3 lety +366

    Boeing : « Fortunately, these planes didn’t crash in the US »

    • @adiabd1
      @adiabd1 Před 3 lety +28

      *and no american dead* _sigh_

    • @claudiav2222
      @claudiav2222 Před 3 lety +9

      I heard some 737 max pilot complain to nasa anonymous

    • @NamelessRider
      @NamelessRider Před 3 lety +4

      If they had been flown by U.S. based airlines, this never would have happened. These were both foreign carriers.

    • @thegreenalienlight5444
      @thegreenalienlight5444 Před 3 lety +28

      @@NamelessRider You just assume American Airlines and American pilots are the safest. Have you ever heard of Qantas? Have you ever heard of Air New Zealand? Have you ever heard of Lufthansa? Have you ever heard of Singapore Airlines? Have you ever heard over Eva Air? These are all foreign airlines, particularly the last 2 being from non-western countries

    • @synwei1558
      @synwei1558 Před 3 lety +5

      Yes it’s luck for Boeing bc if any of those planes did crash in the US Boeing is very likely to bankrupt or suffer a greater loss

  • @AudiophileTubes
    @AudiophileTubes Před 3 měsíci +5

    If it's BOEING, I ain't GOEING!

  • @franciscot1903
    @franciscot1903 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Someone should be held responsible for that. A company killed over 300 people for trying to make quick profit, how is that not treated as a criminal offence is beyond comprehension

  • @willyjeff85
    @willyjeff85 Před 5 lety +1133

    OMFG! 2 hours iPad training? LOL! Even we (tramdrivers in Prague) have longer and deeper training when something comes (is implemented) to our trams. I'm shocked!

    • @LemonChieff
      @LemonChieff Před 5 lety +7

      Yeah that's why the planed crashed.

    • @tunkunrunk
      @tunkunrunk Před 5 lety +39

      are they serious ? they have the lives of hundreds of passengers and pilots get trained with a tablet !!! oh my gosh !!! I hope Boeing trial will get live broadcast , so that their responsibility will get revealed to the face of the world

    • @Powderlover1
      @Powderlover1 Před 5 lety +23

      That’s a bit misleading, they had 2 additional hours of training for the max but they have months of training for the 737. Really Boeing should’ve just trusted pilots to know how to nose down.

    • @LemonChieff
      @LemonChieff Před 5 lety +4

      @@Powderlover1 www.theairlinepilots.com/forumarchive/b737/b737memoryitems.php#i
      Those are just the memory items. Although pilots are supposed to know that (thus the name: "MEMORY items") in this case they did NOT.
      Even if they know the memory items but haven't practiced it in the simulator they are not properly trained. I'm sure any pilot would agree.
      Knowing how to do something and training to be able to do it in a crisis are two very different thing.
      Note the final item on the list:
      *STABILIZER TRIM WHEEL - GRASP and HOLD* You go ahead and try that.

    • @LemonChieff
      @LemonChieff Před 5 lety +3

      @@tunkunrunk I think we can all agree they weren't trained properly. In the us idk how it works but in Europe it's generally the airlines which trains pilots afaik.

  • @captaigame1675
    @captaigame1675 Před 3 lety +499

    My cousin was in that Lion Air 610 flight, i felt very sad to see my uncle, aunt, and his pregnant wife cry at his funeral

  • @rchc329
    @rchc329 Před 2 lety +5

    Here again cos of Netflix's 'Downfall: The Case against Boeing'

    • @ahmedsaeedbj
      @ahmedsaeedbj Před 2 lety

      Same

    • @zaijiancelis
      @zaijiancelis Před rokem

      It was just basically a big ‘blame Boeing!’ and not explaining the issues.

  • @leonardferguson4043
    @leonardferguson4043 Před 2 lety +14

    Rip to all the lives lost in the recent crash.

  • @ivomartins1922
    @ivomartins1922 Před 4 lety +2390

    Boeing new slogan: "If it's Boeing I ain't going"

    • @teerasej
      @teerasej Před 4 lety +10

      Ivo Martins count me in

    • @sailorcharlene
      @sailorcharlene Před 4 lety +111

      If it’s Boeing I’m taking the bus

    • @RajanSingh-nh3lj
      @RajanSingh-nh3lj Před 4 lety +32

      To be honest, now whenever I book a domestic flight I ensure that it's not a Boeing.

    • @infinity3016
      @infinity3016 Před 4 lety +10

      their anthem: flo-rida "it's going down for real"

    • @BrucexfromxCanada
      @BrucexfromxCanada Před 4 lety +20

      That, unfortunately is not a suitable ultimate approach that repects the true needs of the whole industry and humanity. We need both Airbus and Boeing as they help to keep each other from becoming dangerous global monopolies. This, and more are socio-economic necessities that befall all humanity in our times.
      However, that also is far from adequate control of the industry. Ultimately the needs and ardour of the adequyacy are much greater than that, and so I refer you to my paste-posted comment here as of Feb 23, 2020 for the morte extensive details.

  • @catalina9844
    @catalina9844 Před 4 lety +1835

    Can’t software their way out of an engineering problem.

    • @frito9008
      @frito9008 Před 4 lety +9

      Catalina i sorry what

    • @chateaupig826
      @chateaupig826 Před 4 lety +41

      he means the plane was too low to the ground for the new engine therefore couldn't get enough lift so they developed a software that pilots were not properly trained about

    • @_-BikerBoi69_-
      @_-BikerBoi69_- Před 4 lety +80

      @@chateaupig826 Actually, the engines were too large, placed further forward on the wing for this reason, and actually created lift. Not a large amount of lift mind, the aircraft wasn't unstable.. but in order to ensure NG pilots can have the same common type rating on the Max, MCAS was used to slightly counter the front lift created by the engines, purely to make the aircraft feel like an NG.

    • @frito9008
      @frito9008 Před 4 lety +2

      chateau pig thanks

    • @colossus1459
      @colossus1459 Před 4 lety

      Exactly

  • @1981jakehamilton
    @1981jakehamilton Před měsícem +4

    Did anyone forget about the whistleblower that got murdered

  • @biro2200
    @biro2200 Před 4 měsíci +6

    how come the ceo of boeing is not in prison

  • @zurdoremi
    @zurdoremi Před 4 lety +2639

    this is a crime and Boeing should be liable.

    • @gfimadcat
      @gfimadcat Před 4 lety +58

      It is, and they should be, but honestly do you think they will be held liable? Things will be settled out of court (for an ungodly sum of money), and then it's back to business as usual.

    • @steven20919
      @steven20919 Před 4 lety +46

      @@gfimadcat That is just how the US deals with stuff like this

    • @Martin0202M
      @Martin0202M Před 4 lety +34

      Americans..

    • @steven20919
      @steven20919 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Martin0202M Precisely, see WW2.vietnam etc

    • @Liliann31
      @Liliann31 Před 4 lety +4

      I totally agree with you

  • @freshredo9491
    @freshredo9491 Před 5 lety +602

    I like how you present this article with diagrams and side comparisons.
    Its by far the best article on the 737 Max 8 crisis.

  • @yes-kk6qf
    @yes-kk6qf Před 2 lety +4

    Imagine being on a plane and all of a sudden you feel the plane going into a nosedive, then a few seconds later, you're gone for good and not returning..

  • @bertblue9683
    @bertblue9683 Před měsícem +3

    Boeing just killed a whistleblower

  • @adapixei836
    @adapixei836 Před 5 lety +592

    You should also add that for a critical system like this, no redundant sensors were added to catch errors that could lead to a catastrophic failure. Oh wait, it was avaible but as an option package that included an extra sensor and disagree light to let pilots know where the problem is coming from. None of the planes that crashed had this package. It was pure greed that led so many lives to be lost.

    • @Skyfox94
      @Skyfox94 Před 5 lety +25

      "Pay extra to not die as easily as you would with the regular package due to a system we installed but didn't tell you about"

    • @parito5523
      @parito5523 Před 5 lety +16

      @@Chris-rg6nm not almost, it Is Criminal

    • @SuprSi
      @SuprSi Před 5 lety +7

      Wow, I didn't know about that, but yes as Harjeenvan said, something so critical shouldn't have been optional. And worryingly the fact those upgrades existed means people knew a failure like this could happen.. Very concerning that they went ahead anyway and didn't even mention mcas in the training material.

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 Před 5 lety +12

      @@robroilen4441 Nah, according to the 737 Max 8 design, they are expendable, as are the passengers...

    • @flyingsquirrel2620
      @flyingsquirrel2620 Před 5 lety +2

      i think all the B737 Max have a second AoA-sensor, but the MCAS only used one of them because the sensors are connected to different flight computers. Now there was an update so both sensors are used.
      The option package showed the live-data from the sensor on the screen in the cockpit.
      But don't quote me on this, i'm not sure.

  • @Nonamelol.
    @Nonamelol. Před 3 lety +820

    I find it disturbing how after 12 minutes the plane just went straight down... Imagine how scary that felt...

    • @brianlaroche8856
      @brianlaroche8856 Před 3 lety

      Fac du

    • @Timeward76
      @Timeward76 Před 3 lety +55

      @Dan Krohn the pilots weren't even taught how to turn it off. Cant exactly blame them for lacking knowledge they were explicitly not given.

    • @Anonymous-tu4pl
      @Anonymous-tu4pl Před 3 lety +32

      @Dan Krohn You cant blame them, They dont have knowledge of the MCAS System. Even they tried their best at the given situation

    • @Anonymous-tu4pl
      @Anonymous-tu4pl Před 3 lety +8

      @Dan Krohn I didnt say that they made no mistake
      I am saying it is a factor but main problem is MCAS
      AND Ethiopian airlines is still under investigation (Wikipedia)

    • @superspies32
      @superspies32 Před 2 lety +25

      At the minute of 12, the MCAS decided to take control of the plane completely. It locked the wheel and pilots cannot do anything to prevent the plane from crashing

  • @billmanassas7746
    @billmanassas7746 Před 4 měsíci +6

    If it's boeing I ain't going

  • @neumon0_
    @neumon0_ Před 2 měsíci +2

    I remember coming home one day and seeing my mom crying while the news was playing on TV after finding out one of her relatives passed. It was just devastating.

  • @doomdylan
    @doomdylan Před 5 lety +420

    I've seen many video about this topic, but this is the best I've watched so far.

    • @DrG65199
      @DrG65199 Před 5 lety +2

      Then you should watch more widely.

    • @doomdylan
      @doomdylan Před 5 lety

      @@DrG65199 Perhaps this is not the best ever, but what's wrong with this video?

    • @Coffeebean1985
      @Coffeebean1985 Před 5 lety +1

      @@DrG65199 which videos do you recommend?

    • @DrG65199
      @DrG65199 Před 5 lety

      @@Coffeebean1985
      czcams.com/video/HBqDcUqJ5_Q/video.html
      He's a pilot and goes through the accident report in detail explaining most things. His other videos also keep you abreast with current developments in the matter.

    • @DrG65199
      @DrG65199 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Coffeebean1985 i give this general advice: if you won't trust Fox because (duh) of the obvious ideological bias, then be aware vox also has a bias, because it has a specific world view. Everyone does. So on a story about plane crashes, maybe you should seek out actual professionals in that field who are aware of the complexities governing the industry, instead of a 6 minute summary by persons who did research on a topical issue to get views as a part of their business model and magically has formed an opinion.
      Or don't. And continue the polarization plaguing our societies. The choice is yours.

  • @pegeonpera
    @pegeonpera Před 5 lety +1522

    "This is an airplane engine"
    Well, it _was_

    • @gen157
      @gen157 Před 5 lety +22

      A bit of hammer action and it'll look good as new.

    • @blackturbine
      @blackturbine Před 5 lety +4

      A lil bit of bynamic balancing and a fresh paint job and it's good as new

    • @GuinessOriginal
      @GuinessOriginal Před 5 lety +8

      I'm sure with the right software update to mcats it will be fine

    • @bowlchamps37
      @bowlchamps37 Před 5 lety +4

      It´s still an engine. Just not working.

    • @BadWebDiver
      @BadWebDiver Před 5 lety

      @@bowlchamps37 Spot on! My thoughts exactly.

  • @yourbuddy6556
    @yourbuddy6556 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Oops we did it again
    Boeing

  • @spikenomoon
    @spikenomoon Před 4 měsíci +1

    Dude all the videos I watched and didn’t comprehend. Now I understand. Great video. Now I need an explanation on how the one pilot saved his plane. ✈️. Please

  • @rudeguyjayce
    @rudeguyjayce Před 3 lety +2483

    Don't mind me, just here because another Boeing 737 crashed in Indonesia.

    • @maryocecilyo3372
      @maryocecilyo3372 Před 3 lety +5

      Sim

    • @loveya8806
      @loveya8806 Před 3 lety +85

      Just heard about it. Praying for all the victims ❤

    • @ajemajh
      @ajemajh Před 3 lety +18

      literally waking up and seeing all of those news on national tv

    • @dandelion5691
      @dandelion5691 Před 3 lety +18

      Yep, kayaknya gara2 stall lagi ini.

    • @dickyramadhan8657
      @dickyramadhan8657 Před 3 lety +22

      @@dandelion5691 yg baru jatoh itu model lama

  • @derkhaslol
    @derkhaslol Před 5 lety +1409

    So Airbus made a high-quality product. And then Boeing had to improvise with a quickly rushed product. Yet everyone bought the Boeing? It´s crazy how often this kind of thing happens.

    • @codecoderr7495
      @codecoderr7495 Před 5 lety +297

      @Zane Huston I am a software developer, hardware engineer and systems research & development specialist. Boeing engineers could not even develop proper maths to predict a disable-mechanism for software-driven sensors (of which at least one of them generated faulty data). This could have easily prevented if Boeing:
      1)
      Engineered a plane whose older model wasn´t not only physically different (fuselage) but also the Turbine Engine physical differences (which decreased stability overall and made the fuselage from an aerodynamics point of view, unstable if ON TOP OF THAT, the nose and the tail of the plane were to move forwards and backwards, gathering strain onto fuselage itself, and then, such tension would move onto bigger turbines, causing the plane to lose horizontal alignment).
      2)
      They suddenly moved from fat-like to thinner fuselages. Where is the physics formula, or calculus explained by them behind the different plane designs they took. Why are they only talking about software improvements. On what basis?
      Seriously. They should've just simply invested and outsourced some of the designs of the MAX 737 and a lot of feedback should have come first before they went selling these killing flying machines.
      Also, Boeing death track record still holds the highest in the planet (flying wise). I mean Boeing should just close all together and outsource at least the maths behind their designs. The moment I heard Boeing was making crew capsules I knew Boeing was killing people out there for money. I mean I grew up staring thousand of deaths in lieu of Boeing "half baked" plane designs. These people are criminals and they should be charged for what they are doing worldwide.
      Airbus is still one of the safest plane makers out there. BTW.

    • @hiro6406
      @hiro6406 Před 5 lety +32

      Refusing to buy Boeing products will cause huge unemployment rates in America and weaken the country's relations with foreign countries because Boeing has numerous factories around the globe and different states in America. Sadly US government is forced to buy from Boeing.

    • @ReasonsWhy1
      @ReasonsWhy1 Před 5 lety

      all FAA approved aircraft are quality.. otherwise they wont be airworthy, and if you mean airbus replacing an engine on a plane is quality, I don't even know why you made this comment.

    • @Quatuux
      @Quatuux Před 5 lety +72

      @@ReasonsWhy1 That's why the FAA is now in big troubles I suppose? Because they do their job properly?

    • @ronb.6582
      @ronb.6582 Před 5 lety +24

      I have piloted both AIRBUS and BOEING aircraft, as well as LOCKHEED, MCDONNELL,DOUGLAS, and CONVAIR. BOEING is second to none. Many commercial pilots have a saying------ If it ain't Boeing, we ain't going.

  • @Istandby666
    @Istandby666 Před 3 měsíci +3

    I had pictures of all the grounded 737 Max 8's at the airport I worked at.
    I think Boeing should wash their hands of the 737.

  • @MrPoornakumar
    @MrPoornakumar Před 4 měsíci +2

    Vox video is noted for its clarity in explaining the issue (it takes a professional to do that).
    Issue with the plane is a design flaw, sought to be corrected through software with fatal cosequences. Software isn't (& shouldn't) be a panacea for all ills or problems, particularly that which bypasses correction by re-design.

  • @avia1256
    @avia1256 Před 5 lety +94

    Sooo 346 lives for the cost of who can sell the most aircraft...
    *wow Boeing you really did it this time*

    • @ruedelta
      @ruedelta Před 5 lety

      I mean, they're going to get away with it.

  • @vincetheboxingdude08
    @vincetheboxingdude08 Před 5 lety +2468

    And some people still say "if we got rid of all regulations the market will take care of everything!" THIS is why we need regulations. Those companies can make their profits back. We CAN NOT get those peoples lives back.

    • @David-ud9ju
      @David-ud9ju Před 5 lety +63

      Well no, you're argument completely fails because we have extremely strict regulations and this still happened. Maybe in a world without regulations, it wouldn't have happened.

    • @tomsriver2838
      @tomsriver2838 Před 5 lety +349

      @@David-ud9ju Are you really that dumb ?

    • @ZarkowsWorld
      @ZarkowsWorld Před 5 lety +93

      @@tomsriver2838 David is partly right - in an true open market there would be no protection for the airplane manufacturers either, they would have been fully open to be sued into the ground by airlines and passengers. We lack this today.

    • @Hermelu
      @Hermelu Před 5 lety +87

      David because whenever there is a single loophole in regulations companies are not abusing that loophole to the absolute legal extend - and often beyond that... They don’t care about anything asides from making as much money as possible. That’s why we need regulations - to keep their raging hunger for money under control.

    • @scriberox1996
      @scriberox1996 Před 5 lety +53

      @@David-ud9ju the FAA did not have the money to conduct safety checks according to the regulations and had to rely on Boeing for that.

  • @shubh_007
    @shubh_007 Před 2 lety +3

    Netflix: DOWNFALL?

  • @johnboy14
    @johnboy14 Před 4 měsíci +7

    It's a bad design. They should have built a new airplane instead of simply trying to maximise profits. Boeing destroyed its reputation with this plane. It should be decommissioned.