One Of These Chests Is Lying, Figure It Out - Mimic Logic
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- čas přidán 15. 03. 2024
- Mimic Logic Part 2 - it's time for an even harder game mode than last time, random mode! Instead of a determined number of mimics, the number of mimics is between 1 and 3, meaning you have to use different and more interesting logic to find the impostors. Fun!
Edited by: Dan White and Ben Ranger
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The box on the right isn't a mimic 🤝 The box on the left isn't a mimic
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Mimics: 2 😨
the box on the right is a mimic, but it’s js not a horse
The box on the the box under
down is a mimic me is a mimic
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The box on the the box above
Right is a mimic 👉 me is a mimic
That's the exact opposite of the liar paradox
The weapon you equipped at 13:29 wasn't actually the Kukri you bought. It was the Power Axe you got at 12:22. That's why your attack went up by as much as it did. (Equippable items are in a separate menu from consumable items; you should also generally just press the "equip best" button whenever your weapon breaks to make sure if you have something.)
I was about to comment! Then i saw your and saw it was already explained for him
There are definitely opportunities to unequip your weapon to conserve durability, either by not having a weapon at all, or by swapping to a weapon who's durability you don't care about.
@@jackkimball521 Yeah that's true. There was an opportunity for that in the video actually! At the point where he equipped the Sapphire Rod (or whatever that item was called) he could've just killed the enemy with no weapon and conserved its durability that way.
There's a red mark on my forehead now after watching this.
2000iq plays determining mimics, 5iq plays determining combat choices.
@@gaskinforeman303Tyler does not pretend to be the best at non-puzzles... It's just on brand for our boy.
I love this game, the logic behind the puzzles is done so well, especially with it being randomly generated
11:50 When a box says "a mimic" it means the same as "at least one", but if it says "1 mimic" it's exact
And he felt so good about using the blue crystal there 😂😅
14:10 was a risk. "a mimic" means any amount while "1 mimic" means exactly 1
Both red could have been lying, there was space for 3 mimics and 1!=2 so black is still lying as proven
Since when is 1 factorial 2?
@@xaviersavard6343 the symbol combination of != is used in programming to denote "not equal" as unicode symbols usually aren't included in general syntax.
@@xaviersavard6343I dunno if you are joking, but != is "not equal to" in programming languages. They essentially said 1 ≠ 2.
@@Ze_eT probably just a joke :D.
I was thinking exactly this! A risky play.
Aliensrock casually forgets that he can put his best equipment between attacks on combat floor and wastes money on a shop weapon while having plenty to equip still
That's the difference between int and wis. Being amazing with numbers and logic puzzles doesn't equate to checking all the menus efficiently and reading all the item descriptions
10:58 careful, that center box could've been a mimic, in which case there'd be 3 mimics, making its statement a lie.
I was about to say the center and right one could be mimics
Another thing is the girl tell you that chest that "tell" on themselves can't lie,like if a top row chest say "theres a mimic in the top row" or a black chest say "theres a mimic in one of the black chest",those have to be true,thats a nice helping hand sometime
Perdón por el español, pero quería aclarar que la razón de eso es que los mimics solo pueden mentir entonces no pueden auto acusarse dado a qué eso significaría decir la verdad cosa que no pueden hacer
Well you can also reach that conclusion with logic. If a black chest says a black chest is a mimic, then it can't be a mimic, since that would make the statement a lie.
It would be in contradiction with itself.
After this game, Tyler could join Frieren's party and together they'd be unstoppable.
If she'd listen
true!
frieren would still risk all of the 50-50s
Remember, the mimic detection spells are only 99% accurate, and the chest could have a grimoire in it.
she'd risk 0.001% chance
18:52 Bro really cleared himself using the liar's paradox
Just wait till a box says "i'm a mimic" and breaks the spacetime continuum
Or even better: the box on my right is a mimic, the box on my left isn't a mimic.
Aliens, to avoid a situation similar to 12:45 you should look at your gear inventory or just click equip best to see if you really have no weapon remaining. Also the kurki does only give +4 attack and you equipped a crystal axe instead, which you still had remaining before buying the kukri.
I’m just waiting for Tyler to melt when a chest says “I am a mimic”
This sentence is a lie
Bout to open this chest wish me luck
Introduction to confused chests: "I am a mimic"
Heyyy!! I was afraid this series wouldn't continue, but i'm happy that it is getting a second part!
Everyone balling until a mimic says “I am a mimic.”
It seems like it might happen in the "Confuse" mode, where there is gonna be one confused chest that is lying but is not a mimic
@@gnarmaw7039 the joke is that “I am a mimic” cannot be true, but it also can’t be false
Is a mimic -> is lying -> “I am a mimic” is true
Isn’t a mimic -> isn’t lying -> “I am a mimic” is false
@@wingdinggaster6737 A mimicking in doubt mode could say that since there Mimics tell the truth, and a confused box could say that as well
13:21 No, wait that's not the weapon you bought/equipped. I don't think weapons and armor show up in your consumable items.
yea it was not. Kukri was better than his currently equipped weapon that is why it said +4.. however he had an even better weapon. It is always good idea to equip the best before going shopping.
Weapons and Armor are gear and they indeed do not show up in your consumable items.
14:10 was actually a lucky 50/50, the red boxes were saying that there were 0 mimics among reds but they could've been both mimics making it a 3 mimic puzzle.
True.
Apparently from another commenter, something Tyler probably didnt know because he skipped the intro. If a box talks about itself, it must be telling the truth
@@melon_grove5694 doesn't it apply only if the box is telling on itself? If for example a red box says "there's at least 1 mimic among red boxes", then it logically be a mimic, since a mimic always tells a lie, and if it was a mimic, it would be telling truth, which mimics can't do.
I'm so excited for the higher difficulty dungeon types, seeing tyler solve doubt or confusion will be fun
Hah yea! Took him 35 minutes for this one though but he is smart surely he can do it :D. Doubt is the one i find confusing and confusion i just find a bit harder because of an extra liar in every puzzle.
imagine your minding your business taking a nap when someone forcefully rips your mouth open and takes your loot
You have been doing Level 1 of each dungeon (at 21:05, I see you did Random Level 1). If you repeat a dungeon, the game offers you higher difficulty levels. If you can, conquer some Level 4 dungeons in the videos, because those are the hardest levels of each dungeon. (Level 5 dungeons have lower difficulty but are much longer in exchange.)
10:55 I think if the center one was a mimic this would also work
@@Excludos middle one + 2 actual mimics, there is no lies from other boxes in that case, so there could be 3 mimics and it was 50/50 guess
@@Excludos It is possible.
If mimics are in the middle middle, middle right and bottom right everything checks out. The top 2 are safe and that is another solution that he missed making it 50/50 ( or something like that depending on how likely 3 mimics are compared to 2 mimics in random )
@@Excludos you're assuming that the right one is a mimic and then that it tells true. If the right one is a mimic - it lies, so you have not 5 but 3 mimics because top 2 are safe
Actually there's pretty sound logic to this one. The top two chests are either both mimics or are both telling the truth, if we assume the top two boxes are both mimics, then bottom row black chest is lying making it also a mimic, bringing us up to three mimics making the middle chest a mimic bringing us up to four mimics, that's not possible. If we assume the top two chests are not mimics then middle row right chest is a mimic because it's lying about the top row meaning we have one mimic in the red chests making bottom row black chest a mimic as well giving us exactly to mimics making the rest of it true
@@michaelness5606 well @Excludos deleted his comment so I guess he agrees as well ^^. So yea definitely possible that the 2nd option where top 2 are telling the truth and the midle midle, midle right and bottom right are mimic stands. Did not see anyone disputing this yet :).
10:45 the middle box can still be a mimic
yes together with the middle right and bottom right nice catch ;)
10:56 that middle chest is actually a 50/50. Because if its telling the truth, then it would correctly be saying its 2 mimics. However, if it was a mimic and it was lying, then it would be 3 mimics total. Tyler got pretty lucky that it wasnt a mimic
Actually there's pretty sound logic to this one. The top two chests are either both mimics or are both telling the truth, if we assume the top two boxes are both mimics, then bottom row black chest is lying making it also a mimic, bringing us up to three mimics making the middle chest a mimic bringing us up to four mimics, that's not possible. If we assume the top two chests are not mimics then middle row right chest is a mimic because it's lying about the top row meaning we have one mimic in the red chests making bottom row black chest a mimic as well giving us exactly to mimics making the rest of it true
@@michaelness5606 yeah but if the red chest in the middle were a mimic along with the right and bottom right, that would be three, making it a lie
It fulfills its own statement either way; if it’s telling the truth it makes sense, but if it’s lying it would also make sense.
All we know for certain is that it’s always the mimic on the right and bottom right
@@michaelness5606 okay, however, if the middle box isn't a mimic, then there would indeed be 2 mimics (i.e the middle box is not lying) and it wouldn't be contradictory
and if the middle box is a mimic, then there would not be 2 mimics (i.e the middle box is lying) and it again wouldn't be contradictory
8:28 The right four boxes are all vouching for each other in a chain. They can't all be mimics so none of them are.
10:03 "At least one box of a set that includes me contains a Mimic" is always true, unless there is only one box in the set, which would be self-contradictory. (The actual box has different wording which I find confusing so I simplified it here.) A similar thing happened at 18:53 but Tyler noticed it that time.
13:23 Possession 1, so you already had one...
This game's really shows the power/importance of proof by contradiction. Really cool game! Would love to see more.
This seems like a really fun series. Would love to see more. Keep up the great work Tyler!
I feel like GUT doesn't refer to hunger, but trusting your gut, so to speak. As you spend time figuring out puzzles, you are using said gut. Need to fill it before you can't trust your gut any more and have to go fast and die. (Ironically, from trusting your real life gut as you have to go faster.)
Then why does eating increase your GUT
stress eating lol?@@gamezone2996
@@gamezone2996hmmm some food for thought right there
Yea.. interesting idea but GUT seams to just be what a translator uses as opposite word for hunger. Satiation basically. Your idea stands nicely until the point gamezone pointed out that eating increases it at which point it kind of gets weak.
Shame i like the idea otherwise :D.
I feel like i could take on a gorrilla after 3 ham sandwiches@@gamezone2996
Use Weird med on rooms with enemies, 11:05 Weird med if u get stas up works only for one room. Your attack goes to 32 after drinking it and goes down after u leave the room.
1:44 i did NOT expect to see dont starve in an aliensrock video
why would you not expect to see a very popular game as a reference to something he said?
people always gotta feel special lol
You've reached the end of the dungeon. In the center of the room lies a large golden treasure chest! Your reach down to pry it open, then pause when the chest suddenly speaks: "This box is a mimic."
Please do more of this! It’s awesome!
Pro tip, if youre fighting multiple enemies, and one is at extremely low health, youre better off attacking the other enemy on the off chance that Nasha decides to use magic, which hits all enemies in the room.
it's great to see Aliensrock having lot's of fun with this game you can really tell.
I love this game! Thank you for entertaining us Tyler!
11:00 while you could confirm that the middle right and bottom right boxes were mimics, you couldn't be sure the middle box wasn't. If the middle box were lying, that wouldn't contradict with any of the rules of the truth tellers or the inverse rules of the liars. It was a fifty-fifty whether it was a mimic or not. You got lucky.
Tyler, right after getting an new weapon
"Smh i need a weapon fr fr"
I immediately went to buy the game after watching your first video on it and I've been having a blast going through all types of the dungeons. I think you'll enjoy them as well.
Also, you can click and hold to make any action faster, as in chest opening, combat, and consuming candies.
Since all of them can talk, they are all mimics, but only some are hungry.
B16 10:02
You got real lucky there, because it was also possible for the centre box to be a mimic and have everything still make sense. I'd have used a crystal ball on it.
Your ability to logic out these puzzles amaze me. I would have been eaten several times over because I struggle to slow down and read things correctly.
10:57 you got lucky here. The middle box could have been a mimic as well, making for a total of 3 mimics.
For anyone wondering about the new modes:
Robbers: there are robbers that always tell the truth, but steal all your gold when opened.
Number: the chests tell you how many mimics are around it, the mimics have a fake number.
Doubt: mimics now tell the truth, but all normal chests that are the same color as the mimic lie (if a mimic is blue, all non-mimic blues will lie)
Confuse: there are confused chests that will always lie but are safe to open.
I’m assuming that at these dungeons the chests are gonna say things like: “the chest on the right is a robber”.
@@philipgarritsen5162 It does, some that I've found say something like "there is a/no robber among (color) boxes" in the robbers dungeon
@@philipgarritsen5162 yea the chests will claim things about both mimics and robbers giving you less hints on average for each so its kind of tricky. It might be the toughest dungeon overall since very often there is not enough information to do anything smart but there are ways to dissect it.
Robbers actually only steal 100 gold so it is totally worth to open all the safe boxes if you know where the mimics are even if you do not know the location of robbers. you still keep all the gear and get a bonus for opening boxes. my first finished robber run i left way to many boxes unopened and it was super close.
Numbers is basically like a minesweeper with 3x3 field and while most boxes say a number of mimics around them the middle one always ( and sometimes 1 more ) says a normal statement like usual.
In confuse there is always exactly 1 extra liar compared to what you would see on standard. So for puzzles with 1 mimic 1 confuse will be added which always lies but is like you say safe to open, making 2 lairs in total. For puzzles with 2 mimics there will be 3 liars total.
Cheers!
4:40 Without any other information, the bottom middle one must be true. If it was false, then it would be a mimic, which would mean that the bottom has at least 1 mimic and thus the statement is true. Therefore, it must always be true in all circumstances.
Got lucky at 14:12, both red boxes could have been mimics
True :). They definitely could have been. He got lucky :D. There is a very subtle and important difference between exactly 1 ( there is 1 mimic ) and 1 or more ( a mimic / 1 or more ).
I also wish he did not edit out all the struggle that is the most fun part to see how people think and stumble :D and retrace steps back and forth until everything falls into place but I am sure there are also people who appreciate that videos are not to long.
I love this game but also the editing is amazing
11:13 medicinal effects dissipate between floors.
wouldn't the middle mimic at 10:55 be a 50/50? bec if it was a mimic then there would be 3 mimics and its statement would be false
i think you are correct. if middle middle, middle right and the bottom right are mimics all 3 are lying. Seams like a valid second solution. So 50/50 indeed he lucked out.
Your videos are always great and make my afternoons a lot better, thank you Tyler.
Your commitment to skipping lore and dialogue is rivalled only by my dad, who, when confronted with a cutscene, will simply get up and walk away 😆
10:50 That was actually pure luck. The box in the middle was unsolvable since its either saying the truth and there is two mimics or its lying and it is the third mimic. It basically said "Im not a mimic"
Loving this video series!
8:50 the way you solved it is the reason you have 1 and 2 markings available, you can just mark them with 1s and 2s and then deduce which one is true and which one is lying
Tyler won a 50/50 at 10:58 , as there is no way to tell if the middle box is a mimic, since there are 1-3 mimics and 4 confirmed non-mimics and 2 confirmed mimics, the middle box could either be telling the truth and not a mimic, or lying and be a mimic with no repercussions elsewhere. (Assuming "2 of these boxes contain a mimic" means the same as "exactly 2 of these boxes contain a mimic", which it does since 12:33 happened)
Tyler also won another 50/50 at 14:11, Because both of the red boxes could have been mimics following similar logic
A trick for harder levels, Tyler - if you have more damage than you need to kill an enemy, and more than one weapon, it can help save durability on your best gear to switch to your weaker weapons
EDIT: 12:46 - Tyler straight up forgets he has a spare weapon... my man......
"There's a mimic among my group" is an excellent way to clear yourself
Just want to point out the black box states only 1 mimic exists, the blue chest should have been fine.
There are different levels on the same difficulty, the last one you get to play 100 floors
I really like the editing
Id love to see more!!
10:37 you got lucky there mate.
The middle box could have still been a mimic.
The status of all other boxes were correctly deduced and you had 2 known mimics.
The middle box said that there are 2 mimics in total.
They appear to be telling the truth, however you forgot that that statement would only be true if the middle box wasn't a mimic.
Basically, both the world where the middle box is a mimic, and the world where the middle box isn't the mimic, are viable worlds there.
Oh finally, part 2
10:50 the box in the middle could also be a mimic. That is a brain fart risky play.
The highlighting is so good.
These are the most entertaining boxes I've ever watched
This game is awesome! Looking forward to the other gamemodes
10:44 was a risk. The middle box and the box to the right could have both been mimics.
True.
love this series
they're both mimics, chests dont talk, next puzzle
I absolutely love this game!
you are ungodly good at this game
It's a surprisingly fun game! I can't wait to see more curios mimic's accusations.
Looking forward to the next episodes!
8:28 has a peculiarity with the wording. A chest that says "The box on the left isn't a Mimic." is actually referring not to the box to the furthest left, but the box left from me. I assumed it was referring to the left-most box (thus in the middle row), because otherwise it would've used the same wording as all the other boxes that say "from me".
10:49 The box in the center could have been a mimic because if it were, it would have been the third mimic, itself.
21:22 "Yay, harder puzzles"
I love this concept
1 mimic:
"It's the 3rd, if I'm the 1st"
"Phrase below me was said by a Mimic"
"I am not a Mimic"
"Phrase Above me is said by a mimic"
"There are only 1 false statement"
"The mimic is vouching for itself"
"It's seriously obvious"
By the way i notice you ignore some of the people in the town, the farmer gives you tips, but the others can let you gamble your money, or improve durability, or other things
At 19:10 the bottem left could be a mimic because if he was a mimic there would be 2 mimics in bottem row so he would be lying
The Weird Medicine only worked in the one room. So he took it, spiked attack up to 32 then went down stairs and lost it. 🤣🤣🤣
Great video 👍
10:58 is a risk because nothing else confirmed the middle chest was good. the only proof was that there were 2 mimics but if it was also a mimic it would have been lying.
This is like minesweeper except my brain hurts infinitely more trying to figure out how it works
0:23 "The top row has at least one mimic" from a chest in top row - it is automatically true. Any chest that claims that a group it belongs to has mimics is saying truth, because if it is a mimic, it makes its statement true, resulting in contradiction, as mimics always lie.
confusion is VERY hard, good luck whenever you get to it
"I am a mimic."
Really love this series!
Also, you shouldn't waste the durability of a good weapon if you can already kill the enemy with a weaker one.
One thing that Tyler seems to be missing (at least early in the video) is if a mimic in the bottom row say "the bottom row has at least 1 mimic" then it must be telling the truth. Same with top row saying top row, left say left and right saying right.
And the same rules apply if a colored box says there is a mimic among boxes of it's color.
I’m loving this game
"There is a mimic in red box" from a red box is automatically true.
Every time you get to a new puzzle I pause to see if I can solve it on my own, and I’m very proud to say I’ve always come to the same conclusions you do. Do I do it faster? I don’t think so, but I get there eventually
Love watching you play this game. I hate doing the actual logical thinking.
at 18:03 you didnt have to equip a new weapon, your fist damage wouldve been enough, could save durability from equipping only weapons with lower strength where its needed
RPG maker games have a lot of variety and creativity in how they play.
I think the weapons work literally the way they say. they add the TOTAL value of your attack+4(Kukri), so if you have 10 attack, equip the Kukri, you add 14 attack to your stats. 10+4
If I ever find myself in a situation where I need to solve a puzzle or die and I get to choose someone to help, I’m picking Tyler. Either he will solve it and I live, or I die entertained.
The gameplay still continues
0:00 Bye guys, Tyler there
imagine you walk into a room with one chest that says "I am a mimic."
“Green is a mimic”
“I am a ✨HORSE✨”
Great thumbnail.