The Vortex Beater vs. the Phantasm - which is better?

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  • čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
  • Terraria's penultimate ranged weapons - which one is better?
    The third of the pillar comparisons.
    Which one is better? It's a battle of convenience versus pure efficacy.
    Sometimes, being lazy and loving the convenient option is the way to go forward - or at least, that's what I think.
    Note: You should probably use both - maybe Phantasm then Beater - when fighting ML. It's better, though this is an analysis using only one. Also, Phantasm's risk factor changes when you turn down the difficulty.
    Music:
    Terraria - Aether
    Terraria - Town Day
    Packs & Shaders:
    Mods: Fancy Lighting, Lights and Shadows, Atmospheric Torches
    Pack: Foundry & Alchemy
    0:00 Introduction
    0:24 An overview of the weapons
    1:10 Initial assumptions
    1:26 For The Moon Lord
    3:33 For Events and Other Such Things
    4:03 Conclusions
    4:45 The Very End Conclusions
    Terraria's penultimate ranged weapons - which one is better?
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Komentáře • 373

  • @Terraw
    @Terraw  Před rokem +337

    Note: this is my opinion on the subject and my word is not law. Have fun
    Tl;dr: Vortex Beater better for ML, Phantasm better for most other things. I still rated Beater higher since to me, that juicy progression is the most important. Of all the comparisons, the Vortex Beater/Phantasm is probably the closest, since I don't expect Stardust Cell Staff to be able to equal the Dragon lol

    • @lilvampire7439
      @lilvampire7439 Před rokem +13

      Your word IS law, random 16 year old terraria CZcamsr.

    • @williamvance5362
      @williamvance5362 Před rokem +2

      so you completely ignored one aspect.The arrows that the phantasm shoots home in so even if you miss you have homing arrows.Also chloropyhte bullets can still miss.Im not saying phantasm cannot miss but for moonlord the sheer burst to get the top eye down since lets be real you always have it on screen when its up.Is much more useful .while vortex beater may have better accuracy aslong as you know what ur doing you can easily beat moonlord with a phantasm.

    • @gsamov
      @gsamov Před rokem +3

      im sorry too sound like a broken record, but "just aim" is still possible if moonlord is offscreen
      make it so the map is in the background and then just estimate where each eye is (or if you're playing modded you can probably find a mod that makes the eyes appear on the map)

    • @zkksch
      @zkksch Před rokem +1

      On the second stage there is no reason to keep ML offscreen, because even keeping his core on the edge of the screen is enough to make true eyes fell off behind before the first laser attack, and on that stage aiming perfectly is pretty easy because ML moves same way as you, so you just need to keep cursor in one place most of the time.
      Also on your footage VB does like ~2.5k dps (and because aim is perfect wtih it we can assume that you had same dps all the time) if we take calculator, moon lord has 277k hp, and with 2.5k dps you need almost 2 minutes (~1:50) to beat him. From my expirience phantasm beats ML on MM in like 1:00-1:20 (depending on how aggressive is your build, 1:00 with 3 damage accs, 1:20 with one). So "at 1 minute mark" is a pretty strange way to present results because it's like 1:20 vs 1:50.

    • @DustVisor
      @DustVisor Před rokem

      @@lilvampire7439hahaha lol

  • @maxliu1099
    @maxliu1099 Před rokem +1124

    As a mage player the only thing that I’ve learned from this ranger review is that the razerblade is amazing

    • @guardian8193
      @guardian8193 Před rokem +80

      As a person who has only done mage play throughs I can confirm that the razorblade is def amazing

    • @cazuelagb
      @cazuelagb Před rokem +45

      ​@@guardian8193 As someone who has never played Mage, i cannot say that it is amazing

    • @parkernark
      @parkernark Před rokem +5

      I haven’t really like the razorblade since the nerf

    • @yeeterdeleter0117
      @yeeterdeleter0117 Před rokem +9

      ​@@cazuelagb as someone who has done one mage playthrough, I can say I used it.

    • @angl0ni488
      @angl0ni488 Před rokem +7

      Yes this is true but night glow can out dps it and is homing

  • @foresty2245
    @foresty2245 Před rokem +221

    FINALLY, A SERIES OF WEAPONS REVIEW THAT DOESN'T JUDGE ONLY THE DPS

    • @chasefray
      @chasefray Před rokem +14

      @@HumanoidDerpling sock's content is misinformation 90% of the time and he deletes comments calling this out but alright

    • @Vepzzzzz
      @Vepzzzzz Před rokem +14

      @@chasefray i havent seen much if any misinfo on his vids, elaborate?

    • @chasefray
      @chasefray Před rokem +24

      @@Vepzzzzz - he's advocated for how "good" weapons like shadowbeam staff, candy corn rifle, nightglow and blood thorn are when in reality they're all mid/bad and outclassed at their stage (blood thorn is comically bad lmao)
      -he genuinely thinks sand gun (which is also comically bad) breaks prehm
      -while a bit subjective, he considers vampire knives overrated for some reason
      -he made a video on desert tiger staff (an actually good weapon) but literally never mentioned what makes it good (which is firecracker), and instead makes the weapon looks worse than it actually is somehow

    • @Vepzzzzz
      @Vepzzzzz Před rokem +7

      @chase1354 I mean, shadowbeam and candy corn arent terrible weapons. I do use them from time to time, they certainly have their uses. I won't deny they're outclassed but I don't think even he says they're the best of their tier. I think he just likes to discuss why they aren't *bad.* But you are absolutely right about the desert tiger lmao firecracker is great

    • @albuspercivalwulfricbriand5363
      @albuspercivalwulfricbriand5363 Před rokem +2

      @@chasefray vampire knives are hugely overrated tho

  • @chaoticpemmins748
    @chaoticpemmins748 Před rokem +584

    Now that you've established Phantasm as the skill based weapon, literally every Terrariatuber is going to pick it over the Vortex Beater

    • @DustVisor
      @DustVisor Před rokem +2

      Haha true

    • @Rubyllim
      @Rubyllim Před rokem +2

      Assuming they dont already hybrid kekw

    • @damnthisisabadname
      @damnthisisabadname Před rokem

      I think everyone knows that

    • @wormie6100
      @wormie6100 Před rokem +5

      Phantasm actually is better than sdmg 🤓🤓🤓

    • @Dario__
      @Dario__ Před rokem +17

      "Skill based weapon"
      Keep the boss off screen and keep firing

  • @ariepaul8647
    @ariepaul8647 Před rokem +434

    What about the fact that the Vortex Beater is ridiculously loud?

    • @derinbecel
      @derinbecel Před rokem +88

      Settings -> Volume -> Sound: 3%

    • @chixchaxchooxchaixcherx
      @chixchaxchooxchaixcherx Před rokem +4

      thats the only reason why i dont use it

    • @galecrystal3792
      @galecrystal3792 Před rokem +34

      What's worse is the firing sound plays twice per shot, which I'm pretty sure is *why* the thing is so loud.

    • @CopiHuman
      @CopiHuman Před rokem +34

      makes it even cooler

    • @tellierbop
      @tellierbop Před rokem +18

      Ears issue

  • @CreativelyJake
    @CreativelyJake Před rokem +135

    i just think the phantasm is so freaking cool. like yea, so is vortex beater, but god those phantasmal arrows? they feel so sick when they speed up...

    • @eddeddeeddee6491
      @eddeddeeddee6491 Před rokem

      TRUE

    • @demoralive9107
      @demoralive9107 Před rokem

      It feels sh*t, despite being a bow majority of arrow's range is so sh*t that I feel like i m holding a kid's bow than an actual bow. I have to aim at 60 degree angle just to hit a goddamn zombie at 30 block distance. Like wtf are these fkin arrows? Even normal arrow in real life move faster with less drop in height

  • @GitGudWO
    @GitGudWO Před rokem +6

    I knew it, I knew my most favorite weapon (Vortex Beater) wouldn't disappoint me, even though Phantasm is slightly better in some cases, Vortex Beater just feels more satisfying to use imo

    • @DarkShard5728
      @DarkShard5728 Před rokem +2

      Verified youtuber comment with no likes, older than most comments. That's rare.

    • @chasefray
      @chasefray Před rokem +2

      calling phantasm "slightly better in some cases" is the understatement of the century

  • @julesmcbride2692
    @julesmcbride2692 Před rokem +22

    I think this is the most well designed pair of lunar weapons in terms of risk and reward. Phantasm's higher damage demands more skill, whereas the Beater's consistency and safety is paid for with lower maximum payoff.

    • @Fusion237
      @Fusion237 Před 9 měsíci +1

      “Master mode moon lord does so much damage”. Mm moon lord also has 311k health and barely getting 2k dps with damage accessories is not cutting it.
      They both have homing but phantasm also has like 5-6k dps so I’d say it’s better

  • @ivorymagnus7347
    @ivorymagnus7347 Před rokem +4

    "you can't just aim at this distance"
    Sniper scope: Am I a joke to you?

  • @felixisoutplayed5678
    @felixisoutplayed5678 Před rokem +180

    Personally, I would prefer the phantasm for it's speed

    • @lilidiot-
      @lilidiot- Před rokem +8

      And I prefer the phantasm only in modded, since calamity adds terra arrows and phangasm. Terra arrow make more arrow, and you get it.

    • @korayacar1444
      @korayacar1444 Před rokem +4

      ​@@lilidiot- phangasm is post-ML, phantasm is still preferable for beating ML for the first time if you're going for a bow as i understand it (it worked for my master revengeance run)

    • @korayacar1444
      @korayacar1444 Před rokem +1

      ​@@lilidiot- also if you're going for phangasm, you might as well use the life steal arrows for free regen or the elysian arrows for damage, terra arrows are outdated tech by then
      edit: brain gave out while writing this, fixed an error

    • @lilidiot-
      @lilidiot- Před rokem +3

      @@korayacar1444 I like seeing lots of projectiles on my screen

    • @korayacar1444
      @korayacar1444 Před rokem +1

      @@lilidiot- are the elysian meteors somehow worse than what the terra arrows offer in terms of projectile spam?

  • @exquisicy5429
    @exquisicy5429 Před rokem +78

    1 thing to mention: you can consistently hit moonlord with phantasm off screen since he goes at a constant speed towards you, and if you know where the hands are and can account for the arrow dropping, you can get good DPS on moonlord from afar

    • @VasiliyOgniov
      @VasiliyOgniov Před rokem +7

      However it is unreliable and really hard at best (at least compared to the homing of bullets) and outright impossible considering need for dodge

    • @olixx1213
      @olixx1213 Před rokem +10

      @@VasiliyOgniov not really
      Phantasm is my ranged weapon of choice even for modded difficultied
      Aiming really isn't hard

    • @help_1742
      @help_1742 Před rokem

      If your really struggling use chlorophyte arrows and shoot down. They home like nano bullets now

    • @tabithal2977
      @tabithal2977 Před rokem +2

      ​@@VasiliyOgniov really hard at best? What game are you playing lmao

    • @Dario__
      @Dario__ Před rokem +1

      Underrated comment.
      3rd phase is really viable at closer range with for example paladins hammer, horsemans blade, starlight, etc

  • @SulfuricDoor
    @SulfuricDoor Před rokem +1

    Very convenient this was uploaded. Im like at the end of my range class playthough and it's my first time doing just ranged so i've been learning a lot.

  • @GreenShinyPentagon
    @GreenShinyPentagon Před rokem +2

    Okay I really love your editing with the text and images, seems useful, what may you use to edit?

  • @gamesolution-me7lp
    @gamesolution-me7lp Před rokem +8

    love the fact that everybody fights on which Vortex weapon is the best when you literally can just use them both and just have fun with it.
    This is why I love this game.

    • @yakobsoulstorm5187
      @yakobsoulstorm5187 Před rokem +3

      Well not really. The last ranger armour before Vortex is Shroomite, which has three different helmets that boost arrows, bullets and everything else respectively. So you technically *can*, but it's not like the other classes where your damage buffs are universal.

  • @Nutellagott
    @Nutellagott Před rokem

    You continued the pillar weapon series :)

  • @heyyanewbie
    @heyyanewbie Před rokem +44

    I have played the ranger class many times, and i can easily say your exlanation on the Vortex beater being better when the moon lord is off screen is absolutely correct, and possibly the best strategy to beat it is to take down the eyes asap with the phantasm, then going almost out of range, trivialising pretty much every attack that it has
    Although, i much prefer the rewarding playstyle of bursting it down with the phantasm the entire way, paired with magic quiver and its upgrades, it does an incredible lot of damage

    • @solomonbyrne3909
      @solomonbyrne3909 Před rokem +1

      Right. Beater is what I use when I want to win. Phantasm is what I use when I want to be proud of my win

    • @Fusion237
      @Fusion237 Před 9 měsíci

      @@solomonbyrne3909opposite for me I just beat for the worthy and I got to say 2k dps is not it. Phantasm also has homing. Arrow drop off isn’t a problem with Ichor and a quiver.

  • @mrscrunklebot
    @mrscrunklebot Před rokem

    This new video is gonna be awesome.

  • @valti223
    @valti223 Před rokem +3

    2:20 actually, if you use the background map (press tab twice) and you place your crosshair on the icon of the boss on the map, you will hit him (assuming that you use a pinpoint accuracy weapon, vortex beater will miss due to the spread)

  • @raidcrhonos
    @raidcrhonos Před rokem +2

    Eagerly waiting for the next one as summoner is my favorite class

    • @lsswappedcessna
      @lsswappedcessna Před rokem

      Summoner is the only class where you can just vibe. During bosses you might want to use a whip to coordinate your attacks, but events are a cakewalk with Terraprisma and full stardust armor. Terraprisma kills everything far away, Stardust Stand goes ham on anything that slips through the cracks. It gets even more insane if you multiclass, using your army of terraprismas to kill EoL a second time for another one, and then build Zenith. Sure, you'll be minmaxed for summoning, but Zenith will still absolutely wreck non-bosses and pre-hardmode bosses.

  • @sax7760
    @sax7760 Před rokem +4

    The vortex is sooo good against Day time empress. Its so comfy to use

  • @redruelo7875
    @redruelo7875 Před rokem

    This was amazing 👏 🙌

  • @oopsies4155
    @oopsies4155 Před 8 dny

    Fun fact: Vortex beater before the release of 1.3 (as seen on the 1.3 minecart video) was called "Black Hole Beater". Which sounds cooler ngl

  • @psachickennugget8617
    @psachickennugget8617 Před rokem +21

    Imo, Phantasm is more satisfying as the arrows hitting the enemies just feels much better than the green bullets, and that’s all that matters to me.

    • @Fusion237
      @Fusion237 Před 10 měsíci

      Imo I feel phantasm is better just because I usually skip chlorophyll ore and hallow or hybrid set for the whole run

  • @Braulio_Cyberyisus
    @Braulio_Cyberyisus Před rokem +3

    Can you make a video talking about Hallowed armor? Because I think its the best armor for melee due to it's buff that makes you dodge an attack.

  • @Rubyllim
    @Rubyllim Před rokem +7

    I'd say phantasm simply cuz it does more dps in most situations, it is the endgame bow after all

  • @roarofgoomy
    @roarofgoomy Před rokem +4

    YES I needed this video, about to fight ML for the first time
    edit: what texture pack do you use?

    • @gaelonhays1712
      @gaelonhays1712 Před rokem +1

      Foundry and Alchemy. Check the description.

    • @mrsmoothbrain9589
      @mrsmoothbrain9589 Před rokem

      i used vortex beater but if u use phantasm make sure to hold the fire button so it is faster

  • @Mrpovea
    @Mrpovea Před rokem +4

    ...I kind of feel that most of the merit that this review gives to the vortex beater is actually from chlorophyte bullets, rather than the beater (since if you don't have chlorophyte bullets, you'll miss every shot, and only the rockets would hit)

  • @amog8202
    @amog8202 Před rokem +1

    2:18 Senpai noticed mee!!! 🥺
    Tbh my lack of chlorophyte ammo is best attributed to only getting chlorophyte once for the Armour and never again :P
    Besides missing or hitting is half the fun

  • @_Exalted_
    @_Exalted_ Před rokem

    Your texture pack looks awesome! What’s it called?

  • @korayacar1444
    @korayacar1444 Před rokem +15

    So long as you strategically keep only one or two of the eyes offscreen (which can be done over a horizontal platform or by moving horizontally with a flying mount in a specific way), you can fight ML while relatively safe from its attacks. Combine that with the damage output of Phantasm with Chlorophyte arrows and good aim, and you'll see why I've never bothered with the Vortex Beater.

    • @HiddenBush64
      @HiddenBush64 Před rokem

      Chlorophyte arrows?

    • @HiddenBush64
      @HiddenBush64 Před rokem

      Those bounce off walls, why would you use that

    • @korayacar1444
      @korayacar1444 Před rokem +1

      @@HiddenBush64 high base damage for an arrow type only beaten out by cursed and venom, also you can shoot straight up at the start to chunk the top eye for free, and you should have plenty to go around since it's also the best arrow type for the pillars due to its homing, which especially gives nebula floaters a hard time if you use it well

  • @decayingscavenger
    @decayingscavenger Před rokem +4

    More people need to put a list of texture packs they use, some of them look really good that I might even want in my worlds, also what's the pillar texture pack?

  • @prototype1.096
    @prototype1.096 Před rokem

    This is a great comparison rather than comparing their raw stats your making the scenario that is always pre moon lord as a ftw master mode player raw dps usually can't get you many places I enjoyed this comparison a lot considering I never new why I always preferred vortex beater

    • @DocPanda-dq3ks
      @DocPanda-dq3ks Před rokem

      The reason I prefer Tsunami to the Phantasm. Also As far as I remember Tsunami was even better for a period of time, not sure if in raw DPS but more shots hit due to the phantasm shots being too slow/late

  • @ailtonjossimarjoveltorres5915

    What is the texture pack you are using for the pilars?

  • @disturbedpictures12
    @disturbedpictures12 Před rokem

    Yo, what mod did you use for the pillars designs?

  • @rigelstarz6032
    @rigelstarz6032 Před rokem

    OH COOL ITS A PILLAR REWORK
    its been so long

  • @RalorPenwat
    @RalorPenwat Před rokem +1

    Tfw summoner last as always. (mostly joking) For real, though, I'm excited to see your takes on the summoner weapons. Personally, I probably undervalue SDragon, but I feel like most people overvalued it before targeting became a thing, so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

  • @xjjay554x
    @xjjay554x Před rokem +10

    Archery potion makes the phantasm win pretty easily

    • @russman3787
      @russman3787 Před rokem

      It's very odd that A) Ranger and mage are the only classes that get class specific damage potions and B) The Ranger one applies only to one type of ranged weapon.

    • @basil4154
      @basil4154 Před rokem

      @@russman3787i mean summoner and melee get imbues which are really strong anyway, and actually the summoner does have a summon potion which gives +1 summon

    • @russman3787
      @russman3787 Před rokem

      @@basil4154 Yeah, I thought about mentioning the summon potion but I felt like it was a bit different mechanically.

    • @basil4154
      @basil4154 Před rokem +1

      @@russman3787 i get it, to me the archery potion is strange but the mage ones are an obvious things since mages are sorta related to potions and such, the archery potion is handy tho!

    • @russman3787
      @russman3787 Před rokem

      @@basil4154 Yeah I agree with everything you said there.

  • @gengarisnotinsmash...
    @gengarisnotinsmash... Před rokem +6

    I don't know what gear you used (I assume you used optimal damage setups), but if you didn't for some weird reason, it's worth noting that the phantasm (and bows in general) have a noticably higher damage output potential than thier gun counterparts due to the presence of the magic quiver. This is a very strong buff that guns straight up do not get an equivalent of, unless you want to count the sniper scope or something (which I'm pretty sure is a weaker buff anyways).

    • @Terraw
      @Terraw  Před rokem

      Yes, I used the Magic Quiver (unless you use arrows that already have an x2 velocity multiplier; in that case, using a Ranger Emblem or some other accessory is better).
      The Phantasm absolutely has a better damage potential, but you need to get closer to take advantage of it since you lack homing. Phantasm is probably superior in Classic and Expert, but since I tested on Master, I found the Phantasm's close playstyle to be a bit too dangerous.

    • @gengarisnotinsmash...
      @gengarisnotinsmash... Před rokem +2

      @@Terraw actually, now that I think about it, that makes another significant difference between phantasm and vortex beater (and I'm kicking myself for not mentioning it because it's relevant in my ranger playthroughs): if you use phantasm, you likely will want to use both ranger emblem and magic quiver, which can crowd your accessory slots. This may mean you need to give up another accessory to fit both on and maximize the phantasms damage output, especially on classic or expert where the former only has 5 slots and the latter has powerful boss accessories. Typically, I end up dropping terraspark boots lategame as fishron wings compensate with excellent air mobility, on top of the fact I use master ninja gear for its excellent dash and the unicorn mount if I really need to travel fast on the ground. But the vortex beater straight up doesn't need to make this decision and can more easily fit the accessories it wants.

    • @idonthaveanameyetsothiswil4182
      @idonthaveanameyetsothiswil4182 Před rokem +2

      terrasteel did you only use 1 quiver or all 3

    • @ryebreaddesalsa8157
      @ryebreaddesalsa8157 Před rokem +1

      Not sure if it was used but bows also have archery potions

    • @shalvei_
      @shalvei_ Před rokem

      @@idonthaveanameyetsothiswil4182 I believe they only stack velocity, not stats nowadays

  • @lsswappedcessna
    @lsswappedcessna Před rokem

    note: terraprisma exceeds both of the stardust pillar weapons in my experience, and can be gotten much earlier if you can get lucky with a daytime EoL fight. Not sure what your findings will be while working on the Stardust Pillar video, but that's my two cents.

    • @denisucuuu
      @denisucuuu Před rokem

      that's like saying Tsunami exceeds Daedalus Stormbow and can be obtained earlier. yes... but it's extremely difficult to do that

  • @gildedrevenge279
    @gildedrevenge279 Před rokem

    Holy shit what’s that pillar texture pack?

  • @cyanaquamarine
    @cyanaquamarine Před rokem +1

    You could not be anymore right when devising your conclusion, but there are some I would like to add/critique:
    I feel as if you overestimate arrow drop in terms of difficulty aiming. Sure, it will never be as accurate as Chlorophyte Bullets, but with reasonable judgement you can land consistently.
    How I see it, Vortex Beater works great if you lack confidence or are wanting to secure a win without much hassle. If you're one who has done one-too-many Master/Legendary runs, and have borderline mastered Terraria, Phantasm easily prevails. :]
    Great video regardless, keep it up my man!

    • @Fusion237
      @Fusion237 Před 3 měsíci

      Yes but if your playing on master mode a longer fight means u might make more mistakes. 2k dps is not cutting it. Phantasm has barely any arrow drop and does massively more damage

  • @rah1333
    @rah1333 Před rokem +2

    i would like to mention the underrated topic of chlorophyte arrows
    using an arena which has enclosed in walls to an extent can cause arrows to rebound which deals good damage this helped me a lot in the moonlord fight so i would choose phantasm
    my opinion so i got good dps with this add dodging ultimate bow strat

    • @heyyanewbie
      @heyyanewbie Před rokem +1

      >arena which has enclosed in walls
      yeah good luck being obliterated cause the walls were blocking where you need to go

    • @damnthisisabadname
      @damnthisisabadname Před rokem +2

      Except you can just aim with venom arrows and that will deal more damage even if your aim is imperfect

  • @DIMOHA25
    @DIMOHA25 Před rokem +1

    Just aim crowd is right though. I could reliably hit Moonlord with the arrows offscreen. The extra arrow generation makes it perfectly clear when you're hitting vs not. Allows you correct your aim on the fly no problem.

  • @boi16hyper16
    @boi16hyper16 Před rokem

    Does the Vortex Pillar actially look like that now or is that a resource pack?

  • @anana9072
    @anana9072 Před rokem

    What's your opinion on Chlorophyte arrows tho, Mr. Steel?

  • @alexandrosstavrou4224
    @alexandrosstavrou4224 Před 4 měsíci

    Whats the best bow overall?

  • @sibylla3051
    @sibylla3051 Před rokem +20

    the phantasm deals more damage than the vortex beater since the vortex beater with chlorophyte bullets focuses more on dodging while the other kills as fast as possible whatever's in front of you

    • @saulgoodman9449
      @saulgoodman9449 Před rokem +4

      the phantasm also deals more damage than the sdmg with both using luminite ammo

    • @stourmz
      @stourmz Před rokem +4

      convenience vs efficiency, but it ultimately boils down to preference

    • @damnthisisabadname
      @damnthisisabadname Před rokem

      @@saulgoodman9449 Not since the quiver nerf, but its close

    • @saulgoodman9449
      @saulgoodman9449 Před rokem

      @@damnthisisabadname actually? cus i still have it doing way more damage than both options
      even if it isnt as strong anymore, it’s still the most fun option for me so I would still use it, especially because the sdmg is such a boring weapon and same with the luminite bullets

  • @armyidiot
    @armyidiot Před rokem +2

    While good arguments all around, I will argue that both weapons are not what you would be using in either case against the Moon Lord or for the Pillars, especially considering the cost of making Vortex Armor. The Chain Gun and the Tsunami have superior single target damage (except maybe against the slightly more unreliable Phantasm) and the Snowman Cannon excels in group damage. Both categories of Gun and Launcher are succeeded by the SDMG and the Celebration MK2, while the Phantasm competes with the Tsunami for strongest bow. In my Ranger playthroughs, unless I'm doing some kind of archery challenge (a fun one, I will say!), I tend to save my fragments for the armor and craft the weapons as an afterthought for my collection.

    • @olixx1213
      @olixx1213 Před rokem +1

      Phantasm is much better then tsunami
      Its by far the strongest pillar weapon in term of dps

  • @CryoflareTheWolf
    @CryoflareTheWolf Před rokem

    Even tho i use both to moonlord, (phantasm for the eye and beater for when he is offscreen) id still choose the beater(tho most of the time i can craft both if i convert the other fragments)

  • @elitobin
    @elitobin Před rokem +1

    If you are making a video on the stardust I definitely feel like the dragon is better than the cells the same way the vortex beater is better than the phantasm

  • @killuasbetter3247
    @killuasbetter3247 Před rokem +3

    Man, I use Tsunami more than I do the vortex beater. Though I do use the slow-moving one (don’t remember name) a lot during moonlord, mostly whenever I make my transition from left to right, it does a LOT of damage if it hits

    • @Fusion237
      @Fusion237 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Tsunami is just op and imo the dps is to low to use the beater

  • @juno9486
    @juno9486 Před 10 měsíci

    I feel like guns generally outclass bows as soon as chlorophyte bullets become available. I love using bows, I did a bow only run a while ago, but it's a lot more active and aggressive using bows.

  • @lukaschen3009
    @lukaschen3009 Před rokem

    Would you mention terraprisma when ranking the stardust weapons? Since people argue whether the dragon staff or the terraprisma is the better one against ml

    • @Pyrothepyro1
      @Pyrothepyro1 Před rokem

      hes just gonna do the dragon and mini star cell staff

  • @whole_wheat_soup9321
    @whole_wheat_soup9321 Před rokem +1

    Personally i found zenith seed moon lord easier with phantasm, since being too far away limits your ability to see the phantasmal rays and incoming projectiles so you get git more often, so being closer allows you to see the eyes while also gwtting more damage. Still took a long time but vortex beater didnt do nearly enoufh damage. So in the higher difficilties, (past master mode so ftw) i think the phantasm is actually a bit better

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 Před rokem +1

    Vortex beater is genuinely one of only 2 machine gun-type weapons in the game that I actually use. All the rest are a massive wastes of recourses; expending several times the ammunition of their high damage-per-shot counterparts for only slightly better, equal, or outright worse results in terms of overall DPS.
    Where the VB differs is in the highest chance not to consume ammo in the entire game, which more than makes up for the high fire rate. It also, as it should, specializes specifically in pillar busting and the moon lord fight.

  • @fero_101
    @fero_101 Před rokem

    What is the resource pack

  • @nonenone-hv5iq
    @nonenone-hv5iq Před rokem +30

    As someone who does phantasm moon lord, I'd say while vortex beater is easier, phantasm's higher skill cap does make it more effective at times.
    Also with lumenite arrows it goes kinda crazy but at that point nothing else to use them on, so....

  • @pearlwoodsword5965
    @pearlwoodsword5965 Před rokem

    i think its more of comparsion between bullets and arrows bcs well u should vompare them with basic ammo if there would exist homing arrows then phantasm would perform much better

  • @stephaniethebatter7975

    Well, if you only got the Vortex Beater and went on to lose to Moon Lord, at least that would make your second attempt against the Lunatic Cultist easier, and you could do the Vortex Pillar again first and craft Phantasm to make the rest of the pillars much less of a pain. That sounds like a really good plan.
    Though I'm primarily Melee/Magic so... what would I know about fully ranged playthroughs? I just wipe everything out with my Terra Blade.

  • @adamgarbaczewski
    @adamgarbaczewski Před rokem

    I always prefer guns over bows, and thus I craft Vortex Beater, also because I like Chlorophyte Bullets homing, just like Terrasteel said, you can keep your distance while doing damage.

  • @StephenAT530
    @StephenAT530 Před rokem

    whats the texture pack your yousing?

  • @Louiessss
    @Louiessss Před rokem

    The Chlorophyte bullet vs. the Phantasm - which is better?

  • @Atychi_nc
    @Atychi_nc Před rokem +1

    My god isachooten I miss him

  • @constellar6330
    @constellar6330 Před rokem

    As a guy who has beaten Expert ranger a day ago after some time, I consider Phantasm better just because i can combine it with Holy arrows, but Vortex Beater is better for faster bosses like Moonlord, but maybe i just cant aim well😅
    note: this was written as my personal opinion before i saw the video, i then realized you explained everything lmao

    • @olixx1213
      @olixx1213 Před rokem

      Archery potion and quiver makes arrows pretty fast

  • @lucky73287
    @lucky73287 Před rokem

    Make a video about chloryphite arrow PLEASE They are do underated

  • @jakubmalinowski1474
    @jakubmalinowski1474 Před rokem

    I am personally trying to craft both. Phantasm guarantees instant 5k dmg if you shot Arrows towards space 10 seconds before moon lord spawns. That thing guarantees damage to middle Eye which is the most difficult to deal with and is very good on last phase of moon lord when you have to shoot the core. High dps and pretty constant position of core which is always vulnerable to all hits after dealing with eyes is more profitable for phantasm. But before this phase, most of the time vortex beater is more reliable and almost always guarantees you that moon lord wont regenerate health because chlorophyte bullets target always closest target.

  • @fabio5286
    @fabio5286 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I didn't see nobody talk about how useful the sniper scope is for dodging moon lord at long distances, making the vortex beater + cloro bullets even better.

  • @popocaca2174
    @popocaca2174 Před rokem

    Pls upload this resourcepack

  • @CedrickAbad
    @CedrickAbad Před 2 měsíci

    I think phantasm is good for moonlord in any difficulty if you use jester arrow as it arrow speed is fast and doesn't affected by gravity giving you much more distance to dodge it's phantasmal deathray.

  • @XxXpotatogamingXxX
    @XxXpotatogamingXxX Před rokem

    whats that sword thing on your back??? plese tell

    • @robiemendoza384
      @robiemendoza384 Před rokem

      Umm you don't know the terraprismer or your talking about the wings that he have just look up the dev wings in the wiki

    • @XxXpotatogamingXxX
      @XxXpotatogamingXxX Před rokem +1

      @@robiemendoza384 yeah i know that now you didnt have to be rude about it

  • @sbananaboi
    @sbananaboi Před rokem

    What about clorophyte arrows?

  • @help_1742
    @help_1742 Před rokem

    I find the phantasm more useful because bows have 2 really good arrow speed/damage buffs: the magic quiver and the archery potion

  • @Jerrowashere
    @Jerrowashere Před rokem +2

    The pillar texture is sick fr fr

    • @Terraw
      @Terraw  Před rokem +4

      Since I’ve seen a lot of people ask for the pack (even if it’s in desc) I’ll put it here: Foundry & Alchemy
      (Not sure if you already know, but others may read this)

    • @Jerrowashere
      @Jerrowashere Před rokem

      @@Terraw neat

  • @catnip5315
    @catnip5315 Před rokem

    Yknow...I've tried master bows only and my opinion on phantasm on ml fight...it isn't that bad actually. Using holy arrows were...not ideal but using venom arrows however... I felt like moonlord was melting that day

  • @khaledalmofleh568
    @khaledalmofleh568 Před rokem

    I played terraria for so long that i dont even touch bows unless it was early game wooden bow same with calamity

  • @mochii.lifeless
    @mochii.lifeless Před rokem

    phantasm is a very good youtuber :)

  • @oXGoldenHeartXo
    @oXGoldenHeartXo Před rokem

    WHY ARE VENOM ARROWS SO UNDERRATED?! THEY'RE GOOD!

  • @moistisprobdead
    @moistisprobdead Před rokem

    personally I’d say it’s preference since I like the phantasm more

  • @ponocni1
    @ponocni1 Před rokem

    I like that you actually took chlorophyle into account. Also to all people telling learn to aim. Every missed shot is dps loss and nobody has perfect aim while dodging all shit on screen. I will take reliability over higher potencial damage.

  • @Mk_n00b
    @Mk_n00b Před rokem +1

    I love the vortex beater

  • @blank_e1
    @blank_e1 Před rokem

    Did they nerf crystal bullets? I thought those did the most dps and I killed the moon lord with that for my first play through

  • @hehuhu5213
    @hehuhu5213 Před rokem +2

    Definitely the bow
    Cuz the gun is loud AF

  • @dalf_souls2199
    @dalf_souls2199 Před rokem

    1:08 daedalus stormbow??

  • @phoenixgoose8844
    @phoenixgoose8844 Před rokem

    Just occurred to me I’ve never went ranged for pillars

  • @GigaChad1401
    @GigaChad1401 Před rokem +5

    Is it actually that hard to hit bosses off-screen? I only have a little more than 3k hours in Terraria, but I don't know when I started to do that. Thus, I can't evaluate the benefits of chlorophyte bullets.

    • @crystallize4940
      @crystallize4940 Před rokem

      Yes...especially on mobile tho...

    • @gsamov
      @gsamov Před rokem

      also the map helps greatly, just press tab a couple times until the screen is flooded with the map and you can use that (along with a brain) to hit bosses offscreen

    • @chasefray
      @chasefray Před rokem

      it isn't actually that difficult to hit bosses offscreen, but it's still worth mentioning since more casual players might struggle with it

  • @everettgaspar3482
    @everettgaspar3482 Před rokem

    I’ve always thought it was the vortex blaster lol

  • @Eyedonutno
    @Eyedonutno Před rokem

    I like bows because they look cool, so I tend to pick the phantasm

  • @SD8bit_
    @SD8bit_ Před rokem

    I really wish there were a true homing arrow or bow because correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't one

  • @xanthousizalith5641
    @xanthousizalith5641 Před rokem

    I prefer the Vortex Beater since I prefer the speed of bullets over the more power arrows, although honestly imo all the best bows have special effects, so why use Ichor Arrows when a Normal Arrow gets turned into a beam of light or a flying bat or any number of other projectiles.

  • @wyattkacewich7154
    @wyattkacewich7154 Před rokem

    if going range ur most likely going to get the gun from moon lord and u mite as well get the phantasm so you will have the best bow and get a gun right aftor

  • @rigelstarz6032
    @rigelstarz6032 Před rokem

    did you just use a zelda thumbnail background for 2 terraria weapons

  • @chomperch1757
    @chomperch1757 Před rokem +2

    Vortex beater without chlorophyte bullet is goofy.

  • @damonvannostrand858
    @damonvannostrand858 Před rokem

    I can aim with a bow (and I find bows more fun) so I don't use vortex beater very often

  • @Ratsacker0269
    @Ratsacker0269 Před rokem +1

    As a summoner „main“ you have to be in there anyways so I am way more used to the high dps low survivability close combat playstyle

  • @CalamitasBrimstoneWitch

    'Just aim'. Heh- As someone who CAN aim, it ain't that easy when a boss is off-screen. You gotta calculate when they'll be open to bullets, and which parts, for moonlord in particular, with it's few weak points and opening/closing eyes.

  • @xXTheDarkOne666Xx
    @xXTheDarkOne666Xx Před rokem

    vortex beater is the best feeling gun to shoot its unrivaled for me

  • @fancyincubus
    @fancyincubus Před rokem

    Why not both

  • @gearettex
    @gearettex Před rokem +1

    Vortex cuz THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK
    Phantasm if i feel like hearing the game

  • @parkernark
    @parkernark Před rokem

    I think the ideal tactic I have discovered is to just carry 7+ weapons in your hot bar at all times and keep different class armor sets in your inventory as well

    • @INTRUDIC_H0ST
      @INTRUDIC_H0ST Před rokem

      So... you just run every class just in case you need to swap from Summoner to Ranger

    • @lsswappedcessna
      @lsswappedcessna Před rokem

      Especially with the new outfit hotkeys in 1.4.4. You can play two different classes and have your last set be for building, with one or two summoner accessories so you can have a few terraprismas or stardust dragon attacking random slimes that show up.

  • @justyourusualDoktah
    @justyourusualDoktah Před rokem

    Ive always prefered phantasm for moon lord and vortex beater for pillars