I love it how Bioware finally put more character development into Shepard on an emotional scale, it really shows that Shepard is under a massive amount of stress, plus the PTSD of being blown up in ME2, then having the fate of the galaxy rest on his hands in ME3, because deep down, he knew he was fighting a losing battle, even if he said he was hopeful.
Shepard's efforts are admirable, but he's only one guy. his crew is only one crew, and they found out about the coming invasion too late, and with too little proof to convince anyone to do anything about it. Even the delusional lose hope eventually, and Shepard knew EXACTLY what he/she would be up against. - The entire series first hints at, then tells you, and then finally slams it like a jackhammer with each game the whole way: you CANNOT win against the Reapers as a whole without major interference from a previous cycle and knowing what's coming CENTURIES before the next cycle begins so that you have time to prepare. Make your alliances, gather your forces, summon your greatest heroes....there are simply too many of them, they're simply too advanced, and simply have too much experience fighting civilization after civilization.
@@pawe1721 in retrospect, I was explaining this to my best friend the other day. -- shepard literally had 16(?) hours to dream after the vision he received from the beacon on eden prime. it doesnt mean the vision was a dream because we know it wasnt, but the council does refute his claims, calling it a "dream". the entire game is intertwined with shepard having visions. having it in mass effect 3 wasnt an afterthought. just a progression, from visions to processing loss. its a quirk. a possible 6th sense that they could have made into one of shepards abilities. but they did not because its cliche
@@mikespam8271 for me control is pretty much the best option, even if Shepard didn't want it at the beginning, but look at it like that: red ending destroys Reapers but also Geth and EDI what you don't want, but Shepard survives. Synthesis lets everyone, apart from Shepard survive, but you play god and change the genome of organics and you give the synthetics free will, is playing god something Shepard would do? Okay, it might be the best solution listening to the Catalyst, but this way you're doing pretty much the same thing Salarians did with the Krogan, you give them technology and opportunities they're probably not ready for yet. And with control, Shepard lives as the Guardian and a legend, Reapers now help rebuilding what they destroyed and probably even make it better, and the one that controls them is Shepard, so the one who is totally capable of doing this not like the Illusive Man who sacrificed his mind on his way to unlimited power and infinite control
+Rasin Bran If it were indoctrination, Shepard wouldn't be holding strong to his/her belief that the Reapers deserve to be destroyed, especially during conversations with The Illusive Man. Think about it. When you are indoctrinated, you lose the ability to think for yourself and you don't realize it, you become a a puppet who trusts in the beliefs of the Reapers without question, you trust in them and what they believe in. What Shepard actually is going through is having his/her naturally strong willed nature being slowly eaten away by his/her doubts and fears based on the knowledge that not everyone will live to see a Reaper free Milky Way galaxy, no matter how hard he/she tries, no matter what choices he/she makes.
Even though it has many discrepancies. Indoctrination works that way too, you believe in something with every fiber of your being even though there is the likelihood that it isn't true, you lose all awareness of alternative outcomes.
It's P.S.T.D.. Shepard has never been indoctrinated throughout the games, Virgil on Illos confirms this for ME(1). Casey Hudson confirms this for ME2 and ME3.
I am the very model of a scientist salarian, I've studied species turian, asari, and batarian. I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology). My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a scientist salarian.
Personally, I'd have preferred the dream sequences to be bits of your Shepard's pre-ME1 past and psych profile depending on what you chose: Examples: Spacer - Chasing the child down a corridor on a ship Colonist - Running from Batarian slavers on the destroyed colony Earthborn - Running thu a run-down street after the child War Hero - holding off Batarian pirates until the dream ends. Sole Survivor - Running from a Thesher Maw as soldiers die Ruthless - Murdering every Batarian you see
I don't understand why The Crucible hadn't fired.... I had done everything in my power... 😓 Also, am I the only one who expected Shepard to cry at one point in the game? Not so much ME2 or 1, but in this game I expected him to. Kind of wanted him to actually... To show that he's still human. We (as the audience) would've related to him more
If female Shepard romances Thane in ME2, in the "Citadel DLC" she will cry when she watches Thane's love video after his memorial, when you "invite Kolyat."
Joey King the more you fight......the more you suffer.....the more humanity you lose. It kills your ability to feel, especially to show it. The deeper you go down that dark hole the more alone you feel. Tears become......you want to cry and scream but you can't. This is why Shepard holding on to their love interest is so important in my mind. Keeps them......alive.
zanebrunes45 I think that’s a very valid reason why during the Citadel DLC Shepard gets visibly upset and even angry with their clone. They’re trying to throw away, discard, destroy the very family that Shepard has found. The one thing that is holding him/her together and keeping their humanity and by extension, sanity in check. Legion: We will do the same for Normandy. Liara: You mean Normandy’s Crew. Legion: We do not see the distinction.
Combine them to fact that dreams also have Reaper voices in background, whispers in mind and oily shadows which Rachni queen describes as symptom of indoctrination. Fans also digged infrasonic noise in these scenes. They are not just ones personal dreams.
I dont think there's a game out there that hit the feels harder than Mass Effect 3 ... Sure, it couldve been better, but what we got was still a damn masterpiece.
I feel music like this makes me wander inside myself, searching for the answers to all the questions I ask myself. I wonderful yet terrible feeling, music that can do that to you is simply amazing in my mind.
I dunno man. The scenes where ur running through a burning forest chasing the kid with ghosts around you were really good. The reason they chose that to be his nightmare is because Shepard felt responsible for the childs death. Just like he feels responsible for everyones death. In one of the nightmares you hear the ppl that died say things, like Mordin, and Legion, and Kelly Chambers for me since they all died for me. Say what u want but these scenes perfectly brought out my emotions.
The first time I saw the dream, I didn't get it. The second time, I started to suspect. When we saved the Krogan and she dreamed again, I knew. It was all starting to take its toll on her mind, (and already did once) body, and heart. War always does; no hero is invincible. Not even Shepard.
Es inefable poder explicar el sentimiento que te hace sentir esta melodía, pero es preciso aclarar que, ha sido, sin duda uno de los juegos de acción más emotivos y atrapantes del último tiempo. Gracias Bioware por crear un juego tan especial como lo fue Mass Effect
This theme has helped me so much, sleeping, depression, relaxation. Honestly it’s ridiculous how much I play this. Might sound silly but The day I die I would happily want this played in my funeral. Truly a masterpiece.
The dreams that meant nothing. The little boy that meant nothing. The catalyst should have taken the form of someone important to Shepard, like the crew member who died at Saren's base.
That would've been nice. The only good thing about the dream sequences were that you vaguely heard the last words of your fallen crew members echo in the background. Do this day it still eludes me that no one during development thought "hold on, this child dream shit is fucking stupid".
I believe the child was was important to Shepard as by watching his dead it became somewhat of a symbol of Earth he was trying to save. But we all lived the game in different ways, so yes, some of us will be satisfied with the solution, some of us didn't.And Ashley as the Catalyst? No, thanks. But were we all happy with the game overall? Probably yes (if we can forget the original endings). I sure was!
+Mel Thorn Not sure how much sense that would have made, though I suppose it'd make as much sense or more than what we got. The same logic applies to the Star Child concerning "why didn't they just activate it from the inside?".
I remember just sitting there in that burned out forest listening to this and the voice of Ashley telling me to save Kaidan *tear* ..simply the best game there is.
What? EDI in Synthesis "to reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine" Sovereign "There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine" Catalyst "Organics will be Perfected...Synthesis is the Final Evolution of life" Harbinger "We are the Harbinger of your Perfection" Sovereign "We are the Pinnacle of Evolution and existence" So no.. by choosing Synthesis, Shepard does not fuck over Reapers at all...
If you listen very carefully at certain points in the dreams (without the music playing), you might hear a very faint but robotic voice saying "Serve us".
Does anyone else want to see the hero of ferelden and commander Shepard to team up in some alternate universe and save the Milky Way galaxy side by side?
Anderson : "You ever wonder how things would've been different. How our lives would be different...if this hadn't happened?" Commander Shepard : "Sure." Anderson : "I never had a family Shepard. Never had children." Shepard : "Have we enough time for that now?" Anderson : "I think that ship has sailed. What about you? Ever think about settling down?" Shepard : "Yeah, I like the sound of that. Not sure if I'm good at talking about that." Anderson : "I think you would be a great mother." Shepard : "Aha." Anderson : "Sure you would. Think how proud your kids would be. Telling everyone their...their mom was Commander Shepard." Shepard : "I don't know about that. Not everything I've done is something to be proud of." Anderson : "God, it feels like years since I have sat down." Shepard : "I think you earned the rest." Anderson : "Hmm." Shepard : "Stay with me. Were almost through this." Anderson : "You did good child, you did good. I'm proud of you." Shepard : "Thank you sir. Anderson? Anderson?"
Ah, the good ending. Probably the best option if not the inconsistency. Anderson has a family, he has, actually had an ex-wife and two sons, you find about them in the Liar of the Shadow Broker in the files and in Mass Effect 3 in Anderson's apartment. But still, great job done with this ending
Also the reason I think the dreams should be based on Shepard's past history because it fleshes them out more. In the 1st dream, you could have the past history (i.e. the horrors of surviving Mindoir or Akuze etc.) and in the 2nd, you could have those who have more recently died partly because of Shepard's choices, like Ashley/Kaiden, Wrex, Mordin and/or Legion. There are so many variables, which would've made it interesting. They should've made those that died actually appear in the dreams.
A lot of people were pissed about the ending, and I don't blame them. I was kinda disappointed too, however, I knew that no matter what the ending would have sucked. You just can't close out a series like this in a good way. I really enjoyed the journey getting to the ending though, I even cried a little as Thane died.
A great idea. And, so they build, the first nightmare is just where Shepard was born from. The second acts out his psych profile, and the third combines the two and includes the haunting of which ever (if any) of the close characters Shepard lost throughout the trilogy... Like murdering Wrex with Batarians for ruthless, and glimpses of other squadmembers whispering Shepard's guilts.
I've read quite a lot of of the ME universe fanfic,comments theories that Shepard was indoctrinated by Harbinger and the reason for those dreams that he had where part of Harbinger's plan to break Shepard's will to fight, that the second Shepard was hurt by the Reaper shooting at him he all imagined or (dreamed) of the final scene in the citadel while he was uncouncious when the beam attack was lauched.Those choices that where given to him when he reached the citadel where to fool him, that he was in the reapers subcouncious level. If he chose synthesis ot control end, game over only destroying them is the option that i see. I will post now a quite good fanfic story that made me think a lot. www.fanfiction.net/s/8035991/1/Mass-Effect-3-Aftermath And for the last i recommend reading it with some good Mass Effect soundtracks Cheers!
Of course, that isn't the case. Casey Hudson confirmed that the Indoctrination Theory is false. Änd for those still believing; the refusal ending also disprove the theory.
The boy is just a symbol of many, not someone who is personally valuable to Shepard. If it was, it wouldn't work for Catalyst to both took his form after he is killed by Reapers and try to persuade Shepard to pick anything other than Destroy and that Reapers are necessary and good guys.
Shepard doesn't regret it, because the boy refused her help, rejected her hand to start with. His death wasn't Shepard's fault. All the death on Earth is not Shepard's fault. On the other hand, in the third dream she sees herself dying with the kid. Dream sequences don't make sense without IT.
Dream sequences, along with the voices & Reaper sounds & infrasonic noise within them, are the reason I will always strongly believe in Indoctrination theory until Bioware disproves it. They are way too shady.
Those who died do apear, but only voices are heard. I could hear Mordin and Wrex, which made me really sad, as I had just sacrificed Mordin... This game is a masterpiece, hands down. No movie, book or other game is as emotional as this.
I think its more deep than that i always thought it was Shepard having doubts if he/she can save everything that boy is the humans and all other life and no matter how fast Shepard runs he/she will never catch up and everything will burn away in the end. Shepard having doubts they can pull this off, Shepard is only human even the bravest people can have doubts mainly when its this big.
To be quite honest I think the theory is true but Bioware never intended to reveal it immediately after release which is why the original cut was so short because it wasn't meant to even be real. But then the fan reaction to the ending was so bad that they had to do something, so they just added to the hallucination. I guess we won't ever really know for sure until ME4. "lots of speculation for everyone" they said...
you got a point. I think that boy is most significant loss. Those shadow silhouettes are repesenting the other people and those voice ecoes representing Shepard's dead friends
That's because it is :D Well, almost, it uses the same chords but it just varied the rhythm of the notes in the melody. If you listen to 'An End Once and for All' that is another variation of 'Leaving Earth', same chord progressions and everything. One of the things ME does very well is using motifs and reccuring themes in it's music, it's fun to listen to them.
Every Zelda game is a top of the line gaming experience that few other games can compare to. Just because they dont run in a sequence of 1, 2, 3, 4, like Halo, does not diminish the amount of fun you have while playing it. If anything games like Halo and Mass Effect get old the longer the series because of similar gameplay where Zelda constantly has unique and new ways to play like using the Wii controls to swing your sword. The broken sequence of events makes it easier to bring in new ideas.
Well, it was just a quick idea really. I agree they brought emotions in me, too. It's probably because I kept Mordin and Kelly alive, hence why I just hear one voice or two (i.e. Legion) that I felt something was missing. I wanted to save as many people as I could in all three games since my first Shepard was a Colonist who had lost their family at a young age.
Mass Effect is a true classic game kind of reminds me of a war that we will never see but we will fell it from the news and media but a war is coming very soon we will all have a role play in this war that is coming soon there is no good or evil we will pick a side may god be with you
you will see what i'm talking about, look closely to the eyes of Shepard, they are turning purple exactly the same color of Saren's eyes when he was indoctrinated ;)
When you try to survive in the station, and after many waves of ennemies there's a large beam coming from the Reapers Artefact, Shepard falls down, and he sees Doctor Kenson differently (with some weird shining eyes), anyway she says : That they need Shepard alive. She was indoctrinated, leaving Shepard alive was a part of the plan of the Reapers. Finally i agree with 1vaultdweller, the indoctrination process takes end in the final scene of Mass effect 3, if you choose Synthesis or Control, you
Benezia was influenced because she was inside Sovereing remember in Mass Effect 1 ? She said that Sovereign had some kind of influence on the people who were aboard Sovereign. But Shepard never got inside a Reaper Ship, there's only one exception, it was an abandonned Reaper ship on Mass Effect 2, but that one was completely unfoctionnal. Let's say that the indoctrination process started in the Arrival DLC...
Others aboard the 'dead' reaper were indoctrinated. . Though they were aboard longer .. I'd think he/she was on there long enough for it to start . Plus as you mentioned with object Rho.. (honestly I didn't notice you mention the iff so I apologize for that )
Shepard keeps thinking back to that boy because she regrets not being able to save him, especially since that Reaper shot that transport right before her very eyes. Also, I think the boy is representative of all of the people who have died. In my playthrough, the voices you hear in the dream are of people who have died; if you don't have subtitles on, it's really hard to make out what they're are saying.
I always choose the renegade responses to the Catalyst, so yes, I think it's lying/withholding information. The thing is, if Shepard was "only starting" to get indoctrinated until the ending, where he was presumably rapidly indoctrinated, then he would become a husk basically. TIM and Saren were high-functioning victims, and they require months or years of constant exposure. Shepard was not, obviously, since he did not further the Reaper's goals.
was dissapointed to, then when i played the whole game again with the EC i just understood it and now i am truly amazed by the endig its so great, epic and realistic i only feel sad the story is over could play 10 more of there games
Shepard's goal throughout the series is to stop Reapers, whether if YOUR Shep aims to save as many people she can or not is YOUR choice to play as either PARAGON or RENEGADE; which are the main two conflicting themes centered as the engine of ME's narrative. That said, it makes zero sense for EVERY Shep to regret not trying to save everyone, because the renegade Shepard have done much worse to galaxy already by that point. Plus, ME never had a pro-earth, a humancentric narrative.
Nononononononononononono. Leaving Earth is the name of the track that plays in ME3 when you...leave Earth. The 800% slower bit is referencing a series of videos that use some program (I think the usual is PaulStretch in Audacity) to slow down a song to the point of it sounding nothing like the original. For a while you could type in any pop song and "800% slower" after it and you'd get a video. I was just saying that I think the composers used a similar process to those videos.
Arrival isn't mandatory to import into ME3, so that doesn't make any sense for someone who has a Shepard who didn't partake in the Alpha Relay thing. So it either happened in ME1 or 3, as ME2 only has a single significant reaper encounter (The derelict)
I love it how Bioware finally put more character development into Shepard on an emotional scale, it really shows that Shepard is under a massive amount of stress, plus the PTSD of being blown up in ME2, then having the fate of the galaxy rest on his hands in ME3, because deep down, he knew he was fighting a losing battle, even if he said he was hopeful.
Yeah, they could've do it maybe a lil better but what we got was good enough! :D
Shepard's efforts are admirable, but he's only one guy. his crew is only one crew, and they found out about the coming invasion too late, and with too little proof to convince anyone to do anything about it. Even the delusional lose hope eventually, and Shepard knew EXACTLY what he/she would be up against.
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The entire series first hints at, then tells you, and then finally slams it like a jackhammer with each game the whole way: you CANNOT win against the Reapers as a whole without major interference from a previous cycle and knowing what's coming CENTURIES before the next cycle begins so that you have time to prepare. Make your alliances, gather your forces, summon your greatest heroes....there are simply too many of them, they're simply too advanced, and simply have too much experience fighting civilization after civilization.
@@pawe1721 in retrospect, I was explaining this to my best friend the other day. -- shepard literally had 16(?) hours to dream after the vision he received from the beacon on eden prime. it doesnt mean the vision was a dream because we know it wasnt, but the council does refute his claims, calling it a "dream". the entire game is intertwined with shepard having visions. having it in mass effect 3 wasnt an afterthought. just a progression, from visions to processing loss. its a quirk. a possible 6th sense that they could have made into one of shepards abilities. but they did not because its cliche
"Does this unit have a soul?"
Ro Deo The answer to your question Legion...is yes.
Tali Zora vas Normandy to Legion during the end of the Reclamation War. Year 2186
Yes, yes it does .. which is why I can't bring myself to pick destroy
In honor of legion and all geth I pick control
I can't kill them
No.
No one does.
So you're just like us.
@@mikespam8271 for me control is pretty much the best option, even if Shepard didn't want it at the beginning, but look at it like that: red ending destroys Reapers but also Geth and EDI what you don't want, but Shepard survives. Synthesis lets everyone, apart from Shepard survive, but you play god and change the genome of organics and you give the synthetics free will, is playing god something Shepard would do? Okay, it might be the best solution listening to the Catalyst, but this way you're doing pretty much the same thing Salarians did with the Krogan, you give them technology and opportunities they're probably not ready for yet. And with control, Shepard lives as the Guardian and a legend, Reapers now help rebuilding what they destroyed and probably even make it better, and the one that controls them is Shepard, so the one who is totally capable of doing this not like the Illusive Man who sacrificed his mind on his way to unlimited power and infinite control
"Had to be me, someone else would have gotten it wrong"
The starting fragments of Shepard's all-too inevitable PTSD.
Mel Thorn indoctrination*
+Rasin Bran If it were indoctrination, Shepard wouldn't be holding strong to his/her belief that the Reapers deserve to be destroyed, especially during conversations with The Illusive Man. Think about it. When you are indoctrinated, you lose the ability to think for yourself and you don't realize it, you become a a puppet who trusts in the beliefs of the Reapers without question, you trust in them and what they believe in. What Shepard actually is going through is having his/her naturally strong willed nature being slowly eaten away by his/her doubts and fears based on the knowledge that not everyone will live to see a Reaper free Milky Way galaxy, no matter how hard he/she tries, no matter what choices he/she makes.
Actually, I prefer the indoctrination (or attempted indoctrination) theory better than any other ending provided.
Even though it has many discrepancies. Indoctrination works that way too, you believe in something with every fiber of your being even though there is the likelihood that it isn't true, you lose all awareness of alternative outcomes.
It's P.S.T.D.. Shepard has never been indoctrinated throughout the games, Virgil on Illos confirms this for ME(1). Casey Hudson confirms this for ME2 and ME3.
I am the very model of the scientist salarian... *bursts into tears*
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP I LITERALLY CRIED BC OF HIM DYING 😓😭
I am the very model of a scientist salarian, I've studied species turian, asari, and batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a scientist salarian.
I dont hate the ending of ME3, shepard finally could rest.
Personally, I'd have preferred the dream sequences to be bits of your Shepard's pre-ME1 past and psych profile depending on what you chose:
Examples:
Spacer - Chasing the child down a corridor on a ship
Colonist - Running from Batarian slavers on the destroyed colony
Earthborn - Running thu a run-down street after the child
War Hero - holding off Batarian pirates until the dream ends.
Sole Survivor - Running from a Thesher Maw as soldiers die
Ruthless - Murdering every Batarian you see
*whispers* - Shepard -. *whispers*
I don't understand why The Crucible hadn't fired.... I had done everything in my power... 😓
Also, am I the only one who expected Shepard to cry at one point in the game? Not so much ME2 or 1, but in this game I expected him to. Kind of wanted him to actually... To show that he's still human. We (as the audience) would've related to him more
jester man Makes sense
If female Shepard romances Thane in ME2, in the "Citadel DLC" she will cry when she watches Thane's love video after his memorial, when you "invite Kolyat."
he did, the fall of thessia, you can see his eyes red when they turned back on Lt Kurin and her squad after realizing they are far from saving.
Joey King the more you fight......the more you suffer.....the more humanity you lose. It kills your ability to feel, especially to show it. The deeper you go down that dark hole the more alone you feel. Tears become......you want to cry and scream but you can't.
This is why Shepard holding on to their love interest is so important in my mind. Keeps them......alive.
zanebrunes45 I think that’s a very valid reason why during the Citadel DLC Shepard gets visibly upset and even angry with their clone. They’re trying to throw away, discard, destroy the very family that Shepard has found. The one thing that is holding him/her together and keeping their humanity and by extension, sanity in check.
Legion: We will do the same for Normandy.
Liara: You mean Normandy’s Crew.
Legion: We do not see the distinction.
"I like to expect the worst, there´s a small chance I´ll be pleasantly surprised."
The Prince of Persia (POP3): "Experience has taught me wishful thinking only leads to disappointment."
Combine them to fact that dreams also have Reaper voices in background, whispers in mind and oily shadows which Rachni queen describes as symptom of indoctrination. Fans also digged infrasonic noise in these scenes. They are not just ones personal dreams.
I dont think there's a game out there that hit the feels harder than Mass Effect 3 ... Sure, it couldve been better, but what we got was still a damn masterpiece.
I feel music like this makes me wander inside myself, searching for the answers to all the questions I ask myself. I wonderful yet terrible feeling, music that can do that to you is simply amazing in my mind.
I'm glad someone else shares the same feeling on this piece. Powerful stuff.
Same here! Especially when i listen to the catalyst theme.
D Conn Same here, and also it makes me remember things from my childhood which I forgotten. Powerful stuff.
This is why I loved Mass Effect 3. It was amazing how they managed to show Shepard's suffering and this theme is just perfect for it.
I dunno man. The scenes where ur running through a burning forest chasing the kid with ghosts around you were really good. The reason they chose that to be his nightmare is because Shepard felt responsible for the childs death. Just like he feels responsible for everyones death. In one of the nightmares you hear the ppl that died say things, like Mordin, and Legion, and Kelly Chambers for me since they all died for me. Say what u want but these scenes perfectly brought out my emotions.
The first time I saw the dream, I didn't get it. The second time, I started to suspect. When we saved the Krogan and she dreamed again, I knew. It was all starting to take its toll on her mind, (and already did once) body, and heart. War always does; no hero is invincible. Not even Shepard.
Es inefable poder explicar el sentimiento que te hace sentir esta melodía, pero es preciso aclarar que, ha sido, sin duda uno de los juegos de acción más emotivos y atrapantes del último tiempo. Gracias Bioware por crear un juego tan especial como lo fue Mass Effect
This theme has helped me so much, sleeping, depression, relaxation. Honestly it’s ridiculous how much I play this. Might sound silly but The day I die I would happily want this played in my funeral. Truly a masterpiece.
The dreams that meant nothing. The little boy that meant nothing. The catalyst should have taken the form of someone important to Shepard, like the crew member who died at Saren's base.
That would've been nice.
The only good thing about the dream sequences were that you vaguely heard the last words of your fallen crew members echo in the background.
Do this day it still eludes me that no one during development thought "hold on, this child dream shit is fucking stupid".
I believe the child was was important to Shepard as by watching his dead it became somewhat of a symbol of Earth he was trying to save. But we all lived the game in different ways, so yes, some of us will be satisfied with the solution, some of us didn't.And Ashley as the Catalyst? No, thanks. But were we all happy with the game overall? Probably yes (if we can forget the original endings). I sure was!
+Lord Proteus I still say the Catalyst should have been Sovereign.
+Mel Thorn Not sure how much sense that would have made, though I suppose it'd make as much sense or more than what we got. The same logic applies to the Star Child concerning "why didn't they just activate it from the inside?".
Romance character would fit.
To this day, my favorite OST and my favorite VG song. Chills man, fleeting hope and chills.
I remember just sitting there in that burned out forest listening to this and the voice of Ashley telling me to save Kaidan *tear* ..simply the best game there is.
What?
EDI in Synthesis "to reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine"
Sovereign "There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine"
Catalyst "Organics will be Perfected...Synthesis is the Final Evolution of life"
Harbinger "We are the Harbinger of your Perfection"
Sovereign "We are the Pinnacle of Evolution and existence"
So no.. by choosing Synthesis, Shepard does not fuck over Reapers at all...
Shepard's PTSD theme
Through those dreams...Shepard knew...he/she would die on the battlefield
"Belay that, we can handle ourselves, go back and get Williams !!" - "It's the right choice , and you know it. Ash"
Full spoilers down there
If you listen very carefully at certain points in the dreams (without the music playing), you might hear a very faint but robotic voice saying "Serve us".
is there a version with the inception horns? I'm really after that one
Fancy seeing you here eight years later
Does anyone else want to see the hero of ferelden and commander Shepard to team up in some alternate universe and save the Milky Way galaxy side by side?
Goddamn, this track makes you feel so alone but at the same time it makes you feel there's someone out there you need to find
"I beg you, do not do this! Please..."
Anderson : "You ever wonder how things would've been different. How our lives would be different...if this hadn't happened?"
Commander Shepard : "Sure."
Anderson : "I never had a family Shepard. Never had children."
Shepard : "Have we enough time for that now?"
Anderson : "I think that ship has sailed. What about you? Ever think about settling down?"
Shepard : "Yeah, I like the sound of that. Not sure if I'm good at talking about that."
Anderson : "I think you would be a great mother."
Shepard : "Aha."
Anderson : "Sure you would. Think how proud your kids would be. Telling everyone their...their mom was Commander Shepard."
Shepard : "I don't know about that. Not everything I've done is something to be proud of."
Anderson : "God, it feels like years since I have sat down."
Shepard : "I think you earned the rest."
Anderson : "Hmm."
Shepard : "Stay with me. Were almost through this."
Anderson : "You did good child, you did good. I'm proud of you."
Shepard : "Thank you sir. Anderson? Anderson?"
;(
Ah, the good ending. Probably the best option if not the inconsistency. Anderson has a family, he has, actually had an ex-wife and two sons, you find about them in the Liar of the Shadow Broker in the files and in Mass Effect 3 in Anderson's apartment. But still, great job done with this ending
Oh god...You know when a game is good when you hear a song in it and you feel such a strong emotion...With this one....for me at least is sadness....
Totally loved the eerie dream sequences - thanks for uploading the music.
- "Kalahira, mistress of inscrutable depths, I ask forgiveness"
- "Sheepard..."
- "Shepard-commander, help us..."
Also the reason I think the dreams should be based on Shepard's past history because it fleshes them out more.
In the 1st dream, you could have the past history (i.e. the horrors of surviving Mindoir or Akuze etc.) and in the 2nd, you could have those who have more recently died partly because of Shepard's choices, like Ashley/Kaiden, Wrex, Mordin and/or Legion. There are so many variables, which would've made it interesting.
They should've made those that died actually appear in the dreams.
Thanks for uploading this! Was bummed out when I realized it wasn't on my CE soundtrack.
Shepard has the world on his shoulders...
A lot of people were pissed about the ending, and I don't blame them. I was kinda disappointed too, however, I knew that no matter what the ending would have sucked. You just can't close out a series like this in a good way. I really enjoyed the journey getting to the ending though, I even cried a little as Thane died.
There are two constants in life: Stupidity and persistence. The key is to know which is unavoidable and which will make your life worthwhile.
A great idea. And, so they build, the first nightmare is just where Shepard was born from. The second acts out his psych profile, and the third combines the two and includes the haunting of which ever (if any) of the close characters Shepard lost throughout the trilogy... Like murdering Wrex with Batarians for ruthless, and glimpses of other squadmembers whispering Shepard's guilts.
How eery is this? So daunting.
Thanks for uploading bro. I love this soundtrack.
I've read quite a lot of of the ME universe fanfic,comments theories that Shepard was indoctrinated by Harbinger and the reason for those dreams that he had where part of Harbinger's plan to break Shepard's will to fight, that the second Shepard was hurt by the Reaper shooting at him he all imagined or (dreamed) of the final scene in the citadel while he was uncouncious when the beam attack was lauched.Those choices that where given to him when he reached the citadel where to fool him, that he was in the reapers subcouncious level. If he chose synthesis ot control end, game over only destroying them is the option that i see. I will post now a quite good fanfic story that made me think a lot. www.fanfiction.net/s/8035991/1/Mass-Effect-3-Aftermath And for the last i recommend reading it with some good Mass Effect soundtracks Cheers!
Of course, that isn't the case. Casey Hudson confirmed that the Indoctrination Theory is false. Änd for those still believing; the refusal ending also disprove the theory.
I think everybody who played can tell a different story, that gives a really special place in my hart. :)
This song... them feels bro
Saren's eyes were glowing before he was fully indoctrinated
:3
I've been looking for this since the game premiere. So beaufitul...
not to mention hearing both mark meer and jennifer hale's voice within the catalyst
Truly an epic moment in the game..gave me chills
The boy is just a symbol of many, not someone who is personally valuable to Shepard. If it was, it wouldn't work for Catalyst to both took his form after he is killed by Reapers and try to persuade Shepard to pick anything other than Destroy and that Reapers are necessary and good guys.
you also hear it when Harbinger uses his red beam just before shepard gets fried
Indoctrination is not an on/off switch thing. It is a seed. Shep have been in close proximity with Reapers or Reaper tech since ME1.
Shepard doesn't regret it, because the boy refused her help, rejected her hand to start with. His death wasn't Shepard's fault. All the death on Earth is not Shepard's fault. On the other hand, in the third dream she sees herself dying with the kid. Dream sequences don't make sense without IT.
it's complicated. Yes that boy refuse his\hers help, but that doesnt mean he dont regret that she\he wasn't able to help him
Every time I listen to this, I feel like I'm going to die tomorrow.
Are you still alive?
@@beastbee0118 Yeah...
This is playing at my funeral. It's actually a great song for a funeral :)
Definitely the most impressive piece in ME3! Clint Mansell has captured my mind ever since "Requiem for a Dream."
Dream sequences, along with the voices & Reaper sounds & infrasonic noise within them, are the reason I will always strongly believe in Indoctrination theory until Bioware disproves it. They are way too shady.
We don't have to imagin. We just have to play the game.
Very powerful track, mass effect soundtrack is one of a kind.
Those who died do apear, but only voices are heard. I could hear Mordin and Wrex, which made me really sad, as I had just sacrificed Mordin... This game is a masterpiece, hands down. No movie, book or other game is as emotional as this.
You re right... It is something coming from inside and u associate The images in your mind attività The Song :')
They're cybernetics he installed himself with the help of the Geth, like his synthetic arm and robotic head fringe
I think its more deep than that i always thought it was Shepard having doubts if he/she can save everything that boy is the humans and all other life and no matter how fast Shepard runs he/she will never catch up and everything will burn away in the end. Shepard having doubts they can pull this off, Shepard is only human even the bravest people can have doubts mainly when its this big.
Further connection to that little kid, perhaps?
To be quite honest I think the theory is true but Bioware never intended to reveal it immediately after release which is why the original cut was so short because it wasn't meant to even be real. But then the fan reaction to the ending was so bad that they had to do something, so they just added to the hallucination. I guess we won't ever really know for sure until ME4. "lots of speculation for everyone" they said...
Шепард ты нас всех спас! Погасла твоя звезда и вместо тебя выпустили провал андромеда.
It's called 'The Catalyst'
Almost sounds like a very very slow version of 'Leaving Earth.' It fits perfectly.
The derelict Reaper's indoctrination made the Cerberus base Inside kill itself off in madness.
you got a point. I think that boy is most significant loss. Those shadow silhouettes are repesenting the other people and those voice ecoes representing Shepard's dead friends
That's because it is :D Well, almost, it uses the same chords but it just varied the rhythm of the notes in the melody. If you listen to 'An End Once and for All' that is another variation of 'Leaving Earth', same chord progressions and everything. One of the things ME does very well is using motifs and reccuring themes in it's music, it's fun to listen to them.
Every Zelda game is a top of the line gaming experience that few other games can compare to. Just because they dont run in a sequence of 1, 2, 3, 4, like Halo, does not diminish the amount of fun you have while playing it. If anything games like Halo and Mass Effect get old the longer the series because of similar gameplay where Zelda constantly has unique and new ways to play like using the Wii controls to swing your sword. The broken sequence of events makes it easier to bring in new ideas.
She\He regret it. That's why the Catalyst took the form of that boy.
exactly
Well, it was just a quick idea really. I agree they brought emotions in me, too. It's probably because I kept Mordin and Kelly alive, hence why I just hear one voice or two (i.e. Legion) that I felt something was missing. I wanted to save as many people as I could in all three games since my first Shepard was a Colonist who had lost their family at a young age.
Mass Effect is a true classic game kind of reminds me of a war that we will never see but we will fell it from the news and media but a war is coming very soon we will all have a role play in this war that is coming soon there is no good or evil we will pick a side may god be with you
you will see what i'm talking about, look closely to the eyes of Shepard, they are turning purple exactly the same color of Saren's eyes when he was indoctrinated ;)
When you try to survive in the station, and after many waves of ennemies there's a large beam coming from the Reapers Artefact, Shepard falls down, and he sees Doctor Kenson differently (with some weird shining eyes), anyway she says : That they need Shepard alive. She was indoctrinated, leaving Shepard alive was a part of the plan of the Reapers. Finally i agree with 1vaultdweller, the indoctrination process takes end in the final scene of Mass effect 3, if you choose Synthesis or Control, you
Javik-Through everything out an airlock
Benezia was influenced because she was inside Sovereing remember in Mass Effect 1 ? She said that Sovereign had some kind of influence on the people who were aboard Sovereign. But Shepard never got inside a Reaper Ship, there's only one exception, it was an abandonned Reaper ship on Mass Effect 2, but that one was completely unfoctionnal. Let's say that the indoctrination process started in the Arrival DLC...
Hhhh. .the reaper IFF in mass effect 2
Others aboard the 'dead' reaper were indoctrinated. . Though they were aboard longer .. I'd think he/she was on there long enough for it to start . Plus as you mentioned with object Rho.. (honestly I didn't notice you mention the iff so I apologize for that )
Shepard keeps thinking back to that boy because she regrets not being able to save him, especially since that Reaper shot that transport right before her very eyes. Also, I think the boy is representative of all of the people who have died.
In my playthrough, the voices you hear in the dream are of people who have died; if you don't have subtitles on, it's really hard to make out what they're are saying.
I always choose the renegade responses to the Catalyst, so yes, I think it's lying/withholding information.
The thing is, if Shepard was "only starting" to get indoctrinated until the ending, where he was presumably rapidly indoctrinated, then he would become a husk basically. TIM and Saren were high-functioning victims, and they require months or years of constant exposure. Shepard was not, obviously, since he did not further the Reaper's goals.
has anyone noticed that very subtle music piece in the war room?
was dissapointed to, then when i played the whole game again with the EC i just understood it and now i am truly amazed by the endig its so great, epic and realistic i only feel sad the story is over could play 10 more of there games
This reminds me of The Walton Hoax & Nymos - Icarious. Beautiful song!
Shepard's goal throughout the series is to stop Reapers, whether if YOUR Shep aims to save as many people she can or not is YOUR choice to play as either PARAGON or RENEGADE; which are the main two conflicting themes centered as the engine of ME's narrative. That said, it makes zero sense for EVERY Shep to regret not trying to save everyone, because the renegade Shepard have done much worse to galaxy already by that point. Plus, ME never had a pro-earth, a humancentric narrative.
after that ending he gave us he should running like usain bolt if he wants to live
Nononononononononononono.
Leaving Earth is the name of the track that plays in ME3 when you...leave Earth. The 800% slower bit is referencing a series of videos that use some program (I think the usual is PaulStretch in Audacity) to slow down a song to the point of it sounding nothing like the original. For a while you could type in any pop song and "800% slower" after it and you'd get a video. I was just saying that I think the composers used a similar process to those videos.
Yet, even though he is being indoctrinated, Shepard does more than any other person to fuck over the Reapers.
Right
Exactly. You've described my idea better than I have. It would cerainly would've had a bigger impact on the player, I think.
Damn straight! Ruthless FTW!
That's because it is. Load it in Audacity and increase its tempo.
In all likelihood, they used PaulStretch.
Arrival isn't mandatory to import into ME3, so that doesn't make any sense for someone who has a Shepard who didn't partake in the Alpha Relay thing. So it either happened in ME1 or 3, as ME2 only has a single significant reaper encounter (The derelict)
Я под этот трек сталкера читаю
Are you sure about that? Many "Shepards" selected Control and Synthesis =)
Fair enough. Nice to hear your opinion though.
Actually in war room the song that subtly plays is a very slowed down version of Vigil. I think.
You're right! :O