Are you Singing Too Loudly? | The Acoustic Reflex |
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2018
- How do you go with your singing output levels? Are you like me, needing to always manage and measure the tendency to over sing? The acoustic reflex might be to blame.
Here on the Voice Essentials channel, I’m often asked, “Dr Dan, how can I learn to sing louder?” For some, that’s an important question. But there are those who walk among us who actually need to ask the exact opposite question: “Dr Dan, how can I learn to sing quieter?”
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Loud singer here. I've been singing native songs for 25+ years. Most of the songs I sing are meant to be sung loud. We generally sing in groups around a big drum or each with a hand drum. And since there are often newbies who are bit shy, I find singing loud can help them break the ice easier as the focus isn't just on them.
I used to often blow my voice out after only a few songs as I knew very little about singing, good resonance, twang, etc. Nowadays, I think I can sing even louder, but with better resonance and less strain. Thanks in part to you and your videos, Dr. Dan. Thanks!
I tend to sing too loud and now I'm working on shifting at the right time in the right register. It's quite hard because I still have the tendency to push the high notes. The key is practise and know your mistakes and be patient. :)
Yes, and recording is pretty important, to so you can hear your mistakes and not just feel them.
I needed this video YEARS ago! Thank you so much!
You're so welcome!
EXCELLENT piece thanks
You're welcome hypaskypa. Thanks for watching.
Interesting! I have just downloaded the decibel app on my phone and will give this a go.
so useful! I have such a loud speaking voice, especially when I'm excited and I feel i's dragging into my singing so trying to work on that. Thank you
You're welcome Mae Blue. Thanks for watching.
My problem is the opposite since my voice is pretty quiet when I sing. Still learning to project but this video really gives me an insight of the opposite side!
Dr Dan's Voice Essentials Thank you!
This is the exact video I needed to watch! I practice singing with a mic but over a loud distorted guitar and start losing my voice half an hour into practice! Singing “smarter” is really going to improve my stamina I hope now, I love the iPhone idea! I just hope I can hit the notes and get the right tone I’m after singing at a quieter level... thanks heaps Dr. Dan!
You're welcome Kyle Tricarico. Thanks for watching.
Again just what I need!! Thank you, I will load a decibel app because I can not tell how loud I am singing.
I think you'll find it really helps, Janet.
Dear Dr. Dan! I thought you red my mind when I received the info that you had published your latest video. I was just searching through all your footages for the ones about singing softer and controlling the air pressure to avoid tension on the larynx. I am working on this at the moment. I sing too loud, yes! Should you be able to add some more exercises on this specific subject it would be absolutely wonderful. One last think. I have been studying for quite a few years now between here in Australia (my new country) and Italy (but I am not a professional). Well! I love your scientific approach to teaching singing. That's what most of the teachers and coaches around do miss: they just tell you what to do without no explanation. I just love what you do, and how you are able to give detailed theoretical justifications to your suggestions and exercises. I appreciate that you often compare different approaches of different experts. I do get any suggestion you put in your videos about different theories, studies or researches on various topics and make them mine: to then go and search for those references and study in depth.. even more! THANKS!
I tend to over sing at times causing me to go pitchy.
The reason being overcompensation due to ,as you pointed out back ground noise.
Thanks for the tip.
Thanks for sharing this! My nickname in high school choir was “Loud.” 😂
Thank you for making this video on an overlooked topic! I’ve struggled tremendously with this. I self-accompany on the piano for all of my singing, and have always felt like “the piano was beating me” in volume. It wasn’t until I placed my phone elsewhere in the room, and recorded myself in an ambient space, that I realized that, even at softer singing volumes, I was actually louder than the piano. This helped me relax in my feeling that I had to keep up with the piano volume. I’m addition, my vocal teacher had me purchase a tuning fork, and place it on several parts of my head and face, so that I could feel the effects of bone conduction in hearing. This step, helped me trust that I was getting all of the acoustic information I need for accurate pitch, even though the piano still sounds louder than my voice. These two things helped me greatly! And, of course, your scientific explanation of why it’s “a thing”! Thanks again!
You're welcome, and thank you for sharing your insightful experiences! It's wonderful to hear that you've found strategies to overcome the challenges you were facing with the piano's volume and pitch accuracy. Your vocal teacher's use of a tuning fork and your own practical application are excellent examples of innovative approaches to voice training. Keep up the great work, and feel free to reach out if you have any more questions or insights. Happy singing!
Yes, me too! I wasn't allowed in choirs because of my healthy, natural belt
This is great. I could talk and sing quite loudly naturally for hours without any problems. Now I feel like I'm overdoing it. This is the proof. I've probably stopped hearing myself correctly for some reason.
I'm glad you found the video helpful!
Yes XD, I always sing too loud.
Thanks for watching Ignasi Martí Palet!
Is it bad doing whistle note ?
I mean i often want to whistle note but i always thought that i could hurt my troat ...
And i tend to whistle note or sing loudly when im alone at home xD im kinda shy but they already heard my singing
I always feel like I'm not singing loud enough..wether with or without microphone. Compared to other friends who sing.
I know when I sing softer...I have better control, quality and sounds generally better.
If I'm trying to reach the same level as someone else...then I can feel the force in my vocal chords.
I have noticed I talk a lot quieter as well. I have friends that are singers that sing loud and talk loudly. Any thoughts would be great!
I also wonder if there is a phase cancellation going on when singing into a mic. We have two, the production and reception that are fairly close and wondered if there is any work on that.
That thought came from a conversation we at band practice, lead vocalist says she can't hear herself. The rest of us are pushing to be heard through her. I got me thinking about what is happening real-time internally. Is the a phase cancellation happening when we sing amplified that we don't experience say just sing without support.
Hmmm... wonder if there is a computer version of this program. I don't have a cell phone (I know, hard to believe in this day and age)
How many decibels are considered a desirable level?
My speaking voice is not loud but when I'm singing, it's too loud and annoying.
To be completely honest, my problem isn't either problem (although my mom and dad have both joked, rather appropriately, that I don't always need a microphone) my problem is sharpness when I belt (and I don't always mean sharp notes) and flatness when I sing quietly (and I don't always mean flat notes like b flat or a flat, etc.) what do I do?
To be honest breathiness isn't what I need. What I need help with is maybe knowing how far away to stand from the microphone
I only know how to sing loud because I took Choir in High School for 6 years and they also told me my voice stood out amongst the others and treated it as a positive thing. I had and still have crippling self esteem so when I sing I hyperfocus and get lost in it and use too much power into my notes and can never get a good recording ever.
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I always find it concerning when choir directors ask their quieter members to raise their loudness to match that of the more robust voices. If young Me had been asked to do that - because I was a quiet singer - I probably would have forced and used incorrect technique to manufacture that amplitude, and would have risked making myself hoarse. It's kind of a professionally irresponsible directive when there isn't also a lesson in proper technique to safely and effectively achieve that increase in intensity (e.g., including how to work smarter, not harder). That's why I believe that it's better for the one or two loud singers in the choir to be asked to bring their volume down a bit than to demand that (and place pressure on) the other young and untrained voices in the group bring theirs up.
And this doesn't even account for the psychological and emotional battle that quiet singers are often dealing with - how unhealthy their relationships with their voices might already be (and thus why they might be guarding their sound and singing softly to begin with) and how being told that they need to be louder... and then trying unsuccessfully (or painfully) to make that happen... can lead to an even more unhealthy relationship with their voices.
Nope (except when my mother didn't want to hear me at all). I know that this video was about NOT feeling the pressure and giving into the temptation to be louder, and I guess I had just wanted to point out the risks in feeling and succumbing to the pressure to be louder.
Indeed!
OMG...i just got the app. Am I truly practicing at 100db EVERYDAY....no wonder my voice always feels fatigued afterwards....
quick question when you sing with open vowels are you supposed to or are you going to sound louder? more than if you were to sing a tad bit of closed vowels? i have this musical coming up and in one of the songs i have to hold a G4 for 12 counts and im not sure if i should use more open vowels or not since i feel like im too loud but then again i sing in my bathroom so maybe the echo makes it louder but if you could help thanks!
Each different vowel will have different levels of volume due to the resonance characteristics of the various vowel shapes. Ideally, with technique, we work towards levelling these differences out so that the voice is more consistent regardless of the vowel shape.
@@DrDanRobinson thanks helps a lot!
hi Dr Dan.
I find my singing falls apart when trying to record it while wearing headphones....I can manage higher notes quite well whilst singing at a lower volume level but can not monitor my volume with the head phones on and then I start to get louder and then strain my voice.....have you any suggestions to combat this.
thank you.
When recording have you tried tracking with on can slightly off the ear? This may give you a better read on your natural room acoustic.
I know this is random I just didn’t know how to get it out there quick enough I just took two drinks of apple cider vinegar which is 5% acidic I feel I made a mistake but just to confirm is that stuff any good at all for the voice because i had no idea it would be that strong haha
Dr Dan's Voice Essentials all I know for sure is at first when I drank It i got a little scared because it was hard to get down ha it caught me off guard but I’ll pay closer attention to how my throat reacts to it thank you
I find that if I sing with a lower output, I'm not pleased with the tone. After 30 years of doing things the way I do, I haven't a clue how to decrease the volume and retain the tone.
I have found (after years) the more vowel accuracy you develop the more resonant and rich the voice becomes. You find you have a intensity knob instead of a volume knob. You develop an ability to dial back intensity instead of volume. I also believe there are big voices that require more effort to sound their best.
i could watch an hour over this. i really need help. i this issue AT THE SAME TIME another issue. When i go to my "head voice" idk if its even that but my volume goes extremely loud. No microphone needed and still ask to quiet tf down loud. i actually sound kinda good if its wasnt breaking ear drums with how loud it is. i wish i could achieve this state without being so loud but at the same time i only can get to this lvl by having the music VERY loud to encourage me to sing louder and when i finally relax and just belt the hell out of a note i can hit it! if i hold back at all it ruins it falls flat but when i hit the note i hit it to loudly???? idfk anymore.
Often there will be a great temptation to sing louder as you go higher. Learning better techniques will help you with this issue. BombDiggy. You may find my online singing course helpful - drdan.co/onlinesinginglessons. Feel free to check it out sometime. The first module is free to preview!
Hola. La primera vez que vi uno de tus videos compartiste informacion muy importante y te estoy muy agradecido, y pude entenderlo ps habian subtitulos en español.
Ahora veo tus videos y no los entiendo :( agradeceria mucho al español subtitulos.
Muchas gracias de todas maneras
I do offer Spanish subtitles on some of my video Shamir...but the cost of translation is high, so I have to have then interpreted one at a time.
Dr Dan's Voice Essentials te entiendo. Igualmente estoy muy agradecido con tu aporte que nos das a todos que queremos aprender de canto.
Espero con ansias tu proximo video, sigue adelante y nuevamente muchas gracias.
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I have the opposite issue..I hear myself much much louder while talking and singing regardless of pitch/volume.
I can talk and sing loudly but to me its extremely loud so naturally I lower my volume..
Loud singer here. I basically can't sing anymore because I sing too lound and have social anxiety.
And I live with others, so I can basically mever sing. Ever.😊
I'm sorry to hear that your love for singing has been challenged by these circumstances. Social anxiety can be tough, and it's okay to acknowledge how it affects various aspects of your life, including your passion for singing.
There may be ways you can continue to enjoy singing while managing the anxiety and consideration for others. Consider these possible approaches:
1. *Sing at specific times:* Speak with the people you live with about your love for singing. You could try to agree on specific times when you can sing freely without disturbing others.
2. *Soundproofing:* There are affordable options to soundproof a room to minimise the noise others can hear. Egg crate foam, for instance, can be a cost-effective method of reducing sound travel.
3. *Singing quietly:* There are singing techniques that allow you to sing quieter while still practising your skills. Singing doesn't always have to be loud to be enjoyed or beneficial. You can also explore the art of singing softly, which can be beautiful in its own right.
4. *Therapy and support groups:* Look into therapy or support groups for social anxiety. Having a space to express your feelings and gain coping mechanisms could be really helpful.
5. *Outdoor singing:* Consider finding outdoor spaces where you can sing freely, like a secluded spot in a park or an empty beach.
Remember, singing is about expressing yourself and finding joy. You should never feel guilty about doing what you love. Take small steps, be patient with yourself, and with time, you'll find the right balance that works for you. Stay strong!
HELP! My voice is too loud I cannot even sign in a room or close to people... I can tune properly, people say that I sign quite good but I kill them with my volume I cannot figure out how to sign at a low volume, my throat hearts and I can´t tune properly... if I play guitar while singing I sing even louder and sometimes hearts as well... I can´t control my volume and when I think I´m OK people is crying! :( what can I do?
Hi, Pablo Leone. You may find my online singing course helpful - drdan.co/onlinesinginglessons. Feel free to check it out sometime. The first module is free to preview!
The beginning of this made me laugh because I need to sing quietly, I find if I sing loudly as a beginner, it makes it hard to concentrate on flaws I could be doing
I dont understand why i sing so darn loud
My voice went from too quiet to too loud. 😢