These are precisely my favorite type of videos, specially when focused on the Legends Expanded Universe, so I'd be immensely grateful if you made more like this one. No matter how much I have to wait, I'll always watch them with enthusiasm. And I'd also like to thank you for everything you've shared with us over the years. You were always 1 of my favorites.
Really liked this video, I have been reading Star Wars Legends since the beginning of the year and this video helps me remember the stuff.. it is a lot of lore, some battles I just forget about. I would love more videos like this one! Great quality!
So I would love more videos on Legends story arcs like the Isard and Zinj campaigns, but from a behind-the-scenes perspective. For instance, bring in that book Courtship ofPrincess Leia and even the way Stover’s Shadows of Mindor dovetails into everything while being uncharacteristically gritty.
Palpatine: *sends out gigantic fleets and almost wipes out the republic* Also Palpatine 10 second later: *starts a fucking civil war in his own empire* oh yeah its dark empire time!
Yhuzhan Vong: start ransacking planets Luke’s entire order, the entire new republic, the imperial remnant and Lando’s army of murder happy droids: *ya’ll hear something?*
@@HVLLOWS1999 yeah BUT when you ACTUALLY SENSE an enemy thats so powerful you might NOT be able to beat it alone COMING an you KNOW it/they are coming for blood an aren't interested in peace if your gonna prep to FIGHT IT. He shoulda held HIS troops back while HONESTLY talking to the Republic about peace an exposing the threat of the Vong.. then let the Republic do least half the serious fighting THEN turned. On them if he was so Hell bent to be the bad guy. Of which THIS would've been the one time we coulda seem Palpatine as the evil sith psycho we know him to be become a "good guy" even if EVERYONE knows it won't last. The fact that the Republic, Jedi an heroes especially Jedi will b able to sense it's legit would IMMEDIATELY give them all pause an raise eyebrows
@TheStatement I've started reading the New Jedi Order books, and that's probably the thing that has bothered me most so far. If he and the others in the New Republic knew Yuuzhan Vong were coming and knew they were a threat, what possible reason would they have for ignoring them?
God damn, as a super super casual Star Wars fan whose biggest adventure out of the movies has been the games this is really really cool, I had no idea so much happened in the old canon after Endor, insane work bro! Can't imagine how long this must've taken to make
@@TheGreatMandalore it is very possible for a casual fan to either not know about them or not have a clue what they are or where to start. The books were always niche and never really got much attention or promotion from lucasarts, then Disney takes the official stance of they never existed so it is beyond believable for it to happen.
Yeah... After wiping out most of the Jedi and forming the Empire, Palpatine got arrogant. That and his reliance on superweapons. Seriously, did he have a planet busting fetish or something?!
@@TankHunter678 Vader must've been the exception then. Outside of trying to use the Aeon Engine to bring back Padme, he seemed more of the "we need better training and ships" mentality. If he and Thrawn were in charge the Empire might've worked out better.
No it's more or less the same, Palpatine clones himself a lot, a new Empire tries to rise and ultimately falls, Luke is felt out of place turning to the Dark Side (as a ploy)/dead. And Palpatine tries to transfer his spirit into another being Rey/Anakin.
@@danielhales8169 Operation Shadow hand from dark empire although still one of the worst written threads of galactic civil war makes much more sense than Exegol. The biggest issues with DE that I have are: A) they became unrealisticly strong in a very short time, B) Palpatine has endless supplies of clones. That's the one thing they did better in disney canon, where Palpatine had just one clone that was able to be controleld. But overall, old canon verion is more logical than new canon. The latter presents a fleat of thousands of star destroyers each capable of blowing off a damn planet! And despite having it, old idiot Palpatine dicided that he should use remnants of the old empire not for the purpose of his final order but to create a separate faction that will destroy the new republic. Becouse why not....In Legends it is shown that Palpatine had to strugle with reunifying the empire. The only reason he converted the empire into dark empire is becouse he knew he can't trust warlords some of whom propably don't rven belive that it's the real emperor. He had to controll everything on his own, with the dark side itself. And the universe spanning magocracy thing, it was what was meant to be the ultimate form of the empire but after endor those plans were unreachible. Anyway, sorry for long comment, dark empire although with many major flaws, fits legends much better than so called episode 9 fits the new canon.
Controversial as they were at the time, we needed a "Yuuzhan Vong" and not a "First Order" if Disney wanted to restart canon. I especially liked how they threatened to tear the galaxy apart and it took the Imperial Remnant and Alliance joining forces to ultimately beat them.
It would be great, though George Lucas, before he sold Lucasfilm, was in early preparations for his sequels. They were going to be about Maul returning with an apprentice and rebuilding his crime empire to destroy the rebuilding Republic. The empire in George's mind was destroyed entirely in galactic civil war, without a truce, so no empirial remnant unfortunately. There were just some rogue forces left which were likely gonna play some rule. But overall tbh, NJO nad LOTF are still better than those plans.
@@emzonik8851 tbh a crime empire would still be a more novel idea than Empire 2.0. It doesn't sound as bad as sequels, but doesn't sound near NJO level
Imagine that, a galatic threat causing the Imperial remnants and the new republic to work together. That would have been good set up for the Sith to return and cause an imperial civil war.
@@thalmoragent9344 New Jedi Order and Legacy Of The Force novel series. The former (detailing the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion) is 19 books long, the latter (2'nd Galactic Civil War) is 9 books long. But they're great. It's the Legends' version if the sequels.
oh god yeah the name is pretty terrible, in my opinion it should've been called the "Galactic Federation" or something like that. But the lore is pretty epic though!
@@bonno55 For the most part they did just call it the Galactic Federation, or Galactic Alliance. It was very rare for them to use the full title, which was abbreviated "GFFA" as a reference to "galaxy far, far away".
Only 3k views? I’m a Legends fan, and I think this topic is just intimidating. It’s 30 years worth of books and comics, half of which are good, half of which are ridiculous. Bummer, because I can only image the work that’s gone into this video
Can't wait for the entire "Shadows of the Empire" summary of events from Battle of Hoth to Return of the Jedi. There was so much media taking place in that era that created some of the more beloved (and sometimes hammy) EU original characters.
So pissed that got retconned by Disney. That media was created specifically by Lucasfilm across multiple mediums to fill that void, it's far more legitimate than a lot of other EU material
@@PeteTemplar101 Most EU material was "legitimate", but if you mean that having Shadows cross over multiple mediums (comics, games, novels, etc.) gave it more importance, then I can somewhat agree, because it means it had greater exposure, same as the Clone Wars multimedia project. Although that "extra" importance is superficial: they still fell into the same spot on the canon hierarchy as the rest of the EU.
Great vid Ecky! A lot of fans seem to dislike the Yuuzhan Vong War since it feels out of place for Star Wars, but I like how unique and different it is to anything we've seen before. That, and the Thrawn Campaign are the highlights of this era for me.
@@arnimzola1139 you realize how much time the sequels have stolen? 9 hrs of trash so many of us will never get back again. X millions of people, that's whole lifetimes wasted. You could say they're murders.
@@robertnelson9599 this is what they should of done, when they bought star wars in 2012 they should do adaptation either in 2019 or 2023 where D-aging is very good use and already has disney plus since 2019 and they could use a TV show in Disney plus called Star Wars: expanded universe Where every season is the adaptation where season 1 is thrawn trilogy adaptation and then next is dark empire and then Jedi academy and new Jedi order every seasons and would be 15 episodes and 40 mins episode, it would be the biggest star wars content ever. Also before this show should of existed they should of done more star wars EU comics and books of any new characters and stories in the star wars timeline, also cartoons and of course movies, they should of done a trilogy of alot of new established characters in there own trilogy taking place in the star wars EU timeline or just star wars timeline and of course in 2023 they should of done the after return of the Jedi EU storylines that I mentioned. Star wars would of been in a great place by now
@@jigolocana7492 they need dave and Jon to be the head of the freakin Lucasfilm and I would hope atleast bring back the EU as canon, id be very fine if they decanonized sequel trilogu and current canon and bring back the original EU and maybe try fitting rebels and clone wars and of course rhe mandalorian to fit into the EU, and especially rebels since I think there was in episode where they establish the rebel while in the EU the force unleash they establish the rebel alliance, they could of had two establishment where the first they did it with starkiller in the force unleashed and of course in rebels later when they publicly announced it, also for thrawn where he went to the unknown legion with ezera but in the EU I believed he was sent to the unknown region by palpatine before palpatine died so what thrawn could of done is coming back or finding a way to go back to the main star wars galaxy and then later on get sent back to the unknown region by palpatine. Plus also the rebel show could continue with there own storyline in the EU timeine, called star wars new republic. But to be honest this show doesnt need to be a tie in to the original trilogy characters storylines after battle of endor but im sure its possible they can fit in the EU/real star wars timeline.
At this point I agree. Legends has some big story problems post Return of the Jedi but it is way more interesting and unique then anything post Jedi in canon up to this point. Honestly think Mandelorian should just retcon the sequels.
I completely forgot how expansive the whole lore was, I took a 2 year break from Star Wars ( - the Bad Batch, Season 7 CW and Mando). Thanks for the reintroduction, happy to see you with so many subs.
A series on the history of SW legends universe would be good! There's 13 Billion years of history in the legends timeline but it really picks up around 100,000 BBY so that's a good start point. It would most likely have to be spit into a bunch of parts.
I can't wait for Eck to read both Cult and the upcoming Supernatural Encounters. His original thoughts on a lot of vague lore he explains in old videos will be changed...
One thing I do like from the new canon is the period of peace between Endor and whatever the war in the sequel trilogy is called. In Legends it feels like the New Republic never got a break
WOW, the Legends timeline is more..................complex than I remembered. I still have most of the novels and comics (The main comics only) from this era. Timothy Zahn was a huge influence on the Star Wars Legends Universe. He created Mara Jade and Thrawn, and the idea that Star Wars storylines could be more than just flash fantasy (which I like as well) and more political intrigue with tactics.
Wow! Legends was way more busy than I thought. Too busy really. Though I guess that's to be expected if we're talking about a whole galaxy. We only get a few years of peace and quiet on Earth between our various crises.
@@An_Inconvenience It's also a big part of why it was no great surprise when Disney axed it; if and when Lucas got around to doing _his_ much anticipated sequel trilogy it was kind of understood that most if not all of the post-Endor EU would become definitively non-canon instead of the not-quite canon it had been.
I mean, I'm not sure that's really true about Earth. At any given point there may be a war somewhere (although true interstate wars these days are actually very rare, it's usually civil wars with proxy groups supported by other states) but we've not have a world war for 77 years, unless you count the Cold War, which was really more of a string of proxy conflicts. In the grand scale of human history, the world relatively peaceful. We have crises at the moment, but they aren't particularly existential, with the semi-exception of climate change. The Star Wars universe is more like if the Syrian Civil War lasted decades and was global, with every side in a total-war footing. There isn't any comparison.
On a galactic scale, there would be constant wars. Big ones, small ones and so it’s a wonder how the Jedi, all by themselves, were even able to keep the peace in a galaxy ripe with conflict. They certainly would have been too busy to notice a sith lord rising to power.
Do another video like this but for the old republic era (Hyperspace war, Mandalorian wars, jedi civil war, the Great Galactic war, Valkorian's empire). I would love to see that.
Man there were some stuff in legends that were really cool/interesting stories I STILL don't understand why they needed to literally de-canon everything..
@@arekuisanda Oh, no I was joking/ i frankly dont understand it either( straight up copied the ot empire vs rebels, ruining past characters, and just other dumb stuff)
@@arekuisanda And worst part is were stuck with it, unlike anime or other genre who at least do another timeline or several years apart on different characters like gundam. The next part after episode 9 will be more rey, ya I'm not interested
Oh yeah, I seriously, seriously love long videos. It can be a pain to find something genuinely entertaining to watch, long breaks from the search are much appreciated.
Despite how chaotic it is on crisis of the third century in Rome levels *(which isn't bad just depends how you write it)* this is what I consider as my official headcanon. Nothing can replace Mara Jade and EU Thrawn in my book besides the conflicts are alot more interesting and forthcoming then what we have now.
Great job man, I stopped reading after the NJO, missed all the Legacy stuff. Great to be reminded of better times. Edit: I read up to the end of Legacy, missed the Fate of the Jedi. Christ it’s been so long I can’t remember.
Is this sarcasm XD? The Vong are very interesting...and Chewie didn't challange the moon, he died in flames of burning atmosphere before it hit the planet.
I had such a good time w/ the New Jedi Order, Jacen & Jaina, the Vong, Anakin Solo/Jeedai Heresy, and Darth Caedus. IMHO it was better than what we have now.
Love the lore behind all that was established through Novels and Darkhorse back in the day. I neglected my collections over the last 2 decades and lost them so it's great to see the glimpses of the artwork again. Thanks Ecks!
For me the Yuuzhan Vong was my favorite it took SW to dark territories aside from the suffering caused by the deaths of over 300 trillion lifeforms, you had courageous but tragic sacrifices from Chewbacca and Anakin Solo, events that would create 2 Sith Lords whom fall from grace that would cause devastation to the Galaxy Darth Caedus and Darth Krayt sentenced to Yuuzhan Vong torture really awesome Lore too!! I also like the One Sith Empire against the Galactic Alliance war too!!
Yuuzhan Vong have a soft spot in my heart but they I feel like they ruin the optimism, fantasy metaphysics, and Campbellian mythos of Star Wars and just turn it into a generic gritty hard sci fi drama. (Still a better idea than what Disney pulled out of their asses)
@@user-ig4dl4iv1j ehhh I disagree. I just think maybe towards the end it should have gotten a happier ending. We shouldn’t lose every character we love to win a war we don’t care nearly as much about as something like the empire.
@@Gamerteamguy entities from the edges of or outside the galaxy have always been part of star wars lore but I didn't like that the yv were immune to the force. It makes the force seem less like George Lucas's weird Taoist belief system and part of the Arthurian fantasy themes of the story and more just like the force is some radio signal that only exists in that one galaxy. I think its a way bigger offender than the midichlorians in this regard.
Your long videos have always been my favorites. Your analysis is always spot on and you are a very good narrator. I love everything you do and I wish you the best!
This was amazing, I've seen lots of SW content on CZcams and basically all your content and this video brought up many events that have rarely been touched on, I really appreciated your efforts with this one, and it really helped understand the time scale of everything
Thanks for all the hard work you put into this video. I haven't read anything legends so this was a nice summary for me. I would definitely be interested in more like this in the future.
I think we all learned that the post Endor era is kind of crazy, there were just too many writers all desperate to depict The Next Big Thing ; you just end up having a new enemy that had cleverly hidden in the core or the remote regions lining up to be defeated on a yearly basis. Too many cooks really can ruin the broth.
I thought there was just the Yuuzhan Vong War and the Republic dealing with Imperial WarLords, this really is if the Roman History had like 5 different Mongol Empires and 10 Crisis every year
@@carsoncity591 Disney canon is complete garbage and made me apathetic towards Star Wars in general. I only watch videos like this once in a while out of random feelings of nostalgia.
Exactly. You could stretch things out a lot more and give each concept its own space and time to develop. The thrawn trilogy was great but everyone had to try and top what came before without giving enough time in between.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, I really love any legends content i come across and this video is just absolutely great! we'd all love to see more lore videos like these keep up the good work man!
Can you do a series where you go more in depth in some of the bigger wars? Like thrawn campaign, yuuzhan vong war, legacy of the force, and fate of the jedi? Talking about who did what, who died and how, etc. You mention anakin, chewie, jaina, jacen, and mara jade at times however nobody who hasn't read those will have no idea how they died and nobody will know who the new characters are except that they are solo and could be confused. (especially since canon had leia and han breaking up)
"There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. we don’t have 800-page novels, we don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be. We go through a really normal development process that everybody else does.” -Some Idiot
WOW!!! This was an outstanding video. Many thanks for your work. I read the Thrawn books, and the Vong books when they came out, but the rest was new to me.
Hey Eck, I don't comment that often but I'm glad you did this video, really satisfying to watch. Going to have to watch a few times, especially during my next readthrough. Can't wait for the next Tapcaf! : )
Thank you for this! I love the lore of Legends, and thanks for covering the Legacy Era- most Star Wars content creators really shy away from it haha. Great video, and I'd definitely love to see more c:
Coming back from Friday’s video to watch this again because I loved it so much. I’d love more of these. This just sums up post endor perfectly. It kind of makes me want to play Thrawn’s Revenge
This is awesome! Eckartsladder continues to be one of the best written and run Star Wars Lore channels. (And my personal Favorite) Keep up the Great work Justin!
I knew about many of the conflicts Post-Endor in Legends, but not to this extent. It just seemed like one war after another and you begin to wonder if it would ever end. I do like parts of it though, such as the Fel Empire. It almost feels very convoluted, and I wish it was somewhat more straightforward, so many factions and divisions, I could never fully get my head around all that went down after Endor. This was a great video though, your hard work was worth it :)
Really love this video! I'd love for a 20-30 minute breakdown of the clone wars and how they progressed. The videos I've found are either too long (1-2 hours PER YEAR) or way too short
some video ideas/areas I would like more information on: - more details about the earliest and latest points of history in the star wars galaxy known to us - a one video complete summary of the yuuzan vong invasion and their defeat (seen so many snippets but never a whole video depicting everything) - outlines of the people who helped build the universe in big ways, for example Timothy Zahn - eck's personal favorite characters throughout the star wars timeline
I'm with you. I would actually prefer if the titles were switched, because it seems to me that modern canon is really good at telling emotional and meaningful stories, but doesn't do nearly as well at worldbuilding and logical consistency as the old canon (except when it comes to mystical force-stuff, which is equally confusing and contradictory in both), but all in all I think they are both very good at what they do and I like that they can both exist side-by-side.
eck your content helps so many of us through a lot. these longer types of videos which obviously take up a lot of your time and effort are incredible even if the views don’t reflect that. we fans wouldn’t know what to do if you quit now after going so far!
It would be a LOT of work, but a retrospective on the Galactic Republic from 25,000BBY to 19BBY done in this style would be very helpful and interesting. Excellent work!
Thank you for all of the effort you put into this. It was amazing content, very informational, and I learned a lot. I am a big star wars fan and It's always refreshing to learn something totally new. Thanks Justin!
If you want more stuff like this PLEASE like the video. Everyone’s support helps! I’d love to do a ton of these, but if no one watches I can’t.
These are precisely my favorite type of videos, specially when focused on the Legends Expanded Universe, so I'd be immensely grateful if you made more like this one. No matter how much I have to wait, I'll always watch them with enthusiasm. And I'd also like to thank you for everything you've shared with us over the years. You were always 1 of my favorites.
Really liked this video, I have been reading Star Wars Legends since the beginning of the year and this video helps me remember the stuff.. it is a lot of lore, some battles I just forget about.
I would love more videos like this one! Great quality!
More please.
So I would love more videos on Legends story arcs like the Isard and Zinj campaigns, but from a behind-the-scenes perspective. For instance, bring in that book Courtship ofPrincess Leia and even the way Stover’s Shadows of Mindor dovetails into everything while being uncharacteristically gritty.
Yes please, more legends deep dives. Would love to see more on the dark empire
Palpatine: *sends out gigantic fleets and almost wipes out the republic*
Also Palpatine 10 second later: *starts a fucking civil war in his own empire*
oh yeah its dark empire time!
Sanity in insanity, my friends! *laughs in Sith Lord*
Yeah so what they deserve it, no loose ends and no wannabes
And I don't mean to bring them into this too much, but this is kind of the part of post-endor that canon grabbed... Man...
Sheev is the best, though.
Sheev: Everyone thinks they're so funny.
Sheev: Well I'm about to be _hilarious._
Yhuzhan Vong: start ransacking planets
Luke’s entire order, the entire new republic, the imperial remnant and Lando’s army of murder happy droids: *ya’ll hear something?*
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Didn't Palpatine have an inclination something was coming from outside the galaxy so he started building superweapons.
@@HVLLOWS1999 yeah BUT when you ACTUALLY SENSE an enemy thats so powerful you might NOT be able to beat it alone COMING an you KNOW it/they are coming for blood an aren't interested in peace if your gonna prep to FIGHT IT. He shoulda held HIS troops back while HONESTLY talking to the Republic about peace an exposing the threat of the Vong.. then let the Republic do least half the serious fighting THEN turned. On them if he was so Hell bent to be the bad guy. Of which THIS would've been the one time we coulda seem Palpatine as the evil sith psycho we know him to be become a "good guy" even if EVERYONE knows it won't last. The fact that the Republic, Jedi an heroes especially Jedi will b able to sense it's legit would IMMEDIATELY give them all pause an raise eyebrows
Here? Here what?
@TheStatement I've started reading the New Jedi Order books, and that's probably the thing that has bothered me most so far. If he and the others in the New Republic knew Yuuzhan Vong were coming and knew they were a threat, what possible reason would they have for ignoring them?
Chewie did
Damn, this galaxy just can't get a break.
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Star Wars in a nutshell
@MarkTheMeat Duh
@@captainvalourous6668 lol
There is a reaso why it's called Star "Wars" for a reason.
God damn, as a super super casual Star Wars fan whose biggest adventure out of the movies has been the games this is really really cool, I had no idea so much happened in the old canon after Endor, insane work bro! Can't imagine how long this must've taken to make
You both are legends and I love y’all’s content. Keep doing what you do🤘🏼
I can hear your voice in this comment...
So you have to be really living in a cave if you didn't see 200+ books and comics since the 90s
@@TheGreatMandalore it is very possible for a casual fan to either not know about them or not have a clue what they are or where to start. The books were always niche and never really got much attention or promotion from lucasarts, then Disney takes the official stance of they never existed so it is beyond believable for it to happen.
“The Imperial Civil War was likely a work of Palpatine.”
And he wonders why he lost!
"Wait, actively destroying your own military is a bad idea? I'm shocked, shocked I say!" -Sheev Palpatine
Yeah... After wiping out most of the Jedi and forming the Empire, Palpatine got arrogant. That and his reliance on superweapons. Seriously, did he have a planet busting fetish or something?!
@@johnnygyro2295 It is actually a common trait of Sith Lords. They love their super weapons.
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Vader must've been the exception then. Outside of trying to use the Aeon Engine to bring back Padme, he seemed more of the "we need better training and ships" mentality. If he and Thrawn were in charge the Empire might've worked out better.
Interesting, so this is true in both Legends and canon (with Operation Cinder/the Contingency)
Galactic Empire: Dies
Alien Species: It's free real estate
*"Legends" is the new way to say "canon"*
Legends is the new way to say better
@@cumunist2120 Even though the Dark Empire is basically half of the plot of Episode IX which people dislike.....
@@danielhales8169 Yeah but look at otyer stories in the eu. They're mostly much muvh better.
No it's more or less the same, Palpatine clones himself a lot, a new Empire tries to rise and ultimately falls, Luke is felt out of place turning to the Dark Side (as a ploy)/dead. And Palpatine tries to transfer his spirit into another being Rey/Anakin.
@@danielhales8169 Operation Shadow hand from dark empire although still one of the worst written threads of galactic civil war makes much more sense than Exegol. The biggest issues with DE that I have are: A) they became unrealisticly strong in a very short time, B) Palpatine has endless supplies of clones. That's the one thing they did better in disney canon, where Palpatine had just one clone that was able to be controleld. But overall, old canon verion is more logical than new canon. The latter presents a fleat of thousands of star destroyers each capable of blowing off a damn planet! And despite having it, old idiot Palpatine dicided that he should use remnants of the old empire not for the purpose of his final order but to create a separate faction that will destroy the new republic. Becouse why not....In Legends it is shown that Palpatine had to strugle with reunifying the empire. The only reason he converted the empire into dark empire is becouse he knew he can't trust warlords some of whom propably don't rven belive that it's the real emperor. He had to controll everything on his own, with the dark side itself. And the universe spanning magocracy thing, it was what was meant to be the ultimate form of the empire but after endor those plans were unreachible. Anyway, sorry for long comment, dark empire although with many major flaws, fits legends much better than so called episode 9 fits the new canon.
Legends lore is just as chaotic and beautiful as I remember it. God I love this side of Star Wars
Controversial as they were at the time, we needed a "Yuuzhan Vong" and not a "First Order" if Disney wanted to restart canon. I especially liked how they threatened to tear the galaxy apart and it took the Imperial Remnant and Alliance joining forces to ultimately beat them.
It would be great, though George Lucas, before he sold Lucasfilm, was in early preparations for his sequels. They were going to be about Maul returning with an apprentice and rebuilding his crime empire to destroy the rebuilding Republic. The empire in George's mind was destroyed entirely in galactic civil war, without a truce, so no empirial remnant unfortunately. There were just some rogue forces left which were likely gonna play some rule. But overall tbh, NJO nad LOTF are still better than those plans.
@@emzonik8851 tbh a crime empire would still be a more novel idea than Empire 2.0. It doesn't sound as bad as sequels, but doesn't sound near NJO level
Imagine that, a galatic threat causing the Imperial remnants and the new republic to work together. That would have been good set up for the Sith to return and cause an imperial civil war.
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NJO and LOTF? What's the?
@@thalmoragent9344 New Jedi Order and Legacy Of The Force novel series. The former (detailing the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion) is 19 books long, the latter (2'nd Galactic Civil War) is 9 books long. But they're great. It's the Legends' version if the sequels.
I love this era, but “Galactic Federation of Free Alliances” is one of the worst names I’ve ever heard.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I wasnt into the new Jedi order and Yuuzhan Vong but that grew alot on me and I love it now!!!
oh god yeah the name is pretty terrible, in my opinion it should've been called the "Galactic Federation" or something like that.
But the lore is pretty epic though!
@@bonno55 For the most part they did just call it the Galactic Federation, or Galactic Alliance. It was very rare for them to use the full title, which was abbreviated "GFFA" as a reference to "galaxy far, far away".
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yes, sounded a lot like the “United Federation Of Planets”.
Even "Galactic Federation of Free Allies" sounds better if they want to force the "GFFA" abbreviation to work. Free Alliances is just strange.
Awww ya imma settle in for this one
Yeah! Hey, Jym!
I made popcorn
Lol "settle"
Whhaaatttt????? Night docs subscribes to eck?
@@forcierlogan The man has good taste-
Only 3k views? I’m a Legends fan, and I think this topic is just intimidating. It’s 30 years worth of books and comics, half of which are good, half of which are ridiculous. Bummer, because I can only image the work that’s gone into this video
Give it time. Some of us weren't able to see the video immediately. Less than 24 hours after going up and it's nearing 30K.
You wanted to say 90% are good and 10% are ridiculous. Stop spreading bs.
@@TheGreatMandalore 💛
@@TheGreatMandalore I mean Waru and the Crystal Dtat, though....😁
It’s 2 years later and it’s 704k views
Can't wait for the entire "Shadows of the Empire" summary of events from Battle of Hoth to Return of the Jedi. There was so much media taking place in that era that created some of the more beloved (and sometimes hammy) EU original characters.
So pissed that got retconned by Disney. That media was created specifically by Lucasfilm across multiple mediums to fill that void, it's far more legitimate than a lot of other EU material
@@PeteTemplar101 Most EU material was "legitimate", but if you mean that having Shadows cross over multiple mediums (comics, games, novels, etc.) gave it more importance, then I can somewhat agree, because it means it had greater exposure, same as the Clone Wars multimedia project. Although that "extra" importance is superficial: they still fell into the same spot on the canon hierarchy as the rest of the EU.
Who cares what Mickey Mouse says, stupid rat can’t get inside my head and change which piece of fictional media I hold as valid
Post- NJO extended universe is absolutely freaking wild, didn't realize just how absolutely bonkers shit got
Great vid Ecky! A lot of fans seem to dislike the Yuuzhan Vong War since it feels out of place for Star Wars, but I like how unique and different it is to anything we've seen before. That, and the Thrawn Campaign are the highlights of this era for me.
I love things that are unique and different (strange and weird) in Star Wars...
I totally agree with you, the Vong war was really nice to read. It's took sooooo much time, but really well done. :)
*cough cough* Mass Effect 3 *cough cough*
i mean i never got that, like they fit into star wars, what about them did people not get lol
I never understood why, I mean it was awesome, and it makes you wonder whether Palpatine knew about it
I have the books to find out about this but I’d much rather listen to Echk read it out, and that’s saying something cuz I love reading.
MUCH rather?
Damn legends is so mind boggling how lived in it is
This is the true timeline after Endor, Legends is where it’s at when it comes to Star Wars.
This is and always will be the canonical timeline for me. I like to pretend the Disney sequels don’t exist!
@@grandmasterbroda1429 hahaha cope
Cope harder
@@arnimzola1139 you realize how much time the sequels have stolen? 9 hrs of trash so many of us will never get back again. X millions of people, that's whole lifetimes wasted. You could say they're murders.
@@jamIam6548 lol what
Brings a tear to my eye all this nostalgia, love 25+ ABY
I always loved the ships of the Fel Empire and One Sith, they don't get enough love.
The storm trooper design is high key the best design. Legacy is the best time in Star Wars.
This is honestly way better than what we got in canon.
Disney would have made a lot more money making shows and movies based off Legends rather than trying (and failing) to write their own material.
@@robertnelson9599 this is what they should of done, when they bought star wars in 2012 they should do adaptation either in 2019 or 2023 where D-aging is very good use and already has disney plus since 2019 and they could use a TV show in Disney plus called
Star Wars: expanded universe
Where every season is the adaptation where season 1 is thrawn trilogy adaptation and then next is dark empire and then Jedi academy and new Jedi order every seasons and would be 15 episodes and 40 mins episode, it would be the biggest star wars content ever. Also before this show should of existed they should of done more star wars EU comics and books of any new characters and stories in the star wars timeline, also cartoons and of course movies, they should of done a trilogy of alot of new established characters in there own trilogy taking place in the star wars EU timeline or just star wars timeline and of course in 2023 they should of done the after return of the Jedi EU storylines that I mentioned. Star wars would of been in a great place by now
Guys remember what Kathleen Kennedy said. " *We* *have* *no* *source* *materials* "
@@jigolocana7492 they need dave and Jon to be the head of the freakin Lucasfilm and I would hope atleast bring back the EU as canon, id be very fine if they decanonized sequel trilogu and current canon and bring back the original EU and maybe try fitting rebels and clone wars and of course rhe mandalorian to fit into the EU, and especially rebels since I think there was in episode where they establish the rebel while in the EU the force unleash they establish the rebel alliance, they could of had two establishment where the first they did it with starkiller in the force unleashed and of course in rebels later when they publicly announced it, also for thrawn where he went to the unknown legion with ezera but in the EU I believed he was sent to the unknown region by palpatine before palpatine died so what thrawn could of done is coming back or finding a way to go back to the main star wars galaxy and then later on get sent back to the unknown region by palpatine. Plus also the rebel show could continue with there own storyline in the EU timeine, called
star wars new republic. But to be honest this show doesnt need to be a tie in to the original trilogy characters storylines after battle of endor but im sure its possible they can fit in the EU/real star wars timeline.
At this point I agree. Legends has some big story problems post Return of the Jedi but it is way more interesting and unique then anything post Jedi in canon up to this point. Honestly think Mandelorian should just retcon the sequels.
I love when you reached 25 ABY, the Yuuzhan Vong War and called it the main event cause it really was.
The Sith Eternal is basically the Crimson Empire, because their focus on the color red
A fusion of Crimison Empire with Dark Empire
I think you mean “The Final Ordahh”
@@ImTheReverse lol
I completely forgot how expansive the whole lore was, I took a 2 year break from Star Wars ( - the Bad Batch, Season 7 CW and Mando). Thanks for the reintroduction, happy to see you with so many subs.
Not even the whole lore, just the post endor lore
Yeah Disney has books to go off of and decided to do their own story instead of letting lucasfilm do what they know is best
A series on the history of SW legends universe would be good! There's 13 Billion years of history in the legends timeline but it really picks up around 100,000 BBY so that's a good start point. It would most likely have to be spit into a bunch of parts.
Yes please! Old republic stuff please!
I can't wait for Eck to read both Cult and the upcoming Supernatural Encounters. His original thoughts on a lot of vague lore he explains in old videos will be changed...
One thing I do like from the new canon is the period of peace between Endor and whatever the war in the sequel trilogy is called. In Legends it feels like the New Republic never got a break
WOW, the Legends timeline is more..................complex than I remembered. I still have most of the novels and comics (The main comics only) from this era. Timothy Zahn was a huge influence on the Star Wars Legends Universe. He created Mara Jade and Thrawn, and the idea that Star Wars storylines could be more than just flash fantasy (which I like as well) and more political intrigue with tactics.
Wow! Legends was way more busy than I thought. Too busy really. Though I guess that's to be expected if we're talking about a whole galaxy. We only get a few years of peace and quiet on Earth between our various crises.
Oh by all means, Legends is expansive, dense and at times contradictory and messy.
It's kind of why so many people love it
@@An_Inconvenience It's also a big part of why it was no great surprise when Disney axed it; if and when Lucas got around to doing _his_ much anticipated sequel trilogy it was kind of understood that most if not all of the post-Endor EU would become definitively non-canon instead of the not-quite canon it had been.
I mean, I'm not sure that's really true about Earth. At any given point there may be a war somewhere (although true interstate wars these days are actually very rare, it's usually civil wars with proxy groups supported by other states) but we've not have a world war for 77 years, unless you count the Cold War, which was really more of a string of proxy conflicts. In the grand scale of human history, the world relatively peaceful. We have crises at the moment, but they aren't particularly existential, with the semi-exception of climate change.
The Star Wars universe is more like if the Syrian Civil War lasted decades and was global, with every side in a total-war footing. There isn't any comparison.
@@merrymachiavelli2041 you gotta think about it. We’re talking about a galaxy, so War is everywhere and likely someone bringing war to earth
On a galactic scale, there would be constant wars. Big ones, small ones and so it’s a wonder how the Jedi, all by themselves, were even able to keep the peace in a galaxy ripe with conflict. They certainly would have been too busy to notice a sith lord rising to power.
This is my favorite era of Star Wars, Post-Endor Legends
Do another video like this but for the old republic era (Hyperspace war, Mandalorian wars, jedi civil war, the Great Galactic war, Valkorian's empire). I would love to see that.
Love this format! I know YT is really difficult right now, but you've legitimately been doing some of your best work in the last few months!
Commander Cody, the time has come.
Would love to see more like this. I’m not very familiar with Legends
Should read it bro. Way better than the sequels.
Me too. I wanted to learn more about legends timeline
same here
@@monkeymunchie9717 And how do you feel about it? Better than disney, huh?
@@emzonik8851 oh most definitely. But now Star Wars tv shows are in John Favreau and Dave Filoni's hands.
Man there were some stuff in legends that were really cool/interesting stories I STILL don't understand why they needed to literally de-canon everything..
In order to make way for their characters like rey, holdo, rose tico, phasma, finn, and kylo ren of course
@@thealexgundam5006 yeah but my point was it was *everything* they didnt have to de canonize like everything they couldve kept some good parts ah xD
@@arekuisanda
Oh, no I was joking/ i frankly dont understand it either( straight up copied the ot empire vs rebels, ruining past characters, and just other dumb stuff)
@@thealexgundam5006 Oh XD and yeahh yeah i agree
@@arekuisanda
And worst part is were stuck with it, unlike anime or other genre who at least do another timeline or several years apart on different characters like gundam.
The next part after episode 9 will be more rey, ya I'm not interested
Oh yeah, I seriously, seriously love long videos. It can be a pain to find something genuinely entertaining to watch, long breaks from the search are much appreciated.
Despite how chaotic it is on crisis of the third century in Rome levels *(which isn't bad just depends how you write it)* this is what I consider as my official headcanon. Nothing can replace Mara Jade and EU Thrawn in my book besides the conflicts are alot more interesting and forthcoming then what we have now.
Great job man, I stopped reading after the NJO, missed all the Legacy stuff. Great to be reminded of better times.
Edit: I read up to the end of Legacy, missed the Fate of the Jedi. Christ it’s been so long I can’t remember.
In the grim darkness of a galaxy far away there is only war.
I will never forgive Disney for retconning the Yuuzhan Vong and how Chewbacca died by challenging a freaking moon as it crashed down
Is this sarcasm XD? The Vong are very interesting...and Chewie didn't challange the moon, he died in flames of burning atmosphere before it hit the planet.
I had such a good time w/ the New Jedi Order, Jacen & Jaina, the Vong, Anakin Solo/Jeedai Heresy, and Darth Caedus. IMHO it was better than what we have now.
This is one of your best videos yet! Can't wait for more like this!
Love the lore behind all that was established through Novels and Darkhorse back in the day. I neglected my collections over the last 2 decades and lost them so it's great to see the glimpses of the artwork again. Thanks Ecks!
I loved this video, please do more like this. Maybe a full video on the events of the Yuuzhan Vong war?
Star wars gameplay: Wizards with laser swords
Good soldiers follow orders
War crimes
Superweapons being destroyed by the good guys
Star wars lore:
For me the Yuuzhan Vong was my favorite it took SW to dark territories aside from the suffering caused by the deaths of over 300 trillion lifeforms, you had courageous but tragic sacrifices from Chewbacca and Anakin Solo, events that would create 2 Sith Lords whom fall from grace that would cause devastation to the Galaxy Darth Caedus and Darth Krayt sentenced to Yuuzhan Vong torture really awesome Lore too!! I also like the One Sith Empire against the Galactic Alliance war too!!
Yuuzhan Vong have a soft spot in my heart but they I feel like they ruin the optimism, fantasy metaphysics, and Campbellian mythos of Star Wars and just turn it into a generic gritty hard sci fi drama. (Still a better idea than what Disney pulled out of their asses)
@@user-ig4dl4iv1j ehhh I disagree. I just think maybe towards the end it should have gotten a happier ending. We shouldn’t lose every character we love to win a war we don’t care nearly as much about as something like the empire.
@@Gamerteamguy entities from the edges of or outside the galaxy have always been part of star wars lore but I didn't like that the yv were immune to the force. It makes the force seem less like George Lucas's weird Taoist belief system and part of the Arthurian fantasy themes of the story and more just like the force is some radio signal that only exists in that one galaxy. I think its a way bigger offender than the midichlorians in this regard.
@@user-ig4dl4iv1j the midichlorians are cool as fuck especially if you understand what the whills are
@@Gamerteamguy i agree wholeheartedly, which makes the YV being immune to the force even more discordant.
Thank you for the illuminating history of the conflicts that took place after Endor!
Amazing work Eck, thank you for such a thorough and detailed look at the post-Endor period, I learned a lot in this!
I'd love to see a video like this covering everything pre-Episode 1. Great vid Eck!
That would be a long video
Geetslys has a whole series on it over on their channel if you want to watch that
@@michaelandreipalon359 they have a hold series on republic history pre-phantom menace
Your long videos have always been my favorites. Your analysis is always spot on and you are a very good narrator. I love everything you do and I wish you the best!
This was amazing, I've seen lots of SW content on CZcams and basically all your content and this video brought up many events that have rarely been touched on, I really appreciated your efforts with this one, and it really helped understand the time scale of everything
You have just created the seminal video on the legends timeline! Future generations will thank you for preserving this :)
Thanks for all the hard work you put into this video. I haven't read anything legends so this was a nice summary for me. I would definitely be interested in more like this in the future.
Loved this, would really enjoy more long form videos like this
You put so much work into your videos. Thank you for producing quality content.
I think we all learned that the post Endor era is kind of crazy, there were just too many writers all desperate to depict The Next Big Thing ; you just end up having a new enemy that had cleverly hidden in the core or the remote regions lining up to be defeated on a yearly basis. Too many cooks really can ruin the broth.
Exactly. I hate this. It’s too much, not that the new canon is much better, but at least it’s easier to digest
I thought there was just the Yuuzhan Vong War and the Republic dealing with Imperial WarLords, this really is if the Roman History had like 5 different Mongol Empires and 10 Crisis every year
@@carsoncity591 Disney canon is complete garbage and made me apathetic towards Star Wars in general. I only watch videos like this once in a while out of random feelings of nostalgia.
Didn’t ask but ok
Exactly. You could stretch things out a lot more and give each concept its own space and time to develop. The thrawn trilogy was great but everyone had to try and top what came before without giving enough time in between.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, I really love any legends content i come across and this video is just absolutely great! we'd all love to see more lore videos like these
keep up the good work man!
Brilliantly done. Legends are so delightfully complex.
Really enjoyed this video, I hope the algorithm starts working again
Wow bro this video was amazing. Would love to see more of this
Love you Eck really appreciate all the hard work you do
Can you do a series where you go more in depth in some of the bigger wars? Like thrawn campaign, yuuzhan vong war, legacy of the force, and fate of the jedi? Talking about who did what, who died and how, etc. You mention anakin, chewie, jaina, jacen, and mara jade at times however nobody who hasn't read those will have no idea how they died and nobody will know who the new characters are except that they are solo and could be confused. (especially since canon had leia and han breaking up)
"There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. we don’t have 800-page novels, we don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be. We go through a really normal development process that everybody else does.” -Some Idiot
Fantastic work Eck. I love this type of video.
WOW!!! This was an outstanding video.
Many thanks for your work. I read the Thrawn books, and the Vong books when they came out, but the rest was new to me.
This is magnificent work. Never heard of this channel before, but I am now subscribed. I hope this video has a long tail of viewing for you.
Hey Eck, I don't comment that often but I'm glad you did this video, really satisfying to watch. Going to have to watch a few times, especially during my next readthrough.
Can't wait for the next Tapcaf! : )
This is an absolute juggernaut of a video!
It might be big enough to be divided into parts
Thank you for this! I love the lore of Legends, and thanks for covering the Legacy Era- most Star Wars content creators really shy away from it haha. Great video, and I'd definitely love to see more c:
This is an awesome episode!
Best video yet. Love your content!
Coming back from Friday’s video to watch this again because I loved it so much. I’d love more of these. This just sums up post endor perfectly. It kind of makes me want to play Thrawn’s Revenge
Loved this video, I enjoyed the lore dump and the longer format.
This is awesome! Eckartsladder continues to be one of the best written and run Star Wars Lore channels. (And my personal Favorite)
Keep up the Great work Justin!
Do a deep-dive on Shadows of Mindor.
Wow!! So detailed! Thank you! I’ve shared to a couple of my friends as well!
This was a fantastic summary of so much of Legends! Thanks for putting it together
Love the long form content. More please
I knew about many of the conflicts Post-Endor in Legends, but not to this extent. It just seemed like one war after another and you begin to wonder if it would ever end. I do like parts of it though, such as the Fel Empire. It almost feels very convoluted, and I wish it was somewhat more straightforward, so many factions and divisions, I could never fully get my head around all that went down after Endor. This was a great video though, your hard work was worth it :)
Love this stuff man, between this, the versus battles and the breakdowns you make excellent content.
Really enjoyed this one :) said thank you for the effort and thoroughness. I can tell there was a ton of effort put in
Really love this video! I'd love for a 20-30 minute breakdown of the clone wars and how they progressed. The videos I've found are either too long (1-2 hours PER YEAR) or way too short
BTW, if you need some CGI animation, I'd love to help. I've sent you a Twitter DM a while back but you I don't think you saw it
some video ideas/areas I would like more information on:
- more details about the earliest and latest points of history in the star wars galaxy known to us
- a one video complete summary of the yuuzan vong invasion and their defeat (seen so many snippets but never a whole video depicting everything)
- outlines of the people who helped build the universe in big ways, for example Timothy Zahn
- eck's personal favorite characters throughout the star wars timeline
Really loved this. Would greatly enjoy more regular longer form content. Keep being awesome, Eck!
Great video Eck! I enjoyed it!
Tl, dr
"Yeah an Empire revival fleet out of nowhere re-established the empire but then failed"
x 20
Most of them aren’t Exegol sized through, so there’s that.
>out of nowhere
You are a complete embarrassment to human intelligence.
Very violent galaxy. Nice place to visit. Wouldn't want to live there.
Dude... this is great. Thanks for filling in all of the gaps! And... wow. The missing parts in my timeline are super sick!
This was really well made, looking forward to more
Love seeing Legends stuff on here. Though I like the new canon stuff a lot, I’m glad legends still kinda has a place.
Careful, the hardcore fans might @ you for this
I'm with you. I would actually prefer if the titles were switched, because it seems to me that modern canon is really good at telling emotional and meaningful stories, but doesn't do nearly as well at worldbuilding and logical consistency as the old canon (except when it comes to mystical force-stuff, which is equally confusing and contradictory in both), but all in all I think they are both very good at what they do and I like that they can both exist side-by-side.
Sequel fan detected, opinion rejected
eck your content helps so many of us through a lot. these longer types of videos which obviously take up a lot of your time and effort are incredible even if the views don’t reflect that. we fans wouldn’t know what to do if you quit now after going so far!
Needed this video, had all this random knowledge but no way to order , cheers mate
Clearly the algorithm prefers Star Wars Explained which was 5 years ago, this video deserves far more views.
Wow, that's a lot of Star Wars.
I love it!
It would be a LOT of work, but a retrospective on the Galactic Republic from 25,000BBY to 19BBY done in this style would be very helpful and interesting.
Excellent work!
I loved this comprehensive video. Your hard work is obvious and appreciated!
Eck, you've made yet another banger video. Thank you
these really were the star wars
He's the chosen one, he Will bring back balance in the Force...
Yesss I love these longer video's!
Thank you for all of the effort you put into this. It was amazing content, very informational, and I learned a lot. I am a big star wars fan and It's always refreshing to learn something totally new.
Thanks Justin!