Which Chain Cleaner is Best? Comparison Test
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2019
- Ryan goes deep into the dizzying world of motorcycle chain cleaners, talking about lubrication, rubber, penetration and...er, I think it's better if you just watch the video.
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Simple Green Cleaner & Degreaser - frt9.co/90ah8e
Oxford Mint Chain Cleaner - frt9.co/ln074l
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iPone Chain Cleaner Spray - frt9.co/a1gn0b
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Man, if I ever get a motorcycle I’ll have such a wealth of knowledge. Until then, I’m just a guy with no bike watching this channel.
Don't worry dude, you'll get there
Yeah, there is a big family out there, ready to wellcome you my dude 👍
Then you enter the, I have a motorcycle but insurance is trying to rob me, camp. Lol
Make it two
ACL9000 don’t forget ramp or trailer then mechanical hoping it pass without extra cost and finally taxes. I just been through it and I wish I would saw your message before I bought a R3, because it’s important knowing about the extra money and insurances won’t give ya a break unless you have the course. Thanks.
Seriously this is the most informative and valuable motorcycle info source available anywhere. Thank you for all you do guys, can't wait for the chain lube video!
Agreed. The cycling community is all over this, but they don't have o-rings to deal with. Motorbike chains are higher tension so most cycle chain cleaning tools won't work. and unlike cycles. a jammed chain could send you down the road at horrifying speeds, so it more important to do a good job.
Agree
Here here. such a great deal of thought goes into this
Besides Forty Times Around of course!
B.S. tests to sell chain lube products backed up by the thumbs up posts of people working in the motorcycle industry and suckers who believe them.
Responsible adults have great concern for the integrity of their rubber.
Ryan is a national treasure
Condom
@@rony.482 ....America needs some national treasures about now. Can we share him?
@john doe but yiu have Homelander
Haha
I cannot believe the amount of incredible preparation and forethought that went into this production. Your testing methodologies are simple, elegant and appropriate. Great job, Ryan!
And this, my friends, is the most useful video of 2019. Period.
Majes calmate coño que estás en todas las salsas
And 2020 as well...
And 2021 as well...
El majes está en todas 👌
MAJES?!?!
No more he say she say with cleaners and chemicals. Fortnine bringing objective science based tests.
Game changer!
*Adding Ipone to my shopping cart~
*Waiting for lube vid~
Tout pareil. Quand on a un conseil de pro on joue pas les apprentis mécaniciens.
Yep c'est en plein ça
there's a joke somewhere in there about lube and videos..........
Can't wait to see which lube is safe for all my rubbers!
Great video, but one thing I feel should be mentioned: WD-40 (or "Water Displacement, 40th Formula") is not a lubricant, despite containing some (VERY thin) mineral oil. It is not a cleaner, though it contains some solvent. It is not a penetrating oil. No, as perhaps the most misused aerosol in everyone's toolbox, it is a crude rust inhibitor originally created for thin-walled missile fuel tanks. Please people, do not think your chain is cleaned and lubricated with WD-40 (or that it's doing much to free up rusty nuts). Use the right tool.
"I expect the oil of Switzerland to occupy a neutral place in our contest" - hahahah! Ryan's sense of humor is great!
Brilliant point regarding a cleaner washing past the O-rings! I originally did that long soak video after seeing a much shorter test by Motorcyclist Magazine (looking back on our old videos is never a good idea - how did I think that audio was okay?!). I've unlisted it now, as while products like WD-40 won't damage an O-ring, I certainly wouldn't recommend cleaning a chain with something that's predominantly solvent, and has such good penetrative qualities.
I'm working on lube and cleaner tests at the moment - I did scrap the plans after seeing yours, but have picked it up again as I'll be focussing more on products available in the UK. As always, top work! Cheers, John Milbank
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John, any chance you could share the link for your video pls?
@@Theriion czcams.com/video/noshjM5CDas/video.html
Would love to see normal motorcycle cleaners in there like S100 and Fenwick's!! It is quite convenient to use the same cleaner and wash chain at same time.
@@conradsimas2191 In that case, here you go. A FULL test of 69 cleaners... czcams.com/video/9NsFLPDgFqA/video.html Cheers, John
Still the best bike channel on YT👍 also Ryan rocks👊
This guy needs a million + subscribers. Definitely UNDERRATED
Do not praise him too much or he will not be able to find a helmet to fit! ;-)
Before the video: I hope the chain cleaner I bought isn't awful.
After the video: Dammit.
Same thought here... I usually use Motorex and in a pinch, Motul (since it's available at the dealership right by me)
I done fucked up..
I use motul on my o ring chain.. holy shit
I use Maxima... time to change I guess haha
I always used kerosene, and I'm just about to replace my chain ... I won't be using it on the new one!
Videos like this are incredible. In under 10 minutes Ryan:
- Compared a multitude of chain cleaners using various tests
- Demonstrated proper chain-cleaning methods
- Gave a crash-course on the innerworkings of a chain
- Kept us entertained
but he used wd40 not wd40 chain degreaser.
Interesting since I've used Motul products for years and had a chain last for 30k miles easily. I think the most important thing is that you clean and lube it regularly. Also keep the chain adjusted.
As long as you lube your chain after cleaning it, a cleaner slipping past the O-Ring itself isn't going to harm the chain. O-rings don't create a vacuum seal so as long as the cleaner isn't degrading the rings themselves, you're in good shape. I love motul chain cleaner and their lubricant is right up there with pj1 blue label for me.
I was scared that i'll ruin my chains, but this clears it up. Thank you.
@@TheWobbinator1 Isn't it a problem if the cleaner leak past the o-ring, dissolve the grease inside and leak out, taking the grease with it? What we need to know is if this scenario is possible. If not, the cleaner leaking in shouldn't raise any issues.
I think it's important to find out if orings we're lubed before they were tightened, because if they weren't, it's very possible that the orings tore, skewing results.
Also the chain is like 100 bucks :) A few thousand miles hardly matters.
I didn't expect the balloon to burst. Shit got serious after that.
I find this test misleading. Rubber o-rings are not made from the same material as a balloon. These rings need to withstand extreme temperatures (heat from the chain itself & winter cold) as well as abrasion... definitely not a balloon material, maybe vulcanized or synthetic rubber.
@@kopial please see 6:39
...Which is probably why they also did the test with proper O-rings...
@@SmartMass i know... that's why I say misleading as it includes an inaccurate test among the good tests they did.
It's great to see that I can pop balloons with chain cleaner
Meanwhile the motorcycle community and people I used to ride with thought I was stupid for using simple green so they used motul and motorex instead. Thanks for the great content as always Fortnine.
Yeah I'm putting my motul cleaner in the bin after seeing this.
I've always been a Simple Green & any oil guy. Of course I also avoid sealed chains on purpose.
@@Wolham I feel like doing the same * crying in the corner with a box full of Motul chain cleaner and lube *
@@BillyJoe1305 because you hate paying 5× the price of a non-sealed chain for 10× or more longevity?
@@deathwish8339 my experience isn't that I get 10x longevity, I'm pretty diligent about keeping my chain lubed. Squirt some slippery gunk on it every other day and it lasts about 3/4 the time. Last time I bought one it was half price, not a fifth though. You pricing bicycle chains or something?
I'll probably have to change my tune soon though, I'm looking at aluminum sprockets. I'll need a modern chain then.
Your videos are truly the best, the way you test things and the production quality are out of this world ryan. Keep it going, the motorcycle community loves you !
I like how thorough he is with the experiment and simple enough to understand and it's not even that long of a video. Cool & informative.
Can't get enough of these videos.
Pete tar get back to work Jim
Seriously, never stop making these videos. I am happy to wait 2/3 weeks for an upload of such quality.
Ryan you are the hardest working guy in the Moto CZcams world, the lube and cleaning test for chain products was very well done. I learned more than I thought possible, Thanks to my favorite Canadian on two wheels.
Ari did a test like that in the mc garage and found the same results. Hurray for experimenting!
This is where logic surpasses emotion. I LOVE bikes with all my heart, but I buy with my head. This review is orders of magnitude more informative than any other I have seen. And some of the innuendo is just delicious! You are the best , Ryan. Respect and fame become you.
This is how you conduct proper testing!
Well done, love your videos.
I just bought my first motorcycle. Thank you for guiding me through this new life with these amazing videos
The editing quality and humor of this channel is amazing!
WD-40 makes a chain cleaner specific product and it’s far more effective than regular wd-40. It comes out in a jet and foams on contact. It’s what I’m currently using, seems to work well but it would’ve been cool to see it in this vid.
penrite in Australia is fairly similar, foams up and removes heaps of shit right immediately.
Lovely... So nicely explained
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Love you bulu bhai
boring
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The best video ever done about this subject, never saw one with such range of tests... Congrats!
23k miles on stock chain, SUZ DR650 unmodified. Mostly commuting, occasional sandy trail rides. Cleaned every 600 miles (or after each sand ride, whichever came first) with kerosene, lubed with Maxima Chain Wax. I really can't argue with that kind of longevity. However, I might convert to Simple Green after seeing this vid. Thanks for all you do.
You have to be careful when testing on balloons, not just because they will explode, but because of the rubber composition. Other than specialist balloons, most that you buy at your local store, etc are made from natural latex. The chain's X and O rings are made from Nitrile. Nitrile can be of many different compositions depending on what it is to be used for therefore it is highly likely that Kerosene will have no affect on those Nitrile O and X ring seals. (In fact one of the reasons that Nitrile is generally used in industry, etc, is its resistance to oils and fuels.) Suzuki used O ring chains, originally made by DID but not sure if they still are, and were recommending cleaning the chain with Kerosene and probably still are. So unless the balloon was made of Nitrile then that part of the test was a fail, though funny.
That is why he made the test with the orings.
@@helderduarte213 That's pretty obvious, isn't it?
the leak / seal test was also poor as the bottom of the surface wasn't supported. But fun to watch :))
Can i use diesel to clean my O-ring chain?
@@syafiqsyazwan9871 Similar to using kero.
This is insanely well done... Awesome work guys
Yo honestly man.. you have a amazing channel! Iv been watching your videos the past few weeks learning all I can about motorcycle gear, safety, etc. All awesome videos. Keep up the great work!
This comparison had it coming since ages, thank you Ryan! F9 is the best moto source on YT
Awesome video! Thank you for this priceless information!
Holy cow... It’s HeroRR! This is like going to the MotoGP and there’s Rossi sitting in front of you.
Oh, and yeah, great video Ryan. I had already settled on Ipone after trying different cleaners over the years; now I know why. Great stuff. The video I mean. You to HeroRR.
@@Radioactive_Slime dude, herorr is no doubt, a great guy. But if one makes YT videos, he is no god. No one is.
Hats off to Ryan and the guys at FortNine for making this! Great info, expertly done. looking forward to the next one on chain lube.
I have had good results using Muc Off. It may not perform the best on the cleaning score, but I like that it doesn’t penetrate the seals and is highly available where I live. Great review!!
This video is both entertaining and very informative. Can't believe I watched it twice.
Best video of it's category 👌 by far.
Thank you guys
This channel is bringing its “A” game to the field! Love the work put into this topic and the science behind it!
Wow I’ve been using maxima for years and works great. Interesting. Great video as always!
This is one of the best consumer product tests I've ever seen in the motorcycle world--the only competition being your chain lube test. Unfortunately, we basically can't get Ipone in the states. So simple green + my 360 degree brush it is for me...
This video took a huge amount of time and effort to be made
Thank you man!
Ryan has turned his channel into the most informative and hilarious and thereby the best on here. Great product testing providing you can see through the tears of laughter.
not that funny
@@daveyjoseph6058 shut up loser
Amazing content as always!! Greetings from Mexico!
Dude, you guys are flipping awesome. These tests were really decent.
Absolutely best and thorough analysis ever seen!!! Keep it up!
"A success otherwise known as failure." That got me :)
Easily the most comprehensive test I've seen. Well done.
This reminds me of a Project Farm video. Simple, Concise, and no bullshit. Great vid Ryan, and also very informative.
Mr. Ryan, you sir are in ny top 3 favorite CZcams channels over all. Which I know isn't saying much because I'm a nobody but considering how many interests I have, and subsequent channels I watch, there are a ton of contenders lol. And one of the reasons you are at the top is your pure consistency.
5:28
*"Now, responsible adults have great concern for the integrity of their rubber."*
I seem to be hearing something else unrelated to chain cleaning in the background
Great video, very well done using a scientific method. I was very surprised on the O-ring bypass test, especially sense most chain manufactures recommend Kerosene as a cleaner. I think your test fixture could be causing more random results than the affect cleaner type. I suspect that using HVAC sheet metal is way too thin to have consistent o-ring pressure, even when applying constant torque. The thin metal could collapse and randomly cause a leak path past the ring. I think if you had a metal cup with the same thickness as the a typical link plate your results could be very different.
Which chain cleaner do you use? I was thinking the same thing. I tried using WD40 but it does a poor job compared to old lady kerosene.
Shared some concern here. Were these holes all drilled to the same tolerance? Did the metal deform under load, causing the o-ring surface to be anything but planar?
What about disel? Old mechanics use it to clean engine space, there is plastic, ruber and all othere stuff, and it doesn't make any damage to it
@@fasic46 diesel fuel is a less refined form of kerosene .
Nichlas Rehnstam correct
Great video! I bought ipone from this review and it works amazing. Especially when I use the precision spray, I can watch the dirty chain lube fall off so easily.
Ryan. We took your advice on, and chose the iPone Chain Cleaner Spray, It is absolutely fantastic, it cleaned the chain in no time... Thankz
I watched all the way through even though my bike doesn't have a chain. Bravo, good job.
"A success otherwise known as failure"
Thanks for videos like this so I can keep referring back to your mostly scientific and unbiased reviews on maintenance products.
Super thorough and empirical as ever. It's like these manufacturers have all reinvented the wheel, with varying results. I know what I'll be using from now on. Cheers
All fortnines vids are so much more helpful and informative then i expect when i click on them. Always leaves me with the feeling of “wow that was a really well made video” and end up clicking on the next.
That's great! If ONLY I could find Ipone for sale in the US...
Guess we're sticking to simple green for now :(
use kerosene i guess
@@BobbyDully__P in the video simple green is better than kerosene
djromana17 most of owner manuals recommend kerosene. I did use it and Motul and my o-orings never broke.
@@SpyLeb1 but did the cleaner seep underneath the orings?
You put a lot of work into this one! Thank you 👍👍
I will stick with kerosene clean and 90W lube for my chains tho...cheap and effective.
I've been using kerosene since I bought my motorcycle. It is what the manual recommends for cleaning the chain.
What an absolutely quality test. Great work.
Thank you. I appreciate the time and effort you put into all the videos
So, after having watched both of these totally excellent videos (chain clean, chain lube), for the bargain shoppers amongst us, it's WD-40 to clean (because most importantly, it does not penetrate the O or X rings), and gear oil for lube? That is great info. And here I used to clean my X-ring chains with kerosene, on the regular. Not no mo. Thanks Ryan and crew, this is news we can use.
Gear oil can get quite messy if you are not careful. It will sling off your chain faster most other products.
WD-40 is not a lube. It is a water displacer. Hints W.D.
@@dr.jekyll2017 The comment you're responding to said "WD-40 to clean" and gear oil to lube - he didn't say WD-40 to lube.
Eh...WD-40 and a brush & old rag to clean the chain, and Bel-Ray Super Clean for a lube. Flawless. I'd use Ipone to clean, but have yet to find anyone selling it in the US.
I just use diesel to clean and lithium grease to lubricate. Both cheap and readily available. Motorcycle specific products tend to be overpriced in my opinion.
After experimenting with a few things I just settled on using gear oil both to clean and to lubricate my chain. It's cheap, accessible, safe for your seals, it's what my bike manufacturer recommends and if some of it stays in your chain after you wipe it off it won't cause any problems.
The way I do it is:
- Apply the thickest and cheapest gear oil I could buy on the dirty chain. I have a small thumb pump oiler just for that.
- Use a chain brush to break free any solid particles that have stuck so they are in suspension in said oil
- Wipe it all off with a rag or shop towel
- Apply gear oil on the now clean chain
- Spread it and wipe the excess with a clean rag or shop towel
It takes less than 5 minutes to do and I do it once a week without any issues. IMO chain cleaners and specialized lubricants are just a way to extract more money out of you. Exception may be done for chain wax if you drive a lot through very wet conditions so it makes a barrier against corrosion that will stay on your chain better.
I have been going crazy from so much conflicting info out there, but I think I will try your method with gear oil only. Thanks for the info. Can I ask, is 75W-90 ok? Or should I go with a heavier oil?
Another great review! Love that there is no conflict of interest.
What a nice video. Very helpful with a comprehensive explanation. After watching this video, i decided to buy the WD40 automotive series. The result is very sophisticated. Many thanks 👍
You always do a great job in your comparison tests using (dare I say it?) a pretty scientific methodology. Nicely done.
I thought this was a Project Farm video when I first clicked on it.
Huzza ! A man of culture !
Honestly we needed a project farm type channel for motorcycle things
But u were gifted with something even better
Me too.
Love his channel but can't deal with his voice.
Most informative videos on the net, great humour and production, keep it going
Great experiment! Thanks for your effort in all of this to us.
I've been using WD40 as a cleaner for 30 years now and have always gotten good lifespan out of my chains. Thanks to these results I'll continue to use WD40.
Everytime u use only wd40 for cleaning chain or
anyother chain cleaners to?
WD40 is the only thing I've ever used. Sorry for the year old reply, lol.@@WatchurbackFF
As Honda described in one of her old Japanese site.... Paraffin oil is the best Cleaner! I use simple Paraffin oil bought from a pharamacy. You can't imagine! Simply the Best. But i did love your test comparison
Interesting!
Thanks for the video. It's the most informative that I've seen and probably that I'll ever see. Plus it killed the myth that WD-40 damages the factory grease.
That’s the best chain cleaner review I’ve ever watched on CZcams.
I've been using only WD-40 on my chain for cleaning and lubing for years and have gotten 30,000 kms out of most chains. I spray it on after every ride whether I do a 700 km day or only 10 kms to Timmies for a coffee. Chain looks brand new all the time. Only time you get any fling off on the rear wheel is if you spray it on and then immediately go riding. Wait a while and it will dry and you will never get any fling off. I do about 18000 kms per season here in Canada and go through about three cans a year @ $6.00 can x 3 for $18.00 yearly.
Wd40 chain cleaner (designed by em for cleaning chains) should have put that one on as I used it on my chain and came up spotless!
Yeah came here to say that. You don't need to even scrub, but I'd be interested in how it affects o rings... It is expensive though
The chain gets clean indeed until you gotta throw it away as it destroys the o-ring. Bad experience with that, i still have a can left in the garage: i use it to clean everything else but the new chain i had to buy...
@@scldma114 cheers for the info pal, only used it once worked wondersbut if buggers chain orings then will just ise it to clean areas of bike and what would you recommend for chain? Ta pal
@@scldma114 How many applications and how much time did it take to eat your chain?
Exactly. Why would they use regular wd40 when the brand has got a specific product for that purpose only?
Just found this video. I am truly grateful for your time and dedication to bringing out this information. My manual recommends using karosene to clean my DID O ring chain. Likely causing the internal grease to wash out. This information is invaluable. Thank you!
I love the testing--opposite of hype. Someone obviously has a science background. And lovely penmanship to boot. Bravo.
Thanks for the great info. Apparently Ipone is very hard to find or is discontinued. What is your number 2 pick?
Looks like simply green (58% cheaper) and then wd40 (50% cheaper)
You guys just keep pumping out one great video after another. Stay awesome, and good luck catching your bagel thief Ryan!
I love your videos. You are a true man of science and think of everything. I have a lot of respect for that.
I rarely subscribe, but you definitely deserve it. Thank you for your time and effort.
NO... NO NO Please! Noooooo!
Motorex, it has been you all along! Dam you for siezing my chain links 😭
Such great production quality made me want to buy Ipone immediately.
I don’t own a motorcycle.
Go to a biker bar with your pone and some rags and charge a couple bucks a pop. Make some new friends.
Kirk Johnson and then save up those bucks to buy a ride😁
I get your point, but most “biker bars” ride Harleys...no chains...
Plus, its French, so very expensive and not very effective. I can use dawn soap and give me a minute with a brush can get the chain looking very clean. So, dont fall for expensive ipone, kerosene works just fine. Plus, used motorex for over 10 years, never had a chain failure, use it every 3-400 miles, chains always lasted over 20k miles. No x or oring failures.
@@CanonMatters2Me You make some great points. Thanks
Such an awesome test ! Good job guys
Damn nikka, thats a hell of a lot of work for a chain cleaner vid! Much appreciated!
Cool video, I've tried most of these and Maxima chain cleaner makes my chain spotless compared to others even though it preformed poorly in your tests, I think there could be a lot more variables that can affect performance...ie what kind of lube was on the chain previously, seemed like certain parts of the chain were dirtier etc etc..
Aye I just used maxima and worked as a charm compared to this test :/
This is the best comparison video on this topic ever.. thanks for saving me from using wrong cleaners.. looking forward for your next video on lubes.. cheers.!!
PS: Earned a subscriber 😁
This was a great test and value-add video. Thank you!
I use Ipone, before seeing this excellent analysis, now I’m more convinced and I’m going to see which one you have of the best lubricant. Thanks so much!!!
Heart sank a little when I saw the kerosene fail, I've sworn by that for years.
Klint Izwudd Yeah me too.
Kerosene only failed because of the rubber ring. If your chan doesn't have rubber rings, then its still a good pick.
@@hurlok yeah but in that case you can use straight up petrol which is even stronger.
I've been using kerosene on my chains for years. The chains in my motorcycle go up to 30kmiles to 35kmiles before replacing them.
@@hurlok ONLY if you use a chain lube, too.
I swear
You guys definitely need to source the music you guys use
It's very good
I used Motul for years on my last bike, good thing I saw this video before cleaning the chain on my new one.
Annnnnd switching from motul to ipone now. Thank you for the informative videos!
Why am I watching this my motorcycle uses a drive shaft
Because the production is so bloody great
I don’t even have a motorcycle
Me too 😂
Shut up
Because you secretly want to get a KTM 😉
Thanks for this test! I agree, a cleaner leaking past/around the o-ring/x-ring into the factory grease is a NO-GO! Kerosene surprised me on that test, as that has always been my chosen cleaner.
Survival Citizen I'd like to see all those tests repeated a few times with something stronger than that weak sheet metal in between the seals. That leakage was definitely from the test components failing, no reason any liquid will leak through that fast if there is a good seal.
I suspect a bad test with the kero
Thanks to you and Motorcycle Mags. Sticking with my WD-40 as my cleaner, wipe it off then Lube.
I use maxima for both chain cleaner and wax. And it leaves me amazed each time. Ive bought it 4x now. I highly recommend it
4:28 did you just say "pi c'est ça". That's your mind telling you to come back to Montreal...
LOL ! Did not catch that one, so funny !
Non il n' pas dit ca ^^
*puts chemical in balloon*
"balloon rubber. This mean all seal made from latex"
Fix this critical error and the rest of the video was spot on!
Spot on! Latex react to Hydrocarbons, hence the balloon popped. Good luck finding Latex in chain o-, x- or z-rings. different composition all together.
Glad I watched this. Two of what are the most commonly promoted products just got crossed off my list. They work well, but they also risk premature death of a chain. Other products will work well enough with at most a little elbow grease. Thank you.
This actually convinced me to get simple green. Average to above average performance, can be found anywhere, can be found very cheap especially if you find it on sale which it is bound to be because it’s a household product