OK, I just removed the old wrap from my 1966 Ludwig club dates and found the same thing you did with the said wrap. It was actually integrated into the layers of wood. I originally thought that the previous owner had attempted a fix of some kind, and I was kinda upset. Now I know the rest of the story. Thanks for your video! I feel a lot better about my kit. Thank you again.
That's really interesting. It seems crazy to me that this kind of construction made sense, but I guess Ludwig never intended these drums to be re-wrapped. With a little work you can still do a re-wrap, but it definitely adds more complexity to the job.
4:59 That's how I make sure the vintage drums I purchase are authentic - if the wrap goes into the shell. Otherwise, it's a re-wrap, or not original to the drum. Ludwig quit using this method of integrating the wrap into the shell in the late 60's. Great video! Pioneers are great drums and sound fantastic.
That's interesting to hear. I had not noticed this before and it seems like kind of a weird way to manufacture a shell in the first place! I guess it was faster to manufacture that way.
One could say the Neusonic are built this way now. The outer ply is the wrap, I don't believe it goes into the shell though. They save money by molding the shell this way, no need to manually wrap or apply lacquer.
your brush technique is excellent. people take it for granted but it's very important. nice work, brother. but I noticed you had a bit of sticking with at least one of the lugs... it's easy to forget the holes biild up with whatever paint/stain/poly/etc you're using. you gotta bore those back out. I just put screwdriver in the hole and give it a firm spin, clockwise like a rotary. works perfectly and doesn't crack or damage the hole or even the paint/finish. beautiful drum.
….appreciate this video….but is there necessary so much bondo that covers the grain…. Could a liquid strip be used to take off the old glue of the wrap?
The only reason I used the bondo was because there was previous damage to the outer layer of the shell and the wrap itself was integrated with the shell during manufacturing. Other brands or other models of drums probably don't have this issue. You can remove the wrap completely, do a light sanding, and be on your way.
Maybe you can't see from the video, but that wrap was deeply embedded. It appears they included the wrap with the other wood layers when they manufactured the drum. Trying to remove it was a fools errand.
Yes, this was originally sold as an entry level snare. Before you dismiss it, though, the sound quality is actually quite good for jazz and orchestra styles. The six lugs allow more resonance. I wouldn't generally use it for rock or other heavy styles, but I love it for lighter use.
I’ve have a bass drum from the early 60’s club date lug’s but the railing mount is on the side instead of the middle and the doesn’t match the down beat Tom & floor Tom lug’s it’s a black oyster finish 1967 stamped on tom and floor Tom no white paint on the bass drum had it since 1976 no information or catalog on it.
Great vid! So if you keep the snare hoops on all the time, how does the bearing edge get messed up over time? I could never quite understand this. Thanks!
Good point! I'm sure at some point in it's 60 year life previous owners had tried to work on it. And, having a tight head on there 24x7, along with the stress of playing, must compress the wood to some degree.
Kids would often remove the bottom head and use the snare as a tom / timbale, jeopardizing the edge. How do I know ? Guilty, many years ago. In fact, we stripped a gretsch wood snare and a Rogers wood shell dynasonic in middle school to make timbales. Yes, I have regrets
@@tinderboxartsmusic At this point, Ludwig was using a three ply mahogany/poplar/mahogany shell with maple reinforcement rings. They later (late 60s, I think) switched to a maple/poplar/maple shell.
Outer ply is clearly mahogany. Most Ludwigs back then were mahogany outer and inner plies, with a poplar core and maple rerings. However seeing how deep the wrap goes into the shell, this might be different
It’s All in the edges!!
OK, I just removed the old wrap from my 1966 Ludwig club dates and found the same thing you did with the said wrap. It was actually integrated into the layers of wood. I originally thought that the previous owner had attempted a fix of some kind, and I was kinda upset. Now I know the rest of the story. Thanks for your video! I feel a lot better about my kit. Thank you again.
That's really interesting. It seems crazy to me that this kind of construction made sense, but I guess Ludwig never intended these drums to be re-wrapped. With a little work you can still do a re-wrap, but it definitely adds more complexity to the job.
Very educational video. Great job John!
great video john
4:59 That's how I make sure the vintage drums I purchase are authentic - if the wrap goes into the shell. Otherwise, it's a re-wrap, or not original to the drum. Ludwig quit using this method of integrating the wrap into the shell in the late 60's. Great video! Pioneers are great drums and sound fantastic.
That's interesting to hear. I had not noticed this before and it seems like kind of a weird way to manufacture a shell in the first place! I guess it was faster to manufacture that way.
One could say the Neusonic are built this way now. The outer ply is the wrap, I don't believe it goes into the shell though. They save money by molding the shell this way, no need to manually wrap or apply lacquer.
your brush technique is excellent. people take it for granted but it's very important. nice work, brother. but I noticed you had a bit of sticking with at least one of the lugs... it's easy to forget the holes biild up with whatever paint/stain/poly/etc you're using. you gotta bore those back out. I just put screwdriver in the hole and give it a firm spin, clockwise like a rotary. works perfectly and doesn't crack or damage the hole or even the paint/finish.
beautiful drum.
….appreciate this video….but is there necessary so much bondo that covers the grain…. Could a liquid strip be used to take off the old glue of the wrap?
The only reason I used the bondo was because there was previous damage to the outer layer of the shell and the wrap itself was integrated with the shell during manufacturing. Other brands or other models of drums probably don't have this issue. You can remove the wrap completely, do a light sanding, and be on your way.
Mate you can use a heat gun where the piece of blue wrap is an riggle it and should pull out from the shell once the glus has softened
Maybe you can't see from the video, but that wrap was deeply embedded. It appears they included the wrap with the other wood layers when they manufactured the drum. Trying to remove it was a fools errand.
That's so cool!
me personally would of got a blue sparkle wrap that matched the original wrap but it ended up looking great
Uhh six lug student model! I don,t think they constructed the more pro drums like that!
Yes, this was originally sold as an entry level snare. Before you dismiss it, though, the sound quality is actually quite good for jazz and orchestra styles. The six lugs allow more resonance. I wouldn't generally use it for rock or other heavy styles, but I love it for lighter use.
After this restoration please show off your tremendous rudimental snare skills 👍👍
Great minds think alike!
I’ve have a bass drum from the early 60’s club date lug’s but the railing mount is on the side instead of the middle and the doesn’t match the down beat Tom & floor Tom lug’s it’s a black oyster finish 1967 stamped on tom and floor Tom no white paint on the bass drum had it since 1976 no information or catalog on it.
Great vid! So if you keep the snare hoops on all the time, how does the bearing edge get messed up over time? I could never quite understand this. Thanks!
Good point! I'm sure at some point in it's 60 year life previous owners had tried to work on it. And, having a tight head on there 24x7, along with the stress of playing, must compress the wood to some degree.
Kids would often remove the bottom head and use the snare as a tom / timbale, jeopardizing the edge. How do I know ? Guilty, many years ago. In fact, we stripped a gretsch wood snare and a Rogers wood shell dynasonic in middle school to make timbales. Yes, I have regrets
What type of wood was the shell?
I'm not sure, possibly some kind of mahogany.
@@tinderboxartsmusic At this point, Ludwig was using a three ply mahogany/poplar/mahogany shell with maple reinforcement rings. They later (late 60s, I think) switched to a maple/poplar/maple shell.
Outer ply is clearly mahogany. Most Ludwigs back then were mahogany outer and inner plies, with a poplar core and maple rerings. However seeing how deep the wrap goes into the shell, this might be different