Truck sags when towing
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- Truck sags when towing. We do not recommend you use the same or old U-Bolts. U-Bolts are not to be reused. This video documents the install of the sumosprings. The old U-Bolts are being used for demonstration purposes only.
In this video we will go over the one add on you will need if your truck sags when towing. The answer is SumoSprings made by supersprings. SumoSprings are easy to install and uninstall. In this video, we will quickly show you how easy it is. You can take your factory bump stops with you, and if needed, swap them out in a few minutes. Unlike air bags, SumoSprings are an airless air bag type system. I've been running these on my truck for a year and it greatly helped with sag. Off road, I have enjoyed the extra protection. If your truck sags when towing then you should take a look at this link below.
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Before and after video on the sag would have been nice.
Hey, you never checked the torque on the left rear nut, you checked the right rear nut twice! Not to mention that if a torque wrench clicks right away after using an impact gun, you have over-torqued the hardware. You should see the socket move even a little bit before it clicks otherwise your already past the required torque.
Not to mention how unnecessary and irritating he double triggers the impact everytime
He did over tight those nuts anyway, so torque wrench had nothing to adjust there anyway.
I guess real mechanics notice the important details. I'm not one but I noticed the same thing.
Just a lil tip. It looks like your torque wrench clicked at 55 ft lbs as soon as you applied pressure. This can mean you may have been at 55 ft lbs or above before you ever applied pressure. Which means you may be over torqued. Impact wrench are a really strong tool. Maybe it doesn't matter it's just what I noticed. Thanks for the video!
I was thinking the same thing plus he completely missed one of the nuts!
You were already past 55lbs before you used the torque wrench. Enjoyed the video nonetheless. Nice little shortcut to install
If your towing a camper I highly recommend the ( equalizer ) towing hitch. When used correctly this mates the tow vehicle and what ever is being towed become like one in a way. These are adjustable so that the sag is removed and the weight is distributed evenly between the tow vehicle and what's being towed. These also are an anti-sway as well.
I find using my tundra within its payload limits gives me no trouble or excessive squat. Also using a weight distributing hitch will help a lot. Makes all the difference when towing heavy loads.
Just a few comments from actual recent experience with a 2019 Crewmax Tundra. Installed these trying to improve my capability towing my 30 ft RV trailer. Yeah, it’s a marginal setup stock. But, the Tundra has plenty of power and set up with my WDH, handling is fine. I can run 70 mph all day up and down hills and it feels solid. But, it still sags in the rear even with the WDH cranked up tight. I was looking for leveling out the rear back close to stock when towing and generally make MY choice for towing a little better. (Yes, a F250 would perform better towing but I don’t want that for my 95% of the time everyday non towing driver, or the 60k plus purchase price). I tow the RV three or four times a year.
After 4 months I’m taking these off and going to look at airbags. The Sumosprings DO level out the rear with the trailer hooked up and don’t effect the stock ride height which I liked. But you have to live with the ride the rest of the time. It may be just fine for you...but I want the cushy everyday ride I bought my Tundra for. I have seen plenty of 3/4 ton trucks that sag as well...
However, these effectively eliminate almost all rear suspension travel. The shock from any small bump in the pavement or off-road washboard bumps are instantly felt in the ride, because this is really just a slightly softer jounce bumper that is instantly contacted by the frame upon compression. A hammer like ride loaded or unloaded. When loaded, big pavement dips and sudden deep off-road slow speed dips transfer a big violent pitch to the front suspension overcoming the front dampening. The rear can’t compress so you get a big rocking roller coaster ride especially when towing. Your experience and sensitivity to ride and suspension changes may be different. Just one guys experience for people looking into these kind of options.
Thanks so much for sharing!!! Your experience has been really helpful in helping me decide not to get these...
I know this is old, but hopefully you're still around... ***What color of Sumospring did you use?***
Thank you so much for the comment!!
Another helpful tool would be a clamp to clamp the new u-bolts with your new sumo springs. Sometimes the u-bolt could be a little wide for the bottom bracket for the u-bolt to go through the holes.
Why do we have to replace the new unbolts,is it necessary?
You forgot to torque front left u bolt..
Where’s the before and after pics?
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A good leveling hitch is the best way to go. I use one on my 25’ travel trailer. No sag. However, the springs are great when I pull my fully loaded cargo or small dump trailer that don’t have leveling hitches. BTW I have a Tundra.
Are you still running your Tundra with Sumosprings? If so, what color did you go with and how does it ride when you're not hitched to a load?
1000 lb blue ones. Don’t affect the every day ride
The correct way to use that torque wrench is to get the nuts finger tight, then use socket with torque wrench only to get to the desired spec. This case 55 ft/lbs. But also remember that torque specs are specific to an "unstretched" new bolt, and these specs change also when either a lubricated thread or dry thread. Your welcome
I didn't know that. Thank you!
Crazy that you would have to use new U-bolts each and every time you install and un-install.
The u bolts stretch when tightened so yeahhh its a good idea.
Thumbs up, nice video. I was hoping to see before and after pics of rear sag with your camper connected. Was there any? Also, what Sumo spring part number did you get ( they make three in this format)? Thanks
He used the black ones
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Hey bud great videos, do you have a link for the U bolt?
Some people just should not own tools unless they how to properly use them.
I thinking of getting a Tundra for towing up to 10k pounds daily. Is this a bad choice ?
You had replied to my comment on another vid of yours and recommended I watch this one. Thank you so much. This absolutely solidified me buying a new tundra because my only worry was a sag when towing our camper. I’ve owned a Tacoma for years, and still do but have always loved the Tundra. I bought a Ford F-250 and just hate the performance as far as driving and comfort. The tundra will give me the whole package. Thanks again and I subbed! In case you’re into fishing give my channel a look see🎥.✌🏼
The Tundra is about half the truck as the F250. It's basically a toy next to a real truck. A half ton truck has no business hauling anything heavy. You'll soon figure this out.
TheSoloAsylum well I’m quite aware of what an F250 is vs a half ton truck. I’ve owned both and still own a 3/4 ton. I also know what the towing capacity is of my 3/4 and what it is on the particular Tundra I was looking at. Obviously a 3/4 will/can haul more and haul it easier than a half ton but my issue is that I simply don’t like my F250. It drives and rides like garbage and it is a brand new truck. I’ve driven several other 3/4 ton Fords and without dropping $65K plus on a Lariat they all drive like garbage IMO. A tundra has always been my favorite truck and it drives spectacularly to boot. So to insinuate that I don’t know about towing or I’ll figure it out soon enough is crap. I asked the question to see if anyone else had a problem towing a camper of my size with one before I bought it. You would have validity in your statement if I would have bought it without doing my homework first. Peace out
@@TheSoloAsylum Idiotic
Are you still running your Tundra with Sumosprings?
If so, what color did you go with? Would you recommend them?
I'm also wondering how it rides when you're not hitched to a load, if you don't mind.
What’s up bro I’m in LA and just bought a food commissary trailer the weight on it is about 6,100 and I am pulling it with a 2015 Toyota Tundra but rear sag is noticeable. Do you think with this product I should be fine and or do you recommend another product ? Thank you and I will be waiting on your response
I believe they would help you out. At the very least, it would keep you from bottoming out while towing. You could do a full airbag system, but that would be much more costly.
Tundra4x4. Club cool thanks for the response 🤙🏼 I’ll look into it . Also about the cost of airbags I mean if they are much better and much more help , i don’t mind paying for safety .... I’m in Inglewood - do you know of a good shop near by ?
@@jimmy2as186 get timbren instead
@@jimmy2as186Did you go with the Sumosprings? If so, how are you liking them these days?
At the end of the video you double torque the upper left nut and forgot to torque the lower left nut.
Tundra4x4. Club I enjoy your content but I second this, also would verify that your good and properly torqued down on that nut you missed on the Ubolt Plate.
He also over torqued them with the impact gun lol. Just because a torque wrench clicks doesn’t mean you didn’t already surpass the desired torque number.
So U bolts are a one time use only? So if u loosen them once they must be replaced?
My same concern....which I why the install and re-install would not be as quick and you would have to completely take the nuts off to put new Ubolts.
I got to be honest seems like a lot of work to swap in and out every time you're going to tow... that would have to be something just leave it and forget about it or not do it and go with a different method.
Tundra 4x4 I have the deaver mini pack with 1 inch block in the back. I debated to remove the block when installing but didn’t. I also have the sumo springs. The driver side is pretty close to touching top of the frame. Would you remove the block? Would it ride any different you think? Thanks in advance
+Ben Cecil hey Ben, thanks for the comment. I would if it were me. I would look into a shackle if you like the ride night and ditch the block.
The torque wrench didn't even turn your bolts, they are far beyond 55lbs of torque.
An office boy with a half ton believes they can haul anything.
+TheSoloAsylum actually, the max I tow is a 6500 lbs travel trailer. Maybe my torque wrench is broken. Lol.
I am reading comments thinking the same thing. He might be close but still not doing anything right. Way too many lazy people using power tools to get up near the torque spec.
Why use new u bolts, your u bolts are still good.
Agreed
8:02 you forgot to torque one and torque another twice haha
Would you leave these on when not towing?
I leave them on 24/7. Keep in mind, your U-Bolts are technically a one time use.
@@Tundra4x4Club thanks for the reply. My sumos should be here today. New u bolts tomorrow.
@BADD1ONE Are you still running your Sumosprings? If so, what color did you buy and how are you liking them under a load vs unloaded?
@@RealCptHammonds I am. I have the black ones. My truck has a 4" lift. The sumo springs make it possible to even take a load.
Great video thank you! subscribed I did =)
do f150's, silverados n ram trucks sag too wen towing big n heavy loads??
Yes
Why not leave them on ?????
Have you replaced the ubolts? Have you noticed any cons not replacing?
+John Bradley yup. U-Bolts are technically a one time use. I purchased ARB U-Bolts. Installed with SumoSprings and haven’t touched them since.
Tundra4x4. Club i cant find myself to replace the ubolt on my less than 1 mo old truck lol
I called the dealership and they laughed at me when I asked are these "one time use". They said sure I would love to sell you them. ;)
@@KryonTV Bravo!!
You gave no reason for not using the original U bolts. I have a 2018 Toyota tundra, why would the original U-boats be a bad idea? If anyone could tell me that it would be appreciated.
U bolts stretchhhhh when tightened so yes its a real good idea to only use them once.
@@Mr_Clean thanks, did not know that
@Deribinkle Did you buy the Sumosprings?
If so, what color did you buy and how does it ride loaded vs loaded?
No, I never did buy them. My brother in law keeps telling me to install air bags, but I haven’t done that either. We are in cold country so anything I do will have to wait until the weather warms up @@RealCptHammonds
Will these work with a lifted truck?
+BADD1ONE yes. They would depending how high the lift is. I’m an inch lifted in the rear with the Deaver mini pack.
@@Tundra4x4Club will it work with a 4" ?
what happens to those threads when you repeatedly over torque and then drive hard and fast ?
+Ethan I actually ended up getting new U bolts by ARB, installed with Sumo Springs and left it alone. I tested the compression of the sumo spring to stock bump stop and came to the conclusion it was almost exactly the same. Because U bolts are technically a one time use, I would recommend putting the Sumo Springs on with new U bolts and leave it.
@@Tundra4x4Club so if they are compressing to the same point as the stock bump stops they are a worthless waste of money then? do they help support the trailer weight or they are just a gimmick?
The springs you added are black. When clicking the link in the description it pulls up a blue spring. Which do you use the the -40 or -47?
+Valerie Howard thanks for the comment. Yup, mine started blue as well. The coating turns black over time. Hope this helps.
@@Tundra4x4Club the color has nothing to do with the coating. There are three different densities of Sumo springs. The blue(40) are softer, the black(47) are a mid range, and the yellow are the stiffest.Niall the accurate information is on the website.
No spring or add on will increase the weight capacity of your truck, not even by one pound.
+TheSoloAsylum thanks for the comment. You are correct. But, these are not intended to increase the gross weight capacity. They are intended to reduce the Sag created by the tongue weight.
I am going with air bags no way I am doing this camping.
MARTIN WOOLDRIDGE why?
Is there reason not keeping the sumo springs full time?
+Gagnant thanks for the comment. I actually do keep them on full time as the u bolts are technically a one time use. This was more to show the ease of install and uninstall. Thanks for watching.
@@Tundra4x4ClubAre you still running the Sumosprings on your Tundra?
You're way over 55 pounds. That was a fail.
Very true not to mention he tightened one of the bolts twice with the torque wrench and missed one completely. wouldn't let this dude touch my stuff.
19mm my ass, thanks for the wrong information.
Hello!? Does nobody see he missed torquing a nut and instead retorqued the first one a second time. But I guess it doesn't matter since he overtorqued all of them to begin with. Haha. "Lemme show ya how easy it is" just kidding. Your cool man.
Obviously an amateur, talks too much and says things that are not accurate ...... with air bags you need unboard air and start the threads and pretty much replave the oem stops etc....
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Everyone try’s to make a smaller truck perform like a larger truck, just get a larger truck and don’t worry about it,,,,,you’re welcome
Ford F-250 6.7 Super Nice rig. Hard to have yours as an every day driver though.
As in buy an F450 dually? Ok, that may help, but even 3/4 and 1 ton SRW will squat 2 to 3 inches, and the back of the truck likes to rock from side to side while towing. Buying a larger truck isnt the solution in this application.
I have tried Fords and Chevys. Personally they just plain don’t hold up. Maybe if you purchase new and only keep them for two years or less. After that they are a mechanics nightmare. Transmission trouble, differential trouble, and on Ford 5.4’s, spark plug/ head work. My F150 struggled up hills with a 500lb travel trailer. I will stick with Tundras.
That coming from a Ford owner???
Why are you even commenting on a Toyota video?
It makes you look like you're trolling online because you less likely to get a beat down online the way it always happens to you off line.
Toyota’s aren’t built for towing frame to light weight be careful
I disagree.
You're obviously trolling online because you're tired of getting beat up at your favorite queer bar.
Woman up, borrow you mom's underwear, tuck your gear and go get your ass kicked somtrolling at your favorite bar instead of being a pathetic little online troll.
Maybe get a real truck.......
You're obviously trolling online because you're tired of getting beat up at your favorite queer bar.
Get used to it and quit being even more of a loser by trolling online.