The Kensington Runestone: a Minnesota Mystery
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- The Kensington Runestone has been a point of controversy, contention, pride, and interest since it was discovered in 1898. Reference Specialist Debbie Miller discusses the story behind this important piece of Minnesota history and resources the Minnesota Historical Society has relating to it. Professor Henik Williams also give a brief introduction to what runes are and what they are not.
Absolutely both mysterious and authentic
I am the granddaughter of Axel Ohman who came from Sweden with his brother Peter. They were farmers in LakePark ,MN and Detroit Lakes, MN. Where they related to Olaf Ohman it would probably a cousin. The stone has always been an interest to me since it was supposedly discovered by a Swede with the last name Ohman.
Öhman was probably the spelling in Swedish :)
Very cool! I find the story fascinating.... what an honor you have to carry that name and be a part of its history....
Native American records state that there was no trees on the farm land mentioned.
It’s proven to be a fake, it used phrases that was not in use in that time, 1200-1300’s, but was used in modern times. Also the runes itself was shaped wrong, all in all it points to the fact that a person wrote this in the 1800’s, not 1362.
This stone doesn't prove or disprove anything about vikings discovering America. We already know that the Icelander Leifur Eiríksson discovered America in the year 999 or 1000
Vikings didn't discover anything. There were already people living here
No, what the real question is how far did their influence expand? Many Turtle Island tribes have stories about meeting white strangers, and there are "highways" one could take to get to the area where the Kensington stone was found.
@@RoyalKnightVIIIyes, red haired giants with double rows of teeth and six toes and fingers- the Nephilliim
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That's a lie mansa Musa was here before him
Go watch Jackson Crawfords channel he talks about this "Runestone"
Has a thorough archaeological excavation been carried out on the site where the runestone was found? Any other Viking artifacts found there would leave little doubt of it's authenticity......
I've read over 12 books on the runestone and went to Alexandria and Kensington to see the artifact and collection site. I'm 100% sure it is authentic.
Max Planck said science advances one funeral at a time. The Kensington runestone will eventually hold its true place in history.
It's fake
@@MrRazorblade999
D'Ascoyne is a fake!
Or you was adopted.
@@catsandcarsringtailgang6188 I guess I hit a nerve...
How would there be a settlement in Minnesota and nothing in between that and the settlements of earlier norse explorers in NE Canada?
Swedish academic experts in runology have plenty of times concluded that the stone is a hoax. Even the inscription is closer to 1800th century Swedish than Old Norse.
So if this stone is dated 1362, then that would mean several things according to official Norwegian history.. Firstly, unless this stone is much older there is no Viking or 'Norsemen' connection whatsoever. The Viking kingdoms disappeared 300-400 years earlier after several wars in England, Norway and elsewhere. And the only Viking settlements in North America (Vinland) were abandoned in 1015. Secondly, after the 11th century the kings of Scandinavia converted to Christianity so they would follow the Christian calendar. So why write in runes, which are pagan in origin and sign with a Christian date (AD1386)? Also, have these American academics studied the 14th century history of Sweden, Norway? Or even local Native American history? Because surely there would be some record of visits by these people to North America. How did they cross from the Atlantic coast to the mid-West 1500 miles through hostile territory? And why?
@Smoking_Phat_Doobies So youre talking about 10 people? Travelling from the east coast over 1000 miles in the 1300s into middle America through many tribes not just one? If you go on a few centuries it took the first English settlers how long to do this and with how many people? Thats where these stones were found, not Nova Scotia. Its well documented there was a Viking settlement there.
The settlement in Greenland was abandoned around 1450 AD. So they could have easily sailed down the river from Canada around the time given. That would have put them 50 kilometers from where the stone was found. Just because they converted to Christianity doesn't mean they gave up writing in Norse.
@@asdf3568 You are exactly right. There are too many coincidences and likely proof. The surface where the inscriptions went were older than 200 years after being examined. To be a fake someone would have had to be in the wilderness where Olaf's farm was going to be and create a fake 50 years before it would even be found, clutched as it was by the roos of a tree. King Gustave's order in 1354 and the consistency of Viking travel measurements by sailing vessel and the existence of 'two skeeries' (islands) make it real. This was likely Paul Knudsen's group.
King Gustav of Norway issued a proclamation in 1354 establishing a new expedition with Paul Knudsen leading the group. This stone is proof they were there. Gustav's fear was that Christianity was not being spread enough in the new world and no word had come to them as to whether they were even alive. I've studied certain sections of the inscription. "We came home and found " ('ve kam hem fand .........you can even give a voice to it.
The Kingsinton tablet is a True tablet, if you think it's not, then check out the letters.
Yes, the letters uses words that are at least 200 years apart. Look at a genuine Scandinavian runestone - it looks nothing like this
It is HIGHLY unlikely that the stone is a fake. It contains a "Hooked X", a Templar symbol, the existence and meaning of which, was not re-discovered until the 2020's! The "Hooked X" was not even a Nordic symbol and can be found in churches in France, Scotland and Portugal! Even the "scholars" in the early 1900's, who "panned" the stone, didn't know that, let alone the Swedish farmer and his son who found the stone. There's no way that farmer could have faked that.
It's very fake. Just looking at real 14th century runestones and this. It was literally laughed out of Sweden when it went there. No true runestone looks like this. Hooked X or not, it's literally made with 19th century runes.
You forgot the Andromedans and the Illuminati
Referencing Templars is the first sign of a hoax. The Runestone is unequivocally a hoax.
The Hudson Bay does have a way into the Red River via Lake Winnipeg, which would be the most logical method of travel for seafarers.... if it is a real rune that is.
@Smoking_Phat_Blunts Evidently, Olaf used a nail to clean out the dirt in the runes. But, as you said, the sides of the carvings, according to Wolter, had to have been done BEFORE the 1600's based carvings done on grave stones left in New England grave stones. There were NO western explorers (including the French) in that area prior to the 1600's.
And its a "direct shot" from Hudson Bay into that lake network in Canada and down the Red River to that area. Remember, Norse populations had been in Iceland and Greenland for over 300 years by 1362. Hard to believe that explorers, from that very HARDY group of seafaring people, would NOT have explored Hudson Bay and continued down a main river heading west.
And remember, it was the custom at that time, to leave "land claim" markers to denote ownership of rivers, tributaries of those rivers and ALL the lands to either side of those rivers. That would answer WHY those explorers took the time to chisel out those runes, in the face of hostile tribes in the area. There is also evidence that the Medieval tower that still exists on the East Coast has a window that points directly to the location where this stone was buried.
There's just too much evidence this stone is real than to the contrary.
@Smoking_Phat_Blunts Scott Wolter is a kook and the stone is a hoax.
@Smoking_Phat_Blunts Yet the writing on the stone is in modern Norwegian and not in Old Norse. You should watch Dr. Jackson Crawford who’s in fact an expert in this sort of thing and he debunked the stone.
@@AlexKS1992 The writing is definitely not modern Norwegian. Sure there are some writings on it that appears to be off. But the physical evidence is overwhelming. The stone is clearly real. Another thing that points to it, it contains a dotted R. Something that was only found on a rune stone in the year 2005. Something a forger would not have known.
@@asdf3568 It’s a fake.
Considering there was a Native American tribe in North and South Dakota who had members with blond hair and blue eyes, I will go with the Vikings discovering America!
Claycat4 Lakota's!
The mandan tribe. According to reports from the earliest French fur trappers, some of them had blonde hair but had otherwise the brown eyes and skin of their fellows. Some of them had red hair ditto. Some of them had fair white skin and freckles but black hair and brown eyes. Some of them had skin and hair like their fellows but blue and hazel eyes. Alas, the only definitive images of them were portraits painted by George Catlin in 1837, only a year or 2 before 90%+ of the tribe was wiped out by a smallpox outbreak. The surviving tribe members scattered and were assimilated into other tribes and therefore it would be impossible to do any genetic comparisons to determine if their group had any viking Scandinavian DNA; it will have to remain a mystery
They're reached America before Columbus by over 500 years but not the first...not even close, there was another group of Europeans who'd made landfall on American soil by a few thousand years before the Vikings themselves.
The Qrott-Horggg were there 1.000.000.007 years ago and forged the stone from Glyrff and inscribed it with a death ray
It was proven to be authentic...the only hold up is the reputations of 'experts' and history books who place great emphasis on the 1492 story...
Which is a very large hold up.
How can you disregard so much hard evidence proving that this piece of stone is fake. Come to Denmark and see what genuine runestones look like
Minnesota Vikings made It in the 70's.
Its very exciting. From the left coast.
I'm sorry, but did you just say left coast?
What if it was stolen, from elsewhere? And they just buried it there. Hoping to comeback for it, but met an untimely death elsewhere. And was not able, to come back for it. Something doesnt just come from nothing. Even if we think we have an original idea.
Even if it was found in Scandinavia it would be fake. Come visit Denmark and you will experience what a genuine runestone looks like - nothing like the Kensington stone
Olaf did NOT find the stone. His SON did. The stone was entangled in the roots of the tree that they had just pulled out of the ground. HOW could that farmer embed that stone in the roots of that tree BEFORE the tree was pulled out? You would have to claim that BOTH Olaf AND his son "where in on the spoof". Neither Olaf or his son (or the rest of his family) EVER "came clean" about the stone being a fake.
@Smoking_Phat_Blunts Scott Wolter is a quack.
What I have heard is that this ohman guy had a reputation for being a wiseguy and a practical joker, but this is a characteristic trait of lots of scandinavians, so we will never know for sure if the stone is real or fake...
@@dingusdingus2152 One can ONLY "go by the evidence". And the "evidence" points toward it NOT being a fake. Carving a stone, using Runes which he had no access to, even in the book of Runes that that Minister gave him, would be almost impossible, let alone be a flippant practical joke.
@@AlexKS1992 Said by the narrow minded idoit titled Alex S. 😂 You just mad because others like myself can actually back up the sum of his research expressed over the decades, my back-yard is vast and well beyond your understanding. 🖕😁
That's a lie, the son who "discovered it" said it was a fake to his son.
Interesting stuff, but i gotta admit i'm very skeptical. A Swede finding it just seems too convenient. But hey, i do wanna believe. 😊
Timothy, rent “secrets of the Viking stone” on prime. It’s a whole docu series clearing the farmer’s name. There’s a LOT of evidence in that that even if a hoax he didn’t do it.
Lots of Swedes went to Minnesota because it's very similar to Sweden. Which is perhaps why those Vikings were there to begin with. The physical evidence proves it's not a fake.
If that's your only logic then I wouldn't waste time worrying.
I think it's probably real but would they have been Vikings? By the 1300s weren't the Vikings gone?
Nordic explorers, too many people reffer to old school Nords as Vikings
Im late i know but viking where not was it is today, back in viking age it just ment people that live in the bay. Also no vikings was not gone after 1300, not all became christians it took a long time very long time and people still used runic script after they got latin language and no one really knows for how long. Also some vikings left scandinavian countries and went to places where they where not christians
@Smoking_Phat_Doobies well it was the viking age that ended but it took a very long time before it all changed, some people still lived like vikings but it was not as major as it was in viking age. Also example swedish people still lived after the 9 virtues of asatrun and the 9 charges of asatrun insted of living after christian rules. If you want to know what that is you can Google and read about them. Oh i can ad that they build up a kingdom in africa called Vandal Kingdom after roman empire fall
@Smoking_Phat_Blunts but it do
Evidence firmly suggest. Vikings did discover America well before columbus, he actually sailed around and did not step foot on American soil.
lol
Sounds like you repeat what you've been told.
Yeah, the Vikings weren't the first to America, before Columbus, yes. But not the first, not even close. There were people from far away nations doing trade with the locals while the Vinkings were still stuck in Greenland.
Wow sailed all that way to watch one guy carve that stone. Bet there was some great fish tales around that camp fire. Whoppers !!😆😂😂😂
don't strain yourself figuring it out.
@@quester09 I won’t.
Runes just a way of communicating
I do believe that the runestone is real and how could it be fake when found in the roots of a tree that was probably older than 250 year's old
Yes. Couple hard-earned method of completing hundreds of Iron Rivets, drilling holes by hand, applying great patient skill in driving Rivets home both sides of pine and oak keel and upwards. Writing in stone follows these small or bigger boat co-operative + love of agriculture.
When you want to believe, no truth will convince you
If I went out fishing and came back to find 10 of my friends dead.. the last thing I would do is draw more attention to myself by hammering out a message in stone that could be heard from miles away.
Or wait for the killers to return..
They were nowhere close to a river. They could have been marching and being hunted. Also, I doubt you could hear that miles away.
Is that a serious comment?
@@torvilasulvstle362 As they wrote on the stone they were 75 miles south from their original encampment where the two skerries (islands) were found. They also found a broken axe blade at their camp site. There should be no doubt it is real. King Gustav's signed order in 1354 to send an expedition is the underlying proof.
Olfaf Ohman owned publications on runes ..
Uh-oh. Yeah, when I heard Olaf was a *Swedish* farmer I immediately had my doubts. Still, the longhouses in Canada and some of the earlier runes found seem to suggest the Vikings traversed here long ago.
If I found a stone on my farm that was covered in runic markings, it wouldn't take long before I'd own a collection of books on runic markings, too. Doesn't prove anything.
@Smoking_Phat_Blunts Hmm. The Polynesians would have still been cannibals at that time, though. What is the proof of this, if you don’t mind me asking?
Is there any evidence of this? He was widely ridiculed for the find. Wouldn't surprise if this is just fake news. Perhaps he was given the book after the fact. I doubt a dirt poor Swedish farmer would own such a book or even have knowledge of rune stones.
@@asdf3568 Swedish farmers in the 1800s were literate and went through the education called "folkskolan" (the people-school), where they would read many patriotic texts about Vikings, ancient Swedish kings, runic inscriptions and pagan mythology. Then it is not at all strange that a young farmer would find runes interesting.
Greeks all over the Globe.... you can't do anything to erase the ancient history of this planet!
Didnt know how to use? These experts...
And how did it end up in Minnesota?
The writing on the runestone describes a voyage of Scandinavian people into the Americas. They wrote it during their journey as a land claim.
There is also a lesser known rune stone in heavener Oklahoma, about 30 miles southwest of fort Smith Arkansas, can be viewed and open to the public
Hudson Bay in Canada, south upstream on the Nelson river to Lake Winnepeg, Red river to its source near Ortanville Minnesota, through a little marsh, Minnesota River then starts there to, it flows south. A few mile downriver there is the first river that flows into it. That is the Chippewa river. Go up there a little ways and you get to where the Town of Hoffman Minnesota is.. That gets you to within 9 miles from the site....
There is no doubt now that this stone is the real thing. It is so sad what those pompous academics put Mr. Ohman through.
It's just a coincidence he was Swedish immigrant that's what makes it a little iffy
To the narrow minded, yes perhaps. After his death in 1935, new information came to light. Information Olof couldn't have known about if he faked the find. Care to know what that is?
has anyone done excavation in the area. maybe the bodies were down another 2 feet under the stone?
Yeah they did actually do that in a documentary. The Swedish actor that plays the silent character in the movie Fargo produced a documentary about it. They found no bodies. But they did do further analysis on the stone that cemented its legitimacy even further. Like for example the carvings were done before the markings of the roots of the tree it was found in.
@@asdf3568 thank you
@@saralee9091 Looking into the issue further I came to the conclusion it's most likely a fake. But I'm still keeping an open mind.
@@asdf3568 keep me posted please
If you visit the museum in Alexandria Minnesota they also have on exhibit a number of other viking artifacts found in various places in north America and which are 100% authentic and for real.
It is a Viking prayer to the Virgin Mary.
The Indians got them
Bonjour les 1G8
It's the blood Line of Christ.
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Olaff did it. He copied the tunes, by hypnosis. He buried the stone and wrapped the roots around the stone. And made the story up, after using the stone as a step for 25 years. He did the tunes when it was a step, and did it at night. Then, he applied chemicals to make a reaction mimicing an aging process to make it look 600 years old. He did this in the barn. Then he cut the tree down. The then got his kid to help him find out why the stump would not come out. He the got the kid to lie and fake the pulling up of the 200 pound stone. He used magic for this opperation. Then he took a nail and carved the stone saying he was just getting the dirt out of it. He then fabricated the omlouts. The two doors over the letters and words. To make everything look good, he made the tunes with the stone upside down, so he could read the words from right to left. To make all of this believable, at night he went to spirit pond and made the poem and map and layed them so someone in 1973, could find them so they would have some significance. Then, when he could sneak away buried an rate ancient Norse silver coin deep in the ground at an old trading site. He got the chemicals to age the silver so it would look authentic. Then, he got hold of the sayas and made the stories up about the Norse using boats to travel. Then he went larnsa Meadows in Labrador and faked the settlement. He placed everything there just to make the story fit the scene. Then he had the sagas translated and did this using the same nail to carve the stone. Most of this was done at night, in the barn using a coal oil lamp. Then to make it seem like he was the victim, embarrassed his family. Thanks for your time.
Olaff was a fake. He never existed. He was a holigram. The story was planted by scholars to make it seem the too we're victims of a lie. Believe me, there were never any Norse, just Vikings who stole and did not become Christian's. They were satanic. The scholars figured this out and called him and his family crazies to get them deported.
Ok? Got it, mate??
weird flex, but ok
Oh, a wiseguy...
LOL!!! WHAT AN IDIOTIC POST. LOL!!!
Well we all know that Columbus discovered America! I mean he was the first one here! HAHAHAH!
Well, the natives American don't agree, I think they beat him...
@@torvilasulvstle362 that was my point!
I am Shawnee
@@dodgeramsport01 OK! Agreed!
Strange. Colombus discovered a place where people already lived. 😅
Funny how people seem to think it was hard to cross the Atlantic to get to America. If you look at the globe it's round, and they could just take a small boat-trip from Russia to Alaska...
Look at those rune characters and then look at paleo hebrew then tell me if you get goosebumps. Ten tribes have not been accounted for.
meg nemo please read The Book Of Mormon then your mind will be enlighted. You’re in the right path.
@@aztecahernandez6539 the book of mormon is a red herring written by a masogonistic drunk who hallucinated about some golden plates and then made out like Male humans could make themselves into Gods and own their wives and children. I was married to a morman once and I had our baby and he threw me into a wall when she was three weeks old and threatened to break our babys spine. I'll grant you most mormans have better family values then my ex, however half truths are still whole lies and I am not 19 anymore and I know the handiwork of the lord of lies when I see it. And both the lds belief system as well as the many flds sects have it all wrong on many levels. You cannot marry sisters or mother and daughter, or aunt and daughter like in the flds, a wife's body is her husbands but a husbands body also belongs to his wife. Poligyny is permissible in the bible but it is for the most part inadvisable because of its complications and the new testament clearly states that church leaders have to be a one woman man define that one after much prayer because that could be translated a few different ways. I however know for sure one thing man and the devil are changeable and will say things that contradict themselves. The one who reveals all things never changes his word and if we think otherwise it is a failing in context or translation whereas the book of morman is considered a "new" revelation that is supposed to take president over the new and old testament. The new and old testaments whether people realize it or not corroborate and back each other up. The book of morman does not do this so it is false prophesy and must be turned away from.
Thumbs up.
Who you kidding this is clearly Greek.
I see you don't know the Greek alphabet.
nope