SDP Talk with Professor Kathleen Stock, Why Reality Matters
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Why Reality Matters
In this episode of SDPtalk, William Clouston is joined by philosopher Kathleen Stock, the prominent gender critical feminist and author of ‘Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism’.
The view that gender identity is distinct from biological sex, and that it should have greater recognition and legal protection than biological sex, is increasingly accepted in our institutions. Our language and laws are being altered to fit this new ideology.
Challenging these assertions tends to provoke a serious backlash, yet most people instinctively know that biological sex is real and crucially important in contexts such as healthcare, sports and women-only spaces.
Kathleen and William explore the philosophical ideas behind gender identity theory and discuss the social, political and legal impacts of denying biological reality.
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I love that more and more people are finally asking the right questions. Kathleen Stock is a hero
I don't disagree with you, but alot of us have been caught-cold, given that it was implicit that we all knew this stuff a short time ago!
If by hero you mean bigot who deleted her inciteful and abusive tweets (all saved on github), sure.
She’s fabulous and so calm and sensible ❤
@@lisaboyd677 is it calm to attack a marginalised class seeking civil rights - a class that statistically, proportionally, and absolutely has more to fear from cis woman who are more violent than all trans people or trans women alone.
So is Helen Joyce et al.😊
As a lesbian I am so proud of and inspired by Prof Stock. I reached out to her after her Medium article years ago and emailed her about my experiences on campus. I have read Material Girls twice! It’s wonderful that Kathleen and Julie have founded The Lesbian Project.
As a lesbian - if you met - fell in love - and had an intimate relationship with someone who presented in all ways as female - then found they were born male - would that make you straight?
That is such a good question
When you get down to the actual intimate level, you know well whether that person is a man or a woman!
No, I would regard that as non consensual and sexual assault. Any man who pretends he is a lesbian and does this should be charged with rape.
@@Jenny-nz8fb that is the most absurd answer... it was your choice
I don’t believe in ‘trans’ or ‘gender identity’. There is sex and there are some ridiculous parts of sex stereotypes that should never have been there, eg pink or dresses for girls - why?! The view that if you/your child show interest in some regressive sexist stereotypical things then they’re in the wrong body and need medical/surgical alteration is lunacy!
Maybe because babies looks pretty much the same much of the time and to tell the sex so that one doesn’t risk causing offence we have ‘baby blue’ and ‘baby pink’ clothing to demonstrate the baby or young child’s sex.
@@rensha8635that makes sense, a shortcut always to having to answer the question " boy or girl " ...but it's descriptive. The trans insanity is making it prescriptive.
Read your TERF propaganda right here folks. This is what true hysteria looks like, a person claiming to fight sex-stereotypes using trans-stereotypes.
Good luck with that. Tell me how the abortion rights go...choosing to ideologically partner with conservatives to restrict people's access to their own body has consequences. There's a long history of documentation of the connectedness of these two areas of civil rights regarding rights to our own bodies.
@@rensha8635 which are arbitrary culturally assigned colors and changeable as at an earlier time, blue represented female (virgin Mary, water etc) and red or pink represented boys (fire, authority etc). These outside representations in clothing are fashion and subject to change as fashion changes, while the material differences between males and females are immutable and do not change.
Agreed -- we've gone backwards. We pretend that this is a progressive thing, but cutting up people's bodies so they line up better with medieval stereotypes is as regressive as it gets.
Love❤love❤love❤ Professor Stock- but it doesn’t take a philosopher to argue that a man cannot transform into a woman, either physically or socially.
I'm glad we can agree she's not a proper philosopher, just a quitter.
@@jesipohl6717 what did she quit?
@@jesipohl6717 She was harassed, threatened, and psychologically tortured daily until her work was impossible to perform. If she hadn't stepped down from her class, I'm sure you would be one of the people still torturing her now.
Well done the SDP - a party engaged with the arguments - something that Labour and the Conservatives have simply forgotten.
The big thing the nazis did was to get socialists and communists to ask "the Jewish question" too. Before that the nazis campaigned on repealing disabilities rights and cementing pathological and criminal classifications of all sorts of queer people, including people who fit today's definition of trans. So the nazis also asked "the queer question" first, usually focusing around sex as determining role, just like Stock.
Denial of this is considered NS-Denialism in Germany and viewed as a potential "incitement to group hatred and violence".
@@jesipohl6717your idiocy is overwhelming. Please keep some for Christmas.
@@jesipohl6717 Taking a big risk there, calling up specific details about Nazis-- the same people who know what you're talking about will also be reminded of how similar the Trans Doctrines are to Nazi objectives.
@@jesipohl6717the Nazis used the Big Lie and infiltrated the Lie in every institution in the country. The Nazis arrested those who spoke out against them accusing them of “hate crime”. The Nazis did medical experiments on the vulnerable including mutilation. The Nazis used cancel culture, burning books instead of reading them. Sound familiar?
@@jesipohl6717Yes, it's the people OPPOSING the chemical sterilzation of healthy people, SOLELY to conform to traditional gender stereotypes, who are totally the "Nazis"...
It's the people who AREN'T censoring and silencing dissent, and who AREN'T refusing open, respectful, public debate, who are totally the "Nazis"...
It's the people who AREN'T demanding that lesbians MUST be open to sex with males, and that gay men MUST be open to sex with biological females, who are totally the "Nazis"...
It's the people who AREN'T plastering their flag all over every classroom, every street, every doctors office, every public building, with the support of the biggest corporations on earth, the police, and the corporate media, who are totally the "Nazis"....
It's the people who AREN'T mobbing and physically attacking women, and OPENLY embracing slogans that demand violence against women, if they defend the rights of women and girls ("Punch TERFS!!", "Stab a TERF in the face!!!", "I punch TERFs!!!"), in a blatant attempt to silence females, who are totally the "Nazis"...
It's the people who AREN'T demanding control of other people's speech, trying to compel the use of "approved" political terminology, in a shameless attempt to silence dissent (and violate the right to free speech, and the right to freedom FROM religion), who are totally the "Nazis"...
Do you think that, in 1938, the average nazi REALIZED they were "in the wrong side of history"?
...OR, do you think that MAYBE, being surrounded by all those flags, and constant, 24/7 propaganda, and every media outlet and celebrity in Germany ALL swearing that NASDAP were the brave, valiant crusaders for unquestionable moral virtue, had the supporters of the Nazis SINCERELY, UTTERLY CONVINCED that they were "doing the right thing", and "on the right side of history"?
Well done Kathleen Stock ! Her book 'Material Girls' is excellent !
Kathleen Stock is a clever woman who doesn't deserve what she gets. I admire her .
Absolutely fantastic discussion. A pleasure to listen to, and utterly reasonable!
Kathleen Stock , is such a wonderful woman , could listen to her all day , thank you for this 💜🤍💚
How do you know she's a real woman?
@@jesipohl6717 because we have eyes and ears, and she gave birth to 2 children
Dr. Stock is an incredibly important voice for sanity in our ever more mad world.
Thankyou for your wisdom and courage. I am so tired of trans activists and how “wokism” now eclipses science, reality and common sense.
Perfect example of a man "mansplaining" rather than listening to the woman he is interviewing. Could hardly listen to this. I'm sure he thinks he's a supportive man. He needs to tally the time he talked vs the time he allowed Kathleen Stock before he jumped in to comment before she ever finished, made himself known with his approvals (like who cares), interrupted her with his opinions (like who cares). Sheesh. It's virtually hopeless if an SDP guy does not get it and is oblivious to his intrusive male behavior that loves to hear the sound of his voice and just can't stop himself from talking over his female guest.
It's called a conversation.
Great discussion - spot on as usual Kathleen, more power to you!
It's sad to see a lesbian woman beg at straight men's tables like Stock does.
@@jesipohl6717 It's sad that in place of mature counterarguments to her points all you have to offer is an insult.
Always good to listen to Doc Stock.
Great stuff William + Kathleen!
A model of calm and intelligent interview and discussion. Bravo, Mr Clouston.
It's bizarre hearing about York University. When I was there only 15 years ago there was one trans woman. The name was A. Gamble, about 6 ft tall, dressed in pink and did that thing of purposefully drawing attention and then looking annoyed. No one cared. We just found the name hilarious.
The name's perfect!
Excellent interview, excellent interviewer. Stock's book is excellent, and I recommend it highly. Very informative, very thoughtful, and not polemical at all.
Not polemical at all... you mustn't read much if you think it was in any way balanced. Stuck herself admits it's a polemic. Thanks Stan.
Also the people spreading the suicide movements need to be called out. Teaching kids to threaten suicide when people ask important questions is blackmail. Much of the trans urgency depended on the suicidal threat, which was actually just a social contagion the teen girls learned from each other. The anorexic girls do it too. Had a girl in the classroom just the other day dramatically threatening it so she didn't have to do the math activity.
GREAT GREAT honest truthful conversation 👌 REALLY ENJOYED both your perspectives.
Brilliant. Kathleen Stock might be my favourite speaker on this issue. Thanks!
"Some" also demand that fathers can be called "Mum." Some mothers experienced this mother erasure, like me and 46 others. Profiled on YT chan: Trans Widow Ute Heggen (coerced, abused)
LOVE Kathleen Stock. Champion for women 💪 🏆
That was terrific, thank you both!
Jolly good, thanks both
Fascinating interview. Thank you for this most refreshing and considered discussion.
Always a pleasure to listen to Stock's calm articulation and reasonable ideas.
Good to hear two philosophers discussing the questions around this topic
19:10 Dear Kathleen, you don't have to remind us how hot you are (just kidding, but yeah, she's gorgeous)
As a lesbian I second this 😘😘
As a straight man, I can only agree with you both. She's so engaging on every level.
Arguably, Kathleen wants straight men's approval more than anything else. You've made her dreams come true!
@@jesipohl6717 I'm a lesbian, so your claim sounds ridiculous x)
@@jesipohl6717 argue it then. How could you possibly know such a thing?
I'd love to vote for the SDP, but unfortunately don't have that option in Nottingham East. It would be great to relieve Nadia Whitome of her responsibilities. She's an absolute 'mare when it comes to gender identity ideology.
But they certainly should have supported you at Sussex.
Really enjoyed this interview!
Excellent discussion, except William Clouston had far too much to say and interrupted far too often.
I have known many politicians and as a result have a very low opinion of them. I didn’t know that the SDP were still a thing. This guy however has made me change my mind. We need in a democracy to trust our politicians.
Unlike Conservatives, Labour, Libdems, this representative of SDP sounds intelligent...sadly a rarity this day. If they were on my ballot box as an option wouldn't hesitate.
36:25
37:45 shaping definitions
38:32 Kathleen: "Feminism made a BiG mistake"
39:00 "Philosophers should have been more careful"
Good thing we focused on people's right to their own body, I hope that hasn't influenced abortion law in any way.
Oh wait what's this, conservatives worldwide have been using transphobia as a gateway drug to reach much younger women and delirious boomers, wag the dog, and pass judicial reform about bodies and abortion. Gee that wasn't predictable (2nd time in history it's happened now).
A truly refreshing, intelligent discussion. At around 50 minutes there is a section about parenting, and I think this is one of the critical factors. It seems that the modern parent is keen to be the friend of their child, rather than fulfilling the traditional role of the parent. This creates a very different relationship between parent and child. It removes the ability to discipline, support and guide, and replaces them with accept whatever they say or want. Even good friendships shouldn't be founded on this principle. this added to the narcissistic tendencies encouraged by social media, makes for a toxic environment. Kathleen Stock is great, and the SDP need a refresh to their PR to make them better understood, because they are sensible and pragmatic rather than traditional. Traditional is not a term that cuts trough these days (even if it should). Also the term "Left-leaning" does them no good. Broad appeal, gently capitalist with a social conscience.
As a man who identifies as a lesbian astronaut from Tau Ceti I really did enjoy this discussion. The gentle tone I found relaxing.
Brilliant, thanks.
Great.
Good intro.
Great interview.
I think a biologist would also be useful!
Frans de waal and princella the queen maker
That a biologist us not making these arguments, pretty much anywhere should probably reveal something about Stock's expertise and the status of her claims.
@@jesipohl6717the biologists are laughing and don't concern themselves with the insanity of trans. John Money was a charlatan and he was the one who made the argument for trans...please get your head out of your a$$.
@@jesipohl6717 many evoloutionary and research biologists back Kathleen Stocks position. See Colin Wright, Brett Weinstein, Heather Heying, Luana Maroj, etc
She herself has said she has not been canceled. She is bigger than the headline.
an excellent video, thanks for sharing it.
Hi! Sorry for the somewhat unrelated comment, but I wasn’t sure how else to contact you.
On Nov 19, 2023, Portland Oregon Antifa/gender protestors pepper sprayed and violently attacked me and a group of women who were trying to peacefully read speeches, most unrelated to the gender issue. Four of us ended up in the hospital. Prior to the event, the group stalked us at our rental, slashing our tires and infiltrating a private phone conversation.
I would love it if you could have me on to talk more about this.
Thanks
Social Democracy desperately need to shed these insane American middle class ideas. And be sure it *IS* a (North) American thing.
If this fella had spent less time trying and failing to demonstrate his cleverness, it would have been a better interview. Kathleen Stock handled it very gracefully.
I agree. I found the interviewer’s far too frequent interjections somewhat tiresome.
2023 - Hottest Debate Topic: Reality is uh... like... Important and Stuff
To everyone who's surprised to be here - I salute you!
What do philosophers do? They discover wisdom (Truth) and then use that to uplift society.
Philosophers do,...
..., In an ideal world p'haps.
Philosophers are the most forward attack vehicle, they open and guide thought, ideas, currently are hand in hand with quantum physicists, evolutionary biologists,..
If they're given unrestrained access to politics, social policy,...
..., Disaster, the killers, Mao, Stalin, ..Pol Pot (check order of killed most)
Currently the ESG~The Great Reset, is th entire world's number one enemy.
Philosophers are free to think, the Reset, not stopped, MEANS the end of philosophy.
While shitting on trans people on the way.
The argue unprovable things and at worst attempt to assert their morality on the rest of us.
@@jesipohl6717 That's religi---s preachers actually. I think the commentee has confused the two, or hasn't any idea of what they're talking about.
@@John-uh8kl The separation of philosophy and religion is primarily a Western phenomenon. In Advaita Vedanta everything depends on evidence.
These discussions make me crazy! As a Sociologist I'm comfortable that sex is binary and gender and gender expression is a vast array of feelings and behaviors. I think this entire discussion on trans people is a linguistic one. You can not change your biological sex, but you can surely can change your gender expression. Are male to female trans people really claiming to be female? It seems to me a trans woman is a much closer definition of what these male sexuality/female gender people should be called.
The controversy is more like what “rights” transgender people have to spaces of their identified gender. Should male trans women be allowed in women’s prisons and rape shelters and sports teams?
Transwoman is one word. They are not a category of Woman. I use Trans Identified Male (TIM ) as it places them back into the correct category.
The thing that drives me crazy about these discussions is that the pseudoscience that gets mislabeled as "biology" rarely gets called out.
When you say "sex is binary" you are using the word "sex" to refer to gender assigned according to subjectively chosen physical criteria, not to the technical biological concepts of "male" (an organism that produces just small gametes) and "female" (an organism that produces just large gametes). "Socially assigned gender" would be a more accurate term.
Sociologist, you're not really up to speed, unless yours is a calculated manouvre.
No one minds, so, LGBT, transvestites, transexuals.
No one, including these, wants, Q+, X, Y, Z, rammed down their throats ( unfortunate expression, however given the 'tr---s' movement and the ESG-Reset, intend to control every word that comes out of us, perhaps the correct expression).
@@beverly9 The thing that makes this a dispute based on linguistics is that your statement "Men are claiming they are women" could be expressed by others as "women who @beverly9 considers to be 'men' are claiming they are women". Once you take into account the different ways people use the words "men" and "women" those two claims turn out to be identical.
This was good
Fascinating conversation, thank you!
Is he being interviewed or is Dr Stock being interviewed?
The audio kept cutting out after the end of every sentence which made this unlistenable
That wallpaper is killing me !
A mean, she is not on the level who is coming against her anyway. So well thought out arguments covered in common sense.
I think Stock is unique in philosophy in that she finally just put her foot down and reminded everyone that, in the end, you've got to be grounded in reality. You can't just sit there in your office and spin cotton-candy in your mind disconnected from the real world and then LEGISLATE based on it for pete's sake. Eventually, you have to ask what happens when you stub your toe on this stuff, and if you do, then it's just plain WRONG. Eventually, even if you aren't in the physical sciences, you must let the real world judge your ideas and be prepared to be proven wrong.
I also think that she's still being too generous toward her enemies. They don't think that EVERYTHING is defined by human musings ... just women and children. I once heard one of those idiots talking about how babies result when a man and a "birthing parent" have sex. "Man" was a fine word to use, but "woman" wasn't? Please. This is about rank misogyny and homophobia and nothing else. It's about the age-old game of religion throughout history, where men sit around and define "woman" and "child" in whatever way better serves their boners.
You should have millions more views. 😢
What is the difference between a man who is known as man one day then is known as a woman the next?
As far as I can see it's just the clothing and appearance. Oh, and a pronoun. It all seems so magical.
@@MichelleLouiseDavis I know!
It's wrong to demand everyone sees a man in a dress as a woman when it's not remotely true.
Great discussion!
Brilliant!
Wonder why both these people are so mealy mouthed about describing genital mutilation of children as abuse.Interesting conversation though.
0:15 Widely asserted, and widely *enforced*. Not accepted!
One can see a chair with four legs, another sees the same chair with three legs, and another only sees two. Is the chair a reflection of another chair from a different reality in which now that chair doesn’t even exist?
100% Do NOT agree with COMPELLED SPEECH. GASLIGHTING, which is a total TACTIC of ABUSERS.
Postmodern bs is what it is. Just want to deny science, modernism, and make your own reality. For me, rationality is good, so I just don't get the other opinion.
LGBT is together not because they are so much the same, but that they are a minority sexuality/gender to the "standard", Normative Heterosexuality. 5% or so to 95% or so!
Forced teaming. Some trans women are what I would call heterosexual i.e. biological men who are attracted to biological women. LGB have nothing in common with them.
@@pablodelnorte9746 the last 5 studies I’ve read will show around 6 out of 24 ‘trans women’ participating are gay men & 18 straight. That’s why the T is so problematic: their identifying as women doesn’t override the historical pattern of male violence & they will not gain acceptance by colonizing our demographic. In crime, the sex patternation to offending is so obvious that it’s the only fact we have to go by until bigger studies on it are done, but the trans lobby would try to conceal the outcomes of those studies.
Did Feminism "make womanhood an identity", or did Feminism respond to the womanhood identity that was being forced into us by society?
The Feminist response fell into the field of debating identity and off we went.
Great insight. Womanhood was already made an identity by patriarchy. But it was necessary to discuss it in order to understand how it is related to women. It was only phase 1, but it was distorted from there...
You are not forced to live in the society. You can go to a forest and live there on your own.
You will understand what you are objecting to when you loose a comfy living and face true survival problem. And then we will back to the talk about "a womanhood identity forced on you by patriarchal society". Wait for it.
Orwellian Julia
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'We're still around!'
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38:35. What does she mean that feminism made a mistake. Is she saying that heterosexual women should not have become feminists at all?
Are you will shatners lil bro 😂
If you call people clearly what they are it wouldn't be a female rapist, it would be a trans female or trans woman rapist
If you call people clearly what they are it would be a man . No such thing as " trans" .LGB DROP THE T
That rapist is a man! And LGB is a sexuality concerning who you are attracted to. Trans isn’t even definable and is a delusion. They are very different and when you argue that lesbians can have a peen I would say that is lesbophobia.
By way of UK law, and stock knows this, cis women can only be charged as accessories to rape, these are the women to which the sex offenders statistic most refers. There is a seperate statistic about trans women and other trans people, who are less likely to be offenders of any sort than cis women.
Stocks reports of this have been garbled if not dishonest.
@@jesipohl6717 yeah thats false. Stats for the types of crimes committed by males compared to females are strikingly different, with the majority of sex crimes being committed by males and amongst those a higher percentage of those are committed by trans identifying males.
@@jesipohl6717 Transwomen are far more likely to be violent offenders than women (ie their behaviour follows male pattern of violent crime) and prison stats show that transwomen prisoners are more likely to be sex offenders than females! This is according to MOJ statistics.
I don't know what the strategy is, your entire party's focus has been on woke stuff, including your london mayoral candidate, instead of focusing on actual issues you just perpetuate divisive topics, i don't care if your completely correct about this, you need your priorities straight like getting the big money out of politics, like from the think tanks that have their hands everywhere like in the big oil and gas industry and have paid tons and tons to the conservative party, and are clearly able to shape and influence their policy.
But no, of course we need to do more fighting with ourselves i guess, and that's why i wouldn't ever vote for the SDP, it's not for the people, just for riling up drama
Philosophy is the SDP of politics. A rarified world with little impact in the real world.
Y x Y can have baby but x still need Y
The reality that i am biological fact does not change the fact that i have biological secondary sexual characteristics , am seen by society as a woman including biological female lesbians . What does that tell you about your reality Kathleen and how much it matters ?
Dunno why British political parties are on my feed, but "patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional" is a complete mess
Why?
Philosophers are wasting their time and worse yet they are wasting other people's time. Meanwhile, there are real problems in.the world to solve, rather than manufactured ones.
28:52 what did I just hear? Women can't rape men?? She needs to clarify this ASAP cos the implication is that arousal ≠ rape and is a horrible notion to perpetuate.... shameful
What did I just read? Spell it out please. No symbols.
She was clearly describing the legal definition of rape, not her own opinion on what rape is. According to Stock, the legal definition of rape requires that one have a penis (you may or may not agree with this, but this is, apparently, the law). Women, therefore, cannot be rapists, though they can be accessories to rape. However, since male rapists can now self-identify as women, their rapes are being classified as having been committed by a woman, not a man. This contradicts the law, which says that only men can rape because only men have penises. Since transmen are classified in statistics as women, this has led to an increase in the number of rapes perpetrated by women. This is misleading, according to Stock, because these are actually male rapists, not women. Again, she was describing the law, not her own opinion on whether women can be rapists, and she was doing so to illustrate what she takes to be a highly damaging and misleading consequence of classifying male rapists as women.
@@johnsmith5139great and accurrate summation of her statements. Just wanted to ask for clarity as you used both "transwomen" and "transmen" to refer to males who identify as women.
Perhaps referring to them as "trans identifying males" would make your statement more clear?
biology is over as a practice, should be absorbed into particle physics or some such, gender has outlived it's usefulness, no one is obligated to behave, dress or think a certain way based upon gender(as currently defined). genitals are just a thing, i see where birthing person or womb haver comes from, it's not reductive it's descriptive of a pertinent observation/guess/perception. This is distinct to north america. Though I would warn that there is a vulnerable part of the population when precautions aren't taken to protect them. People will think I'm referring to uterus owners. No, they're adults with agency and will let you know. It is the young. Look out
Find me a human biologist who agrees with you.
I've commented too much on Kathleen, to the point of being obsessed...lol.
What is wrong, with educational organisations behaving in the spirit of doing the right thing?
Education is being inclusive of a incredible small minority, transpeople, respecting their identity.
I think Kathleen, is being rediculous, why is she so against transpeople? Education is not doing this as some trendy movement...it about making education a safe space...where Students learn about the world they are in and respect each other.
Kathleen's old enough, such that she should be behaving better than this...and she has children...does she look at her sons as potential rapist waiting to emerge of cause she doesn't, and what happens if one of her kids becomes trans? Is she going to be rude everytime they meet? Well I hope not...Kathleens actions just seem to alienate her from the good work others are doing to integrate a diverse spectrum of people, that includes gay people like Kathleen, that had similar criticisms made against them such as mental instability and people learned from their mistakes...in a free society all the hidden isms of society come to the fore, and that is all this is...Kathleen should be ashamed of her behaviour...
What is occurring in schools and the cuture due to this activisim, is making schools and society LESS safe for everyone.
@@Gingerblaze schools
are not being made unsafe by university activitists that never visited the site, children are not threatening their teachers about transviews - because teachers have had the good sense to draw a line between professionalism and private views...
Cancel culture, is a label used to demonise legal non violent protesting...and it is right a university is free to cancel events seeing how distressed students became or the damage to their reputations an event causes.
I just think Kathleen Stock is an aweful person. I've seen her delete offensive tweets and play the victim many times after garnering a response.
She's the worst thing an academic could possibly be, she's insincere and so nothing she says is trustworthy. Not to mention she hasn't enjoyed a peer-reviewed publication in years....
This channel popped up out of nowhere. Why does the SDP choose this particular philosopher?
Quoted on her Wikipedia: "600 academic philosophers who argued that Stock's "harmful rhetoric"contributed to the marginalisation of transgender people."
The SDP stands for intellectual transphobia..
For the hate-watching
Nonsense.
😂Wikipedia, good choice!
Boring same old fake accusations.
What is transphobia? How is "intellectual transphobia" different from the generic sort?
@Kathleen stock,Funy why your ignoring that being transsexual (transgender) is a biological (neurochemical) reality much the same as homosexuality you are homosexual & you should know that there's an evolutionary biological reason for homosexuality yet you seem to want to deny that transsexualism is also a neurological condition (gender isn't just a social construct but is influenced through biological (neurological) conditions caused by exposure to the mothers immunological/hormonal responces/levels during pregnancy.. so please stop trying to seperate transgenderism from the biological factors ...
Funny how you don’t have any good studies that support the claims of fact from the transgender lobby, which fund them. Studies are sparse, our scientific understanding limited, & results are sometimes inconsistent. Some studies have reported no obvious biological incongruities, such as sexual chromosome aberrations, in transgender individuals.
Any reasonable expert will say more studies on sexual hormone related genes need to be replicated with a larger population of transgender people & multiple testing corrections should be implemented to obtain solid results. More accurate study designs.
In relation to the etiology of gender dysphoria, which is not known, other potential mental problems & environmental factors need to be considered. The rightful place of “Trans-sexual” is as a diagnosis of exclusion. Only after you’ve been treated/tested for all other possibilities, then can you be given a diagnosis of exclusion. Given; not self diagnosed.
Trans activists propose if gender is on a spectrum, then homosexuality doesn't really exist, b/c it can only exist in a binary - so, sexuality is redundant. Of course rational lesbians believe trans identity is homophobic nonsense when they’re told having a gender preference is transphobic & they should comply to intact men or men with dissected penises who claim to be women b/c of a subjective feeling in their head that can change.
Trans activists who have 'educated' society that gender roles & stereotypes are what really define man & woman, are now shaming feminists who assert that “Trans lesbians” aren't lesbians; they're opposite-sex-attracted males.
Evidence please, and clarify what transgender and transsexualism mean.
Look, no one cares how you want to behave or dress. But you can't change sex.
And if you think your genitals and the rest of your body is a worthless irrelevance, that's up to you as well.
Presumably, you won't be surprised when others treat you accordingly?
I can assure you that the majority of other people regard such views as deranged.
This is flirting with the idea that there are male and female brains, an idea that feminists have historically found offensive, but you’ll generally find you have to stretch the evidence quite far to draw the conclusion that trans women are female brains in male bodies whatever a gendered brain even means, the most you’ll be able to do is say trans people exhibit neurological characteristics that are similar to those of the other sex. Under the assumption that trans women are women we shouldn’t even care if their brains match those of the opposite sex, since in the world of gender theory sex and gender are all but independent. But even if we say that they do, why do we have to draw a conclusion that they are in fact members of the opposite sex. If you’re going with a biological argument now and getting out of the social constructionist argument, then biologically they’re still members of their own sex that happen to share more characteristics with those of the opposite sex than their peers. That’s a long shot away from getting them into the changing rooms of the opposite sex since those female spaces weren’t meant to protect against male brains and male thinking, it was mostly their penises and superior physical strength, which they still have.
Current research indicates that psychological preferences, thinking and behaviour can result in detectable effects in the brain due to neuroplasticity. It's quite possible you have cause and effect the wrong way round.
But there is no way that a disembodied brain can be examined to determine whether it was from a male or female except for chromosomes. As for any other features of the former individual, forget it!
The practical result of this is that your propositions are unsupportable.
Her argument is basically that she's a crossdresser, and not transsexual. And because she's not transsexual, nobody else is. .
She's a bit a laughing stock really - just a crossdresser.
Not really. The fact of the impossibility of human beings changing sex exists permanently irrespective of anything she says. That's why no one is 'trans'. It's not because she isn't.
How is she a cross dresser? She is dressed in the same manner many women dress.
@@Gingerblaze on channel 4 she admitted herself that she dresses as a man and sometimes it's even mistaken for a man. Hence, just another crossdresser.
Professor Stock. You should switch your idea from ontology to communication. It is about the unity of the difference between system and environment. We are all selfreflexive systems. If you read Luhmann you'll find out, that there is no institution left or human beeing left who has the power to convince all of us that this truth or that truth is the real one. Except with communication. That is far away from deconstructivism or social relativism. This is all about communication because ontology depends on somebody who owns τὸ ὄν. And this is, with all respect, not even you, Frau Professor.