Kathleen Stock OBE: Trans Women Aren't Women
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- It's a view held by most people, so why has it become so controversial to state that trans women aren't women? On this episode of "So What You're Saying Is..." (#SWYSI) we are joined by Prof. Kathleen Stock OBE, professor of philosophy at the University of Sussex and author of the best-selling book: "Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism".
Prof. Stock discusses the issues of sex vs. gender and gender identity, and explains how trans activists, arguing that gender is psychological not physical, now claim that womanhood & manhood are genders in a social, rather than biological, sense.
She discusses the possible motives for Stonewall's decision to become so actively involved in trans rights, as well as the vilification of its outspoken critics such as Germaine Greer and Julie Bindell. Prof. Stock has herself been the target of campaigns to silence, cancel and no platform.
Prof. Stock also discusses the negative impact the more extreme trans rights positions are having on women (changing rooms, public toilets, prisons etc.) as well as the young, and gays & lesbians.
Her book may be purchased here: www.amazon.co.uk/Material-Gir...
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When breastfeeding is referred to as chest feeding you know it's gone too far.
How have people got to be so stupid they accept this?
MOTHER = Birthing person 🤨
WTF
What's next for father's day: Happy Sperm Donor Day? 🙄
@@fannycraddick8984 Birthing person is such a stupid term. “Birthing people,” whether they choose to give birth or not, by their ability to give birth are female. Female humans are called women. It’s another way of saying woman. It’s stupid, pointless, and will be considered another term bigots use when it’s replaced by another idiotic term by the end of the year.
Oh yes indeed. And 'pregnant people', 'menstruators'. It's utterly ridiculous.
It's a sad state of affairs that a woman has to write a book pointing out the obvious!
Agree. It absolutely crazy
Is it a sad state of affairs though? Just media sensation
@@matthewsmith2787 is it just 'media sensation' when male sex offenders are being placed in women's prisons?
We are just creating problems for are selves just have a good happy life
@@matthewsmith2787 as a mother of 4 daughters and grandmother of 6 granddaughters its a very worrying state of affairs!
"I' m a lesbian trapped in a man's body" used to be a silly joke, but now we're supposed to take such a statement literally!
It's sad, scary and infuriating that stating the obvious is being called a 'hate crime'
More scary is who exactly gets to define hate.
What's scary?
@@alphabetpeople2902 I’m not a right winger. You need to grow TF up.
@@JustinSmith-kn9ef That autogynephiles and grown men with other dangerous paraphilias are clawing their way into womens and most importantly CHILDRENS spaces. Legally. That’s scary.
@@nothanks1945 your reply is factually Incorrect following hokum ideas of Blanchard and criminalising fetishist behaviour all have absolutely nothing to do paedophilia if that's what you mean an insult toward many trans people and what the hell are 'women's spaces?' you seem to have issues with men per se
As an 84-year-old male (I take it that it is still alright to use the term male) I feel like I am living on an alien planet. The world has gone mad 😜
I love the silent generation, they stand for common sense and decency
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍
Barrie, I'm only 34 but I have the same impression.
I'm 20 and I feel the same
I’m with you Baz. The planets fucked!
Of course they're not. There is no hatred here just simple facts. They have a right to believe what they want to believe but do not expect me to be bullied in to believing the lies.
Everything after your first sentence should not be required.
Much respect to this lady 👏
@@MrB1923 So true, I read your correct comment after leaving a rather long one of my own, actually toyed with deleting everything after the first sentence. 😂
@@domingodesantaclara1130 Makes you really think about who is oppressing who these days.
Often the argument you get back is who are you to dictate who they perceive themselves as. My argument back is who are you to dictate how I should perceive them!
We have to stop using their language. They are trans-identified MEN. We are women, not cis.
Exactly!
Professor Stock is a breath of fresh air. Assertive, informed, and compassionate.
Her book makes no attempt to genuinely suppose what being trans might be other than considering some rather trivial popular descriptions e.g. the "stick of rock/ SOR model". She also (in an Oxford or Cambridge Union debate - I forget which) used a reverse statistic about the proportion of trans women serving custodial sentences that are due to sexual assault to imply something about risks posed by trans women when such a statistic could never provide that kind of information (you'd need to know what proportion of trans women altogether commit acts of violence - same as you can't judge all males on statistics concerning only males in prison). She's able to sound very considered and I'm sure she's well meaning but despite her academic background she's far from a clear thinker on this topic. When asked whether she thinks that trans women may be less likely to pose a risk to women than cis men she scoffs and avoids the question. Difficult to discern what is actually motivating her but it's not an unbiased or unmotivated position.
@@jnielson1121 As soon a someone uses terms like "cis" I realise that I'm addressing a indoctrinated ideologue and marvel at how accurate Orwell actually was 75 years ago .
@@Leigh-ry3yb Wow, that's rude. Who were you addressing (don't think it was me)? Far from an ideologue you'll find me quite open-minded. Talking about trangender issues is complicated and often confusing. "Cis" meaning someone who doesn't identify as trans seems pretty sensible to me - and a bit less impersonal than "female" or "male". Have you read Stock's book?...
@@jnielson1121 It was the LGBTQ+ community that added and pushed for the words CIS, and CISGENDER, because they don't like it when normal people refer to them as not normal, or abnormal. That is why the CIS words were added to the dictionary a few years ago. Now when it comes to the trans stuff, well saying that Trans Women are Women, or Trans Men are Men will work for the trans, Non Binary, or Gender Fluid individuals, but it doesn't work for the rest of the world that isn't part of the LGBTQ+ community. You say you are open minded, however people in the LGBTQ+ community, and those that are part of ANTIFA are FAR from being open minded. They are open to people that will bend to their ways, but are not open minded to anyone that doesn't agree with them. Considering the vast majority of the population DON'T agree with many of these trans rights. As a matter of fact, when Non Binary, or Gender Fluid individuals can change there gender identity, and/or pronouns whenever they want, but what really kills me is when some of those same individuals will continue to change their reindeer gender identity pronouns whenever they want. So today an individual could be using They/Them pronouns, and a week from now be something else, like Ze/Zir. That is just really screwed up. It not about being open, its about what is right and wrong at this point, especially when some of those individuals can change their current pronouns with the wind, but want everyone else around them to play along with their current selection of pronouns. Some of those individuals will go as far to wear a pin, or badge, or some article of clothing that has their current pronouns plastered on those wearable items. That is a fail for any society, period. Plus some of those individuals want to get rid of gender on drivers license, as well as having gender removed from some other things as well. This is gone off the rails, because this is effecting everyone, and not just the Trans/Non Binary/Gender Fluid communities.
Professor Stock was dismissed by Sussex University. She was also corrected by CARLOLINE DHEJNE for misinterpreting the findings of the Swedish study by DHJENE et al. on the issue of criminality in the transgender community. When two separate institutions find fault with Ms. Stock, it is time to pay attention.
Just imagine how messed up our society is when you cannot say a man is not a woman... and then think about how right now that is only one of many crazy things about the way the world is going!
All part of the Commie Manifesto, pychological attacks on sane people, divide and conquer.
They’re taking away our ability to communicate clearly
@@DFunct905 Yep, control the language and make people second guess everything they say.
@@Jaysonbc1234 Yep, definitely!
@@Jaysonbc1234 Yes, we are entering the world of 1984 Doublethink.
The trans activists in school, particularly junior schools, is chilling. It would rightly have been regarded as child abuse before.
That is because it IS.
Look up sex matters and transgender trend for proper help.
It still is child abuse
It’s grooming
Exactly, growing children have more than enough pressure now
When I was a kid I loved the tale "Emperor's New Clothes."
I would have never thought I'd live to experience that same thing in my lifetime. We are now actually living that tale.
Absolutely. I was just thinking the same thing myself.
I’ve also often quoted the emperor’s new clothes as a good example for what is happening at the moment.
I'm with Professor Stock, we all have to start calling out these dangerous and destabilising ideologies.
yes, but in order to do that we have to stop using gender woo woo language. A man is not a "she". A man is a "he".
@Bree Dayzed Let's follow the money and see where it leads: ...
It leads to pharmaceutical companies. To the petrochemical conglomerates. The producers of the chemicals to spay and neuter men and women. To get them hooked on chemicals - on medicines - all of their lives, like slaves. The surgery procedures are tens of thousands of dollars and they are a money-maker to medical organizations.
"Reputable medical organization" is not so reputable. When they commit malpractice it's always extremely difficult to get them to admit mistakes and compensate victims.
We live in a world where pharmaceutical companies consider us cattle to experiment and derive an income from.
It's easy and cheap for them to exert influence in colleges and universities worldwide, since they own laboratories and fund research. Science is beholden to Big Pharma.
@Bree Dayzed You sound exactly like a pharma commercial and engage in ad personam. Your testimony is also the fallacy of authority. I don't care about your personal life. Seriously: IDGAS about your trips regarding gender and sexuality. It just shows how self-obsessed you are and how much on the mark I am to call out the pharma companies.
I care about freedom of speech, and I don't have in good regard anyone who is a pharma corporate shill.
@Bree Dayzed I'm pretty sure sex change surgery is not a cure for cancer. It's obvious your gender change didn't make you Sane.
To any kids and teens reading this stuff:
You are YOU. You are not some sexual predator's toy. Don't be a sheep for these creeps. Be Yourself and allow yourself to develop organically as a natural human being.
@Bree Dayzed You are NOT the Focus here.
Your personal story and feelings are not important.
The primary concern are WOMEN who are not consulted and listened to in regards to their worries and wishes. There have already been rapes in schools by transgenders or those posing as.
You are still a self-obsessed male who doesn't want to understand a real woman's vulnerabilities if all you want to do is justify your rich man's surgeries and lifestyle.
Selfishness is not a trait that disappears with a surgery and a batch of hormone treatments, obviously.
I like rational and logical people.
Me too.
It's becoming a rare commodity.
agreed, I come onto this channel for a solid dose of sanity.
Shame there seems to be barely any of them left
@@michaelbashford2733 I share your regret. 😒
"I'm not oppressing you Stan, you haven't got a womb" -Monty Pythons Life of Brian
I very often think of that movie when I am forced to think of this nonsense.
Who knew that the absurdities of the 1980s would be the reality of 2020?
Dave, You Are Aware that even John Cleese has been Shamed by the Crazy 'Woke,' Cancel Culture Leftists?
@@norawheeler2555 Who Knew Monty Python's John Cleese IS Now a Target for the Insane, Woke, Cancel Culture Mob? 😳
Such a great movie. Way ahead of its time.
last year I volunteered at the Israeli LGBTQ(XYZTARSAHSDJFKDH) Youth Organization. I am a lesbian woman. every controversy that came up about transgenderism was considered transphobia. zero freedom of speech.
I'm so glad and relievd that an intelegent woman speaks out what i couldn't.
I had a 13 years old student who decided every week what gender she was, and i had to respect that and change my pronouns every time, that was a complete joke.
Today I can say, i decided to not be a part of that delusional community.
i am lesbian and i don't stand for any of that gender issues that i have nothing to do with - i am not LGBTQ just a lesbian proud woman.
It is heartening to see a grown up push back against this madness.
You are the madness with no heart.
Found ya!!
Cowardly hiding in all the comments to just tear somebody down with no reason, statement and no respect.
Perfect example of a wokie who can't probably even comprehend what Kathleen is saying.
This is the kind of interview the BBC used to do. The quality of the questioning and the debate itself are really excellent. How sad that our mainstream media seems so reluctant to explore the truth in this way.
Neo Marxists started their " Long March " more than 60 years ago .
The Beeb producers would rather pull out their own teeth than allow a conversation this frank to be broadcast.
@@julius277 It's journalism is increasingly surreal. It seems to bear no relation to reality and is locked into an ideological, lecturing, self-congratulatory bubble. The corporation is doomed.
The state propaganda machine is driven by a hard core agenda & vested interests who buy their unwavering loyalty. Open, critical unbiased discussion is anathema to the them.
I suspect the BBC is full of people who believe the new woke creed, and people who are too scared to express an alternative view. I’ve yet to hear an analysis of BLM on the BBC web site, I’ve only seen an unquestioning ‘aren’t they great’ presentation of BLM. They were happy to ‘Fact Check’ Brexit.
Only in the crazy world of 2021 is there any question about this. It's not supposed 'hate speech', it's just facts. There is an element of society that needs support, but just changing their sex denomination is not going to fix this.
As in the old Zhao Gao Chinese tale of deer as horse, it's both gaslighting and a test of loyalty.
They will be saying that--'The king has no clothes' next
Very well said!
@Amy h you're such a liar. Seethe and dilate
@Amy h you can't even be bothered to fix your typo in your spamming copy pasta
I watched a documentary about a little boy whose parents have decided that he is trans. They dress him as a female, paint his nails and have now given him a female name. At his age he wouldn't understand the situation. This is a decision made by the child's parents. In the long term they could deprive their child of the right to be a father, to fall in love and live a happy normal life, to satisfy their own stupid narcissism.
They are guilty of child abuse and are warping his mind. He needs rescuing and placed in a home where the adults recognise that he is a male.
We need you Kathleen, I’m behind you 100% sister.
The whole thing is political. And its nonsense.
Much like Orwell’s 1984, the language is being changed so words lose their meaning. ‘Gender’ is becoming synonymous with ‘personality’ and gradually the link between gender and biological reality is getting lost.
@@davidgraham8058 Mother = BIRTHING PERSON
WTF 🤨
This SHIT needs to STOP 😡
@Steve Williams absolutely. It’s a Tavistock social engineering experiment, which is being funded and orchestrated by tyrannical individuals, who are also pushing the covid global governance transformation. People need to understand that governments have no power and are not answerable to the population. They’re answerable solely to the multinational corporations, and the dictators who control the corporations.
I often wonder whether I’m living in the same world as everyone else.
Crap
It's not often mentioned but men cannot die of ovarian cancer as women cannot die of prostate cancer. Just my thoughts.
Biological men who are trans and identify as women and live their lives as women can have prostate cancer. If you don't wanna refer to transwomen as women and keep refering to them as men it's your right i just don't get why it's so important for people to do that..why feel the need to say that when it's hurtful to trans people and it"s a fact that we are trying to forget and runaway from ? It's literally what being trans is about ! What is so hard about considering trans people as the gender they wanna be ? The "cure" to people being trans is not and never will be telling them they are not the gender they claim to be.
@@Alicegab300 you do realize what you said right? I mean, what about the hurt this causes women. I’m being delegated to body parts and no longer am allowed to be a women or be proud of it. They throw labels on me that I didn’t agree with. I’m not a cis women. I’m a women. I breastfed my kids, I have periods, I carried my babies in my body. Male bodies get to compete against me. I’m not safe from men in prison or other women safe spaces. I know a women with 3 kids who had to leave the women’s shelter because of a trans women. Her children couldn’t understand that she was trans and only saw her as a man and were terrified of her because to them, she was a he. A man had raped and abused them, their mom etc. That’s why they were in a women’s shelter. The trans women at the shelter didn’t do anything wrong but those kids shouldn’t have had to leave! This was supposed to be a safe place from men for them! So how does that work?? How do we explain to kid that men and women are the same? You can’ because even small children recognize the differences between sexes no matter how much makeup you put on!
@@shaggydog7176 you're not allowed to be a woman? 😂😂
@@shaggydog7176 what about a safe space for the trans woman you're talking about ? And jail ??? Do you know what happens to trans women if they go to a male prison??
@@shaggydog7176 the children need to be educated about it..the trans woman shouldn't have to risk her life just bc children were scared
I had not heard of Kathleen Stock before this interview. She shows an extraordinarily rare combination of intelligence and common sense. That alone is enough to condemn her in many circles because she is independent minded and will not accept having views and opinions thrust upon her by identitarians' perceptions of her identity. She is also clearly a courageous woman and I wish her well.
It should be compulsory for everyone to watch this EXCELLENT interview. This lady is brilliant, knowledgeable and makes the subject understandable.
Such an obvious statement, yet in the present it's a statement of controversy and hate. What an Insane world this has become.
I blame social media for making people think their opinion is "correct" because of a thumb pointing upwards.
And it makes me sad living was too hard for many to even think of this We are creating problems for ourselves
I feel like everyone here is missing the point...of course trans women are born male and are genetically male and same for trans men..nobody is denying that we would not define ourselves as trans if it was the case...the thing is if i wanna live my life conforming to woman caracteristics in society i don't see what is wrong woth it at all. Are people mad because they refuse to consider transwomen women? But why? In what way does it affect your life what other people wanna be qualified as? I feel like people who feel the need to say "you're a man" are totally missing the point WE KNOW but we have a condition that makes us not want to be a man so why not just be kind to us ? We know that there is no "cure" to transgenderism and that trans people who spress their feelings are unhappy so what is the goal of everyone in always pointing out an obvioud truth that is hurtful to us and that has not a lot of importance and no effects on other people's lives
@@Alicegab300 If it wasn't shoved in people's faces all the time then less people would care. I think a key irritation is the increasing attempt to label those who do not agree trans women are real women, such as myself, as some kind of bigot.
@@myzamau428 to me you're a bigot if you keep targeting trans people and say purposfully hurtful things to them if you don't consider trans people as "real" women it's ok to me. I am a trans women and i do not consider myself a biological woman just like most of us. If you think telling others to respect trans people and stop refering to them as their biological sex is shoving it in your face well then i think you missed the point about what being trans is about.
I think it’s disrespectful to a woman, that a man thinks he can be one . As a man, a husband, brother, son and father I have absolute respect for all the women I know and wouldn’t dare to suggest I could be one.
I agree. It's disrespectful to both genders, and there is no hate in what I say, but biological facts and science are not on these people's side.
it is extremely disrespectful. And no one asked women if they were OK with men being called women. I am a woman (adult human female) and I am not OK with males being referred to as any kind of woman. I have nothing in common with men pretending to be women.
❤️
Spot on John! In fact it makes me crazy mad. Thank you for recognizing this..
Exactly! Trans people can dress as a woman or even sleep with men but u will never menstruate nor conceive, carry or birth a child like a woman can
Great interview, she speaks so well and articulately, shameful she wasn't better protected.
Thank you for not being afraid to speak the TRUTH 💜
Trans is a fashion. 1000 years in the future an archaeologist will unearth a skeleton and tell you what sex it was.
Are you trans?
@@willpushback4874 Sure am. I identify as trans vax.
@@floydisnutz8443 You are very funny, in your own small reality I'm sure.
@@willpushback4874 So long as I'm not part of your reality, all is fine.
@@floydisnutz8443 Keep on being really funny fool..
If someone’s confused about their gender saying “trans” before their desired gender further enables their confusion.
If someone’s confused about their gender .. get them to milk a bull.
If a man can just identify as a woman there is no need for the word 'trans'. He just is.
Of course it's rubbish, there's no internal logic at all. If a man can just 'be' a woman why would you need to have all kinds of surgery? Evidently they don't really believe that so they have to create a 'performance' of a woman. So, fake. Just dressing up.
There was a man or woman I knew which you could have taken for either, I was called transphobic because in never referenced their gender, despite never been told what they should be referred to as, all because I was scared to say he or she. You can’t win
I have no problem supporting those with dysphoria by prefixing "trans-" to their preferred GENDER.
I do object to being compelled not to be able to refer to my wife, as a "woman" or to my "sister" or to my late "mother" or, if I had one, to a "daughter".
But then these middle class, latte drinking, white woke nazis are fully aware of that.
Matthew Smith
The British way has always been 'live and let live' i.e. none of my business. This current obsession seems to be all about forcing a confrontation. 'You're either with us or against us', they say, actually I'm not too fussed as long as you don't scare the horses.
Bravo! How courageous she is for braving this storm for the rest of us!!!
This needs posting on EVERY media site, paper etc ad EVERY website in the WORLD!
Literally like the old joke “I’m a lesbian trapped in a mans body”.
Love it
Or I'm not gay but my boyfriend is
Where is the joke there,when there are some transgender people who believe they should have been born as a lesbian woman and are trapped in the incorrect body do to nature getting it wrong. Should we not show compassion?
@@trevordeane3940 I agree with you on the need for compassion because truth be told, 95% of the time at least in my experience there is no harm in just living and letting live. People choose to present themselves to the world in a number of ways and wouldn’t it just be better if we left each other to live the way that makes us happy in good faith? That being said, in my opinion compassion does not equal acquiescing to every demand or saying yes to every new development. The process of becoming and creation necessitates that we humans and all beings constantly press the envelope of accepted category and rules. However there is, and naturally need be a limit to how much the metaphorical envelope can be pushed. Restraints and restrictions can be oppressive yes, but there are simultaneously what allow us to create category itself and all that follows from it. So there is a constant push and pull to maintain that balance and still allow for the emanation of the new. 4 years ago I would have considered myself staunchly pro trans, pro freedom and I still stand by my reasons and opinions of that time. Now? Not so much, there are some things that it is ok and necessary to say no to. Just my 2 cents.
@@trevordeane3940 Nope. No compassion, no tolerance. It's ridiculous nonsense unworthy of our compassion, and we need to fight these dangerously insane beliefs.
The gender confusion issue is part of a more nefarious ideology of post modernism, this idea puts forth the proposition that there's no such thing as objective truth, only power, you can't debate idea's with someone who doesn't believe in the existence of objective truth, because they put forth their feelings and emotions in opposition to the scientific method as if feelings and emotions are equal to truth.
Postmodernisms aim is to deconstruct, ergo destroy western society. Resist the madness.
Your right. Nothing is empirical, only conceptual and ideological. When the moral compass no longer points to magnetic north than we are all in unchartered territory . Regards.
@@justaroundthecorner2883 good luck trying to maintain a moral compass when up is down, left is right, men are women and nothing has any meaning at all.
It’s nihilistic relativism. The only truth is power and oppression. They’re steering the world toward the worst sorts of tribal conflict.
The Frankfurt school of Marxism was founded by Carl grunberg. Leon Trotsky was lev davidovich Bronstein. Lenin arrived from germany with femminist rosa Luxemburg. People still don't understand history! Those who invented communism.... invented the central banking system. Russia 1917. Bolshevik revolution 2021 is the West. Destruction of Christianity and Jesus, has always been the aim. Destruction of white monolithic societies of Europe never stopped. If you donot learn from the past.... you will repeat it's mistakes.
What becomes of a society who raises people to be “activists” as their only career or passion … they continually have to look for things to agitate about, it becomes a kind of hair shirt and whether it makes sense to anyone else or not. Some of it is a search for identity, some is simply attention getting. - Kathleen Stock is courageous.
Thank goodness for Kathleen Stock. She brings sanity and clarity to counter the activist-extremist lobby. A brave thinker.
Kathleen is a breath of fresh air, showing common sense in this potty world of woke idiocy
Yeah but it would make more sense if she didn't call men "she".
She is a narc and not reliable.
@@ablaqueate7437 yes I just heard the interview that Kelly-Jay Keen did with Julia Long where they read what she says about Julia Long and frankly I'm appalled. Narc indeed. Trying to elevate herself by throwing women (who did the hard work) under the bus by defamation based on assumptions.
@@mariasoulastrology8169 Yep, (and the OBE is always suspicious too, noting who else in the 'trans lobby' have recieved establishment pats - and those women who have not). A relative noob who saw an opportunity imo plus.
:(
@@ablaqueate7437 yes and this interview is called exactly the same as Posie's on Triggernometry that recently hit a million views. Smells like that knowingly or not, she's a mouth piece to divert attention now that the hard work of those who dare to speak the truth have gained a bit of territory (Posie's million views/Stonewall crumbling).
My heart goes out to those who transitioned but changed their minds. That is truly tragic.
How did we get to this strange place?
Communism.
@Cath. Lamontagne
Yes I agree, hopefully it will change as it certainly needs too.
Very charming, smart and attractive lady
Basing laws over people’s self perceptions.
Listen to them, and look at the scientific evidence, desistence rates and regret rates are extremely small.
Stock is so full of misinformation.
Biology and psychology are not independent island systems. They can not be separated. What you have going on inside you and your internal feeling and experience can NOT be separated from your biology.
How encouraging it is to see such a professional, thoughtful and personable woman standing up for what used to be called common sense. We need more people like her, having the courage to stand by her personal convictions on behalf of the silent majority.
I identify as an alien 👽- now more than ever.
Now we need to add 100 more genders into the existing list...
Good timing what with the increasing legitimization of UFO's of late.
I don't blame you, it's getting more embarrassing and cringy everyday to identify as human.
I've often considered myself as such.
There was no mention of atheletes within this realm, of course trans women athelete's have an advantage phsically and biologically over there opponants and is clearly obvious within women's weightlifting events. Great debate and beautifully presented.
When a man can be awarded the best female comedian prize like Izzard, you can only feel sorry for women who work so hard at their craft.
Agree - lm just waiting for the first death in the contact sports - its is very very wrong
It's coming to be an undeniable argument, more everyday
@@davidgranvillehunter6231 agree, except that apart from 1 or 2 exceptions, females are just not funny.
And there is a reason transmen (biological females) aren't trying to break into men's sports.
They would never be able to successfully compete against men and they know it!
Sending very best wishes to Kathleen who appears to be in the midst of harassment at Sussex Univerity due to her views. I am glad the university is supporting her. Universities must be about free speech and the ability to voice and challenge difficult topics without this kind of bullying or harassment.
What a relief to hear two people talk about a contentious issue in such an informed and informative way! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
This Country needs to step culturally and socially further away from America
No matter who’s in the Whitehouse !
Yes. There are way too many idiots over here gagging at the prospect of bringing over every progressive idea the US sicks up. The whole narrative around BLM is a glaring example.
Well said. All the bad stuff happens first in America! (and some good stuff)
Thank you. Some people are hell bent on Americanizing Britain. Britain is a unique country and should remain so. You are suppose to be clarity in an insane western world.
@@greatworld8230 To he honest it’s probably to late to stop.
It’s been in progress since the late fifties.
I’m not say it’s not coming back but it’s getting harder to do so.
Unfortunately The Great War did so much damage that Anglo Norman England is on life support (if that)
A good does of English Patriotic feeling is needed ( not the football type either )
This is cultural marxism. In what way is it "American" in origin as opposed to European?
There seems to be something of a contradiction when we refer to Universities as "centres of learning".
They are now centres of PC, Culture Destroying and Marxist clap trap. Children around the world are indoctrinated in schools and universities with this rubbish on a daily basis.
Thank you so much for speaking out! I totally agree with you! Wish you all the best with your book sales.
I was listening with interest
but when you said "we are both gay people"
I understood how you could be so direct, precise but not hateful.
I'm listening with even more interest now...
Pantomime horses are real horses
Hahahahahaha....these whippersnapper divs nowadays will scold you for hurting its feelings🙄
Mint. I will remember that one!
@@robertshacklock205 Sargon coined it ages ago .. it’s now one of my favs
Hot dogs are dogs.
Cricket bats are bats.
Seahorses are horses.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣 nice one
I am full of admiration and deeply grateful to Professor Stock for her desperately needed publications and championing of free speech and a reality based on truth. The current landscape is hazardous in the extreme, and society ever more divided and deranging. The perversion of language is truly sinister and the erosion and denial of the very existence of women is profoundly threatening. I salute your courage and steadfastness Professor Stock, and support you absolutely.
Whose truth? Using hazardous and similarly deranging is in itself sounding rather close minded
Well said Jossfan. Divided and deranging hardly even covers it.
@@francespotter7697 I saw adverts today celebrating lesbianism the most striking was lesbians welcome transwomen! Transmen? Transphobia in the ranks I deduct
@@JustinSmith-kn9ef yes I watched this issue split the lesbian community in Sydney 25 years ago. And now it's happening in the mainstream. I didn't take a stand then but I am doing so now!
@@francespotter7697 why what's wrong with transition to female?
Excellent discussion. These things need to be said.
Thank you Dame Kathleen for your rationality, dignity, poise, grace, logic and intellect on this matter, it very refreshing!
Now in my 70s, I enjoyed dressing my sister’s dolls as a young child, played almost exclusively with girls and had no interest in football. I never thought of myself as a girl though and developed as a ‘normal’ heterosexual male.
Many people don't know their sexuality until they're in their mid teens or even later. It's natural. Yet youngsters get convinced they're trans by listening to liberal educators who have an agenda which is not in their best interests.
There isn’t anything wrong with being lesbian, Gay, trans, bi sexual or on the other side, heterosexual. However I don’t want to hear their views imposed on others and made to feel guilty
I hated dolls and preferred toy cars. Grew up as a normal woman who loves ducks and cats.
Same here, I think at that age I liked that girls got to be sensitive and talked about things rather than fighting. As I got older, I realized it wasn't that I wanted to be female (especially after I learned about menstruation and pregnancy), I just wanted to emulate their best traits.
I am with you Brian. I do like the NFL. and MLB. AND I like learning about makeup and ladies’ fashion. I also identify as a straight male. I think a key here is more tolerance to people who have interest in things typically associated with the opposite sex without the need to label us as gay, trans, etc.
Kathleen Stock is very impressive - clear and courageous, given all the insults, attacks and isolation (by her academic colleagues) thrown her way. And all for saying what 99% of people think.
She wasn't saying "what 99% of people think" on the issue of Brexit though. In fact she would have been happy to see the votes of the 52% cancelled. She said and wrote as much. Now the 'cancellers' have come for her. How sad
Not what 99% of people think.. but what 99% of people KNOW.
She might seem impressive (don't let that fool you), but she couldn't even come out as a lesbian until much later in life after she married a man and had kids. It's called years and years of denial. Probably also applies to denying that trans women are women too. Just give it another couple of decades and she might change her mind.
@@baxterenrife brexit is to good foreign policy as trans women are women is to biology. Sometimes people make bad decisions based off of bad information. Cue all the brexit voters saying "i didnt understand what i was voting for"
@@thedukeofswellington1827 "Bad information" such as?
Are you suggesting that the entire remain lobby understood what status quo of the EU of six years ago, meant? What the EU following the new Aachen treaty, bringing an army under the Franco-German axis closer would entail? Cameron's fake "reformed" EU? EU with multiple Euros? EU with a single budget? The answer of course is no, so one wonders then if remainers knew what they were voting for?
As a PS, without panic Googling, you couldn't have told us who your last MEP was. So your "Brexiteers didn't know what they were voting for" gambit is as fake as it is disingenuous. .
This lady is STONE COLD. I already love her so much.
This is great. Thank you Kathleen. It must have been a hard time so far, we all must anchor ourselves in the truth.
If we had a strong government it would hound Stonewall out of every nook and cranny of the State.
You are right. Perhaps Baroness Falkner will make a difference. Sex Matters is asking the government to investigate Stonewall's lobbying and inclusion as 'experts' on equal rights law making panels as breaking the Nolan rules on public governance. I am writing to the Charities Commission to ask Stonewall to stop the 'Trans women are women' claim as it is insidious gaslighting, a recognised form of abuse and manipulation.
the war is on logic, reason, and understanding. their goal is to combine opposites, thus dissolving meaning. do this to enough things and the fabric of society will crumble.
And that is a fact
Yes, the final goal is to control. This is what Orwell's 1984 was about. The elites have jumped at this movement as the perfect opportunity to rid people of critical thinking.
And then they'll usher in the "solution".
I understand about Orwell ( I went to secondary school 1969-1974, we did essays on what 1984 might actually prove to be like, but 2024 stuff was way beyond anything we could ever imagine !) but what do you mean by elites ? Activists in universities are not politicians. They are either students, lecturers or members of outside activist groups ( who generally have specific thing they are trying to influence the politicians, or society generally, regarding a specific issue. They aren't " the elite" because if they were they wouldn't have to try to influence politicians.
And I get that people might want to manipulate society so they can get or maintain power, but what is meant by
"the solution" ?
So well spoken and rational on this topic. What’s happening to our children is frightening. Once you’ve cut off body parts, you can’t put them back. We must take reality back!
Thank you for interviewing her, & focusing on this issue.
Evergreen College, even back in 2016, had 40% who identified as 'other' (trans or nonbinary).
How on earth any clear stats can be collected that way I have no idea.
Thats Disturbing....
that's odd... just odd.. disturbing.
Social contagion at Evergreen College is not a surprise. I’m sure the stats were collected via survey and self-reporting. This cult is eating away at everything good about modernity.
If you engineer a question along the lines of, 'do you feel 100% male or 100% female' and then categorise anyone who doesn't place themselves right at the end of the spectrum as 'trans or non binary', then it's easy to see how you could come up with a figure like this.
@Don Pedro - i was going to say, wasnt that the campus that was taken over the students and the professors taken hostage?
This world needs more Kathleen Stock's! Common Sense is rapidly disappearing
Gawd no!
More PP, MB, BB, JB, JL, SJ, NC, KD, LK, etc.
Enough of these 'academics' and those who got us in this mess.
This is way, way more than common sense. Common sense is usually a really bad thing when dealing with social perception.
Your ilk are not from this world. The Nazis even admitted it.
Academic heavyweight like Prof Stock taking on and facing down the lunatic fringe .. Refreshing...
This is the kind of talk show we need back on our tv screens. With people being allowed to speak what they think and us the public being allowed to make up our own mind as to how to take it. I find Kathleen a breath of fresh air and admire her greatly 🦋
I believe I'm James Bond, irresistible to women and capable of dodging bullets. I demand you refer to me as such and fawn over me. You must do this because I believe it to be so.
Shurely, you jesht?
Yes, I used to be a White Hetro English 50yr old male,5'10". I for a week now demand to be known as a 6'5" 80 yr Chinese woman.
You’re probably ewww
Raquel Welch here. Anyone who doesn't agree with my identity is a mysogenist bigot.😊
It’s a shame intersectional feminists, by prioritising identity politics, have destroyed feminism for women like me. Many of us, like Kellie Jay Keen aka Posie Parker, are no longer calling ourselves feminists because of these trans handmaidens.
You do know what intersectionality is I presume ?
Its origins and aims ?
Yes. Kathleen is one who vilified Posie isn't she?
Feminism was always about tearing down both men and women by denying the differences between us. The earlier ones were just less extreme in their rhetoric.
I am no longer a feminist but I have become a femalist.
it is not nearly shame, this was always its destination, anything past equality under the law is just identarian tribalism
brilliant interview; much food for thought
I hope people will buy your book 'Material Girls' Kathy and gift it to others! Thank you for standing up.
It’s like the dark ages with how far backwards some have gone.
No, the Dark Ages were logical. They looked back to Classical authors like Cicero and Aristotle.
Worse - they are eradicating all gains from the Enlightenment
The dark ages were never like this. At least then people knew if they had a pole or a hole.
What Kathleen says she says with authority understanding & respect. To me everything she said made perfect sense. No sensible person could disagree with her. Please keep up your brilliant work. I learnt a lot listening to all she & Peter discussed.
Yes, except that she keeps calling men "she". It seems she don't understand that a male is a "he"
I once had a conversation with a Syrian immigrant in Hamburg Germany. He had trauma from living in a war torn country. And he asked me a sincere question knowing that I studied psychology (I am not a therapist).
He asked, “Why is it that when a man cries women run away. And when a woman cries women run to them to comfort them.”
I was struck by the question because when I initially went into therapy for PTSD, I had a woman therapist. And when I broke down in grief. She reported that she felt a reflex to leave room. She said this as an admission of her counter-transference (which is common for a therapist to do on occasion).
I also experienced this in subtle ways throughout my life as to how women harmonize with one another, very differently from men, even if the men are effeminate or gay.
My conclusion is that this is in fact not trivial. Biological men and biological women actually respond socially differently in subtle and nuanced ways. This idea couid be overly essentialized overly generalized but it does not make it a trivial concern.
Using this as an example, for me I specifically sought out a male trauma therapist so I felt comfortable as I went through my own grieving and recovery process.
This is not to say that women can’t be good therapist for men or vice versa, but it is to say that a client actually may need gender specific therapists.
A woman who is a victim of rape, might not feel comfortable with a male therapist or a transgender MTF therapist. Should she have the right to request a biological female therapist whom she feels will serve her better?
But also I must add another note. In certain cultures such as India, who have a 3rd gender category, they don’t regard Hijra the same as women, nor do Samoans regard Fa Fa Fina the same as biological women. In ALL cases in anthropology and historically alternative genders were/are considered 3rd, 4th, and 5th categories.
The fact that there are other gender categories is often brought up in this discussion but every time there is the omission that they are not categorized the same.
Very interesting and insightful, thanks.
Such a great conversation❤
I'm surprised this book hasn't been banned. I've bought it this morning, its lovely to be able to purchase a book based on sense. Thank you Kathleen Stock !
Great interview! Prof Stock is highly admirable: boldly speaks and writes perfect sense, with people's best interests at heart.
@Sns Mills. I totally agree with you and what a crazy world we live in when an intelligent, wise person is hauled over the coals for "causing offence" to the unintelligent and crazy.
She does not, read her book.
Patronising, poorly researched, and dismissive actually rude about those who have done genuine work!
(she us a bit thick plus)
sensible, intelligent and interesting lady here - a pleasure to listen to.
I am a man, who self-identifies as a man, in a male body, all of which leaves me completely confused. What’s more, I am attracted to women. I do hope the state provides psychological support for such cases as mine.
Your attracted to women cause of deep biological need to produce. If you had to do this with a chicken you be attracted to all things chicken. 😮
"In my studies of Communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform - but to humiliate; and therefore the less it conforms to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity."
- Theodore Dalyrymple
Exactly! George Orwell also knew this when he wrote 1984:
O'Brien "how many fingers am I holding up, Winston?"
Winston "four"
O'Brien " And if the party says it's not four but five, how many then? "
"Probity" is such a great word.
@@BrainiacFingers interesting regarding the current situation and the "life saving" vaccines....
Brilliant.
This has nothing to do with communism. It's actually about capitalist decadence.
Many thanks for a very incisive commentary upon the current madness, and the dangers thereof, taking hold of sections of society.
Thanks for speaking out!!
When it's brave to state the blindingly obvious.
Trans women are women in the same sense that I am the chairman of Barclays Bank and their cashiers should just hand over wads of money to me when I ask for it.
Loved your comment. I'm Trans rich myself, just can't convince the hateful Range Rover dealer to give me a car.
Can you cut me 10% for the big guy
Ironically Barclays are one of the neoliberal global corporations that promote gender.
The Chairman of Barclays Bank has unlimited access to the bank's funds? That is outrageous. Have you reported this?
Not the same thing. Only Trans people get to just do whatever they want, all the time.
(Source: The Simpsons.) ^
Prior to the mid 1950’s Gender and sex were synonyms! Dr John Money, an American Psychologist was working on a study involving what we came to know as “Body Dysmorphia” which amongst his contemporaries had been dismissed as Schizophrenia. He and his team described and defined BD as symptoms which involved, amongst other manifestations, as Gender Identification.
Over a period of half a century, particularly with the rise of the Internet, SM and Urban Dictionaries the “Identity” part was dropped. Initially I suspect, for convenience of speech but latterly because it served a particular agenda. The now popular screech of the progressives is that there are innumerable genders. This of course is only true is you use the term “gender identity” in its true sense because of course anyone can identify as a can of slugs if they choose. However, there are only two Genders, despite the hysterical screams of the confused justifying their case on intersex etc.
Dr John Money was a hero.
I am Gob Smacked that we have to defend Science Fact.
Well, pre 2019 science wasn't decided by political spin, the Chinese peoples party or twitter...
@@mercyferal Accept it.
If you cannot understand it, don't hold that against yourself, not everyone has a science-oriented mind.
If it does not make you 'feel' good about yourself, it's okay since that's not it's purpose, don't try to change our peer approved STEAM academics programs to fit yourself into the cornerstones of history or erase other groups or people from history. (STEAM: Science Technology Engineering Art Math)
@@mercyferal First of all, why would you want to fabricate abhorrent arguments, and then claim that's what someone else would want afflicted on you? Don't Straw-Man to win arguments.
Secondly, I won't have a problem, as long as we respect the centuries of scientific research and the processes of the peer based scientific method. Meaning, if we want academic understanding or verbiage to improve, we need to submit a thesis to be peer reviewed and fairly accepted or refuted accordingly.
Reason to protect Scientific Method and Academic Studies: The only reason you can state the claim that our knowledge of neurological and biological intricacies is inconclusive, is because so many unremembered devotees of science spent their entire careers/lives trying to reach for knowledge and build our understanding of nature to the point that we currently find ourselves.
I'm sorry for the long-winded post but I'm adamant on the topic of Academic studies and Academia, I believe our species' future depends on the knowledge being revealed through that institute.
@@mercyferal I don't see why anyone should stop you, or have the right to stop you from transitioning. Government should probably stay out of it, treating it as they claim to treat religion. That idea is fortified by your claimed personal perception of the nature of gender, that it's spiritual.
At most, maybe have a process like they did for my room mate when he got a vasectomy procedure: He was 24 (considered young) and therefore was required to take a psych evaluation and a few counseling sessions just to determine he wasn't making a decision he would regret.
Concerning permanent surgical procedures. I'm concerned about young people who are full of post-pubescent hormones that flow and change on the drop of a hat, and alter their perception and goals with them. Young folks are highly susceptible to peer pressure and social recognition, especially if they weren't raised in a TV Land family and have regular problems like the rest of us... Either an age restriction or psych evaluation, or both should be required before making such decisions, they're important and may hold more weight/value than first perceived.
At least, those are my opinions.
@@mercyferal I did not realize the hormone therapy could have permanent results, is it testosterone that contributes to bone structure?
Either way, we need people whom understand the circumstances, and care about the psychological and physiological well-being of the transitioning individual. I would imagine most counselors are just as informed on your situation as myself, which is of little to no assistance to you, should you need someone with understanding for an ear to listen, or words of encouragement for console.
Like you said, we seem to have a ways to go, we're basically just at the grass-roots beginnings still.
Love and be loved! Stay safe out there!
Biology doesn't care about your "feelings"
That's exactly the point of contention. Feelings don't care about biology in a purely relativist world. This is because a relativist world redefines everything based on feelings.
You always hear this "argument" when speaking about trans issues. One thing I want to ask is, what do we do with trans people then? Because they do exist, and always have existed and will keep existing. India and Mexico have recognised third genders for men who identify as women for thousands of years, this isn't some wacky new idea. Do we just drug them to the point of not being able to perceive who they are? I can't help but see that parallels with the gay debate many years ago, "biology doesn't care about your 'feelings', penis and vagina were meant to go together so clearly you are just mentally ill and need saving". There are valid arguments and concerns regarding trans issues don't get me wrong, but this isn't one of them.
@@tomaskaziukonis2218 Transexuals, as they used to be known, old school, never caused a problem to society. That's because they quietly got on with their lives and never demanded anything of anyone else. Never demanded we change our language, never demanded access to female only spaces, never demanded women should move over and let men appropriate the female estate. Trans people cannot, in law, be discriminated against in any area of life (housing, employment, pensions, health & so on). They have every right that everybody else has. What they want are extra rights, at the expense of people who have only recently gained the full panoply of rights. This is what cannot be allowed, that some humans, by uttering the modern version of abracadabra (I think I'm a woman, therefore I am) get to overpower the rest of humanity.
@@jwest4773 You fail to mention what those extra rights are. trans people, as well as gays and lesbians, demanded a lot of things from society, which is why they enjoy the freedoms and liberty they do now.
To say trans people never spoke out on these issues is just straight up false. You seriously think these people got their rights just sitting around doing nothing? Of course not, they rose up and fought for them. Clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about and are just writing anything to justify your view point.
@@tomaskaziukonis2218 I am well aware of the struggle that the gay/lesbian cohort went through for recognition and equality before the law, and I would never begrudge them their achievements. However, things have changed and now lesbians, in particular, are finding themselves vilified and harassed if they won't accept males, identifying as women, as romantic/sexual partners! Sexual orientation is a real thing, you know. Hence the equality before the law for gay people, yet women who are only sexually attracted to women are being labelled as bigots and 'phobes for refusing advances from males calling themselves women. This is wrong and cruel, and causing a lot of stress (and possibly a cause of young lesbians themselves "identifying" out of womanhood altogether. This is the inherent selfishness of the new trans ideology, riding roughshod over the only recently acquired rights of women.
Many types of sports have only (in my lifetime) been expanded to include categories for women, yet within the blink of an eye, now males can participate, in women's sports, ARE already participating in some and, predictably, picking up the prizes. The most recent example I know of was a guy winning an important "women's" golf tournament in the US. This is an example of extra rights. Boys who are at best third rate college athletes in the US, are winning competitions when they switch gender to race against females. Second bite of the cherry?
Some UK examples; "Women's Officers" in political parties, these positions are open to self identified (as women) males. Hate speech laws, trans protected but misogyny is fine. If you misgender someone the police will be there like a shot from a gun, but don't expect any action should your house be burgled. Yet we ALL pay for the police, it's certainly quite a substantial chunk of my CT, how about you? Is that an extra right, or perhaps it's a privilege? Pips Bunce, a high up in a London bank, draws his nice big salary to support his wife and children. Twice a week wears a dress to work, won the "Women in Business" award a couple of years ago. Talk about having your cake and eating it...
I daresay the Equal Pay Commission is happy with things at the bank, them having a "woman" on the board. This ideology permeates every strata, from your aged mother feeling unsafe in her women's hospital ward, to anytime now a man winning a women's Olympic medal. Women are fast becoming, again, second class citizens.
Its hard to believe that we are actually living in such insane times. This was such a level headed/logical discussion - thank you.
Thank goodness for The New Culture Form, where we can have reasoned debates. I think Douglas Murray summed up matters when he said, ‘We live in a dictatorship of minorities.’
Confusing as normally, democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. IME
Tail well and truly wagging the dog.
great video. so glad to see courageous people speaking up
SO HAPPY THAT THIS IS RECENT! People need to keep this up! This cannot stop. On the other hand it sucks so much that we have to have these conversation instead of being able to help what's happening in Afghanistan..... all this energy this decade to these trivial insane issues instead of us halting what has been bubbling over there for decades....
Iran next door legalized transitioning in the 80's, that's when conservatives worldwide lost. Now give up already.
sam smith wouldnt be here without his mum & dad!
And he wouldn't have been able to sing the worst James Bond theme song in history either.
FACT
He is a drama queen who is just an out and out whack job. He does it for attention, jumped on the left bandwagon.
"Ladies and Gentlemen..." - gosh that's sooo offensive.
From what I hear, flight attendants are not allowed to say that any more.
I still start any official letter with "Dear Sir/Madam" unless I know the name of the person I am addressing it to.
I wonder how long it will be before I get arrested for that...
@@LittleKitty22 absolute madness
They are pandering down to this nonsense that’s the problem, how is the problem going to go away when we are just encouraging this ?
All my life I was taught there were male and Female. I sometimes saw men dressed as women - sometimes for comedic effect, sometimes because they felt they wanted (needed) to. I also saw women who dressed and acted as a man although this was less obvious because more and more women began to wear trousers and not apply face make-up. I was never bothered by it - sometimes I thought it was weird, sometimes I thought it eccentric. I never felt threatened nor did I think it threatening to my way of life. I never questioned their right to dress and act as they did - live and let live. Today that has all changed. I do now feel threatened and steer clear of "Trans people" where I can. Today we have governments debating "what is a woman". Totally and utterly stupid. I think the 'trans' community have done themselves a lot of harm. Their actions have removed the "live and let live" ethos, forcing people to take sides and the vast majority will not want grown men entering the ladies toilets/restrooms/safe houses etc. This current ideology reminds me of the children's story "The Emperor's New Clothes". It is both harmful and demeaning. I wonder what would happen if "men trans to women" were refused medical treatment for their prostrates and "trans women to men" were refused treatment for their wombs. Oh, that wouldn't happen they want to both keep and eat their cake.
Great respectful discussion, very informative.
Refreshing common sense discussion. Also read Douglas Murray’s book The Madness of Crowds which is equally illuminating.
@Yvonne Schoenrock the voice of common sense and balance don’t you think?
@Yvonne Schoenrock same here 👍 also his book 'strange death of Europe'
@Yvonne Schoenrock Except for Mr. Murray's bizarrely held notion that reverting back to Christianity is some sort of solution.
@Yvonne Schoenrock It might not be as prominently apparent here as in his other appearances. He engages in precisely the soft bigotry of low expectations he so abhors when he waffles on about people "needing something to fill the gap". First of all by even foisting the presumption of such a need on a population at all and second, if such a need exists, why can't it, instead of by pathetically stupid infantile myth, be fulfilled by the marvels of nature and reality as science discovers, describes and explains it ever more brilliantly?
@@twntwrs your arrogance is surpassed only by your ignorance. Science and religion are not opposed to one another, despite the fundamentalist atheists trying to frame it that way.
We now need to be told a man is a man. Think about that!
Gives me migraines.
Absolutely Refreshing! Thank you
Thank you Kathleen for standing up around this issue- so very brave!
Kathleen, I can't thank you enough for your courage in standing up to this nonsense. The distinction between sex (biological) and gender (one's identity) is critical, and affects peoples everyday life. A young friend on mine is transgender (female but lives as male). No problem for anyone, we all refer to him as "he". He was starting out on a career and acquired a job he loved. Unfortunately he feinted at work and medics had to unbutton his shirt, and his situation was revealed. He was sacked because he had "lied" on his application form. The form had asked for his gender, so he was perfectly truthful, but what they meant to ask was his sex! Communication becomes impossible if words are hijacked to mean something completely different to one section of society.
And it is so sad that universities, once so good at teaching young people critical thinking and debating skills are becoming reduced to woke indoctrination centres. But that is another issue.
How was she truthful by stating her 'gender' as male or man? She's neither, she's just a masculine woman who has had a double mastectomy. My grandmother had to have a double mastectomy and a hysterectomy for cancer treatment - did she suddenly stop being a woman?
@@apebass2215 You are missing my point, and jumping to conclusions. "She" has has had no surgury and she is not especially masculine or butch in appearance. She has breasts, but not pronounced under clothing. She would acknowledge that she is of the female sex, but she feels that she should have been born a man and lives her life as male. The term "gender", at least as far as the sources I have consulted, refers to one's self identity; the way in which we want to present ourselves to the world. But some people want to use the word as meaning the same as biological sex. For most people it will not matter. But for transgender people it is a critical difference. She is female sex but male gender.
Everyday life can be very difficult for people in this situation. They deserve our respect and love, in the widest sense of the word. They have every right to be treated like anyone else and be able to lead fulfilling and happy lives. I believe that those who want to make big issues out of this, whether they are people who are of different sex/gender or same sex/gender are a minority and their forcing their ideology on the rest of us needs to be resisted. That is why I applaud Kathleen's stance.
@@tonyprynne3945 if she acknowledges she was born female how can she possibly think she should have been born a man? Not wanting to be a woman doesn't make her a man, neither does having a flat chest. She can't live her life as male, she's female. She has no idea what it is like to be a man. She can pretend to be a man if that's what she wants to do, but it's impossible for her to live her life as an adult human male.
She is not 'male gender', she is an adult human female, a woman.
We don't define men and women based on concepts of masculinity or femininity, men are adult human males and women are adult human females.
Respect is earned, not demanded. I feel no need to respect a sexist ideology that believes men and women are 'identities' to co-opt and wear like costumes.
@@apebass2215 what does "living your life as a male" actually mean, pray?
@@catspeakegroove it means being born male and existing. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
Do trans men see a gynecologist? Do they have Pap smears? Do trans women have to worry about prostate issues or erectile dysfunction? I am totally confused. As to non binaries using they and them are they suffering from multiple personality disorder?
Well yes transwomen have to worry about prostate issues and transmen see a gynecologist what's so difficult to understand here
@@Alicegab300 It’s not hard to understand that they are completely medicalized for life with infinite complications and difficulties… But let’s not mention that.
@@j_freed they dont have to be..
@ok ok no trans people do not ignore the biological definition of sex or else they wouldnt call themselves trans. Indentifying as trans means your gender is the opposite of your biological sex.
@Alana Davis for the most part, they aren’t claiming their gender is changing. They’re saying their gender is different from their biological sex.
Thank you for this talk. I look forward to sourcing your book.
Love this......I found it extremely interesting. Thanks.