Audi S4 Avant vs BMW 335d Touring: Head-To-Head Battle!
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- Hello guys, and welcome back to Car Obsession! A few weeks back I had the new Audi S4 Avant, and considering good friend of the channel PocketRockets owns a BMW 335d Touring - a rival - he thought he'd come down and show me why his car is better.
So, it's 'my' S4 vs his 335d - which is better? Take a watch of this to find out.
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A pleasure as always to be on Car Obsession, a great day full of banter and good fun! Glad all the camera angles came out superb 👌🏼
I have been wanting the 335d for years but ended up with a Passat BiTDi estate as my dad wagon at the start of this year. This was mainly because they tend to come more loaded when looking at the second hand market. My plan for the 335 was to stage 1 and swap the badge to 320d for added sleeperness :)
You'd be going too quick for anyone to spot that cheeky '320' badge 😂 Thanks for watching
This proper tickled me. I've never considered putting a lesser badge on a car before. What a hilarious idea
316d 😂👌
Lose at least 30bhp by swapping that badge mind.
You've given me an idea pal, cheers... I should Halfords the shit out of it and stick an old 316 badge on 😂
Currently weighing up the B9 Avant, F30 335d and 340i estates... choices!!
Depends on what you will be using the car for, if you crushing motorway miles constantly - F31 335D is the one! But if you're not a fan of diesel and want some noise/character, it would be the 340i but ensure you are prepared to visit petrol stations quite often 👀😂 Thanks for tuning in Jim!
Were you driving the 335d in sport+ with the gear shift in sport? Seems like you were plodding along in comfort at 1750 revs. My 335d certainly provides a ‘kick’.
You got me Anthony 🙈 I only realised I was in Comfort the whole time when we finished filming the BMW driving segment 😂 ... Very observant, self isolation got you on point! 👍🏼 Thanks for watching
PocketRockets awesome mate!
Found this video because I am trying to decide between these two as my next daily driver ! Great video!
Thanks Nick, glad you enjoyed it - thank you for watching!
Thanks Nick! 😊
Good wee comparison.I've had a 68 plate 335d Saloon for a year now.Basic sound system is really poor.You did well to spec the upgraded system.I came from a Golf with Dynaudio so it just hurts even more!.Bought it as an ex demo so i didn't have much choice.Only extras were rear view camera and the folding mirrors.
It's very good in a straight line, but i didn't expect anything else than a bit rolly polly in the bends.Still it's not too bad.
I'm getting about 41mpg with mine.Not to bad considering the performance.Sounds good too!.
Only fly in the ointment is the £475 a year VED.Brutal!.
Hello Francis, thanks for watching, and thanks for commenting 👍
I already experienced the Harman Kardon system in quite a few BMW's before purchasing so made it a no brainer to go for it 👍 There is plenty of aftermarket solutions available to help you out the audio quality! The rolly polly effect is evident I agree, especially when alongside the S4 but again a few products to help out! Thanks for watching Francis!
Mk7 Golf Dynaudio is a thing of beauty. Beats the F30 HK system in every way.
Still deciding on which one but the audi interior is just stunning
You are very talented mate absolutely smashing it 💪🏻
Flattery will get you...everywhere 😅Thank you very much mate, I really appreciate that.
Car Obsession it’s just straight facts mate I just love how professional you’re videos look 👍🏻 looking forward to see the EP3 face off and hopefully catch up with you soon bud 🎥
@@officialpetrolheadtv 🙌
Well, currently driving a 335d with stage1... love it. 380hp 730nm ... 6,9l fuel
A remap is on the cards for ours! 👌🏼
I got the 330D and love it, but I do have a gripe about the driving position.With the seat up high (for visibility), the steering wheel is too low even at highest adjustment.Maybe it's just me.
@@ThePostie501 The driving position isn't too bad considering the vehicle type; I'd say if it was a Hot Hatchback that would make more sense although Audi managed to make it a lot lower with the additional controls to adjust 👍🏼Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
What a great couple of educated, knowledgeable and articulate guys. Great channel and great humorous review.
Thanks Paul! I appreciate the kind words, not sure that applies to Aaron though 😛
Hi Paul, have you commented on the right video? 🤔😅I have many words for Chris and the ones you used certainly don't feature....
@@CarObsession 🤣🤣🤣👍🏼
I never thought I'd enjoy watching a stat 1v1 this much. Good stuff.
As an added note, I think that top speed as a stat is pointless due to current laws (except in Germany).
Yeah, the Top Trumps segment lasted longer than I was hoping, but I kept it full length as I enjoyed the banter, plus it would have made no sense if bits were cut out. Thanks for watching!
@@CarObsession I think that it might be an interesting format on its own, with a catchy name to it. Something like Stat Race.
You're welcome. Keep up the good work.
If only we was in Mexico 😂Thanks for the kind words and tuning in!
Pointless? Don't know about that, there are some great autobahn drives on you tube, good to know what to search up.
Hi chaps....I really enjoyed this comparison video! Great to see you highlight the basic differences that will actually make a difference to real world ownership. I have to pull you up one thing though guys! You were reading out the stats for the 3 series 335d saloon and not the touring!? Touring is 4.9 0-60... Anyway, I would certainly take the 335d over the S4 any day. However, I think the real winner (money no object) would be the new M340d Touring. Nice!!
Ah...Chris will need to answer for that one LOL. Thanks for watching.
.1 of a second off, you got me 😂... It will soon be faster once it's mapped anyway, thanks for watching 👍🏼
Excellent work by both of you. Great video.
Thanks David, thanks for watching!
Thanks lad! 👍🏼
You need to run it again with the 335 in the correct mode. Mine gives a real kick up the rear in sport+. Cracking car. 335d every day over the S4
Yes Amanda, a school boy error on my part! 🐵 Would love the opportunity again, thanks for watching!
The BMW body roll means you spec'ed it with SE static suspension. You should have spec'ed it with static msport suspension or adaptive dampers. I have an F10 535d with static msport suspension and it was zero body roll although it is bigger and heavier...
For a second I was going to say petrol vs diesel but then I remembered haha
😂Thanks for watching pal.
Car Obsession not even seen it yet but I've put it on my watch later list so I can watch it when I get time
Looking at a 335d touring myself. Found out recently that the xdrive cars M-Sport all have standard suspension, not M-sport suspension. This is a plus for me and will certainly improve comfort and refinement.
It does make them ride a bit high though, look at the arch gap on the BMW
I’ve got a 435d so probably some weight differences although same engine etc. Stick it at 70mph on cruise and over a 27 mile commute I get 60mpg easily & you’re only getting 45mpg? Stick it up to 80-85mph and then I get more like 45mpg.
Not sure how it's possible you're getting 60mpg but good on ya pal 👍🏼 Wish I was getting that! 🤣🙈
PocketRockets no idea either, just eco pro and stick it on cruise. Tend to get around 50-55 most of the time in normal motorway traffic 75-ish. Maybe I’m just lucky 😂 🤷🏻♂️
@@a20axf Oh, I never stick it in Eco Pro either Comfort or Sport Plus, although the only times I do put the car in Eco Pro is in 50mph average speed zones 🤣 Thanks for watching pal, all the best!
B at least! I can see how these were made for autobahn high speed cruising. Need a spring and damper change as the xdrive models are a bit too floaty but at least xDelete gives me rwd fun 👌🏻
Maybe you guys should try a real world 0-60 time , oftentimes it's different than what the manufacturer claims.
We were hoping to, but Chris' Dragy wasn't working 👎🏽
My bad! I will be filming a real world 0-60 of the F31 335D soon though, providing a before and after test when it eventually gets a remap 👍
Love both cars🥰 i would go for the audi. But the bmw is my second favorite. What a nice review guys 👌thanks.
i got the new s6, but i love the 550d to. 🧐😄 grtz from the netherlands
Hi Abc D, thanks for watching, and thanks for the feedback 👍
Must be tough to live with a 100 km/h speed limit then...
Thanks for watching Abc D, it was a tough review for myself being the owner of the 335d but in the real world where 'value for money' becomes more evident, you can't fault the BMW even when Audi provide a more luxury & slightly improved driver's feel! Hopefully myself and Aaron can get the new 340D & S4 again to see how much difference there really is 👀All the best!
Are you guys from chichester? Using the roads around Goodwood. Pop into Forster Racing School
Hi Leo, no - I'm based in Worthing, and Chris is based in Essex. Thanks for watching.
The 335d is best experienced with AS, without it does not drive quite the same, I have a 2018 M-Sport shadow edition with AS and it handles fantastic on 19' Alloys, just understand you'll get early 30MPG at best if driven in Sport regularly and mid to late 30's in Comfort mode.
Hi Joel, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment 👍🏽.
Haven't tried one with AS so can't comment but I know the 18" make a big difference on ride quality - I get early to mid 40's in Comfort mode
Thanks for watching and commenting Joel!
Base prices aside a 335d with decent miles and a good spec is around 20K, with a stage 1 map make and some suspension mods. For the money would run rings around the S4. Unfortunately the interior isnt that easy to improve.
What if you got a stage 1 for the S4, though?.... 😈💪Thanks for watching.
It's pretty easy. I put a android head unit and a 6WB virtual cockpit in mine. Makes a bid difference to the interior. I also coded the ambient lighting to make it brighter.
Why they audi is slower if it has more HP and mote NM? 200kg?
Yup, it's a lot heavier.
Audi fed it way too many Bratwursts 😂
330d vs 335d?
The X Drive has standard suspension and not the M Sport suspension.
Hello monz87, thanks for watching. Chris knows the car better than I do, so I'll leave him to answer that one.
Yes & no, the M Sport variants use a different suspension setup compared to lower trim models
@@PocketRockets the springs are SE springs on any xdrive. Easily solved with springs but adaptive shocks are only marginally better so its better to replace both
@@Simmsited236 Interesting, I suppose BMW don't actually state the car has M Sport suspension; I plan to change up the springs at some point 👍🏼 Thanks for watching Chris!
@@Simmsited236 completely agree. I fitted bilstein dampers and eibech springs on mine. The difference is night and day.
Put the 340i estate against this VW and see what happens. Petrol v petrol
These two cars aren’t even comparable. This new facelift S4 is direct competitor to the M340i (G20). You could use the “lesser” M340D and it would completely destroy the S4.
Hi there, thanks for watching. The S4 is a diesel, though, so I wouldn't class it as a direct competitor for a petrol powered 3 Series. The new version of the 335D hasn't been released yet, which is one of the main reasons it did not feature in this video.
Exactly why and what for SYV if we have them great estates cars...
Hi, I do not understand your comment.
Think it was a big mistake not having adaptive dampers on the 335, in sport mine has all the rigidity you could ask for.... body roll doesn’t enter the equation! I had to sacrifice the heated wheel and the harmonn kardon though 😢
To be honest, the more time goes on I do wish we opted for the adaptive suspension; only because we are yet to get lowering springs bolted on 🙈 You're definitely missing out on the heated wheel in the winter, thanks for watching!
@B Yeah I can take or leave the electric memory seats 💺
Get the bilstein dampers with eibech springs. The difference in the corners is huge.
Il stick with the BMW
👆🏼 He knows ...
I’ve just got a new S4 Avant, replacing my F31 330d. Interior is 100000x better than the F chassis and even the G chassis 3 series.
Despite all the car reviews suggesting otherwise 🤣 sure
I do agree with you Jem, but bear in mind the price difference from the S4 to the 3 Series so it's something consider for people on a tighter budget! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 👍
Economy alone wins it with the 335d. Real world performance and economy trumps the Audi
Hi Amanda, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
Great video! Just out of interest why didn’t you stage race the cars? Is it because there are no suitable roads near you to do it or has the Audi press Uk put a curfew on the terms of use of the car? Amazing content regardless! Just would have loved a race between the two!
Hi Andy, thanks for watching, but what do you mean by "stage race"?
Car Obsession drag race, sorry autocorrect 😅
@@andyhong8080 It's difficult to find somewhere you can do that legally, or for a price that's not expensive. I try and keep things as legit on my channel as I can, so illegal street racing is something I'd want to avoid.
I love the Audi s4, but the lower price of the BMW335D speaks louder. At least for me. Bouth cars are dope.
Hey Robert, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment!
Why not the new BMW ?
Because it's not out yet mate. Thanks for watching 👍🏽
Whats the best?
318d pack M touring automatic 2017
or
A4 Avant S line s tronic?
Thanks
That's a broad question, and difficult to answer, unless you offer more parameters on what you look for in a car.
BMW, that cheese grater on the S4!
😂Could be worse, it could have the grille of the new 4 Series 😱
Being an audi driver the most annoying thing is the gearbox delay when accelerating.
Yeah I had that in the RSQ3 I tested recently... Thanks for watching.
@@CarObsession keep the content coming and I'll keep watching. 👍
Yes Andrew I agree too, recently had the S5 and the gearbox was very dimwitted at times! Thanks for watching 👍
@@PocketRockets you'd think audi would sort the mapping out themselves instead of us paying about £400 for the privilege.
I thought 0-62 mph was 4.9 for the 335d estate...
It's either 4.8 - 4.9 seconds; not miles apart in all honesty; I did however film a 0-60 test with the 335d and completely blew those figures out the park 🙌 Thanks for watching
@@PocketRockets what are the real 0-60 times? I have a 335d saloon.
@@davejones8811 As per in my video on my channel I was doing 4.6s 0-60, you can head over and check it out 👍🏼 Thanks for watching Dave!
@@davejones8811 I got 4.3 with stage 1 map and stage 3 xhp gearbox map
Compare the s4 with the new m340d touring
We would have tried to, but that car was not available at the time - thanks for watching.
You CANNOT increase the Audi’s top speed to 174 mph.Not available from the factory as an option.
Hello Scott, yes, that's my mistake, you can with the S6, so I must have got mixed up as the S4 has the same engine. Thanks for watching.
@@CarObsession you cannot increase the max speed on any of the tdi 347 bhp engines to 174 mph.it was never available as an option..on launch cars or available to order.I have one !
It's available as an option for the S6 on Audi's configurator - it's part of the Dynamic Pack is it not?
Edit: I take that back; after a fair amount of research (annoying that Audi don't list it on their website) the Dynamic Pack for the S6 seems to include Adaptive Air Suspension, the Sport Differential, Dynamic All Wheel Steering and TPMS. Apologies for the confusion.
I wish Australia have 335d
Very surprised they don't, strange! Thanks for watching Jimmy 👍🏼
Feck blue
Bmw is more classy ❤
The forced 'banter' is painful to watch...
The concept of the video is good though.
Both of you in the car was natural and enjoyable but it was pretty tough to watch the top trumps bit.
And why would you buy a diesel as a 2nd car and daily a Peugeot??
Weird.
Hi Cock of Donny, thanks for watching. The banter isn't forced in any shape or form, and I'm disappointed it's been viewed that way. Chris and I are very good friends and this was not a video we scripted as we wanted to keep it as natural and organic as possible.
Forced banter? The BMW is my daily, the Peugeot is a run about to go shopping and small errands to avoid dents, not really weird; although this is a guy who knows how to have a proper laugh when he goes out! Thanks for watching and surviving the pain! 💪🏼 #HaveADayOff
@@PocketRockets
Generally people who say they're a laugh tend not to be...
Watch it again objectively and say that it doesn't look forced.
You say it doesn't look it which is fair enough, maybe it's the edit.
Eitherway, as I say. In the cars is great material.
I know you'll think I'm a prick and will be dismissive of anything I'm saying but I've no reason to lie. I just thought I'd give you feedback.
All the best boys.
This is not a like for like comparison...you are testing the previous generation BMW against the new S4.The current most powerful diesel BMW 3 series estate is the 330 D X drive M Sport Plus edition at circa £50000 ..on the road which would be almost identical to the Audi and that BMW only has 265 HP against the Audi’s 347.And the Co2 rating is 165 gms for the BMW..I guess it would be higher still with a more powerful version.
Hi Scott, I'm fully aware it's not a like-for-like comparison, I even said that in the video (around 13:48 in to the video). Thanks for watching.
Who said it was a 'like for like' test? I'm sorry I don't own a G21 335d (should of spoke to BMW to get one of their pre-production vehicles seeing as the production version didn't exist at the time of recording) as said politely to the others below, if you wish to chip in to replace my car, I'm happy to accept! Thanks for watching
Bmw 0-60 4.8
Audi 0-62 4.9 that means audi wins tho
A wise man once told me... if you want Luxuary buy a Mercedes, if you want performance buy a BMW, if you cant tell the difference, buy an Audi.
Not a bad summary, I like it! Thanks for watching Kyle 👍 P.S. Was the wise man Jesus? 😂
@@PocketRockets Lol...no unfortunately not. The wise man was a former test driver and instructor at silverstone. Not that you need telling this fact by anyone...its pretty obvious..😎👍🏾
BMW faster and way better fuel economy.... easy win for the BMW
I wouldn't say it's an easy win, the Audi has noticeably more torque and there's barely in it when it comes to the 0-62 times. The BMW is defintely better in some aspects, but I wouldn't say it's an EASY win. Thanks for watching Rodney.
@@CarObsession I am not saying the Audi is a bad car, no way, and I had my choice of both and easily would enjoy an Audi. I chose the BMW as it essentially does all the Audi does at way less cost. I will say this though I drove mine from Oxford to north of Moscow and back (Germany Poland Estonia out and Finland, Sweden, Denmark back) and if you do more than 8 hours in the saddle at 6ft 4 you start to struggle in the BMW. My biggest day was 16 hours and man alive that was not comfortable. Audi great car but fuel economy makes it a no brainer to me. I do not know of any car that offers the all round package the BMW 335d does.
Rodney knows! I think fuel economy (without actually testing) you can just base it on the BMW being a lighter car 👍🏼Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
@@PocketRockets even with the same weight the Audi needs more fuel. Easy physics v6 vs i6.
Audi interior nicer. Bmw gearbox better more consistent. Audi timing chains are useless. Known weak spots at as little as 60k.
Hi there, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment 👍🏽.
Really really enjoyed this but a fairer comparison would be the S4 vs the new M340d! look forward to you doing that in the future :) The interior on the S4 blows that F31 interior out the water at present! Not even in the same league!
The 340D isn't out yet mate 👍🏽. Thanks for watching.
Car Obsession nope but when it is 😉
I'd be quite happy for someone to buy me the new G21 340d if anyone is offering 🤣
2008
I'd have the BMW as it doesn't have HIDEOUS fake exhausts
Fair play, at least the S4's fake exhausts aren't QUITE as bad the S6's - thanks for watching!
Car Obsession 😢
MY GUY! 🤙🏼
its a diesel... so sounds like a barge at the front with active exhaust at the back!
Audi S4 firing Bmw 335d
Isnt that bmw the old 335d?
Yes Mike, I stated that fact in the video.
@@CarObsession and i did not get to that point as i saw your vids contained mostly new cars ;) so excuse me 🤔 Car Obsession ;)
@@mikemayers9353 The new model wasn't even out when I filmed this video.
Audi S4 is a V8? Not the new ones i don't think
I didn't say it was a V8???
@@CarObsession I didn't get your sarcasm when you said "we are not in a diesel, we are in a V8"
@@justinzhou Probably because I didn't say it 🤣
audi is king
Hi there, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
Audis shit
BMW is still far superior than that Audi!
In what way? That's a bold claim to make with nothing to add. I'm not saying you're wrong, but to say it's FAR superior is ballsy. Thanks for watching.
@@CarObsession BMW is the all round real drivers car with 60% rear wheel bias. Audi just boring imo.
@@alanjohnston3648 Have you driven the Audi?
@@CarObsession yes and drove an R8 V10 Plus would rather have an M5 or E63S
@@alanjohnston3648 Fair enough Alan, I can't really dispute that then. Sorry if it felt like I challenged you, it's just I've had people say a car is better than the other when they haven't driven both, so how can they come to that conclusion?
Thanks for watching and thanks for responding to my messages 👍🏽Have a good day.
Alloys on the 335d are atrocious
Fair enough Nat, you're entitled to your opinion. Thanks for watching 👍🏽.
Well to me seeing as it's my car, they are just fine 👍
Oh my GOD........... AUDI isn't quattro any more it's haldex!! FFS, same as bmw!
I fear you may be overreacting.
A chipped 335d just rips and S4 to pieces. And the straight 6 motor is superior.
Hi Greg, thanks for watching, and thanks for commenting.
just chip the s4 and it would kill the bmw
I'll be doing a 0-60 comparison very soon on a stock 335d to a Stage 1 map! 💪🏼
Already done a superchips convert won the 335d. Just steps the torque curve up 120 nm all over. Phenomenal tarmac ripping result. 👍👏👏
Sensless comment. Same applies if the s4 is chipped.
Most awkward interaction iv seen
Fair enough, you've got every right to your opinion - thanks for watching.
Fake cars. Originals come with the steering wheel on the left side.
🤣
This is a very sad and pathetic review. Learnt nothing at all from these plonkers. Waste of time.
Hello P HH, thanks for watching, and thank you for your feedback. I'm not sure how you can say how you learnt nothing at all, though. We spoke about the specification of both cars, boot space, interior, and how they drive. What would you have wanted from this video?
A very sad and pathetic comment, learnt nothing interesting from your feedback! Don't smash your keyboard too hard, you might break it 🙈 Thanks for watching
this was dead boring
Hi Harry, thanks for watching and thanks for the feedback - you can't please everyone.
Super boring, poor attempt.
Fair enough, you can't please everyone! Thanks for watching.
BMW está por encima de Audi.bnw power