Saitama's Debunk and Accurate Scaling

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Komentáře • 569

  • @MEDLER_77
    @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +10

    Causality is defined as relation between cause n affect in simple word if there is a cause there is an effect. So causality is a universal rule the play significant role in universe, saitama completely break the law that breaks the laws of space time plus he was like outside the universal causality as he was changing his timeline with another timeline.

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +3

      💀🙏 you do realize the reversal of causality is also a thing
      Causality DOES NOT CORRELATE TO SPACE-TIME 💀🙏 Saitama never broke this law he just went back in time and the cause got reversed 💀🙏 there is reason why it was said it's completely unavoidable as it even affected Saitama since he got fused back with his past self 😭🙏
      He wasn't lmfao if he was then why did he fused back with his past self that's just a blatant contradiction right there lol 😂

    • @MEDLER_77
      @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +9

      @@RedEditz7 he throw a punch that effected before caused meaning he broke the rules of causality

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +2

      @@MEDLER_77 No.. he caused a reversal of causality not broke the rules of causality 😭 where are you coming up with these stuff bro?
      Also i'm still waiting for you on cord

    • @MEDLER_77
      @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +6

      @@RedEditz7 I am in cord, it was literally stated he landed a punch beforw thrown

    • @OyinkansolaAgboola
      @OyinkansolaAgboola Před 29 dny +3

      ​@@MEDLER_77Well he did landed a punch before it was thrown, he time travelled to the past.

  • @SoTired-se1fl
    @SoTired-se1fl Před 23 dny +9

    Reversal of causality is absolutely unavoidable because it's absolutely unavoidable lol. Meaning you cannot Dodge it, sense it, nor can see it in the future, you have to have causality manipulation, immunity in order to dodge it.

    • @elquekas2798
      @elquekas2798 Před 15 dny +1

      too bad saitama forgot how to do it

    • @OyinkansolaAgboola
      @OyinkansolaAgboola Před 5 dny

      And that punch is not an automatic win against anybody since it is still based on Saitama's strength. Even if you go back and read the chapter, he punched garou that was much weaker than the one he faced on Jupiter's moon

    • @SoTired-se1fl
      @SoTired-se1fl Před 18 hodinami

      @@elquekas2798 it doesn't matter they still brought it up and try to debunk how it works.

    • @SoTired-se1fl
      @SoTired-se1fl Před 18 hodinami

      @@OyinkansolaAgboola so what he can use any of my strength he wants

    • @elquekas2798
      @elquekas2798 Před 17 hodinami

      @@SoTired-se1fl what???

  • @SoloVR553
    @SoloVR553 Před 28 dny +8

    I have not watched the vid yet, but I will say that a lot of people are saying Saitama is star level or solar system level because of the Boros fight, but Saitama's "strongest" punch probably destroyed many many galaxies, and keep to count that according to the graph when I did my math Saitama seemed to have grown 4 times as strong as when he did the first serious punch, so he is probably at least multi galaxy level at his peak from the Garou fight, but since he grows continuously, we really don't know when he will stop.
    Just watched some of the vid, and lord Boros on my life, one Boros never had rivaling abilities to Saitama because it's stated by Boros himself that he didn't even faze Saitama. Two if you buy the original copy from One himself, the text that says he took damage is not there, like I would trust the original copy more than one that has been changed. Three, Saitama never used any of his "true" power in the Boros fight yes, he used a serious punch, but you can see just by the damage from the punch that Saitama was not even close to the strength in the Garou fight. Finally, while Saitama did say that this is almost a real fight, I believe that he is happy that he can punch someone without them just exploding.
    So, let's say Saitama and Garou destroyed 10000 galaxies, this was saw by the Hubble telescope in a similar size as the whole in space, but this is completely different levels of power than 10000 galaxies, let me explain. So, the universe has trillions if not quadrillions of galaxies and stuff, you're telling me that that entire hole in space is just that amount, there are so many stars and galaxies that all that space is filled so a hole in space with nothing else seen in that hole, that must mean there's an actual hole in the universe shown by a real-life hole in the universe with nothing in it.
    ..... BRO, HE SAID SOLAR SYSTEM LEVEL, anyway Saitama is so fast he can make hundreds of after images before Garou even gets up in the sky, which means while he creating these after images, Saitama is also up behind Garou ready to punch him without looking deformed at all, Saitama is casually massively faster than light. 1.5 times stronger....do you not know what limitless means? If I was limitless in power, I'm not going to just get 1.5 times stronger, I am going to get strong enough to defeat my opponent. Now before anyone says that blast only said the punch could destroy the Earth, Blast is stupid ok:/ Bro has no clue who Saitama is. Bro how was Garou close in strength to Saitama at the end of the fight Garou hit him with all he had, and Saitama never even bled and then his fist got caught by Saitama like it was nothing, then just blew up Jupiter for fun zees with a SNEEZE. Bro, the gas held together by Jupiter is held together by 2.5 times the chemical bond than Earth which means that bro had to rip apart earth 18 times, times 2.5 with the chemical bond which means Saitama with a sneeze blew up earth 45 times.
    Lord Im done

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 Před 23 dny +1

      Where the hell did you get the idea that Saitama destroyed many galaxies, do you have proof of that?

    • @SuperKamiGuruu
      @SuperKamiGuruu Před 22 dny

      ​@@yeikelamores6085read chapter 167 to 168 ffs

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 Před 22 dny +1

      @@SuperKamiGuruu dñ Nothing there destroyed galaxies, much less lots of galaxies, stars at most.

    • @Rinn_Ckhristian
      @Rinn_Ckhristian Před 19 dny +1

      @@yeikelamores6085 galaxies looks like stars if it's far away (you can see oval shaped stars in that panel)

    • @teslakun6867
      @teslakun6867 Před 4 dny

      @@yeikelamores6085 you must be one of those downies who downplay everything, they literally created a void in space, and that space there were once all those star systems and galaxies beyond it
      but because of their fight, it is now an empty space. Did your smooth brain comprehend that simple statement or do I have to spoonfeed you everything?

  • @ninjagamereditzz77
    @ninjagamereditzz77 Před 28 dny +12

    OPM has a Multiverse, a type 3 Multiverse to be specific. MWI is basically a Multiverse where there are Infinite(and higher) amount of worlds and more are created when the Observer(Saitama) makes a decision or takes an action. The place where all these worlds rest is an Infinite-Dimensional Space most commonly a Hilbert Space, this easily scales the OPM Multiverse to High 1-B!
    Saitama who Transcends Space and Time and is able to exist and destroy non spatial/physical places also scales to High 1-B(or above)!
    OPM god scales to/above it via being confirmed by One himself to be the creator of the Cosmology and the manga also implying this so High 1-B OPM god and Saitama!
    For EV, Causality is cause and effect in Space-time and even Space-time(in our real world) has to obey the law of Causality. Empty Void was outside of it in a Higher Dimension as Blast already confirmed as well as it being confirmed to be Hyperspace which if u don't know means "Higher Space" and any number of Dimensions higher than our familiar 3 +1. So that'd make Empty Void a 5-Dimensional entity!
    Now for Speed, being outside of Causality means ur outside of the linear flow of time intertwined with space bc as I already explained they're bounded by the law of Causality where a cause = an effect in a linear manner. Empty Void being outside of it means he's Beyond Linear Time therefore breaking the Speed Formula. It can also be argued Inaccessible Speed bc the "Outside" would have no Time as I already explained above. Additionally, his Dimension Slash ignores size and distance to the point where it's non existence which entails Transcendence of Distance which qualifies for Irrelevant Speed. To build on, bc it's outside the law of Causality, Speed would be Irrelevant bc the attack would just affect without a cause. Eg: If I punch u(cause), u get hurt(effect) but since it's outside the law of Causality it would be this, u get hurt(effect), I didn't punch u(cause). It's basically Reverse Causality and additional Causality Manipulation to the users will. So if X character had Infinite Speed, they'd still get affected(hurt) w/o EV punching them(cause). If they ran an Infinite distance away from EV, they'd still get affected(hurt) w/o EV having to punch them(cause). That's how irrelevant Distance as a concept is and the whole of Speed!!
    Empty Void =
    AP/Dura = High Multiversal+ lvl aka 5-DIMENSIONAL
    Speed = Immeasurable to Irreverent
    Hax = Causality Transcendence/Manipulation

    • @Monkes23
      @Monkes23 Před 28 dny +4

      I feel like irrelevant is a little to much, immeasurable seems fine with your scaling though.

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +4

      @@ninjagamereditzz77 Irrelevant? No.
      Immeasurable? Yes.

    • @ninjagamereditzz77
      @ninjagamereditzz77 Před 28 dny +5

      @@Monkes23 Yeah lol I kinda agree with u but the Irrelevant Speed is just speculation yk and thx for reading through my scale

    • @ninjagamereditzz77
      @ninjagamereditzz77 Před 28 dny +3

      @@Brosie_Osie Alr bet understood

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +3

      @ninjagamereditzz77 I also think inaccessible speed is the lowest interpretation

  • @Scalerlord
    @Scalerlord Před 26 dny +6

    Terrible downplay

  • @atg0977
    @atg0977 Před 26 dny +8

    7:25 bro thinks Causality is a simple rule, being above Causality, means, being beyond concept of, strength, speed, durability, and every other concept as they all cone under Causality, bro is too dumb to be taken seriously, even anti particles which saitama created are 4d

    • @silentlyanonymous306
      @silentlyanonymous306 Před 26 dny

      he dumbass, he also conceded when debating against n-sedits lmao, he got clapped so hard.
      dude is dumb af

    • @amongtheman6340
      @amongtheman6340 Před 16 dny

      This concept is bounded by dimensionality.
      A 4D being might not be affected by time travel that causes a reversal of causality because he can perceive and interact with time in ways that 3D beings cannot. An enhanced temporal perception and control could allow a character to navigate or insulate himself from such changes, maintaining his own continuity despite alterations in the temporal sequence.
      In short ,If you can perceive events across time as if they were spatial dimensions, you might foresee the punch coming and adjust your position accordingly to evade it.

    • @atg0977
      @atg0977 Před 16 dny

      @@amongtheman6340 Your point

    • @amongtheman6340
      @amongtheman6340 Před 16 dny

      @@atg0977 wym? my point was that being above a "reverse of causality" doesn't mean you're automatically beyond the concept of strength, speed, durability, and every other concept, unless you're talking about a 3d being.
      You can be 4d and still have limits that prevent you to be above every of the previous concepts.
      So you will be above time causality but not above every other concepts

    • @atg0977
      @atg0977 Před 16 dny +2

      @@amongtheman6340 bruh I'm not talking about chapter 168 time travel, I'm talking about chapter 201 Empty void can go beyond the Causality of universe

  • @xaviersstepdad7250
    @xaviersstepdad7250 Před 28 dny +5

    You literally said anos lose to goku .
    Biased af😂😂

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 28 dny +2

      He does 💀🙏 Anos at Max IS Hight Hyperversal at best

    • @xaviersstepdad7250
      @xaviersstepdad7250 Před 28 dny +3

      ​@@RedEditz7And goku is complex multiversal at best wdym💀

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 27 dny +1

      ​@@xaviersstepdad7250lmfao Goku scale way higher than that 😂

    • @xaviersstepdad7250
      @xaviersstepdad7250 Před 27 dny

      @@RedEditz7 so you are saying Goku>12d ?
      Nah gokutards need a reality check.

    • @silentlyanonymous306
      @silentlyanonymous306 Před 26 dny

      ​@@RedEditz7This dude is dumdum af, Anos will smack Goku without even trying. You probably think Goku is outversal or something then dies in vacuum of space? When did you see Anos struggle against someone who uses portals just b*tch slap him and got saved by his lover Vegeta against merge Zamasu? How about against someone who wished to become strongest then lost to his clone? Not to mention his AP is questionable after destroying a fkin boulder? Anos killed God of time and change the twins fate🤷‍♂️ When did Goku did that? He even barely won against someone who can skip time😴 Ohh can Goku revive dead🤷‍♂️ Can Goku flip a fckin palace with one finger? You said his base form can destroy a universe right? How come he couldn't easily lift a possibly 32,000 pounds in Whis training? And Anos was flippin and spinning a palace with one finger?

  • @Josephcantor-v5p
    @Josephcantor-v5p Před 28 dny +3

    This is a total rage bait for sure. A lot of appeals to definition there bro

  • @MEDLER_77
    @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +10

    1. Saitama never gone all out that was a mistranslation n debunked by josh (josh > main db8 comm)
    2. The inf strength scan is reliable mf, jus bcz they were growing does not mean they have limit tht would mean they were reaching higher lvls of infinities.
    3. Never scale again

    • @Samurai_Capcut
      @Samurai_Capcut Před 29 dny +5

      That was not a mistranslation you are clearly using appeal to authority.
      And number 2 yes it is reliable because he clearly was getting stronger so that indicates that he was showing infinite potential during the fight so again you are completely wrong.
      Verdict: don't open your damn mouth again.

    • @n-sedit4133
      @n-sedit4133 Před 29 dny +7

      ​​@@Samurai_Capcut
      1. Idk
      2. Saitama has infinite strength and infinite or transfinite potential at the same time,
      3. We can debate this on cord

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +2

      @@n-sedit4133
      1. Saying "idk" you already concede to that point
      2. No he doesn't have infinite strength if he had the points aka finite jumps wouldn't make any sense even Garou supports this on how Saitama's next punch is stronger 💀🙏 then the previous one WHEN Saitama was going all out
      3. Yea sure why not

    • @n-sedit4133
      @n-sedit4133 Před 29 dny

      @@RedEditz7 1. I never argued the point even u dumb@ss, you are saying I conceded to non existent point,
      2. Doesn't debunk anything and follows non sequitur
      3. Check my community post lol

    • @ClayFS
      @ClayFS Před 29 dny +2

      josh who???

  • @chibuezeokorie1749
    @chibuezeokorie1749 Před 29 dny +3

    Idk man after the latest chapter the characters name EV scaled up the OPM verse, and now everybody saying saitama is complex multiverse because yhan that dude (even though he haven't fought EV yet)

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny

      yea that got debunked we only have to wait for the next chapter

    • @chibuezeokorie1749
      @chibuezeokorie1749 Před 29 dny +2

      Fair enough

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +6

      ​@@RedEditz7 do the debunk then, dont bring thw "outside the universe" thingy as i already said thats false, to be outside of a universe causality which itself is seen to be linked to spacetime and or even above it is making him above infinite amounts of 4 dimensional worlds/universes

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +6

      @@realmadduck2464 His debunk was absolute garbage it's gotta be the worst I've seen to date 💀😭😭😭

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +4

      @@Brosie_Osie do we even call this a debunk?

  • @talhayaman4658
    @talhayaman4658 Před 28 dny +7

    what? lmao saitama and garou scales to this punch.
    reasonings : 1- saying the energy is squared because of the name is name fallacy + doesn't make sense considering if any S class or people on that lvl happens to do a punch clash, boom.
    2. saitama and garou survived inside the center of the serious punch ^ 2 with no visible damage, and then saitama being able to damage garou. then garou copying saitama again.
    3. garou destroyed blast's portals that were able to hold serious punch ^ 2 for a while.
    gamma ray burst itself is at least large star lvl. tanks it easily.
    infinite strength scan is not talking about potential, those parts aren't even related. (not saying saitama has infinite strength, an easy answer would be that it changed and it's not usable)
    vr simulation : even if we say it only takes casual saitama. it means casual saitama after a day can one shot that casual saitama. if we say the simulation has an upper limit so it couldn't scale saitama, doesn't make sense considering it would make both saitama equal.
    saitama is always growing

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 28 dny +3

      No they don't dumb@$$ and stop yapping nonsense which never even happend
      GRB that Garou used on earth is at best Planetary anythnig above is a wank tho if your implying Garou and the end then that's a whole different story bcz then GRB is SOlar system level due to they're growth
      it's literally talking about growth WHY TF DO YOU RET@ARDS DISMISS MOST OF THE SH!T??
      vr simulation : head canon at best you'll have to PROVE that nonsense bcz that's not how storing data works it literally stores the data of Saitama who previously fought in a simualtion NOT SAITAMA AS WHOLE
      no he doesn't the fact the manga directly debunks this is hilarious

    • @talhayaman4658
      @talhayaman4658 Před 28 dny +8

      ​@@RedEditz7 anything above is a wank? why, because you said it?
      did i even say something that didn't happened?
      narrator explains it. we know garou can do it as well. saying it's planetary refuses what gamma ray burst is.
      saying it's planetary based on nothing is nonsense. gamma ray burst is an explosion that occurs at the end of the life of an massive star. and you say it's planetary because you felt like it? literally refusing garou's abilities and physics.
      also they scale to serious punch^2 anyway. even this proves that garou can use gamma ray burst at that lvl.
      vr simulation stored the data of casual saitama of yesterday. then it stored the data of casual saitama of today.
      saitama is always growing. heck manga literally says "saitama is always growing, everyone just didn't notice it"

    • @talhayaman4658
      @talhayaman4658 Před 27 dny +6

      ​@@RedEditz7 waiting for your answer
      "anything above is a wank? why, because you said it?
      did i even say something that didn't happened?
      narrator explains it. we know garou can do it as well. saying it's planetary refuses what gamma ray burst is.
      saying it's planetary based on nothing is nonsense. gamma ray burst is an explosion that occurs at the end of the life of an massive star. and you say it's planetary because you felt like it? literally refusing garou's abilities and physics.
      also they scale to serious punch^2 anyway. even this proves that garou can use gamma ray burst at that lvl.
      vr simulation stored the data of casual saitama of yesterday. then it stored the data of casual saitama of today.
      saitama is always growing. heck manga literally says 'saitama is always growing, everyone just didn't notice it'"

    • @Scalerlord
      @Scalerlord Před 26 dny +5

      Just because you said its wank doesnt mean anything.The author clearly said it was powerful as real neutron star. It did not destroy earth because of energy control similar to ki control​@@RedEditz7

    • @Jimbo_nill
      @Jimbo_nill Před 26 dny +1

      @@Scalerlordno it didn’t destroy earth because it wasn’t point at earth it was point at saitama who wasn’t facing earth at the time but I think it did kill everyone without a radiation resistance on the plant which is like 99.999 percent of earth

  • @RADIANT42069
    @RADIANT42069 Před 29 dny +7

    We can debate on this debunk

  • @MEDLER_77
    @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +13

    Don't ever do inverse opm scaling ever💀🙏 "that doesn’t scale to them" the energy output was from the clash plus saitama n garou survived their own attack like nothing implying their dura scale equals or above to the attack since, AP= Dura so ye tht does scale to them

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +2

      1. That's a squared punch 💀🙏 Square ² is not addition + it's multiplication × the number multiplies by itself for example the punch was not 5 + 5 but rather 5 × 5 literally showing that there was a multiplication in btw 💀🙏
      2. THEY NEVER SURVIVED THAT PUNCH THEY DIDN'T EVEN TANKED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE LMFAO stop making these head canons
      3. We can run this on the cord if you want

    • @MEDLER_77
      @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +7

      @@RedEditz7 u add cord or join Aashus server we can db8 abt it lmfao

    • @SuperKamiGuruu
      @SuperKamiGuruu Před 28 dny +8

      ​@@RedEditz7🤡🤡🤡

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +6

      @@RedEditz7 it's multiplied due to the energy coming from 2 individuals? LMAO saitama and garou? You can't scale bud

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 28 dny +1

      @@Brosie_Osie so you just basically contradicted yo self AND ADMIITED THAT THE ENERGY WAS FRIKIN MULTIPLIED
      ok
      if i don't can't scale why tf don't you scale and shit the fact you already lost to you're own Shit is hilarious

  • @ivanrosas7844
    @ivanrosas7844 Před 28 dny +15

    Since he said they didnt destroy stars I stop taking seriously

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 28 dny +3

      And then I said you can argue they did 😑 idk why you ppl take stuff to seriously like does Saitama gives you his D or something to munch on for it??

    • @SoTired-se1fl
      @SoTired-se1fl Před 23 dny +7

      ​You do realize after they clashed, Both Blast and his *Galactus Team* redirect the *SERIOUS PUNCH²* energy and next panel you see a *onomatopoeia* which says *"BOOM"* next to the big black hole right? It's telling us that there was an explosion indicating stars and galaxies were destroyed.

    • @SuperKamiGuruu
      @SuperKamiGuruu Před 22 dny

      ​@@SoTired-se1fl these retard self proclaim debunkers are retarded. Can't read or comprehend worth a damn🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @FIRE_TIGER777
      @FIRE_TIGER777 Před 15 dny +1

      ​@@SoTired-se1flexplosions can also push stiff you know

    • @Th4t_Awkward1YTXx
      @Th4t_Awkward1YTXx Před 15 dny +1

      But can he beat Goku? 🤓

  • @zhisg
    @zhisg Před 29 dny +3

    W

  • @Hugi.Y
    @Hugi.Y Před 29 dny +1

    🔥

  • @yumajayy
    @yumajayy Před 29 dny +1

    🤔 can someone tell me who the strongest person without limits is cuz we all know saitama limit ryt its solar system lvl or galaxy lvl im i tripping here

    • @SoTired-se1fl
      @SoTired-se1fl Před 23 dny +2

      Saitama have no limits at all that's the whole point of the chapter called *"Limiter".* It explain that the limiter is a *"theoretical barrier that restricts the growth of a living being"* and that Saitama *"force opened his limits and demolish his limiter"* therefore he has no limits to himself physically and mentally. Which is why he's able to ignore the laws of physics, for example travel back in time, break the laws of causality itself, and transcendent time, space and casualty itself. He's not limited to any scaling

  • @megaaverse8331
    @megaaverse8331 Před 27 dny +2

    Thank you. Someone else who understands what power scaling is. Good video. Subbed

  • @ShadmanRaquib
    @ShadmanRaquib Před 29 dny +5

    Kinda wish you added about empty void. But yea good video

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +1

      i wanted to but considering he hasn't shown the full extent of his power and on top of that his current power is very controversial so i didn't add him

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +1

      ​​@@RedEditz7name it, we can use the fact that "its out side the universe" but he himself saw all possibilities which is infinite as they use "each possibilities" for each possibilities to happen than there must be infinite amounts, he was outside that, causality itself is in all universes as its linked to spacetime and some believe that its even above it not affected by spacetime making what empty void did 5d

    • @silentlyanonymous306
      @silentlyanonymous306 Před 28 dny +3

      @@realmadduck2464 he's not trying because he is biased and want to make sense lmao

    • @SoTired-se1fl
      @SoTired-se1fl Před 23 dny +2

      If you don't mind please do explain how this is a good video?

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 23 dny +2

      @@SoTired-se1fl that question can't be answered because it's not a good video

  • @Steven_178
    @Steven_178 Před 29 dny +1

    Great video but the only thing i don't agree with is the serious punch² scaling cause you're just scaling it from it's name and saying its squared, like for example the viz translation names it differently calling it serious punches but its fine you can use it if you want, i personally scale it to multi- solar system since its 2 full powered saitama's and i just half the feat between the two 😂.

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 28 dny +2

      Viz translations are sometimes not accurate also the fact the squared is implied in the original Japanese raw version so Viz translations is irrelevant

    • @coffin_sinu6869
      @coffin_sinu6869 Před 25 dny

      ​@@RedEditz7 yeah viz translation are not correct all the time so we should consider viz translation only when it has statements to downplay the verse like hyperspace to subspace.
      Moreover we should take the name of the attack seriously but apply NLF logic to gamma ray burst or downplay it to planetary level although the narrator explained GRB to be the known strongest natural event in the universe.

  • @thelincmat6483
    @thelincmat6483 Před 29 dny +3

    Nice vid, btw you should've shown the scan of Garou saying his attacks are in 3D only lol

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +3

      LOL i can't believe i forgot about that one

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +4

      He didn't say his attacks are 3D he only said he was attacking IN 3 dimensions. He was referring to the universe. Which is 3D.
      Even so I don't even think that's the official translation

    • @talhayaman4658
      @talhayaman4658 Před 28 dny +2

      @@Brosie_Osie garou is saying he's attacking from everywhere there. it's not about dimensional scaling.

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +5

      @talhayaman4658 Exaclty but he's trying to limit him to 3D just for that reasoning. It's stupid

  • @realmadduck2464
    @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +1

    1.75x to 2x for the fact that garou stats one of those punch is going to kill him, meaning saitama growth aint slighty bigger its a lot more than that lf cosmic garou the same one COPYING saitama each punch says one of those punch would kill him
    Edit: saitama tanked his own attack without a scratch
    Edit: those fights were also in micro seconds for the fact that saitama speed was calc at millions of times faster than light to a minimum of thousands of times faster than light
    Edit: your ass didn't even use exponential growth which the graph you showed literally HIGHLIGHTS
    Edit: lets do some real feats, garou monster form not four arms was moving 10,000th of a second, garou than got at least 10 times stronger in cosmic form low balled copy saitama and at least got 5 times more powerful so the entire fight of saitama vs Garou is at least 10,000th of a second low balled, the entire fight took place in less than a hundredth of a second easily meaning saitama went from planetary to muti-solar system in less than a second, we use exponential growth, he grows every milliseconds and even microsecond of that fight so if we say the fight started .0000 and the fight lasted for 1/100 of a a second we would end up with him going from planetary to multi solar system with the equation starting as 2.487x10^32 x 1.8^100 for the 1 millisecond lf the fight started from .0000

    • @monocleman9082
      @monocleman9082 Před 28 dny +1

      bro's comment rebunked it better than the vid debunked saitama lmao

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +1

      ​@@monocleman9082 he also said causality doesn't make you 4d or 5d, let's just fix his mistake real quick, many agree causality is linked to spacetime and some even say it's not affected by space time for something to not be affected by space time it must be above it making it 5d, causality is linked to spacetime making it 4d, I mean simple knowledge

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +1

      ​@@monocleman9082we can also use the graph itself to see that no matter what number you use to square the growth is so big because it's exponential that it doesn't matter as such just making the growth bigger and just a few would be bigger than any kind of squared it would just over power it in an instant I'll use the 1.8 most use for exponential growth of saitama as in just 100 milliseconds of continuous growth he is able to surpass any kind of squared, a 100 milliseconds in .0000 would be .1 so 10th of a second and he grows more powerful than any kind of squared if you use the same numbers

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +1

      ​@@monocleman9082we can actually use newtons own law, an equal action has an equal opposite reaction to scale Garou and saitama durability to serious punch squared

    • @realmadduck2464
      @realmadduck2464 Před 28 dny +1

      @@monocleman9082 my spelling ain't so good because I'm on mobile and I'm taking care of my little sis as well but I'll try to fix em, tell me if you have questions to why this video is utter bull crap

  • @yoriichi.473
    @yoriichi.473 Před 28 dny

    W video bro, can you make vid about how strong is vegeta

  • @silentlyanonymous306
    @silentlyanonymous306 Před 29 dny +3

    Akira Toriyama did not personally write the content in the "Daizenshuu" guidebooks, he was involved in the process and had knowledge of their contents. Toriyama's role in the Daizenshuu books was more supervisory, where he provided information, approved the content, and was involved in the creation of the guidebooks. The editorial team and staff at Shueisha, along with Caramel Mama, compiled the detailed information presented in the guidebooks based on the material available from the Dragon Ball series. Toriyama's name appears on the covers as the author due to his exclusive originality rights over Dragon Ball, even though he was not the primary writer.
    his direct involvement in the actual writing process was limited🤷‍♂️
    inaccuracies, contradictions, and exaggerations in the Daizenshuu guidebooks. The content in these guidebooks, at times, did not align perfectly with the original source material or statements made by the series' creator, Akira Toriyama. This has led to skepticism about the reliability of certain details presented in the guidebooks.
    It's essential to approach information from the Daizenshuu guidebooks with a critical eye, considering that while they offer valuable insights and additional details about the Dragon Ball series, they may not always be entirely consistent with the main canon established by the manga or the creator's intentions.
    It's easy to debunk your sources and turn the scale upside down. I can put Goku at planetary or even solar level with just some common sense, mate.

    • @silentlyanonymous306
      @silentlyanonymous306 Před 29 dny

      the OPM guidbooks was written and produced by ONE himself, the most reliable source you'll ever get compared to daizenshuu who was wrote by different wankers🤷‍♂️
      keep lying till the end buddy

    • @amongtheman6340
      @amongtheman6340 Před 23 dny +1

      You're referring to some Goku outerversal meta, but it's pointless. You don't need any Daizenshuu to scale a DB character higher than Saitama. You don't even need to read the manga; just watch the anime and read the episode descriptions on the official DB site. There are a ton of statements and many of them portray DB characters fighting battles beyond time and space, like Goku Black.
      Also, approving something means the author thinks it can fit into the story, making it canon. If they portrayed Goku as a crackhead who enjoys hurting people, Toriyama wouldn't have approved it.

    • @FZresetYT
      @FZresetYT Před 23 dny +1

      Goku can't be scaled lower than low multiversal, is you do so it is objectively wrong

    • @KingoftheLions-z87
      @KingoftheLions-z87 Před 18 dny

      @@amongtheman6340 thank you for explaining this

    • @silentlyanonymous306
      @silentlyanonymous306 Před 16 dny

      @@amongtheman6340 Manga is the original source material, and there are lots of fillers in the anime that weren't even included in the manga🤷‍♂️
      Approving something without checking if it's consistent will just misguide people.
      And nope, people fighting beyond space and time, my ass; he was using a time ring buddy🤷‍♂️

  • @Kennyjaku-__-
    @Kennyjaku-__- Před 29 dny +1

    Came here from udbs

  • @MEDLER_77
    @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +1

    That's not "1.5×" it was "7.5" as this is a one shot multiplier, after each punches saitama deliverd garou was one shoted then garou again copies n saitama agian one shot

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny

      If it was truly a one shot multiplier Saitama's single next punch would've ended the fight right there the fact Garou was relatively strong disproves the one shot increase which the multiplier would be btw 2x to 2.25x not 7.5x 💀🙏

    • @MEDLER_77
      @MEDLER_77 Před 29 dny +1

      @@RedEditz7 nope litreally garou was stating each punch saitama delivered was able to kill him but due to the copy garou survived tht long 💀

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +2

      @@MEDLER_77 No not even just that, we got clarification from saitama himself that he wasn't trying to kill garou.

    • @MEDLER_77
      @MEDLER_77 Před 28 dny +2

      @@Brosie_Osie garou himself stated tht

    • @SuperKamiGuruu
      @SuperKamiGuruu Před 22 dny +1

      ​@@MEDLER_77 he can't read

  • @RedEditz7
    @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +2

    Even tho i said the Video would be done on Tuesday i still Posted it right after completing the video over night which i was awake all night 😭😭 so after that i got hyped and ended up posting it today

    • @JawBreaker4756
      @JawBreaker4756 Před 29 dny +3

      You got hyped for posting a debunk video????

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny

      @@JawBreaker4756 well not really I got hyped because of how stressed I was making the video and couldn't take it anymore so I just said f it I'm going to post it today 😭😭

    • @JawBreaker4756
      @JawBreaker4756 Před 29 dny +3

      @@RedEditz7 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @silentlyanonymous306
      @silentlyanonymous306 Před 29 dny

      ​@@RedEditz7you got hyped up because you're total cornball

  • @CosmicSpider69
    @CosmicSpider69 Před 28 dny +9

    Blud lost horribly 🙏😭

    • @Zen_editz-uo8rh
      @Zen_editz-uo8rh Před 28 dny +2

      What happened

    • @Josephcantor-v5p
      @Josephcantor-v5p Před 28 dny +5

      ​​@@Zen_editz-uo8rh Rededitz was clowned and lost the debate with Ns-Edits easily. Legit conceded everything

    • @Zen_editz-uo8rh
      @Zen_editz-uo8rh Před 28 dny +4

      @@Josephcantor-v5p dam

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 27 dny +4

      we never completed the debate tf is you on? 💀🙏
      We never even went to that main point. The debate was held on the first one in which he claim EV exists in higher dimension so he scales to it which he never proved on how 💀🙏
      COPE all you want lol Saitama Will stay a Solar System level fodder until the new chapters give him new feats

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 27 dny +3

      ​@@Josephcantor-v5pclowned? Keep dreaming that wasn't even a debate that was brainrotting argument both none of us won 💀🙏

  • @player-hz8ec
    @player-hz8ec Před 29 dny +2

    I think he's solar system or galaxy due to destroying stars made by that serious punch squard

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny

      No he doesn't scale to that

    • @player-hz8ec
      @player-hz8ec Před 29 dny +6

      @@RedEditz7 now ur just downplaying at this point.hes with solar to galaxy.

    • @player-hz8ec
      @player-hz8ec Před 29 dny +3

      @@RedEditz7 can u prove that's he's not solar system.

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny

      @@player-hz8ec I'm not and matter a fact I even said in the Video that The Squared is Multi-Galaxy level but again Saitama does not scale to it it's a squared punch it's like saying 5+5 is 25 bcz 5² is 25 you see the problem?

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny

      @@player-hz8ec I never said that he's NOT Solar system level and matter a fact that's the conclusion of this video 😭😭
      You didn't even watched the whole video did you?

  • @tonmoysaikia-pt2nd
    @tonmoysaikia-pt2nd Před 29 dny +2

    Bro's dedication is next level 📈📈📈📈📈

  • @Natty5D
    @Natty5D Před 28 dny +7

    Saitama is ALREADY ABOVE GOD thats confirmed by ONE. Meaning that he already deep inside him he has Power to beat God.
    You cant scale Saitama like you scale other characters since he and God have No Limiter and everyone else does have Limiters. And your scaling is shit Saitama scales by default to the verse and above thus making him 5D Inf Multiversal which is a nerf cuz of the above

    • @HaroonAhmed-gd9zt
      @HaroonAhmed-gd9zt Před 28 dny +1

      Scaling Saitama is hard but the closest guess is multiversel + + with infinite speeds close to goku but more potential and durability (I think)

    • @Potat0913
      @Potat0913 Před 28 dny +1

      Quit scaling dawg 😭🙏

    • @Potat0913
      @Potat0913 Před 28 dny +1

      @@HaroonAhmed-gd9zt 1. Blud does not get past solar system level with mftl+ speed
      2. Even then that's not close to Goku tf ☠️

    • @Natty5D
      @Natty5D Před 28 dny +3

      @@Potat0913I know OPM scaling you dont. Cope

    • @Natty5D
      @Natty5D Před 28 dny

      @@Potat0913 dumbass downplayer you are totally clueless on how OPM works or the settings. Go hide in your DBS cave, cuz saitama and god 1 shot the verse

  • @tlotlegomooki1725
    @tlotlegomooki1725 Před 29 dny +2

    W vid can't wait for the next one fr

  • @lofilover549
    @lofilover549 Před 19 dny +2

    even with this "accurate scale" he still slams the shit out of record of ragnarok

    • @Rinn_Ckhristian
      @Rinn_Ckhristian Před 19 dny

      This ain't accurate

    • @Rinn_Ckhristian
      @Rinn_Ckhristian Před 19 dny +1

      Saitama never got a real fight with Boros and the serious punch² literally Disintegrate hundred thousands of stars possibly even galaxies and Saitama and Garou tanked that destructive energy before got sent out in I.O and the exponential growth literally scale Saitama above universal and did the Reversal of Causality erasing one of the infinite possible parallel worlds (Genos theory about parallel worlds was right and it's confirmed in the latest chapter)
      This video is all about cherry picking information and Bias bullsh*t

    • @lofilover549
      @lofilover549 Před 19 dny +3

      @@Rinn_Ckhristian I know that

    • @Alandosaurus
      @Alandosaurus Před 8 dny

      RoR scales higher lol

    • @Rinn_Ckhristian
      @Rinn_Ckhristian Před 8 dny

      @@Alandosaurus OPM scale higher

  • @ElectronX386
    @ElectronX386 Před 29 dny +3

    type shi

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny

      😭 i did but not the unnecessary parts

  • @ClayFS
    @ClayFS Před 29 dny +1

    Pretty accurate

  • @4nnd711
    @4nnd711 Před 23 dny +6

    so much nonsense in 1 video its astounding

  • @bluex0490
    @bluex0490 Před 29 dny +1

    W 🔥🔥
    The most accurate scaling of Saitama so far

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +1

      @sypher_x_ buddy didn't even watch it. just wen't straight to the comments to glaze. If you did watch it, you'd have enough common sense to know the many mistakes and flaws in this "debunk".

    • @bluex0490
      @bluex0490 Před 24 dny

      @@Brosie_Osie i'm literally the guy who helped him with some scans LMFAO aka his brother

    • @Rinn_Ckhristian
      @Rinn_Ckhristian Před 19 dny

      @@bluex0490 pretty sure this scale ain't accurate and it's even worse than some low-ball videos

  • @Potat0913
    @Potat0913 Před 29 dny +2

    W pooks

  • @rafi_sensei5421
    @rafi_sensei5421 Před 28 dny +1

    W Video. With concrete evidence. 🔥🔥

  • @Rinn_Ckhristian
    @Rinn_Ckhristian Před 19 dny +3

    First of all saitama never got a real fight with boros (go read the manga when saitama was on the moon he said "this is almost a real fight" and saitama taking damage to boros is invalid since it was part of the chapter that got redrawn)
    Serious punch² destroyed countless stars or possibly even galaxies and his exponential growth already scales him way beyond.

    • @user-mg5tp2hc6g
      @user-mg5tp2hc6g Před 19 dny +1

      ik right bro never let this guy cook again💀

    • @Rinn_Ckhristian
      @Rinn_Ckhristian Před 19 dny +2

      @@user-mg5tp2hc6g he's a dragonball fanboy, there's no stopping them from nonsense 🤷‍♂️

    • @user-mg5tp2hc6g
      @user-mg5tp2hc6g Před 18 dny +3

      @@Rinn_Ckhristian true like how powerscaling these days is overhype your favorite anime and debunk other animes and say there not even planetary most overhyped anime is db like these guys are saying gOKus OUteRvAsl aNd caN sOlo 99% FiCtIon

  • @Supersteam09
    @Supersteam09 Před 18 dny

    3:12 nah, I don’t need to watch anymore. Boros didn’t damage Saitama, that was BS translations by people who can’t read Japanese.

    • @Alandosaurus
      @Alandosaurus Před 8 dny

      Okay where?

    • @Supersteam09
      @Supersteam09 Před 8 dny

      @@Alandosaurus I read the manga with the actual translation! Boros was just trash talking and some stupid people confused it as Saitama taking damage.

    • @Alandosaurus
      @Alandosaurus Před 8 dny

      @@Supersteam09 bruh so I asked you to show me where and then you said I should look it up myself? 😭
      Can't you link it or sum

    • @Supersteam09
      @Supersteam09 Před 7 dny

      @@Alandosaurus I mean you can google it. I’d be unable to provide a link as the YTBots have been annoying. You should google “Boros translation error” and you should see a moderate amount of details.

  • @Fubuki1-o
    @Fubuki1-o Před 18 dny +2

    Opm verse is low complex multiversal at the moment Lmao and saitama at the moment is low universal or mid multi galaxy level. typical saitama downplayer (please read opm manga and look at rebunk Saitama feat videos before scaling again😓🧐

    • @DionAnims
      @DionAnims Před 14 dny

      And got debunk again so what your point 😂

    • @Fubuki1-o
      @Fubuki1-o Před 14 dny

      @@DionAnims proof debunk as another exusee big L bozo

    • @DionAnims
      @DionAnims Před 14 dny +1

      @@Fubuki1-o imagine thinking saitama is uni but he only destroy couple of stars with help of garou and blast 😂

    • @Fubuki1-o
      @Fubuki1-o Před 14 dny

      @@DionAnims Imagine not having eyes Lol Your too dumb for me to Explain feats to Anyway 💀🙏😑

    • @Fubuki1-o
      @Fubuki1-o Před 14 dny

      @@DionAnims unless you want me to Explain to your dumbass why Saitama is multi galaxy to low universal level

  • @Arijeet2.0
    @Arijeet2.0 Před 6 dny

    Extremely biased scaling+ wrong explanation about casuality

  • @yumajayy
    @yumajayy Před 29 dny

    u right hes solar system lvl with a limit so whos the strongest in the show 🤔

  • @Cosmic_1nfinity
    @Cosmic_1nfinity Před 9 dny +1

    Cope Saitama solos Dragonball 🥱🥱🥱

  • @Aquinta0
    @Aquinta0 Před 29 dny +2

    The hyperspace hasn’t shown any 5D qualities so anyone saying how Saitama grabbed it doesn’t rlly scale Saitama anywhere just if you didn’t know
    (W vid+scaling this is extremely good)

    • @mrsketchysketch680
      @mrsketchysketch680 Před 29 dny +3

      The Most Dumbest comment I have ever seen, Hyperspace means 4D, What The hell do you mean "No 4D properties"?

    • @Aquinta0
      @Aquinta0 Před 29 dny

      @@mrsketchysketch680 oh shi typo my bad I meant to say 5D

    • @Potat0913
      @Potat0913 Před 29 dny

      @@mrsketchysketch680 nominal fallacy + that's a mistranslation

    • @Brosie_Osie
      @Brosie_Osie Před 28 dny +3

      ​@Potat0913 it was confirmed in the latest chapter+ blast directly called it a space+ empty void confirmed hyperspace+ either translation doesn't matter the gate would be 4D

    • @Potat0913
      @Potat0913 Před 28 dny +1

      @@Brosie_Osie 1. It wasn't
      2. And?
      3. He didn't 😭
      4. Either way THE GATE would be 3d
      5. Quit ducking me son

  • @capedbaldy31
    @capedbaldy31 Před 21 dnem +1

    The most crap and downplayed scale I have seen today 💀

  • @The_Rizzilantes
    @The_Rizzilantes Před 28 dny +1

    so bros still a frieza saga goku victime

    • @nonuser3166
      @nonuser3166 Před 23 dny

      You have to legit be delusional if you believe anything this guy has spouted in this video(and no saitama oneshots).

  • @tonmoysaikia-pt2nd
    @tonmoysaikia-pt2nd Před 29 dny +1

    Namek saga Goku victim 🗿

    • @RedEditz7
      @RedEditz7  Před 29 dny +1

      Literally lmfao

    • @SuperKamiGuruu
      @SuperKamiGuruu Před 28 dny

      In a dbtard's wildest fantasy only

    • @nonuser3166
      @nonuser3166 Před 23 dny +1

      You and this dude are delusional(saitama oneshots btw).

    • @tonmoysaikia-pt2nd
      @tonmoysaikia-pt2nd Před 23 dny +1

      @@nonuser3166 that's Krazy bro but did I ask? 🧐🧐

    • @nonuser3166
      @nonuser3166 Před 23 dny +1

      @@tonmoysaikia-pt2nd Did anyone ask you to comment in the first place? Didn't think so.

  • @mosesmkandawire3032
    @mosesmkandawire3032 Před 22 dny +1

    Amateur power scaler.

  • @Sage-bk4zm
    @Sage-bk4zm Před 29 dny +1

    W