The Truth of Red Bull's Horner Crisis
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In a gripping expose, we unravel the tumultuous saga surrounding Christian Horner, the team principal of Red Bull Racing, amidst allegations of inappropriate behavior. This documentary delves deep into the sequence of events that shook the foundations of Formula 1's stalwart team, from the initial accusations by a female colleague to the independent investigation that captivated the racing world. Featuring key interviews, analysis, and the eventual dismissal of the allegations, we explore the impact on the team, the rifts within, and the sport at large. With exclusive insights into the high-stakes meetings, the role of F1 and FIA, and the future of Red Bull Racing, this film is your definitive guide to one of the most controversial episodes in F1 history.
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I am sure Jos managed all this drama. The guy is dangerous with quite a trail of criminal activities behind him.
As the saying goes. "The devil shits dutchmen" !
Everyone is replaceable. Newey, Horner, Verstappen… but most of all… your barber.
ahahahahaha, I couldn't stop looking at it lol.
Everyone is replaceable. Incorrect if you want to be top 1 you cannot change Horner and Newey, base on "Everyone is replaceable" you risk becoming Alpine
Finally a sensible video about the Red Bull debacle, and no click bait huge ALL CAPS bombastic statements that most F1 channels use, which drives me nuts. Thanks for providing a good take on teh situation and remaining calm!! Cheers
Thanks so much 🙏
Makes my day when Real F1 pundits post videos!
You're literally the best. Keep doing what you do!
Hahaha thanks Jordan!
This is the first video l have seen not using bs thumbnails to get views on this situation, l commend you on your efforts to separate fact from fiction
The suggestion Max is going to Mercedes is also wishful thinking.
Max has watched what happened to Daniel’s career and he will not go to a lesser car.
The other teams also know that Max comes with a very dominant Jos, and most teams don’t want that hassle.
Unless Max supports his team, no other team will want him
Yeah my thinking on this is, surely he waits until 2026 to find out what the situation is with the teams then leaves. Exactly what Vettel did essentially in 2014 for 2015.
There’s no guarantees in F1 and who knows who’ll be fastest in 2026, he should get the championships now 🙏
If Daniel steps up and get points in the V-Carb , beating Yuki, Red Bull management will call Max’s bluff and make him go replacing him with Daniel & Sergio
Most teams don’t want Max? Because of the hastle with his dad….. come on get real. All teams would run around naked to get Max
@@markovasil1608 why Max does not want race 24 races, he want to quit in 2027 and he has no drive to continue on.
His dad is a loose cannon and a complete liability. Why would you bother?
@@dcsyd16Bro stop dreaming. Ricciardo is done. If he still has the RB seat at the end of the season I will be very surprised. He is completely washed
like any successful marriages,
one partner always itching for drama and chaos to end it.
Spot on, mate! 🎯
Really is crazy how the only ones that can bring down Red Bull is Red Bull themselves
Unless my memory has failed me part of the deal of Newey coming to the then fledgling RB was equity in the team. His reputation is tied to the team as is Horner. Helmut will BE retired at some point this year, and Max/Joss will be given the option race or leave....... For mine the powertrain thing is the major issue of success. We all remember what happened to various dominant teams including McLaren and Williams when they lost works engine deals. In the modern era of F1 where the cars need to be as reliable as an interstate truck, the engine performance is critical (just ask Alpine). My tip is Max could leave, but it wont be over Jos's love life and a grudge, it will be because another option presents as a better choice in the new engine regs.
Very mature analysis, well done!
yes well. Dont you shy away from anymore long Reports. That was an excellent report. Excellent.
Please assume that F1 Subscribers can keep focus for more than 3 minutes. 🙂😆
My other channel does 60-90 min documentaries and people watch them the whole way through, I think peoples attention spans are fine, if I can’t keep your attention then my video isn’t good enough 😂
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching 🙏
In the end we'll find out that the woman who's complaining was paid by Mercedes. Whether or not Horner is ultimately found guilty, this is going to distract from racing and damage RBR.
More like a Brown plant...
This woman, whoever she is, allowed this situation to drag on for months. When things didn't work out like she wanted, then she cried foul. This just reeks of foul play and entrapment.
Like what happened to Trevor Bauer of the Los Angeles Dodgers (not sure if you are from the United States or if you also follow baseball).
@@DucatiPaso750I do. Is he coming back to the USA? He was pitching in Japan.
Absolutely right. Keeping all that "Whatsoup" conversations ready when needed. . .
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned !
@@NotSure416 last I heard, he was playing for a Japanese team in California named the Asian Breeze. I think there are a couple of MLB teams interested in him, but he has to demonstrate that he can still pitch at MLB level.
this is so far the best breakdown of the situation
Who was blowing who? We want the facts man!
please jason, not that hairstyle man, please no
Hahaha it’s an interim concept while I wait for a hair upgrade around race 7 😂
Feedback noted though!
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Growing a mohawk??
@@henkormel5610 Haahaa. not trying to! Just looks that way when I've got so little hair...I was going for the Harvey Spector quiff :P
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The wether is starting to warm ip so yesterday I got a buzz cut.
@@henkormel5610 that version is known around here as a "fauxhawk"
The Newey part of the story is just wishful thinking from the media. He doesn't want to live in Italy. He is in a very senior position as CTO at Red Bull Racing and has been given the freedom to do what he wants inside and outside of the comany. This has resulted in things like the Aston Martin Valkyrie and the RB17 that he's currently developing. During the period of Mercedes dominance, when the engine mattered the most, Newey was allowed to spend more time doing his own things and Dan Fallows took up more of the slack withing RBR.
Ferrari could offer him many of the same perks, I just don't think he wants or needs to do that. My feeling is he'll likely stay with Red Bull until he's ready to retire from F1.
Sooo, long story short. Horner's position absent anything incriminating we haven't seen is secure, I expect Newey to stay and unless they get RBPT completely wrong, they will continue to be competitive for a long time to come. Losing Verstappen would be a blow for the team, but I don't agree with Marko on the importance of keeping him around should he not want to be there. They found a replacement for Vettel in Ricciardo and now Verstappen and there is talent like Lawson coming through, not to mention they could secure pretty much any top level driver in F1 if they want to go outside of their academy.
As for Marko, his importance is questionable. Sure he's had a hand in bringing in some of the greatest drivers we've seen in F1. He's also brought in some absolute flops during his time in the sport. I'm pretty sure you could get the same averages tossing a coin.
Yep I agree with all of this, I do think Marko has done some great work, but the infrastructure is there now so him leaving wouldn’t be as big an issue as it was when say one of his key jobs was being the middle man for Dietrich 😅
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A couple of years ago he didn't want to live in Italy. That's true.
He's in the twilight of his career now: perhaps he's changed?
For me instead this is the beginning of the end Red Bull altogether. Ferrari, which has not won for many years, is putting together all the important pieces including the 2026 engine which leave much hope for its decisive moment, and if this happens it will go to Ferrari dominance as it was first RB then Mercedes, RB again and Ferrari will return with vengeance.
@@fintonmainz7845 I don't think he's changed. I'm not convinced he's romantic about the Ferrari team, Italy or in the need of a big pay day.
There were problems and clashes at other teams that made him leave for new pastures. He's been given everything he could ever want as an engineer at Red Bull. He's working on another sports car (RB17), he's working on his own side projects (designing a yacht). The only way he leaves is if the Red Bull team collapses imho.
The cracks began to show when Horner made the right decision to go over Marko's head and signed Sergio Perez, throwing Marko's young driver development into the disarray it is suffering to this day.
The mere fact that
a) FIRST: RB HQ Austria made a HUUUUUUGE fuss about this.
b) SECOND: Horner was utlimately cleared and the woman in question even suspended...
Is indeed: a HUGE power struggle which probaby began at during the funeral of Dietrich himself.
I have NO DOUBTS that Horner 100% did a dirty with Miss XXX.....and probably more than some whatsapps.
In terms of F1; who cares????
50+% of marriages fail so why would Horner be the evil embodied into a human....
All the explaining he has to do is to is wife Gerri.
When the Emperor died the Shoguns jostled for power the same here, the main thing in all this is to remember the car is way more important than the driver in F1, best driver in best car = win....any top tier driver in the best car = win. This has been the case for decades, look at Hamilton in not the best car, clearly he is in the top 3 drivers (I can't stand him btw) but now he is nowhere. Verstappen is way less important than Newey in all this, so if Newey and Horner are BFFs then its a fait accompli for RB. Jos Verstappen and Helmet Marko seem to be absolute arseholes as people and the instigators of this mess in a power grab, using Max as their lever to pull.
Verstappen is a high talent no doubt, but you need to give more credit to the car. Without the latest Honda power he was top 5.
He was winning races with a Renault motor. Let that sink in.
there is no latest honda power, the concepts are frozen, and finetuned and made more reliable.. but essentially its the same engine that was worse than merc and Ferrari in 2021...so honda is still not class of the field. though things are close no doubt.. its the aero efficacy that propels the car to higher speeds than the rest...at the higher speeds for example its much more effective to open the drs than to have 10 more hp... but also accelerating from corners you have to overcome drag.
@@VulgrDisplay Yes, top 5 means wins but not titles.
@@dco1019 Everyone knows there was a step with Honda, and I agree there was a step with the aero. My point is that the car is dominant right now.
The other day I saw a title that said, "verstappen threatens to quit" and when I clicked on the link it was an F1 news site with no artcile and just linked me to multiple other click bait artciles. It's just a hype train thats intended to keep going until the new season on Netflix.
Thanks for a reasonable assessment
You are NOT at All Reporting that Horner with a UK Consortium was looking to be a Shareholder behind the Austria Side Back!!! He went to the Thai Shareholders to BUY Red Bull Advanced Technologies, which would take it away from the Austrian Shareholders!!!
He went to the Thai side after Dietrich died, trying to gain control. As I mentioned in the video. Not before. Also there was reporting that Dietrich wanted to give the Thai side control before he died because he was worried about the Austrians trying to make it more board controlled after his death.
red bull is actually winning all races. why they would change anything? if few trolls are making some noices, then don't feed the trolls. never. ignore them. they can start their own drink company if they don't like the way red bull is managed. Red Bull is not a publicly traded company, so they can litteraly do whatever they want without fearing the consequences. people will still drink their weird beverage, no matter what they say.
From what I’ve heard in the past there was a lot of talk that they wanted Sebastian Vettel to take over for Marco when he retired as Sebastian already has knowledge of the team I don’t know where that ever ended up being left but that was something I’d heard talked about a lot in the past But it seems I’ve gone quiet over the past year and a half. I think of those that have been with Red Bull in the past. Sebastian would be a great fit to take that role especially if Formula 1 is trying to go more environmentally friendly.
Great video, thanks
Thanks KDM!
That's more likely Jos's chest not Horners considering Horner has hairy chest
Hahaha you know, I hadn't considered that but yeah...jesus.
I would like to see Newey and Horner leave for Haas. Take a bottom team to the top? That would show Gmbh.
Excellent report man. Love it.
PS: Fire your barber. I heard Guenther Steiner is available. ( FAAAAAK !) 🤣🤣🤣
Sadly I’m my own barber, bad mistake.
@@WheelSports 🤣
keep it up legend ♥️ quality is through the f**king roof mate. you're so underrated as a channel its insane but i know you could be big in the F1 community if you keep it going.
edit: i remember back when u didnt have hair... or atleast i didn't notice it. either way love the look mate idk how you grew that back but i need your secrets hahaha.
ill always miss those big glasses too but the only person who should actually have any say and affect how you feel about yourself is your your missus. happy wife happy life... id rock a mohawk id my missus wanted me to.
Thanks man, glad I dropped it to one a week, I want to bring the quality up and make great videos, instead of churning, don’t want the money just bloody love F1 so if it doesn’t blow up…who cares!
Haha I used to shave it, because it’s thinning at the top but I’ve been using Minoxidil for 2 months and it’s slowly coming back 😅
It’s kind of funny that Jos is the main person complaining and he has been in court so many times for things like assault. Glass houses and all that.
This is my maiden
Wheel Sports video.
I liked it enough to sub. 💁♂️
Thanks so much!
Also, some (if not all) of Jos Verstappens comments are untrue, via dutch news (Viaplay or another source). Jos on the news channel stated that the controversial comments that others claimed he made are untrue and that he never said it.
I believe that it is inevitable that Horner will be pushed away because of the suspended employee retaliation: a females association of America threatening to boycott Red Bill and U2 making a song about it all… I doubt Red Bull will be happy with this therefore they’ll get rid of Horner.
Who cut your hair; the council?
It was part of a no barber left behind policy.
i miss the "subscribe" at the end
Haha noted 😉
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It's a bit disappointing that we never got to see a photo of his Willy.
I think there are plenty of photo of his jeep online
Why does it matter? Wasn't her behavior inappropriate also? How long did this go on? Does she acknowledge her behavior? When does a relationship become harassment?
Interesting what Jos the dad personally wants out of this, he couldn't run a party in a pub, ego or what,
There has been hints of a bad atmosphere inside of RB since the Webber days, who is responsible for that is not clear. But it's looking like the break up of the current RB team and the end of its domination is definitely possible.
Yeah I think that some clear lines have been drawn, and when that happens it's just inevitable that eventually things will start to go wrong!
No offence, but the responsibility concerning Webber, is very clear. Vettel stole a race from Webber by cheating him after a mutual (and team) agreement not to attack each other at the end of a race, when the status quo is established and "cool-down mode" is activated. It was so disgusting that Vettel's chief engineer commented on radio: "you must have wanted that badly", or words to that effect which showed his utter disappointment with Vettel's actions. Malaysian GP 2013.
@@0448mickeyI agree and I apologize for my opaque post. I was meant to point out the general atmosphere within the team.
Jason "regardless" Hassett
“Seems like” or “end of the day” also 😂
I read the entire Horner data dump and this is a total nothingburger.
More "If's" and speculations .... same old
Right let’s get this right if he as nothing wrong why is he offering £700.000 ???for nothing
More or less agreeing but a few remarks. Js Verstappen does not operate independent. He is part of team Verstappen that consists of Max, Jos and Raymond Vermeulen. The Porsche deal was far fetchet anyway. To do that Red Bull eventually had became a Ferrari or an Alpine who is a little further down that path. An OEM that controlls the raceteam. Porsche wanted only to partner up with a top team and gain a controlling stake. Good for Porsche but bad for the Red Bull Racing empire. This was if I'm recalling correctly shot down before Dietrich Mateschitz pased away.
Before Mateschitz passed away he alledgedly (F1 insider, Ralf Bach) granted the Thai a controlling stake at the racing programme. He hadn't faith in his European succesors and with good reason.
Horner is an ambitious man who would really like to race again with his own team. 20 years ago he set that dream apart to lead Red Bull in name off the energy drinks company. With Mintzlaff more controling and the Thay a majority stake he saw his oppertunity with backing of the Thai.
Marko stood up for the legacy of his passed away friend and so they drifted apart. Marko is not the leader of the junior programme anymore. This function fell to Rocquelin the former race engineer of Vettel. Mintzlaff had no use for the guard dog of Mateschitz anymore so he was to be pried out of the F1 enviroment. This is where Max Verstappen stepped in. On his watch Marko stays. This gave a clear message to the Thai and Mintzlaff and restored the powerbalance inside the team.
Newey is not on the pay roll of Red Bull but his private compamy workes free lane for Red Bull and other companies.
Great info, I wasn't aware of Dietrich giving the Thai side the controlling stake part!
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Alegedly, don't forget. It is from F1 insider a German outlet deep in Mercedes teritory.
Yeah that's fair. If true, it's an interesting piece though!@@henkormel5610
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Germans and Ostrians are speaking the same language. This makes interviewing more natural. As for the South America remarks of Marko he ment Latin America and it is just stereotyping. Germans drink Beer and eat Bratwurst and the girls walk around in Deerndls where their breasts almost fall out. French drink wine, eat stick bread and invented chauvinsm. Dutch walk on cloughs, everyone is high all the time and the whole county is a red lght district. Not to mention the windmills and tulips.
Marko is well aware of the great drivers out of South America. Reutemann was one of them, from presumebly German decent. Then we have Senna, Piquet (also canceled in acusations of racism) Fittipaldi. Sorry I get mad sometimes.
@@henkormel5610 It is AUSTRIANS and Dirndls dude.
Finally, the truth! 😅
The truth: Feck all has actually been confirmed but a lot has been rumoured. The skill is stretching that into a 23 min video :P
nothing like relative first hand.. it either is or its hear say!
Yeah sorry about that I meant “relatively secure about the source” and it was only in the edit where I noticed, figured people would understand what I meant 😊
Someone alleged something,
Investigation findings did not support allegations,
Allegations dismissed.
Why is that so hard to understand?????????????????????
Leave Horner alone. Now.
Yeah hopefully the video illustrates that 🙏
I wanted to cover what happened more because the whole thing has now given the two sides a reason to go to war over control of Red Bull racing, which is not going to be good for the team :)
In the framework of a society that cares about these allegations it is far from over. I can't care less but that means nothing obviously.
Because that's not the full story. that's like a fraction of the current story. at this rate we won't get confirmations for months.
Despite these allegations, nobody i talk to likes Horner, in fact he's generally hated. Why is this?
I have actually always wondered this lol.
Jealousy is a terrible thing my friend. It has very little to do with things personally especially at the top
To little focus is put on the abusive past of Joss verstappen who is apparently in relationship with this women ?
Mako is a snake you find that with rich old people
How about that Saudi Arabia race 🙌🏻 whoop whoop let’s keep it going team Red Bull 🐂
Red bull have 2 teams, they can go one for Porsche and one for Ford....
Honestly Helmut needs to go lol. And the Christian had an affair..... sorry but people been having affairs with coworkers for 70 years. Its not shocking nor is it a termination level offense.
Only 70years??
Red Bull, get rid of Horner, hire Binotto #BringBackBinotto
Whoever the CEO/Team leader is, he needs Newey not Verstappen or Marko.
If the investigation was fair and Horner is innocent of the allegations then Jos Verstappen needs to be banned from RB if not F1 and Marko should go. Max wouldn't have covered himself with glory either
Yeah, in F1 the technical team > than the driver at the end of the day. Although like I said, certainly don't think any other driver at the moment would be as dominant in the car.
As for the investigation, until one of these key staff members goes, I don't think we'll get the full story of what happened.
Marko has ALWAYS been on the Austria Side!!! It’s a Joke that you actually don’t get that!!!! 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ It’s Horner who has Stabbed the very people who hired him in the Back!!!
He was always on Dietrich's side, not the "Austrian side" because the Austrian side is only a thing since 2022, and he sided with Horner and Newey on Porsche.
Pics are fakes that's definitely a finger and that's not his chest trust me 🤷 the messages also look off
Red Bull can win without Horner too. It was never discussed. Hence British bias.
There's "something" I find extremely difficult to understand in the saga. What culminates as "an independent investigator"?
Some "charitable barrister", paid from a Charitable loot or Aunty Mavis' loot, after her death. The supposedly "independent investigator" was paid by Red Bull, which to me, wasn't and couldn't be "an independent investigator". Come oonn, People, we are to think that Red Bull pays millions to that Barrister and the Barrister comes with the report, to soothe us all, that "Horney" was caught with his hand in "a big booty jar"? We have a record of "Horney", sticking his hand in Gerri's jar before, whilst his wife was 6 months pregnant. Simply put, it's one huuugge MESS! Let's see how SEX, the 3-letter word, drowns "mighty a man", shall we. 🤔🤔🤔
It was an independent investigation done by a King's Counsel (KC) in the UK. In that sense they were an external counsel, who could be stricken if they are found not to be unbiased.
Now they likely would've been paid by Red Bull GMbH, but that kind of goes against what you're saying because Red Bull GMbH wanted Horner removed, so why would they pay the KC to keep Horner.
Basically the issue with this is, that if he made a biased move on either side, an appeal or lawsuit there after would be too easy. Let alone that if the barrister was paid for his decision, then how did Horner "win"?
I get people don't like Horner, and that's fine, but in a logical legal sense, the idea the KC was paid off just wouldn't make sense.
Buy a hat an f1 hat any thing its not becoming at all.
Come it’s not Verstappen it’s the car give Lewis that car and you would see something even better than Verstappen
Interesting...
This whole thing was expected when rich and powerful leaders with no real values in life get together and have a power struggle.
Entertaining though.
Hahaha I love that summary!
@@WheelSports it is though right? It's like 2 toddlers fighting over a toy
More or less yep!@@stevePDx
May I give you the advice to illuminate your eyes a little better? You make the impression that you want to hide something. Do you need that?
You so called wannabes should stop speculating, only people that know anything are those involved.
Click baiters after viewers.
My man, put that microphone closer to your mouth! Audio levels are farrrrr to low.
Thanks for the feedback! Noted!
Another channel, and again bla, bla, bla and no real FACTS.
All of the facts in this were shown, that’s the point, too much BS online, no facts.
weak af
I’m glad we’re not relying on you for journalism.