HEATED DEBATE: Penuel Vs Josh on Andrew Tate, Cult Leaders & Kanye West
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- In this week’s episode of the Wide Awake Podcast, I had a chat with Penuel Lungelo Mlotshwa, also known as God Penuel. During this episode we talked about Penuel’s journey of self discovery, his pursuit of knowledge and identity, how he made and lost millions of his own and other people’s money, being reborn as a God and starting his own “religion” which he calls a Cult.
We also had a heated debate about Antisemitism, Andrew Tate, Kanye West, how Cult leaders use their influence to manipulate their followers and much more!
Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
1:47 - Podcast Goals & Dream Guests
5:07 - Penuel’s Background
11:11 - Screen Time & Elon Musk’s Neuralink
13:30 - How Penuel Made & Lost Millions
18:25 - Is Penuel A Scammer?
23:19 - Penuel On Starting His Own Religion (Penuelism)
28:23 - Penuelism Principles
31:19 - Penuel Thinks He Is A God
35:51 - Penuel Is A Cult Leader / Andrew Tate, Kanye West & Antisemitism Debate
51:42 - Reacting To Penuel’s Video On Weapons / Kanye & Antisemitism Debate
1:15:00 - Debate Gets Heated
1:26:12 - Censorship On Social Media
1:29:24 - Final Thoughts - Zábava
I hope you enjoy the episode! :)
I so badly want to watch this but I can’t. Andrew Tate triggers me so much the first and only time I ever watched anything about him I literally had an anxiety attack with severe heart palpitations. As soon as I saw Penuel was going to be part of this discussion….I took my anti anxiety meds and made peace with skipping a Josh podcast☹️ But I love love looooove ♥️you Josh and can’t wait for your next upload hopefully with no patriarchal misogynistic shitheads like Andr….I actually can’t say or type his name for the second time😅 and anyone who shares his views.
Thanks Josh, it was great. Nicely balanced
Keep it up Bru 😊
Brilliant episode, a clear train of thought without any bias and both of you have stated your opinions clearly, whether one agrees or disagrees, the essence of freedom of speech. Keep up the good work, please invite Penuel again in future.
Wild
The editing at the beginning is siiiiiick!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Very passionate episode, and already people getting touched in the comments! 😂
Thank you Josh 🙏🏽❤️
People have a right to feel touched. If you don't like it, don't do interviews. Or is that the reason for doing them? If it is, it's stupid.
False/Half-Truth:
The definition of religion is not organized "belief systems."
Collins dictionary defines religion as thus
1. a. belief in a divine or superhuman power or powers to be obeyed and worshiped as the creator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe.
Josh is actually more correct in saying that religion denotes following something that there's no proof of. Religion is thus a synonym of faith.
The truth is that the English language has many definitions for religion, as is the case with words such as 'politics'. The English language is also evolving and therefore open to re-evaluation.
None of the principles Penuel is citing as organised belief systems /his religious principles can be proven as true without first leaning on one's faculty of faith to validate their utility to human-kind. even their application is vague and cannot be elevated to a point where they can be considered religion by his own definition. One needs a great deal of faith to folllow Panuel and his delusions of grandeur. Calling yourself God, being a man is actually abominable and blasphemous.
There is a God who created all things, including the laws of morality and logic which we all find in existence when we arre born. That you have no knowledge of all English definitions as you claim you do is proof that you are not God, therefore no man in their right minds should follow you. As a God Panuel lacks the following characteristics - omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence.
Penuel must also stop comparing himself with Jesus Christ/Yeshua, his story is completely different to His. To all Christians, especially ones new to the faith, I implore you to seek truth for yourself and not rely on cult-leaders to do it for you. No religion is as practical and consistent as that founded by Jesus before time began, there will always be characters who will try to convince you of their flawed beliefs don't buckle.
Dear Pen, Papa Pen. do you think Bester had a God / Cult leader character that is why he had so many helping in his escape?
I like the way you think
Penuel I think you've mastered stoicism
I envy Penuel, the skill of removing emotions from an argument even if you're being attacked and still be intelligently matured enough to articulate his points across 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Josh you tried and I admire your willingness to engage in good faith, not hard to tell you're a good person and I'm thankful you acknowledged the bias
I envy his ability too. He can remove himself so much from the subject that be removes logical reasoning as well, including consistency. Take the hypocritical stance he took on cult leaders not being held accountable for their followers actions for instance, yet just 2 weeks ago he said Julius Malema must be held accountable for any racial crime against boers because he sang a chant.
He is very good and people think he is a lunatic but for me he is intentional.
South Africans are stupid if they're following a cult leader. Are you guys nuts?
5 minutes into the video I already feel like he's trying to intemedate the host
Loved this. Very rich conversation and a lot to think about. Thank you 🙏🏽
First time watching @wideawakepodcast and what a great conversation. I think if as people we were to sit and have honest conversations with each other without being bias. But rather be more empathetic to one another's story and point of view, the world would be a better place to live in.
In the beginning, I got the impression that the host had an agenda that they were trying to put across, but Penuel handled it like a G and was very clear and concise in refuting his misconceptions. Interesting conversation gents thanks!
Excellent podcast! You are probing, informed, opinionated, diplomatic yet remain likeable throughout. A very rare amalgamation of traits. Wish you nothing but success
Every time I tune in, it keeps getting better.
Great conversation gents really loved it.
Always the most interesting podcast discussions!
Great Podcast! It's a perfect example of what the world and especially South Africa needs!
We need to talk and listen to understand! Love this keep going guys!
Breaking free from the screen is harder than one might think it to be.
@@snokelpops haha
Just like this episode- The world would be a better place if people would just talk. Nothing a simple conversation cant fix 💪🏽❤️ keep it up Josh
Especially brothers
Lack of Humility is a factor. Too much knowledge can misdirect you❤✌
I said it bro❤
I think you have stepped up. I think this guy challenged you to your max and you stepped up. I am proper impressed with how you have grown into a legitimate podcaster. Well done, it’s been incredible to watch your growth.
This is what the world needs, conversations and respectfully disagreeing where needed.
Great interview, enjoyed it throughout
This is gonna be a smashing episode 🔥🔥💪🏾
Most underrated podcast in the country the conversations are too real, great episode gents!'
Thank you Josh! Great interview and relevant questions.
We are One with God there’s no separation! Religion was designed to separate us 🙏🏾
Good discussion gentlemen. Respectful Dialogue is imperative, and I sincerely believe you guys held it down. As humans we will have cognitive dissonance, but these are the conversations and scrutinising of ideas/beliefs that will shape a better tomorrow for us all.
Tons of Narcissistic characteristics on full display from the get go. Very intelligent and educated. Very dangerous combination.
anyone who can't understand basic finances and can't see how offering 40% returns doesn't work isn't intelligent but an absolute clown.
❤Enjoyed you both Thank You! Best Wishes
Great conversation gents.
We truly learn and grow in conversations, gain knowledge and get insight from each other. I’m listening to both your your views and enjoyed the episode
Thanks Josh 4 inviting BP - first time I hear about u - big fan of BP & 5llowing him wherever he gets invited ,- great podcast - can't wait 4 part 2.... ✌🏾🙌🏽✌🏾
I agree with you Peneul. Great talk. South Africans are very conservative and brainwashed. Not many will understand you. You are very inspiring and I'm here for it. ❤
20:56
"I received three lawyers from letters"
~Penuel - 2023
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😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
@@godpenuel😂😂😂😂😂
😀😀😀😀
Penual & Josh
You need to team up together, and let’s try fix this country where black, white, Indian, coloured & any other good human beings can work together for the future. And be the best in the world!
We can’t be stuck in the past, we are here now!!
He's definitely eccentric but I have respect for his attempting to understand the view points of different South Africans. Definitely a smart guy brave enough to share his opinion.
Cant wait for round 2
Thanks!
First ever interview where penuel is asked about his book..most interviewers just pass that part.. very great interview and first time watching Josh..loved it.
One thing that I take away from this sit down is that context is everything and Pen articulates it really well and so calmly 👌🏽 great conversation Gentlemen
excited to watch this episode
Imagine the Zulu culture with Nuclear weapons 😂😅...Hysterical 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Singaphihlizwa amakhanda😂😂😂
😂😂Zingakhala straight. Weee njengase maTexini
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Brilliant conversation, I had to subscribe right away, hopefully you get a chance to sit with Malema, Zuma and your fastest man on earth💯
Excellent Podcast Gents!
Very very good conversation
Great POD.
this episode is the one, mate
I love how Pan changes Interviews to a conversation.
Classic psychopathy. 1. Didn’t see anything wrong with creating a Ponzi scheme
2. Loan shark
3. Created his own religion
4. He’s trying to rival THE BIBLE, QURAN ,TORAH AND BUDDHISM.
I’m not even 30 minutes in this is hilarious.
He lives in delusion its hilarious
Overt Narcissism.
And then all of the people here who call it "Intelligence". Shameee!!
12mns is all I could do.
He ticks the box as an occult leader,that's what he says 😂 😂
Finally someone with some sense in this comment section.
I don't see any difference between Penualism and all these other religions.
Beautiful interview.
This is amazing conversation, and well articulated view points from Penuel, it helped me to think and understand his controversial points other conversations, I love it. Most definitely sharing it with friends.
I'd love to see Pen have a discussion with any of the renowned Muslim podcast/speakers..There is quite a few out there who would gladly accept a discussion
Naaah Penuel is too average for MH unless it’s aimed with Dawah
Lol I agree.. Yeah that's the aim.. Not just Dawah at him but for the south african masses. He has a large audiance and just like him most need dawah
I really liked this interview, Im sure one day we'll also have a chat...
Hay man this interview is beautiful. This man has achieved a feat I've only read about... Fewer act on this and even fewer succeed.
I really enjoyed this episode
I can’t wait for my channel to grow like black Pen and wide awake podcast, I like how you both articulate your thoughts and opinions.
I’m taking notes, it’s really important to have a Podcast that is engaging and informative and I’m enjoying it.
Just subscribed 🤘
Loved this…!
Penuel is a Great conversationalist .......Josh Great interview
Really great podcast. Im a fan of both these guys podcast so it was interesting hearing the conversation and the debates. Points i agreed with from both sides. Done very respectfully.
I think Penuel is a master at debating with the utmost calm. Taking all emotion out of it.
Great podcast gents
I really enjoyed it
I really admire Pen’s articulation, this guy s mentally strong bra, this guy has really been to hell and back, you can tell because of his realistic and empathetic mentality.
I really hope he takes all necessary steps and process to refresh and recharg plus heal. More like therapy or something, it's exactly people like us who are known to be strong but are going through the most
🎉Great episode gents👌
been waiting!
I hope it doesn’t disappoint! 😂
@@wideawakepodcast whether it's CZcams or Instagram your uploads never disappoint! lol
What I took from this is we Tsonga people need to unite across the two provinces and two countries and use our capabilities to build a army to protect ourselves against any potential threat
Do you really think it a wise idea for black ppl to be divided according to tribes?
Nice one gents!
This Dude is so interesting he intrigues me. I can't help but listen to him. I hope he uses his gift for good though.
We are all gods because we come from God. We are God who has chosen to experience everything else that is not perfection and glory, hence he created the human experience. ✌️
Thanks
A narcissist with a great personality is quite dangerous
His personality is meh, at best
Classical example of an overt Narcissist...struggles to set himself aside and just hold a conversation without trying to sound so important.
He's an empty soul. Even his face screams that
@@andilemajiki2203 Hehehe... You guys are ripping him to shreds
@@tshidi129 he asked for it🤣
When Josh questioned about the word "Cult" Pen proudly and confidently says that he did not invent English but studies definitions and he used this phrase more then once. Would have loved Josh to ask him if by Definition he can call himself God? Because by definition he does not have the attributes of God. So there's a bit of a contradiction. That being said he have all the right to call himself a leader but not God based on definitions.
Penuel strikes me as someone who believes everything that happens in his head and doesn't think it's wrong
S/O Josh your interview skills are evolving tremendously! Penuel is a true knowledge seeker and compassionate speaker
This conversations are fire🔥
"Discussions are better than arguments, because an argument is to find out who is right, and a discussion is to find out what is right." - Anonymous 🙌🏾
Thank you so much for doing this guys. Can't wait to get into it. 🎧 ❤
Penuel is talking shit...he must stop smoking crap n go to a rehab he wud ok...who the f....k is he to call himself a god???
Question Everything???. Smart guyz X 4 sharing
8 mins in and im so interested, fascinating from the opposite side of the world relating to this man
Excellent podcast
The more information you accumulate the sadder you become....the battles we fight guys 😢
Lol Is Penuel a narcissist? Is that even a question? Because the answer is so obvious. Josh, please interview Andile Mngxitama next...That will be very interesting😂😂😂
Bump!!
Andile mngxi!!!!!!!!!!!
@@Sakhatina I don't understand why it's Mngxi now and not Mngxitama
@@jimmy-tg6qh only his true followers will know why
@@Sakhatina lol Another cult. Are you part of his stockvel cult?
Growing up they used to say “too much education can lead someone to losing their mind”.. i never thought i’d get to witness it through someone like Penuel.
Great show Josh ❤.. it’s my first time engaging with the podcast 🙏
Deception defined
❤PENUEL MADE ME COME HERE! I CANNOT BELIEVE I WATCHED THIS ENTIRE PODCAST!
There's something wrong with Penual... There's a lot going on here😂. Something isn't adding up, he'd make a great politian tho'. But a lot of us here can see right through him. Great conversation Josh.
Cult following is less angering and more saddening.
Actually enjoyed this podcast
This podcast is wild. Great communication skills from both sides, however there are many conflicting ideals from Penuel. Education is a powerful tool but using it to create power based on manipulation and promise is a dangerous thing to do.
Well known philosopher Socrates said The only thing I know is that I know nothing, and i am not quite sure that i know that.
His 100% percent right
This is fucking great stuff man✌
Morality is a human construct.
What happens on earth stays on earth.
@wideawakepodcast Awesome interview with Penuel with so much insight. Please get in contact as we would like to chat about a potential collaboration.
Penuel. thank you for this. for your honesty. business is hard and goes bankrupt all the time. even billionaires understand this. the highs and the lows of business. however if your heart is in a good place, and you are doing it for the upliftment of others, the universe keeps calling you for the mission.
Pen just blew up those podcast. I had no idea of its existence before this interview
God is within you. I am who I am.
I would actually want to have a conversation with Penuel or even Josh about the person of Jesus.
Same here
You catching feelings
panuel you guys are good hats off to panuel
The tension 😂😂😂😂
Jus subscribed.💪
Penuel you are not a God
He's God
WELL DONE GENTLEMEN. THOUGH AS A CHRISTIAN I THINK PENUEL SHOULD REFRAIN FROM RESORTING TO LIKENING HIMSELF TO GOD, BUT RATHER EMBRACE THE FACT THAT HE IS A PHILOSOPHER, I.E., A READER AND THINKER. I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH JOSH'S STRONG FEELINGS AGAINST ILL-FEELINGS PROJECTED TO ALL JEWS, INSTEAD OF RECOGNIZING THE GREAT GOOD HIS LIKES DO. MAY WE BECOME MORE COMMUNALLY MINDED AS A PEOPLE.
Bro you had clicking this thing, ready to fight Penuel... Only to have me agreeing with him 😮😢😢
Great podcast. This guy is hectic.
Great show. I liked the part where you said you are a Zim national. I still don't understand why white Zimbabweans or any foreign white is not called names and told to go back to where they come from. As a black South African I just finds this strange.
The downfall of mankind began with the human desire to be God (check the book of Genesis Chapter 3)- Penuel is clearly falling for the devil's greatest trick. To Josh - you should take time to study the New Testament Bible, do research on why so many Jews were converted into Christianity. A lot of Jews are still waiting for the Messiah, is this Jesus which Penuel is comparing himself wiith not the one?
God is in u
What separate cultists from religions is the humility of the messengers whether it be Buddha, Muhammed ( PBUH) or Jesus they never made ppl feel as if they were greater or better than other ppl. Their most important tenent was service.
That's not true, though. All three were viewed as cult leaders and were despised by people and thought off as narcissists and lunatics. The rise of their movements to becoming religions happened over centuries.
Nice guys....
Sorry Josh, but we are here for you not the guest LOL!!! You just have a way of having a great conversation with someone which is such a vibe and I'm here for that. And you are just so humble which is a plus. Keep up the great work bro!
I just discovered Josh, I am here for Penuel
here for Penuel. Josh is also amazing! We watch his podcast sometimes.
Those are amazing ears you got man wow i really like them