10-8 Performance Lab, Episode 57: Which 2011?
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- Hilton Yam of 10-8 Performance discusses whether a 2011 is right for you, and which one to select if you do choose to purchase.
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You must be a smart guy because I agree with everything you say. Just found your channel and enjoying it. (PDP, CZ TS2 and ST XC) Range Toys.
Your videos are super cool...great content, informative, along with your personality showing through...I love them. Having been following you for a couple of years now, it's hard to picture you having been an FBI operator. You just seem so "unbuttoned down ".😅 Great stuff, Bro!!
Great analysis and advice. I appreciate your content🇺🇸
Really enjoy your insights, impatiently waiting for my C2 to show up.
It’s worth the wait👍👍👍
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Nice job on the video Hilton!!!
Planning on getting a C2 soon, to replace my G19.
Old 1911 fan, carried a full size for years.
Great review!! Been trying to find a C2 Duo locally for ~ 1 yr... those things are hard to find.
P DUO for myself, thanks for sharing.
I have a 2019 Grail gun. I sent it back three weeks ago to have the DPO cut performed. Staccato did a superb job. I wish I had bought it that way originally.
Just saw a "Grail" on Gunbroker for more than an XC. Anyway, I'm an old striker fired pistol guy (evolved from Glock to Sig) and started trying Staccatos that friends owned. The last straw was shooting a demo P that the FHP armorer had for T&E and immediately shooting an XC for the first time. I bought an XC a couple weeks ago, love it. And I am cleaning after shooting it and bringing clean/lube kit to the range but no issues yet. BUT, now I want another, choosing between the C2 and P but after watching this, I think I'll go with the C2 because I can do pretty much everything I need to between the C2 and XC. Not saying I won't get a P later though. Thanks Hilton!
I run up to a thousand rounds through mine between cleanings and haven't had an issue. Stay up on your springs and mags and they're bulletproof.
They will let you know if you have any out of spec rounds, though.
A drop of lube every 500 rounds or so is a good idea. They're perfectly happy being wet and dirty.
I have the P and C2 with iron only sites, love them. I'll wait till I need a newer prescription for my glasses before I upgrade lol.
Undeniable logic
Absolutely right..I bought my P duo..I don't use a red dot..but I got that option...and also depends on if you want to carry...c2 is great for carry...p is great for. Duty and plinking...best gun I own yet..it will make you look like a pro.....great videos too.hilton
That's a great idea to use an officer grip and a commander-ish length frame, especially for those of us with smaller hips and hands (like me lol). I'm speccing out a Cosaint 2011 right now for my new carry gun I think I'll have them do that for me.
When the C DUO came out, I purchased it and ZERO regrets. My wife now enjoys it so, I/we have the P DUO 4.45.
If this keeps up...maybe an XC?
Get the XC. It is a pleasure to shoot and literally blows your hair back. One of the few guns I rack the slide on and it just amazes you everytime
I chose the C DUO for the tad smaller size. My first 2011.
If need to carry with higher capacity, it’s the G19, G17 or the Hellcat.
Finally saved for a c2 got the c2 dpo tactical for me that is my grail pistol I should have it soon already have my optic and plenty of ammo for my first range day with it
I have a DVC carry and it is terrific and well made. I have found it doesn’t like low powered range ammo but works fine with full powered stuff.
Solid info! C2 is the go to piece! One piece of inaccurate information is that there is no duty holster for the XL. Since the Blackhawk T series came out with a Staccato model around mid2020 it has been a usable option. I run the XL in 40SW because my department hasn't moved back to 9 yet and it is an absolute beast.
If you do get a C2 MBX makes 18rd mags for them now. I wonder how a C2 frame will hold up to long term use though, I heard they do not anodize them under the coating which is why I didn't keep my C2.
The MBX 18 rd mag is similar to running the factory 17rd/126mm mag in the C2, which normally takes the 16rd/120mm mag as a flush fit. To gain an 18th round, you must sacrifice spring length and follower stability, and as such I do not recommend that option.
The 2020 C2 models did not have anodizing underneath the PVD finish, and I haven't checked in to see what is happening with the 2021 models. The factory did durability testing on the C2 and I really have no issues with the frame as it is.
@@108Performance To be clear, I've never used that 18rd magazine that is part of their new "Defender series" of more carry-oriented 2011 mags since I no longer have a C2. But I do have some of the 20rd 126mm "Defender" MBX mags that I am now using in lieu of both the factory 126mm 17 and 140mm 20rd mags. Unlike the more competition oriented mags they have a much stronger spring (and are actually pretty hard to load to 20rds) but still have the same really high presentation of the round. They are a bit longer than the factory 17s though despite also being a 126mm mag but so far they've worked great. I don't have that much of a round count across them all yet though because of the ongoing ammo situation. They've been 100% in my P and XC so far and passed the feed test in one of your other videos with ammo as short as 1.060 with flying colors.
@@christopherjohnson2171 Copy, thank you for the additional info. Good data points, appreciated. 👊🏻
@@christopherjohnson2171 MBX is known for quality.
What if I’m a tall dude? Can I carry the P IWB?
Can you change your staccato p duo into the grail? If so how can you go about doing it? And thank you for the great video!
I have a non billboard STI Costa Carry Comp - the forerunner to the XC . I love it however the only thing that bugs me is that if you hold the compensator at the front with the slide locked up (not pushing the compensator back into the slide) you can still feel a bit of rotational movement of the barrel left to right/ right to left. It’s only a slight amount of rotational play until the island compensator or/ sight lug contacts the slide.
Has anyone else experienced this and Is there any way to remove this bit of rotational play in the barrel.? Any help much appreciated.
If it's not affecting function/accuracy, then leave it alone. You're not getting what amounts to a high level gunsmith job from the comments section on CZcams. If you have any actual issues with it, contact the factory for a repair ticket.
Thank you for the reply. There is no performance/ function issue. The question was more to establish if this was normal with other Omni/ XC / DVC-P / Costa users . A ticket to the factory is not so simple from Europe, hence the request for their user feedback before bothering the factory.
I find the DPO irons on the P and XC to be a bit loose in the sight picture. I really would like to see someone come out with a big dot night sight with the super visible Night Fision glow dome yellow inserts, they are just slightly wider at .140" than the .135" the stock Dawson's. I've seen posts from officers that can't get duty carry approval without night sights.
Love the 2011 platform but don’t train enough with an external safety.
The C is much thinner for true ccw
C2 with mag is chunky,
Millimeters matter regarding printing 🇺🇸🦾
A legitimate consideration, but the C is a pretty large gun for 9+1 rounds. It's roughly in the same footprint as a Glock 19, albeit thinner. If I feel that I need a gun smaller/flatter than a Glock 19 or C2, then I go with a Glock 43x or 48.
Sure
But then you give up the trigger,
Gunsmithing and feel and shootability
I don’t reserve that for capacity
I believe those qualities are always welcome in a carry weapon,🇺🇸🦾
Thanks
@10-8 have you ever heard of an issue where rounds slide forward and get out of whack in the mag? All 3 of my mags do this. Current model P duo.
They slide forward but it doesn’t create a function issue. If you are extracting a partial magazine, you’ll notice, but otherwise you won’t
@BadBaltGuy The slide forward aids in ejection. The round will still “pop” up whether seated all the way back and forward. I’ve noticed when they are a little forward, the really add some additional force for ejection on the empty case being extracted. Just remember that a round may be slightly forward vs seated when you train tac reloads etc.
I have no problem with the lower capacity C, but it drives me crazy that its a single stack, yet still has a 2011 frame, I have a P, but I guess " muscle memory" takes over; I feel comfortable with my Shadow Hawk Commander or WC ultralight commander? Your my favorite gun channel now; great work?
I bought a staccato p for competition purposes.. I did not want the optics to stay in production division, plus I wanted the adjustable rear sight for that extra tuning to zero it in for my particular loads. Ending up replacing the front FO sight with a thinner blade. My key takeaway now is that the P model is built more like a duty gun than a competition gun. I wish Staccato would still carry their older STI models that were geared more for competition than duty carry.
I hope you mean Limited Minor as SAO guns aren’t permitted for Production. The old STI catalog of competition guns may have been neat, but keeping after all those and limited sales left the company on the verge of bankruptcy.
@@108Performance yes you are right on the terminology. Isaid production as opposed to CO (Carry optic) and I meant to say in non Optic class.
I am awaiting my recently purchased c2 DUO with threaded barrel. What’s your opinion on +p ammo use and a comp and the 19lb or heavy recoil spring.
You probably can use the stock "light" spring if screwing on a comp.
Just an FYI that 19lb spring is the mainspring or hammer spring it may be called.
Hilton, I see on Stacatto’s order page that I can get the “P” with an aluminum frame. If I’m going to edc, and use for IDPA, why would I get the C2 over the aluminum frame P? Does the half inch +/- difference in barrel length matter that much?
Depending whether carry or a competition is your priority, the suggestions in my video still stand. The aluminum frame P is more of a niche item for exposed duty carry IMO. The shorter the barrel and slide, the more snappy, so an aluminum frame P will track better than the C2 but not as nice as a steel frame P.
@@108Performance thanks for the reply!
I have the C2 Duo. You have great content on every video. Love watching your channel.
That trench knife looks brutal and barbaric ... I like it !
Does the P DPO come with mounting kits or do you have to purchase them separately? TIA.
Should come with a kit.
Would you use the c2 for armed security guard service?
I own the C and XC I hear ya but there still my babies
When are the Glock sights going to be back in stock G48?.?
Good info! Ive been shying away from trying another 2011 since my failed early STI attempts but its very tempting with the new models and claimed reliability.
PS: videos keep getting funnier man! Diggin it
After shooting a Staccato C2 my fantastic plastic guns seem like cheap toys. It is the best shooting most accurate gun I have ever handled. And I have shot a lot of them!
I really wish they kept the 2019 P. Wish I jumped on it then. Wanna sell me yours lol
I saw one for sale in the forums a few weeks ago.....dude was asking 4000 and I think he got it. Same for the limited release of 5" 2019 Ps that got into the wild, I've seen people asking 5000 even with a high round count.
@@christopherjohnson2171 that's just ridiculous man but I get it. Supply and demand not to mention the shortage everywhere. People take advantage of that unfortunately. I like the C2 but I think the 3.9 inch barrel it too small and the 4.4 is too long. The 4.15 was almost perfection for me. Would have been ok with a 4.25 as well.
@@xavierd9216 What is a barrel .25 longer going to get you?
I'd love to have any 2011, but I live in the Commiewealth of Massachusetts :-( so all I can do is watch videos ...
Thanks for your contributions of knowledge. I’m not in the market for one. Have tested & am impressed with them. Just can’t justify the investment right now. Ran 1911s before Gs.
On a side note: it’s been a minute since your last AR/carbine video. Any chance of revisiting that platform in the near future?
Definitely can do more carbine stuff, just let me know what you'd like to see!
Haha “ I want to never clean or oil my gun!” Don’t we all.😂
I got a C2 in December, what a great gun. Pretty much everything you said in selecting one is what I did, the only thing I did was order one with iron sites, the next one may be a Duo...
I still prefer my DVCs Tactical 5” and DVC Steel 🤤🤤🤤🤤
Just got a P DPO. Lol they shipped me 10rd mags cuz im in colorado. Really amped to be able to purchase one but its a joke to act like they are some bastion of the second when they won't even send standard cap mags w my 3k gun.
Do us all a favor and give us more camera time on the gun and less face time please!!!🙏🏽
Why not Triarc?
They are poorly fitted and overpriced. They even lie on how they build them. They get their barrels from a vendor, but their “Head Gunsmith” said they make them in house.....stay away.
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@@ACGBLR ah yes this was a wonderful one!
@@cheese0794 indeed!
All these Glock owners coming to the 1911/2011 space with zero experience/research is annoying.
Only 1911. 2011.. no Glocks...sorry guys. Can't beat the trigger in the 11,s
Love the content but your transitions with the same guitar hit every...single...time... is like those hellish Powerpoint presentations where the presenter used sound effects on every single bullet point. Please make it stop...
The sounds aren’t simply purchased or I’d just buy more. I have to set up and perform and record them myself…all for content that I provide for free and film/edit after my work day. I’ll get on it.
STI failed badly on a range in Ohio. Really want to get the one that works well in all type of climates? Try out Bul Armory SAS II Viper and you will never ever look back at STI. Keep in mind, personal opinions change. That is why we have 1 Amendment.
Without any actual information, I hold this comment as suspect at best. The Bul Armory guns are imported, filled with MIM parts, and are untested as compared to the 29 year old platform that forms the current 2011.