How A Fanbase Brought This Character From The Dead
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2024
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Let's take a look at the remarkable redemption of Connor Kenway, a character that, when Assassin's Creed 3 came out, was shameful to like. more than a decade later, sentiment has swung in favour of Connor, and those who don't like him, still at least respect him. This video looks into how a fanbase can make a character return from the dead.
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You sound great bro 😘
I understood you perfectly in this video. Not a single moment did I struggle to hear what you were saying.
May i ask if you have published anything? You said you were a writer so i was wondering. I myself am writing a book too atm
I would like to ask why you don't like Connor? I've heard a lot of criticisms for him, but you seem to not have the same reasons as "he's not Ezio," which is interesting.
But where does Altair rate in in the "One of three" you mention from 1:48?
Honestly what I like about Connor is he is his own character. He isn’t charismatic like ezio, he isn’t cold like Altair. Connor is pure conviction and heart, brutal towards his enemies but kind towards his friends.
perfectly worded
Real
What i liked abiut him was also for a similar reason he has some flaws unlike ezio and deep in his mind he has many doughts whether what he did is right,i could feel it in his various reactions after missions.
There were many times where ezio did something which he believed was right but later felt that it was wrong.
And somewhere while playing i felt like conner was being a puppet of someone because of his emotions,which was realestic.
Out of all assassin's creed protagonist he was the most closest to a real human being but even though if i rank all of them connor will be second just because i played as ezio first and unlike others i liked the present days in it also.
@@kuttapan2268 I like that aspect too! He has personal issues and starts getting doubts about killing his father, about his Allie’s and the philosophy of his creed vs the templars. But sticks to what he chose and has faith in that he is doing right.
The passionate warrior. I love it.
The homestead missions were where Connor's personality shines for me
Agree so much
True that
So many people missed out on those because they’re side missions then they complain he has no character
100%
The Homestead missions are a plot hole. With all the important things going on out there, why would Connor do such useless and boring activities?
Conor's character design and story had a LOT of thought and effort put into it. You can dislike him and his story subjectively but you cant refute the amount of heart that was put into it.
Honestly, it was probably the most effort and passion I've seen put into any AC game. The devs were really inspired to make this game. I swear there is a video from the dev team that you just can't find any more that makes me laugh to this day because of what he said that basically predicted the future of the franchise. The guys said something along the lines of, "we were trying to figure out the next timeframe that could be super cool, something awesome to put the player in. Fans would constantly suggest ancient egypt or india but no. That's boring. Those are boring ideas. And then we thought... what about the american revolution?" I wish I could find it again because I know I didn't dream that shit up I couldn't even find it in AC3 remastered.
Also they brought in Brian Orosco, the handlebar mustached parkour legend himself, for mocap and oversight of the moevement system. Connors animations really are as realistic as possible because if Brian couldn't do it, they didn't put it in the game. He said, "The way Connor moves in the game is how I would move in real life." Put that on top of Connor's well told story as *spoiler alert do not read beyond this* son-of-a-templar-turned-assassin origin story who literally invents gorrila warefare against his enemies with a pure and untainted desire for true freedom and justice was just so peak for its time. He fell in love with the american dream and commited himself to it. Connor is truly a unique and stand-out character that I wish got to have more games.
Connor is tied for my favorite assassin in the franchise. I feel like people just didn’t pay any real attention to Connor.
Facts . They just looked at it and said this guy isn’t ezio
it's not even a shot at Ezio its a shot at the fans who are incapable of viewing a new character and giving them a fair shake@@Trelitty11
@@Zikuto_ Ezio is my favorite protagonist in gaming history, and I still believe that Connor is right after him mainly because he resembles Batman the most in the assassins Creed franchise
@@stimswwolf7867 I like Connor because he’s Connor and nothing he went through changed that. I relate to him personality wise the most and I think Ezio in a lot Ac2-AcB is just kinda dumb decision wise.
@@Zikuto_ Ezio has the most depth and that’s simply because they gave him a trilogy. If you give Connor the same treatment you are gonna make him just as much of a legend as Ezio is. And the point of Ezio was to be naive and immature. Then he develops into the way of the creed with the personality through one thing they all have in common, trauma. Ezio even made the most impact on the creed and he is the primary example of what the creed stood for and how you can change from one incident alone. Connor always carried that stone personality simply because his trauma was that young age like Batman. So he developed a revenge seeking personality. On top of all that he is defending his homeland and his people. He developed his own tools. He mastered at becoming assassin meanwhile, the creed was broken.
Connor is unique because of the mindset the developers had when they created him. After Ezio, their intention towards Connor was to be a breath of fresh air, but due to negative reception from the final result, many new characters onward were created under the pretense of how they compare to Ezio. Connor and Altair never had that restriction.
I commented this before, when I played Ac3 I found Connor to be unbearably naive.
He joins the assassin's after getting a vision telling him if the templars win the world would suffer, but then there were times it felt Connor was doing more for the founding fathers than the assassin's, like when he chased Benjamin Church, that was no longer a templar,with his father (the grand Master).
Even though revenge was a big driving point behind his actions he didn't chase Washington like he did with Charles Lee despite Washington having order the burning of his village
But at epilogue of the game he seems to have grown so much, he knows what the templars are capable of, he knows the founding fathers aren't the absolute righteousness men he thought, and he also sees the african slaves arriving.
I firmly believe he is deserving of a sequel to his story
Him being naïve at the start is deliberate as he ends up blindly trusting George Washington and spells doom for his village and other native Americans. The story actually punishes him for his flaws and Connor grows wiser from that experience, vowing to fight for a better world with newfound conviction.
He's a kid growing up with chains of tragedy, what do you expect
Yeah, but you’re forgetting the most obvious distinction:
He grew up Native.
His father was British …. But the story even shows that he never met his father until his 20s.
His village was far removed and tucked away into a separate valley (which we had to literally scale a whole mountain just to get to what you would call “civilization”).
His first contact with Europeans literally was brutal as fuck. From Lee immediately slamming him into a tree at the age of 9, to being knocked out, to his village burning when he wakes up, then his mother burning alive….
You were almost literally in his very shoes….
How else would you react to those outside your little world, with that kind of past….???
So no, he wasn’t naive. He just didn’t know who was what, and gave everyone new the benefit of doubt.
What I love about Connor is that despite all he had lost and was betrayed by the very people who had promised to protect his Mohawk Native American tribe yet he never lost "hope" and remained loyal to his strong moral compass nor stopped fighting to preserve the freedom and peace for all people.
Bayek, Altair and Ezio would absolutely be proud of him... As would Edward and Haytham.
I'm so damn glad I stuck with my original opinion of assassins creed 3 through all these years to see now how people are agreeing and appreciating it, connor is genuinely to this day my favourite protagonist - why - because he's human. The trauma connor went through from a young kid to an adult how could a man be charismatic and extroverted when you watched your village burn twice and your mother die at 5 years old, he's stoic because life forced him to be that way, he had NO ONE other than achillies, his "friends" all betrayed him, he had to kill his own father to get to the man he believed killed his mother, he had to kill his closest childhood friend, he realises the same cause he was actively helping was the same cause that destroyed his village and yet through all that he remains a good and helping man (see homestead missions.) He's a goddamn inspiration in truth, all this isnt mentioning at all how fantastic ac3 in general was from the combat, the voice acting, the parkour, memory mirrors, to the whole morally grey situation of the Story. One of my favourite games of all time
Same
I'm sure his trauma played into it, but the main reason why he was so stoic and reserved is actually because that's historically how native people were in comparison to colonists. Obviously everyone is unique and there are variations, but we're talking about generalizations. You see this slowly change a little bit in Connor as time goes on and he interacts with colonists. Initially he won't even shake their hands or hug or do any of that because that isn't customary for his people, but he comes to embrace his new family at the homestead and somewhat adapts to their ways.
Ubisoft set Connor up to fail. He followed Ezio and shared a game with his father as a co-protagonist, both characters who are known for their charisma.
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I could never understand how people hated Connor. I loved it since the day it came out. He was a great character he faced a lot of hardship growing up literally watched his mom die and since then set out on a mission to save his people in which being tricked and lied to by George Washington and other people that figure headed the American revolution. His character matched well with the setting and the situation of the story. Also the game is intertwined perfectly with the story so it’s pretty cool how Connor ends up taking no credit for historical events in which we all know of. I could literally write page a after page about how Connor should be considered top 3 AC protagonist
It's sad that so many people have not played the Homestead missions where Connor really shines. Of course the main protagonist should not develop more in side quests than the main story, but I think the Homestead missions add so much more to his character.
I loved the homestead missions
People Hated Connor? I never knew. I just wanted to give him a hug tbh after the ending of AC3. Poor giant baby
hahha
I would not call it absolute hating but its more of people finding him boring and unremarkable.
I don’t understand why people hated his voice acting, it made sense cause not only was English his second language, he was bitter and angry. He was just mis understood, I think that’s the best way to describe him
Exactly he was stoic which was a contrast to Ezio's charisma but would be completely unrealistic if Connors personality didn't fit the trauma he had since he was a child
Silly fun fact but, Connor doesn't actually have a last name. In canon, he doesn't take his father's last name(for obvious reasons) so he really is just Ratonhnhaké:ton, or well, Connor. I like that the fan base has labelled him Connor Kenway so you can easily differentiate from other characters with the same name. Also categorizing him with his father's and grandfather's name :)
True but he's still a Kenway by blood
Removing Conors speach is so criminal becuse it's really good and relevant to this day
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What speech?
@@NPC1173 his Epilogue speech that was cut from from the game
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AC3 wasn't my first AC game, and Connor was not the first protagonist i played in the series, but by God is he my absolute favorite. I'm glad people have grown to appreciate him.
Connor has essentially always been my personal favorite character in the AC series. His calm nature, and his determination and dedication to the Creed, made him awesome, not to mention, what most don't understand as to why he mistrusted most, was because he was born in the midst of a Revolution, and a society that viewed Native Americans as outsiders. People say "Connor is boring, he doesn't show emotion," He does show it, but it's extremely subtle, and you can see the sadness on his face when he kills his brother, and when Achilles dies, not to mention the development he gets during the Homestead missions.
My top 3 favorite characters are pretty much Altair, Connor and Arno, in that order. I love Altair for his wisdom, and going from an arrogant man to one that is extremely wise, Connor as I stated for the reasons above, and Arno for his charming but serious and darker nature.
The thing that makes me like Connor the most is the fact he wasn't around 10 years old when tragedy happened in his life. Ezio was 16 or so, but Conner was 4 years old when his village was burned down (even if he doesnt look like it.) 13 when he left to find achilles and ended up taking his first few human lives (again, doesnt look like it.) and 19 after he starts his templar hunting journey before being in his 20s by the time it's over.
He's not a biased character, he'll call out anyone if he sees it. Blame those who deserve it. He may not be a happy person, no one could be after all that, but he's a character that thrives off of the bonds around him. Being the homestead missions, or the farther/son like relationship he gets with achilles, even the ship missions for captain kidd's treasure. Thats why i like him at least.
The most important question is: Where is Charles Lee??!!
As someone who loved the character since his Inception and to this day he remains my favourite character in the series i have to say I'm glad he got the recognition he deserves. What I'm hoping for is that that happens for other characters too and perhaps Ubisoft could give these characters a second chance either with a mainline game or even a DLC/expansion expanding their character similar to what they did with Far Cry and their antagonists.
its very nice to see him get his redemption
Well that's the thing ezio fanboys were expecting another charismatic/ womanizer kind of guy laughing chilling all the time but no ezio had his share of happiness in this life but not connor i mean the kid know what it is to menace someone not even being 10 yrs old, saw his entire world (village burned) could not save his only family(his mother) and had to live the rest of his childhood teenage years under discrimination so how in the hell did you expect someone like this to be charismatic? Its like asking the same from kratos and kratos is even worse in terms of attitude so connor to me is just one of the greatest and if y'all think otherwise y'all need some serious maturity
Connor gotta be my favorite video game character of all time. He is The true definition of what it means to be resilient and have heart. Most badass character in the series in my opinion.
The way I interpreted the way Connor Kenway was written is: stereotypical stoic Native American.
He doesn’t beat around the bush and prefers to get right to the point.
But he also is not familiar to the way the colonialists and Brits engage in both speech and warfare. And also the politics at play during the war. And the dirty tricks from both sides.
But like another commentator pointed out was that he liked the way Connor was during the Homestead Missions. And if I remember it correctly this is where Connor lets his guard down a little and we see some other sides of him.
He does show a lot of emotion when it comes to his father and Charles Lee, and that is pretty understandable and also feels real to me. It shows that even though he is mostly stoic he does show emotion, but he might bottle it up for the most part to control himself.
He sort of loses this control a bit when he comes in contact with the two former mentioned characters.
Confusion, curiosity, anger and sadness with Haytham. And burning anger and want of revenge towards Charles Lee.
I don’t think he is a badly written character, I think he is just fine.
Not among my favourites, but not near the bottom of the list either in my opinion.
Now I might have to replay AC3 soon, to see if I remember it correctly! :)
As a VR gamer, let me just say that there's so much catharsis when you can play as Connor Kenway in first person in VR and can FINALLY THROW HIS TOMAHAWK WITH YOUR OWN HAND
Connor's design is my favorite in the series, I love the more rugged look of his assassin's robes, and totally fit the more wintery environment.
AC 3 100% deserves a remake. I always felt this game had the most potential in the series but felt rushed & needs a rewrite for specific chapters like the ending. & I wish they tied AC 3 more to Ezio & Altair to show how they connect with Desmond more
I would really like to see a sequel tbh. Conor, Arno, Shay, and Adeline are all alive in the same time period. All the assets are there. There's unfinished business and debate to have.
@@wasteurtime5677Its very strange that after Syndicate we go back to Ancient times like Ancient Greece and Egypt when the story of Shay, Arno, Adele and Connor was totally unfinished.
For example story of Edward Kenway, Ezio and Altaïr was totally finished. Thats why people loved this Characters. (Even if the really end of Edward its out of Game).
Rushed? How come? Needs a rewrite? N O. The only 'bad' things are the lack if explanation for stealth and parkour mechanics especially and the pacing removing enemy archetypes from the map.
@@Engille967Thats fine if you disagree, I think it’s rushed bcs alot of missed opportunity between Haytham & Connor’s convo about Connors mom, Haytham denied that he ordered Charles lee to invade the mohawks territory yet Connor just shut him down & didnt even give a second to even consider what Haytham had to say which was a poor decision for the story, we(the audience) need more context from both characters instead of just seeing Connor let his anger close down others responses. I think they needed to add a follow up to Haytham bringing back the topic about mom bcs it would show he was telling the truth about not letting Lee do that, and potentially having Haytham confront Lee about that problem & seeing Connor & Haytham deal with Lee together, then deal with eachother later but they just brushed off that whole thing. This is just one example, another would be the modern day plot, it wasnt bad but it did need more, also that subject 4 guy wasn’t even shown as a challenge to Desmond, they made him look weak & we didn’t even properly have a fight with him, just chase him. Not to mention, killing off Desmond & the whole Juno thing was unnecessarily hard to understand & needed way more detail to actually be satisfied with Desmonds sacrifice.Other small things could’ve been reviewed, also Ubisoft releasing an AC game every year is proof of rushed content, I wish they took an additional year to really be satisfied with what they are releasing(ik they have a contract with sony). I still love AC 3, & Connor by design & the whole environment & art & music direction was 11/10 its one of my fav games but i can acknowledge this could’ve been way better
@@pianounitedfcofficial the modern day shouldn't exist IMO. It just doesn't belong to these games. You are right about Connor's mother as well, and there should've been a longer story with Connor and Haytham.
The sad part is Conner was actually meant to be Arno’s mentor in Unity, but time constraints forced him to be cut entirely.
Been a part of the Connor and AC III defense squad since 2012. Still my favorite character and game in the series. I was quite the Ezio fanboy, but I was so excited to finally get a new protagonist and setting. Little did I know that from the very first reveal trailer in March 2012 that it would begin my journey of the single most hyped I've ever been for a game before release. Every single day I was on the internet looking for new information or rewatching stuff. To this day, AC III delivered completely on everything I was hoping for. It certainly has warmed my heart to see all the love Connor has been getting in the last couple years.
I never understood the hate Connor got when AC3 first dropped. It actually really used to irk me, because there was a lot of heart and emotion to him that everyone ignored because he wasn’t Ezio or Altïer.
He was someone torn between his people and the revolutionists, as well as the Assassins and Templars. He’s complex, and trying to maneuver his way through a world that’s changing around him by the minute. Of course he won’t always be happy. Thats what the Homestead missions and Naval Missions were for. They offered a break from the complexity of the story and allowed Connor to simply relax, which showcased his heart.
I had always wished we got to see more of him… at least fans are showing him some love now.
Another possible reason why is Connor is being seen in a new light is because as the people that played AC3 were young and didnt like a character that wasnt cool and flashy. But, as the players grow older and wiser (hopefully), they began to see wisdom that Connor represents. He may not be as charismatic or charming but he is honest and straightforward in his actions. He will fight for a cause because it is the right thing to do, regardless which faction that may be.
In Conor's journey to become a Master Assassin and restoring the Brotherhood, we see Connor shedding his naivete and ideals but not giving up in his dreams. That despite a brutal and ruthless world, he still finds the good around him. We also see that besides being stoic and unflinching, he also has a soft side. Helping people, fostering a community and even start a family.
Altair fought for a cause that was inherited to him.
Ezio fought for a cause that was thrust upon him.
Connor however, he sought for a cause worth fighting for. Not just the Brotherhood, but the fledgeling United States as well.
In the Homestead Mission where you first meet Warren and Prudence, saving them from the Redcoats destroying their farm, there's a small character moment where Connor approaches them and invites them to his Homestead. Before he leaves, he places his hand on Warren's to reassure him. Of all things, that simple act was the moment that won me over with Connor, and it lingers in my memory even 12 years later.
Such a small thing, but someone had to program that gesture of solidarity, and it goes to show that lot of care went into characterizing Connor. Altair was born to wear white and Ezio, for two-thirds of his story, was just in it for revenge. Connor was the first protagonist to really feel like a "Hero" to me; an Assassin for the people.
I didn't like Connor that much when AC 3 first came out, I was about 14 years old and didn't really care for his story and I maintained this view the times I did replay the game so when the remaster came out I dismissed it but then few years later I thought to myself I'm older now and I don't remember much so I played the remaster and I finally understood Connor, I came to respect him and his journey, life beats you up, it's not pretty and to have the ability to stand up and face it all despite all your pain and loss is something else, I finally could grasp what his character meant I think time helped being close to 30 opens your eyes to a lot of things you wouldn't know when you are younger.
It was always irritating that people called Connor boring and bland when comparing him to Ezio.
But it’s like they forgot Connor went through tragedy and would eventually lose his whole village. He was hurt, he was used and manipulated by political leaders. He was forced to kill someone he wished he could call family and another that he did. He faced loss again and again.
And like everyone else has said here, more of him shines through the Homestead missions and plenty of people missed out on those missions. And I adored those missions and that made Connor my most favorite assassin. He’s human, he shows it with who he interacts with. Being humane is a big factor in his character and for many others.
AC3 was my first ac game, that game and Connor will always have a special place in my heart
A very well thought out video. It is nice to hear this perspective especially about a character I loved as well. When AC3 came out I was hyped it was presented and teased well but as I played it I thought it was far too short, mostly because of playing as Haytham in the beginning and I just thought there were a lot of design elements that shafted Connor quite a bit. I loved Connor as a character, as a relatable human being. As time went on and I experienced more adult things in my own life I played AC3 again and again and grew to love Connors character more. I spent time on the homestead missions, played the DLC’s and then Black Flag came out featuring his grandfather, the AC3 Novel provides even more depth to this entire family. The homestead missions are so vital to Connors character because it’s like a salve to all of his past traumas and even his current ones. Yes Connor came off cold and even aggressive outside of the Davenport community because it was his trauma response. He kept the Davenport community close because it reminded him of his childhood community.
That’s all I have to say but I did thoroughly enjoy this video man. Thanks!
What I really appreciate about current Internet culture is we are starting to appreciate characters and media we previously dismissed. Connor and Anakin were both viscerally hated critics but have both found very vocal fanbases in recent years.
The thing I that I love about Connor is that he is truly his own character. His progression throughout the main story from being naive to wise really shows, he made mistakes but he learns from it and he is also susceptible to his emotions such as his drive for vengeance which eventually drove him to seek the real truth. As for his personality, he shines even more through the Homestead missions. Overall, his character is, IMHO, the most human out of all the main Assassins
Connor and his people by extension were very stoic in those times, I love how down to earth he is. Literally my favourite AC protagonist.
Connors debates with other Characters were why he became my favorite. Those discussions are legitimately thought provokng not just in the context of Assassin's Creed but life too.
Connor was actually the first Assassin I ever played as. I know people love Ezio or Altair more. But Connor has that nostalgia quality to me. And also I really love AC3 combat system.
Seriously love your content mate. It's so easy to tell you're a massive fan of the series, you can feel the passion behind everything you're saying. Killer intro too.
thank you homie
the game felt like it gave you a real purpose fighting a real struggle by the seriousness of the tone
My favorite Connor moment is the late act darkest hour scene where he’s knocked down by Charles Lee who essentially asks him: “why are you still fighting? Why are you hurting yourself like this?” In a way that doesn’t sound mocking but almost piteous. His answer being “because no one else will” was peak character. Maybe a bit of a generic thing to say, but compelling all the same for the weight of what he was going through.
I honestly only learned people didn't like Connor when I first started spending time on the internet. I thought he was a good character from day one and didn't really understand the hate.
AC3 is by far one of the best games in terms of introducing moral conflict to the player. This is probably the one game where the protagonist is at a constant back and forth between which side is the good or bad one, even up until the very end of the game.
Obviously to us, the player, Templars are meant to be viewed as the enemy, but Connor has nothing to base his views off of. He was not born into the order like Altair was, and was not guided by multiple Assassin role models like Ezio was. The only people he had to teach him about the Assassins and Templars were Achilles and Haytham, but Connor practically had to build up his own perspective of things on his own. Remember, the Templars had effectively wiped out the Colonial Brotherhood at this time, and the only other Assassin that we know came into contact with Connor was Aveline who was dealing with her own problems regarding the French colonies, so Connor had to rebuild the Colonial Brotherhood practically by himself with almost no help.
And even after all of his efforts, helping the Colonies win the war, protecting figures such as George Washington, etc., he still doesn't feel like he's won. He sees that after everything, knowing that fellow native tribes still suffer due to expansion of the colonies, seeing slave auctions being held. He got his revenge over Charles Lee, but, to him, the world didn't feel that much different.
He was the first and only entirely positive representation of Mohawk culture I've ever seen. He was so important to me as a young Mohawk man with nothing but shame surrounding my identity; he showed me the strength of our people. Even if wider audiences don't like him, it can't be denied that he was the most important and most accurate depiction of the culture
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First REAListic representation we’ve ever had, as Natives as a whole. (Given he represents the Kanien’kehá:ka specifically) It made me and my peeps so happy to have someone like us hit the mainstream.
Hit home for me harder because he’s a Halfblood like me.
I wish Ubisoft had done a better job of showcasing what made him so different from those from the Old World. Because Noah Watts killed it. Even for a Crow, he did good at speaking your language. Which I’m sure you know that’s quite the mindfuck in of itself, while other players have no idea how different of a world that would be.
It’s been 14 years, and despite Ratonhnhaé:ton still being so entirely misunderstood, I’m so grateful that the character was created.
Conor felt the most real. He had real emotions. Ezio was the creed in and of itself, while Conor had to mold to it and struggled.
I think if connor got a trilogy or a spin off game showing him develop more as a person, he would have easily been a fan favorite.
Did anybody else realize Connor literally SOUNDS like Altair? The way they speak, their personality…
Connor is to Altair as Edward is to Ezio.
Connor and Altair are in the similar positions of being orphan at a young age , being betrayed , learning of thier masters mistakes ,being aggressive, isolated, blinded by thier ideology and view of the world and arrogant,but when they reach thier 30s , they started to mature , have connections with former templar's, have connections with the common people, rebuild a assassin headquarters in thier region of the world, help the world in a impactful time period
I used to be the biggest hater ever of connor back around 2015 but back in 2018-2020 I revisited ac3 and decided I'm gonna give it another chance I decided to do a lot of side missions hell i pushed my self to go for 100% Sync in the main story and everyone should know it's annoying for ac3 in particular but I decided to do it just to feel more in sync with connor I loved the homestead missions they fleshed out his character for me it's not just give me lee he actually cares for the land and his friends he solves problems and does so many good things in the game hidden behind side quest and things like that I can't help but respect connor Kenway for being a character that went back to being a serious assassin
One of the funniest moments is Connor standing over some random guy in the pub like “wHeRe Is ChArLeS LeE?”
It became a meme
JRR Tolkien said once a world of fiction has been released, the canon of the lore belongs to the public, there is nothing the creator can do to change how the public perceived the work.
Something I've noticed as someone with comorbid ADHD and autism: most critiques of Connor's character and voice acting are straight up just people disliking the mannerisms and personality quirks associated with autism. Connor might be one of the most blatantly autistic-coded characters in any mainstream media. You'd be hard pressed to find someone with autism who doesn't relate to Connor, who can't see themselves represented in him. I genuinely believe that stigma around autistic behaviours is part of why he was so disliked, and that part of why people are giving him a second chance is because of how those behaviours have slowly been destigmatized.
Part of what makes Connor interesting is that he is not always meant to be "liked," in fact, the character has some very dark or even annoying moments and that is exactly what makes him interesting, because he feels authentic.
When I played AC III the first time I didn't agree with many of his choices, but I quickly developed a respect for the character because of the predicament he is in. He is between the Assassins, the Templars and the Patriots the whole game, each faction demanding his loyalty, forcing their world views on him, *always* expecting him to help *them* and chastising him when he questions them. They rarely help, they rarely teach, they never guide, but they sure as hell punish and that is something that I can relate too and respect whoever suffers that.
Talking about your video, yes, Connor is a great example of fan support. Assassin's Creed as a franchise has undergone its ups and downs across the years, and its community is divided between characters and genres and so on, but this franchise, and its fanbase, manages to perform incredible feats that a few years ago seemed impossible, and few other companies and fandoms can replicate with their franchises.
completely agree
Connor had amazing potential, but ubisoft messed it all up by boxing half of his character development as side content and cut the ending speech (which serves as the other half) out of the game, it's only after completing both can one fully understand Connor
Edit:And also the abhorrently long intro that felt like it was made halfheartedly
Everyone knows the homestead missions are where his character shines but it’s also where his voice actor shines. I know Natives personally and I know that’s how they “talk” in that monotone voice, I’ve never researched why even though I’d like to. But you can hear much more standard emotion in his line delivery during those missions
Because of our noses and throat structure.
Plus, our languages are usually a lot more pronounced nasally, so that transfers over to how we enunciate other languages.
I love Connor from the beginning. I total remember being an "outcast" in the fanbase because Connor was kind of a dick, but that's what I loved. He would call people out and could take a hit and give it back tenfold. Ezio is my favorite assassin but I knew Ubisoft had to make a new character and it wasn't going to be an Ezio clone. Ezio was the "tell a joke, and jump off the boat in shark infested waters" assassin. Connor was the "This guy is an idiot, I'll just do it myself" assassin. Connor was from a different culture and people compared to the Colonials and British he had to mingle with. Knowing that Achilles probably educated Connor on history not just from the creed, Connor could easily grew up with "these people just see me as a savage." Solidified by Charles Lee when we start playing as Connor. He's a complex character and people were way to quick to judge.
Main content vs side content is also a very important aspect in this discussion too. I had this revelation with AC Brotherhood too but when I went back an replayed AC3, the side content was a masterpiece. The best parts of the game are hidden away in the 1 place players learn to ignore.
Connor is my most beloved character because he was an idealistic boy. Who as he grew into a man seen the fucked up world he was living in and he moaned and complained at first seeing the easy answers. And grew learning those answers can't be achieved due to conflicting forces. Becoming wiser upon each revelation while becoming a cold realist
I love pretty much all of the Assassins Creed games I don’t particularly care too much about the overall story itself but how it makes me feel. The story of Connor Kenway is what hooked me in to what eventually became my favorite gaming franchise, it’s deep, it’s emotional, and overall it’s fun to play. Connor Kenway is my favorite character, Altiair is too arrogant, while I love Ezio he’s too cocky, Connor is humble for the most part, the homestead missions is honestly where his personality shines. But that’s not to dispel his downfalls when he joins the brotherhood he is incredibly naive and idealistic, he basically hyper focused on Charles Lee and Haytham with no real direction until later in the story. But he’s my favorite character because despite all that he lost he still marched forward and persevered showing undeniable strength and fortitude.
It's worse to find out that his later story was going to be unfolded in Initiates, but it was cancelled. AC writer, James Nadiger, revealed on Twitter in March 2019 that Assassin's Creed: Initiates was initially supposed to feature more of Connor's story in his later life, as revealed through the perspectives of characters around him. Nadiger wanted to slowly reveal Connor's real story through Initiates, showcasing that he became one of the greatest Mentors in the Brotherhood's history. This would have showcased Connor's family and friends alongside the role of the American Assassins in pivotal events such as the War of 1812 and would explain that the Davenport Homestead vanishing and Connor dying alone were ruses to elude the Templars. Initiates was cancelled before Nadiger could finish what he planned. Least in the comics, Assassin's Creed: Reflections, he was shown to be a loving dad to three kids and a great husband to another native woman of a different tribe. Still, what a huge miss of a great story.
Ratonhaketon is my favorite assassins creed character, one of my favorite characters in fiction, the hate for him makes no sense, and is usually (always) rooted in ignorance
What happened is really simple. Most of the people that hated him back then are basically kids or even mid teen at most, and now a decade later they grow older and have a solid grasp about reality and found themself finally relate to all that shit happened to Connor and how sucks it is to keep going because they already experienced a bit of that in their own self. I myself have liked him since then, in fact, I prefer the Kenways so much more than Ezio. Can't help that because in terms of traits and characters, Ezio is basically your typical perfect protagonist you already seen in every kind of media and it's just so difficult to be really amazed by the overdone archetype. The thing that kept me going for the first four games were the historical connection between the three protagonists, not because I like/adore the main characters.
I personally think ac3's story is a lot better when you look at it from another perspective (I also appreciated that they decided to say that washington, was not as cool a guy as you think and presented actual criticisms towards who he was). as a basic example with haytham look at his interactions with connor and take the perspective that he can't truly be honest due to his life as a templar. his final words become interesting if you know that connor truly understands him. it's why connor's outburst towards haytham is actually a massive highlight to his character. Also take in note that haytham's life has been plagued with what ifs specially towards his old age where connor is front and center within the conflict. hes always wondered what it could have been if he was able to stay with zii'o who he genuinely loved, if he had been honest to connor at the start, had he just abandoned the order after killing church, had his father not died, had he become an assassin.
in his final conflict it wasn't simply connor vs haytham.
but to haytham it was a fight between himself and a reflection of himself had he become an assassin.
I'd say Kassandra is actually really well liked as are the Frey twins but you were right about Shay
I mean Evie and Jacob are terrible but, they are leagues better than Kassandra and Eivor. Also think Basim sucks 🤷
Now I’m curious, what do you think about Bayek ?
Perfectly said. I’ve always loved him and he’s the only protagonist that I would make me make a 10 hour video for lol. But he’s seriously an interesting character to me and my first & favorite one.
hes amazing
I really like Connor mainly because he embodies values popular at this time in history (talking about setting) that are really close to my heart
I might as well say this but Jacob and Evie are easily my favorite character, I just love the idea of a brute but still soft for his sister at times being a brother myself. That and it was the first ac game I've played
He was the most brutal fighter out of all of the playable characters, as well as having the coolest arsenal in my opinion. The rope dart was dope, his bow and tomahawks were fucking sick. He had one of the most tragic stories i feel. watching his mother burn to death, along with his village , and later on being forced to kill his own father all while fighting the white man's war.
I feel like “rushed narrative development” is a strange criticism by an ezio fan. I first played AC2 a year ago and Ezio mostly felt like a Gary Stu, and the game bounced all over the place and the ending speech from Ezio felt so shallow and that it came out of nowhere. It was such a stupid turn after the intelligently written characters of the first game. It was a shock because of how amazingly executed Altair’s arc is and how much Ezio is universally praised.
Connors probably my favorite assassin besides Edward dude was an absolute unit
It's interesting to look back on AC 3 after 12 years. I had liked Connor's character at the time, probably because I'm also a reserved person and can relate to his annoyance at how touchy complete strangers were with him in the early story. But now I really appreciate how the story and his character arc played out. AC 3 was morally gray from the setting to the conflict between the Templars and Assassins to Connor's own motivations. As the story played out, the player and Connor gained new perspectives that drastically change our view of earlier events, yet though it all Connor held to his convictions and refused to be swayed despite how much he may have questioned them. I also enjoyed his arc in the King George dlc. I have found few corruption arcs as well executed as that story's.
I also like to headcannon Connor as being Autistic. As someone who is autistic, connor just gives off those kind of vibes to me, with how earnest and sincere he is. How uncharismatic and stilted he can be. That and just how cool he is, being a native American, having one of the best designs in the franchise, using a tomahawk as an assassin's weapon.
And his final line to Charles Lee has always stuck to me
"Yet you fight. You resist. Why?"
"Because no one else will."
I really appreciate him.
I've been called earnest, sincere, and stilted by many people (mainly family and friends). Are those traits of being on the spectrum? I'm not on the spectrum (yet some of my friends say I might be), and I've shown those traits. As well as not express myself because I've seen some people say that's a trait of autism. I'm only asking because I see a lot of people (online mainly) label characters who aren't super expressive as autistic and I relate to a lot of none expressive characters.
I think people would be a lot more positive towards Connor if they didn't lock basically all of the best character moments and humanizing pieces behind easily missable side content. If you play through the game focusing just on the main story with only focusing on the flashiest bits of side content then he's a sullen, angry, single-minded man that's obsessed with revenge. If you instead put in the work for the homestead then you get a young man with a lot of personal baggage and trauma coming out of his shell and seeing that there is more to life than the mission.
Unfortunately most of the players only saw option A.
I really wanted to see Conor fight Shay Cormack in a sequel to Rogue back in the day. I really enjoyed the Kenway storyline along with Ezio’s
Great video. I appreciate people like you who may not agree with something but can respect it. Kind of hard to find these days... At least it feels that way.
I would say Connor is definitely unforgettable If the player pays attention to the themes surrounding the character From where he started to where he ends up. I definitely agree the ending speech should have been kept in the original game. But there were other themes In the game that showed Conor evolving as a person. For example:
1.) When Connor axes the pillar From Achilles's house , as in tradition amongst his people to announce war against an opposing group. Achilles response saying, " You could have at least found a tree to do it on" years later, Connor succeeds and pulls the ax out of the pillar but as he does so he looks around at all the trees around him and finally understands what Achilles was trying to tell him, but he was too stubborn and arrogant to listen.
2.) during Connor's execution, the guy that tried to set Connor up, mocked him saying his hands will always be empty and that the path he is going down will be an unrewarding one.
If you were to ask me, my hot take would be that ezio came at a good time to be an assassin, whereas Connor and Arno came at probably one of the worst times to be one. Kind of like what happened to Michael coulione from godfather part 2 when you compare his life to his dad's and how his life is much harder being a gangster compared to his father's.
Connor is one of my favourite characters in AC. Especially once you play the homestead missions. You really see how he is.
I've never understood the hate Connor gets from fans, always arguing that he's too serious and moody, of course he's gonna be pissed his people were being massacred by not only his enemies but even the people he thought were his allies, who he felt he still had no choice but to aid because they were the lesser of two evils, his character and his attitude towards things and the people around him are completely realistic for someone put in a situation where he can't actually win and help the people he loved, who raised him and who he originally set out to try and save, as the game goes on he slowly starts to realise that he'll never be able to help them no matter how much he wants, the entire world is against them, and in the end that's exactly what happens, he loses them all as they have no choice but to move on as their land was stolen from them by the people he was helping the whole time. AC 3 is the one that never fails to bring me to tears any time I play it, and while the other games have their moments that are also very emotionally, none do it as consistently as 3 or Connor as a character. Connors one of the best written characters in assassins creed. I have a question for anyone who thinks Connor is badly written, do you really think it makes sense that Ezio just let Rodrigo go at the end of 2, it doesn't at all, yes he had got to the point where he had let go of his need for vengeance but he was now an assassins and knew Rodrigo was the grandmaster, he had a duty but decided to just let him go, even Machiavelli calls him out on it in brotherhood because it just doesn't make sense, and the only response to Machiavellis frustration is Mario being like "what's done is done", so yeah anyone that stubbornly hates on Connor without actually trying to understand his point of view, his character and his motivations, ask yourself did Ezio's character always make sense???
Every time I come back to AC3, I keep thinking how much higher I'd rank the game if the Homestead/rebuilding the Colonial Assassins was the main game, with the historical pop-ins being the side content. The former is where the game shines for me.
I'm so glad Connor is getting more love because I feel like it wasn't fair on how the community kind of judged him partially because he wasn't Eizo he was very unique and it just kind of sucks that we never got to expand on the character I feel like if Connor had died maybe one more game or had a trilogy I think they definitely could have elevated character even more but I am glad to see that he's finally getting some love
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As someone whose favorite is Arno, I can absolutely appreciate the love someone has for a character.
100%
I've always been a Fan of AC3 and Ratonhaketon as a character. Like, it's hard for me not to. I grew up in Ohio and learned about native american culture in school and we have a museum we'd go to that had native american exhibits and in alot of ways i found Ratohaketon's personality to be very very similar to aspects of my own. So maybe i took it alittle personally when people initially disliked him.
I'd even make arguments for Jacob Frye aswell, not that i can off the top of my head, since it's been a minute since i finished syndicate recently. But these characters (Eivor aswell) i've just got this pull towards.
Ezio is everywhere, and he is so "perfect" when it comes to characters that grow and live and become these idealized forms. Altair is similar going from hothead to wiseman in a single game and then getting more in the 2nd game and revelations to wrap him up. I like them but there's nothing that i can personally attatch myself to. Edward fits cleanly into the same mold of ezio and altair aswell.
Moat other protags i think are just fine imo. Tho i think Shay gets too much hate.
I took that AC "Which Assassin are you quiz" from Ubisoft, and to this day, every time I answer, I still get Connor 🤣
In the description of his character in that quiz it says that he's an outsider/outcast from everyone, but is true to himself and his morals, and nothing will stop him from doing right. That made me realise: I'm very much like Connor (besides the Assassin training and killing people🤣). He's one video game character I respect and relate to without a doubt in my mind🤝🏽
you are literally him
@@TheSpaniardAssassin 🤝🏽🤣
Connor was one of my fav characters as soon as I played AC3 for the first time
I can understand if you're just not a fan of this personality type, but I struggle to take seriously people who use Connor being "too serious" as a genuine mark against his character because all things considered he has every reason in the world to be a mean person. I do however wish he'd been characterized a bit closer to the way he is in the Foresaken novel because I think you get a much better perspective of how much he really did care, and how tragic he really is.
I never knew that people hated Connor Kenway. I always found him as a good character with a great design, plenty tools too that you just don't see in other games. I doubt people are going to be defending the frye twins after a few years time, Connor Kenway is one of a kind and lives in a great game.
I love connors personality , he has such a tough but soft vibe and is very badass. I played ac 3 maybe like 20 times
connor is the goat for me , always felt drawn to native american culture since a little kid and i loved the dlc, also hes super relatable and super truthful, not to mention hes a true and pure man and hero
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It depends which has control. If the Devs don't listen to the criticism and fanbase? The devs have control. If they listen to feedback and accept it willingly? The fanbase has control.
Named our dog after Connor Kenway. I miss that big guy.
enough to make a grown man cry
I’d like to see an assassins creed game where they really focus on the assassin and his relationships and how he evolves as a person, instead of the overarching Templar war (which I do also love)
Agreed. He might even go to the wild west to help the native tribes there.
@@Engille967 spread the creed to them and be their mentor!
I actually really like connor and Hatham. Being able to play through both is the best part of AC3. They are very different but as you play the game you learn how much alike they are.
Well made video. I fall into the boat of disliking Connor initially, but my perspective changed massively overtime.
i calmed down on him too tbh
Let’s also not forget that AC3 did a way better job at explaining the Templars point of view too. The rooftop conversation between Connor and Haytham was one of the best in my opinion and got me thinking that perhaps the Templar's aren’t wrong too.
I'm Native and because of that I always thought Connor was badass, plus I loved the Assassins Creed games and thought the idea of a Native Assassin was so interesting but then again theres hardly any Native protagonists in video games. As a character I do prefer Ezio and Bayek to Connor though but I still like Connor.
Kind of glad that 3, was my first game in the franchise, I always loved the gameplay, and thought Conner was pretty cool and haven’t had Ezio, or Altair to compare to because at the time I haven’t played nor really knew what happened besides the intro cutscene.
Ac4 and Brotherhood are still my favorite games in the franchise, but 3 still holds a really special place in my heart.