B3 vs. NEW C3 PDSSAP 20-Li Parkside Performance Impact driver battle Grizzly tools vs Kompernass
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- čas přidán 8. 12. 2023
- Do you have one of these tools? What are your impressions? Would you buy the B3 for 60 EUR or the C3 for 40 EUR?
Why is the C3 PDSSAP Parkside Performance 20-Li impact driver less expensive than the B3 version.
One is made by Kompernass, the other one by Grizzly tools. Are they identical?
Is mode 4 on the C3 equal to 226Nm on the B3?
*All testing done on Mode 4 on C3 and Mode "226Nm" on the B3. Testing was performed on 8Ah batteries. In the start of the video you will see me using a 4Ah battery to show you the tools, however that is just for ease of use.
**Broken impact adaptor Makita 1/4" hex in to 1/2" at the start of the day while doing a 5sec test to see if I could overload them. They were both fine! Unfortunately the broken adaptor seems to have stressed the camera so much that it did not record what took place. Only the aftermath... Always next time!
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Just keep reviewing Parkside tools! They are the best value for money out there!
And keep up the good work! You are doing great! Support from the Czech republic!
Thanks a lot!
Thank you so much for choosing to share your hard earned income with me! All I can promise is that it will go straight back in to the channel to make it a better place for you. I will try my best to bring you new and interesting videos! Thank you so much! Lots of love to the entire Czech Republic, a wonderful country I would love to visit again! And indeed the Parkside brand offers some great deals, had it not been for Parkside I would still be waiting to save up for another power tool brand which would have been much more expensive.
Also please feel free to let me know what sort of tools you would be interested in seeing so I can see if I can make that happen for you!
thank you ! I keep my A1 and B3
You are welcome! That A1 is a great piece of kit indeed! And also the B3!
@@BrokeLifeEU thanks bro, keep making videos on parkside, you rock. Have you tested the new B4 impact wrench ?
Thank you so so much! I really am not deserving of such high praise! Unfortunately I have not tested the new B4 and I probably won't be able to for now at least. As I am funding this on my own and I have already spent quite a lot on tools I won't be able to afford another 150EUR for it. I chose to buy 3-4 tools for 150EUR instead of the big high torque impact. Seeing what the situation is between the B3 and C3 PDSSAP Impact Driver I am sure the situation between the A3 and B4 will be no less interesting, however out of my price range unfortunately...
Hello again my friend. I just found out that the c3 version has a secret fifth setting. Select expert mode and you will see all lights turned on. This gives for a small period of time extra power. Give it a try.
Give me 5 minutes and I will make it happen! 😉
I hope you get the chance to see the new video and let me know your thoughts!
@@BrokeLifeEU any link?
Certainly! czcams.com/video/Oo6hRuwhckI/video.html
For A1 version the mentioned anvil works. But the bushing does not, opening in the case is 19mm. I attached the videos bushing to a 16mm drillbit and used a powerdrill to run the bushing against a sandpaper, down from outerdia 22mm to 19mm. Hard to have it not spin on the drillbit. Seems to work. Also had to make a new washer that is between the case and the anvil. Took a standard 16mm washer and grinded it down a bit (to thick)
Good one! Did you manage to do it in the end?
Old is gold!
I regret not buying the PDSSAP A1 all that time ago.
@@BrokeLifeEUwhy?
That is the best one. They spared nothing and built an absolute TANK!
Interesting how it goes.. now I understand why the B3 is still for sale in germany and eith a higher price tag than the C3 in kther countries.
@@BrokeLifeEUgreen or black?
Don't forget you can set up the battery settings to balanced and performance and expert thru Bluetooth that's the point in it
True, however I would prefer to use tools as tools and not have to connect them to phones and apps.
thank you doing decision between those two ... B3 then !
Well I have had two C3s since they came out and I have had no issues at all with them. However I have seen dead C3s that other people had. I also have not heard of many broken B3s but I managed to unalive one from nearly brand new. So whichever one you go for make sure it comes with a warranty.
I've got lucky 😂 bought one today in lidl cause its small and fit under the car but there was only c3 version. I look through the cases and there it was a brand new B3 in C3 box. 48usd 😅
😂 some luck there! I am interested in how that occured.
@@BrokeLifeEU I think that there is still a bunch of these in the warehouse somewhere, and they decided that it needs to be sold, and b3 and c3 are similar enough, so they pack it into c3 boxes and hope that no one will notice. Now i need to mod it from 1/4 to 1/2 and it will be perfect.
This might be complicated regarding warranty as the C3 and B3 are made by different manufcturers and as far as I know they are sent to different service centers.
The most tools of grizzly quality is not good like Komprenass quality, but and Komprenass was failed with B2 , but in upgraded B3 they made it very good machine!
That was my thinking as well! I thought because of the price difference and the different manufacturers there may be some differences. Turns out there are. However I doubt many will notice them so for the price of 40EUR the C3 is a good tool!
@@BrokeLifeEUlets talk after 2 months to see what problems will come hah
In my experience with the Lidl warranty I am honestly not that worries. Last time I had an issue it took them 3 days to replace my tool. 1 day delivery to the service center. 1 day to check and resend me a new tool and on the third day I had a brand new replacement. 5 year warranty from such a big chain is amazing value!
@@BrokeLifeEU
In general I like parkside stuff but to often I had problems with damages or non stable power/quality.
When you buy a machine you never know before what quality you really get. One machine is not like the next one, there exist big differences in between the machines in power an lifetime. When you have for example 3 times the C3 version they do not work all same good from the power and the lifetime is also different.
I was a couple of times in the situation that a parkside tool did not work anymore and I was not able to finish the job (i do not buy every tool 2 times).
After this happend to me a couple of times with different machines I had enough and I left parkside. I changed to Bosch Professional and no more problems. Yes, it is more expensive but you get a reliable machines. Bye it, use it and no trouble with nothing. Good and stable quality is not a misstake.
I completely understand and I fear it is becoming worse. There are many tools the newer models of which are now of inferior quality and are performing worse than their predecessors. I would not mind paying a bit more for Parkside and getting better quality control. @@macroy5611
Can you please check something gor me if it doesnt bother you.
I have both C3 and B3
Whel i leave my B3 on 1rst mode and i leave it for 5 mins when i get back to driling its on 1rst mode....however the new one flashes from 1 to 4 and stays to 4 every time i leave it for 5 mins or i disconnect the battery and connects it... is this a defect ?
No problem at all! I went out and made you a short! czcams.com/users/shortsVQHx5WUqTlc
Hi, I just signed up, you really are the best! ...question, I found just yesterday at Lidl I bought this fabulous instrument thinking it was the B3 model but instead due to distraction I realized that mine was the B2 model! ....at this point I don't know whether to return it or keep it since it still has a 5-year warranty, thanks for your advice, best regards
I would prefer the B3 personally, however since it is not in stock on the Lidl.de website and they started selling the B2 again i think it will be a while before they have the B3 back in stock. Yes there are some issues with the B2, however there are many people who continue using the B2 without a problem. So if you return it I don't know if you will be able to get a B3. Still you have the warranty so if you stick with the B2 and it goes wrong it should be replaced or refunded.
awesome video. but it did make me a bit uneasy, they offer darkside tools every 6 months in my country and are now offering C3 version next week. seems that B3 is better, but like you said, 5y warranty is what you really buy with these tools. my friend uses b3 almost every day on the construction site and he says it's his most used tool and a must-have. guess i will have to buy the C3. thx for the info!
Hello! Thank you very much for taking the time to watch the video! It makes me very happy that you enjoyed it! Unfortunately there is a risk of me making you feel even less at ease. Due to one comment I also did a teardown video on the B3 and C3 and I just uploaded it. If you have the time you might want to look at it. It does not look good for the C3. Nothing major but what are the chances that one I bought turns out like this...? Still 5 year warranty here to help us!
Is there a teardown comparison video in the works?
Honestly, there wasn't one since I thought there would be no interest. I saw your comment and filmed one just for you. However I was also surprised along the way. I will try to upload it tonight! Hope I don't fall asleep soon...
My C3 always switches to "Stage 4" even if i already adjustet to a lower Impact Level some minutes before. That ist higly irritating when working on a ladder with one arm.
Yes, they all do it. Some people say in the comments that this can be fixed via the Lidl Home app. However I have tried and found no setting to fix this. But maybe I am too old for this technology.
A few days ago I bought a C3. I decided to try unscrewing the wheel bolts and.. it broke on the first try at 226nm. The motor can be heard turning, but the spindle does not.
Unfortunately the C3 looks to be a downgrade. Mine even had a bent fin on the motor. However as long as you find one that works I think it should be fine. It's just the quality control from the B3 to the C3 is worse.
Тоже купил C3 и он так же сломался!
Разобрал, оказалось что шестерня от якоря отломалась.
Не знаю что делать.
The B2 was not great so they fixed it, the B3 was great so they value engineered it into an inferior C3. The test results speak for themselves!
I would say that still it is a good buy, if it had been priced at €58 like the B3 I woukd have had a different opinion. But fir €40 and 5 year warranty it is still a great tool. Can do 99% of what the B3 can. Will it last? Only time will tell, but with the 5 year warranty that is honestly not such a big worry in my book.
@@BrokeLifeEUalso 200nM is way to much for wheels..usualy 120-150 will cover 99% cars if that is primary goal..
Also I would say for screws 150nm is more than enoguh for most people...all above that breaks adaptors or in most cases screw/bolt heads..
Yes, 120-150Nm is absolutely good enough. For 40EUR and 5 year warranty it is a great tool to have!
@@BrokeLifeEU where did you get it for 40 euros? in which country?
One example of a current online lidl store with close to that price.
www.lidl.sk/p/parkside-performance-aku-razovy-utahovak-1-4-pdssap-20-li-c3-bez-akumulatora/p100368968
It was in some countries last week for 40EUR in stores, in some countries this week at around this price and next week they will continue to introduce it to new countries.
I'm sad because I can't buy the b3 model, I can only find b2 or c3 which is worse?
C3 is to be fair alright, the B2 is the problem. I have now used the C3 for some time with a 1/2“ anvil and it is doing fine. I have tested it beyond 210Nm in that configuration and it does not hesitate at all. So in the 1/2“ anvil form it is good!
One question, on this versus, the c3 model was on "expert mode"?
No, I test them as they come out of the box. As this I feel is the best compromise between endurance and performace the manufacturer could come up with.
Can someone help me? I've just bought a C3, tested it, but i cant really put a screw in wood with it. My technique is somehow really really wrong, im using the proper phillips bit without pilot hole, screw 4 by 100mm, and no matter how hard i push and how slow rpm i use it just keeps on slipping.
I know i should obviously use a pilot hole, but i keep seeing people putting them screws in wood without them.
What type of wood are you trying to put them in to? If it is beech then 100mm is all they can do. If it is something less dense then there might be a problem with the tool or you are using a weak battery. The recommended battery is 4Ah. So if you are using it with a 2Ah battery you won't be able to utilise all of the power of the tool.
@@BrokeLifeEU its uhh.. well, dont know my wood, its just standing out acting as a doorstand for a while, its a littlebit moist and mostly cracked, however. Now that you mentioned, it might be the tool itself, i mean, without load, it should work just like a drill, but this thing doesnt really react to very small pulls on the trigger, when it starts, it starts spinning at around 1000rpm
For wood screws you must use pozidrive PZ bit and not philips PH
Is this kind of tool strong enough for larger bolts on a car?
In the regular version like in the video or the 1/2" modified anvil from my other videos?
@@BrokeLifeEU regular one :)
Well the regular one is a 1/4" hex drive and so for sockets you would need an adapter. Two problems with that:
1. The tool becomes longer and so can't go in tight spaces
2. The adaptors break a lot
- It does have enough power in most cases to undo a bolt or nut. Even with an adaptor it can do 200Nm, however you will break so many adaptors that it won't be worth it. If you want it for cars I would say convert it to a 1/2" drive. There will be no power gains. On the other hand there will be no adapter to take up space and break. Or look in to the 12V PPDSSA that is the Parkside 12V impact wrench. It comes as a 1/2" drive directly from Lidl.
@@BrokeLifeEU cheers, will take the larger unit
@@BrokeLifeEU Cheers; that's really helpful. Would it make sense to get this one for smaller bolts and the 1/2" for the larger ones? Or could we just use the 1/2" for everything instead
I did already 2 customer claims on Kompernass PDSSAP i have enough on B3 and B2 good that C3 is from another supplier...
Well I have had two C3s since they came out and I have had no issues at all with them. However I have seen dead C3s that other people had. I also have not heard of many broken B3s but I managed to unalive one from nearly brand new. As long as a warranty is present both B3 and C3 are good as far as I am concerned.
You have Bluetooth connection on b3 with new Bluetooth battery
Yes, you have that option on both B3 and C3. The C3 has an extra logo at the bottom of the handle!
Hi Buy B 3 for €62 or C 3 for €50?
I personally think the B3 is the better one, if they both have the 5 year warranty. B3 is made by Kompernaß, C3 by Grizzly tools. On the B3 you can see the modes better and I feel it is a bit stronger. Also the B3 is currently not available on the Lidl.de website. So who knows if it is coming back. They only have the B2 which is by far the worst one.
How is the newer one weaker???
In this video the adaptor is the weak link. However when both the C3 and B3 are converted in to 1/2” drive the B3 has a lot more power and can undo more Nm. Also I have now seen in a couple of months more broken C3s than I have B3s in a year.
And by the way if both are used as intended for driving screws in wood you will not notice a difference in normal use!
@@BrokeLifeEU I should’ve watched this video before i bought one. My inter use was to put an adapter on it to use sockets aswel. But I’m a hobbyist anyways. I don’t think I would notice a difference.
@@moslimislam5714Don‘t worry! It will be fine as long as you are not after 400Nm breakaway torque with a 1/2“ anvil conversion!
Does B2 have bluetooth?
I don't think the B2 has a Bluetooth. I also just tried to look it up on a couple of Lidl websites and nowhere do they list Bluetooth on the B2.
@@BrokeLifeEU yes but there is the same BL symbol on the grip, anyway are any the difference between b2 and b3 ?
BL would be brushless motor, they both have that. In general I would say the difference between the B2 and B3 is bug fixes and Bluetooth (The B3 has that). I have heard of many problematic control boards on the B2 and not that many on the B3. Also there was a "sleep mode" on the B2 that was not there on the B3. @@jetfulvio
@@BrokeLifeEU there is no sleep mode on my b2 , in all italy this week they sell only the B2 version , seems ok to me no bugs at all
@@jetfulvio maybe a b2 corrected version?
Der B3 hat 4300 umdrehungen.
Der C3 hat 3600 umdrehungen.
Darin liegt der Unterschied.
Danke für deinen Kommentar. Allerdings kann ich Ihnen die Parameter auf lidl.sk zeigen. Nur dort haben sie sowohl C3 als auch B3. Sie können sehen, dass die aufgelisteten Parameter gleich sind.
B3 - www.lidl.sk/p/parkside-performance-aku-razovy-utahovak-20-v-pdssap-20-li-b3-bez-akumulatora/p100357908
C3 - www.lidl.sk/p/parkside-performance-aku-razovy-utahovak-1-4-pdssap-20-li-c3-bez-akumulatora/p100368968
Für C3 und B3.
Schlagzahl: 0 - 4.300/min.
Leerlaufdrehzahl: 0 - 3.600/min.
It is a shame. B3 is not available anymore. They want to make more money and sell worse tools.
That really is a shame! I don‘t see it on Lidl.de. I can only find the B2 there now.
To be fair the difference is so small that if you take two b3 and compare them you will still get one slightly better than the other, just due to tiny imperfections that combined give different results
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Они все такие. Плюсом этой марки является гарантия.
are you fucking kidding me bruh, so i should return c3 and get old b3 for 10€ more with receipt with almost year less waranty, can i even return it after being used?
after rewatching 12v v 20v c3 how so in that video this c3 managed to do 200nm easly where here cant even move it?
i think im gonna buy new b3 and test them myself with brand new batterys
I was using a heavier impact socket in that video. Also the battery there was full charged. The batteries this time were used from the start of the filming until the end without being recharged. So the 200Nm was the last thing they attempted to undo in this video. In both cases by that point the batteries had just dropped from 3 to 2 bars. Both batteries are on the same cycle count as well.
@@BrokeLifeEU also when i tested c3 vs bosch gdx 210c, i did use if i remember corectly c3 bit more but c3 got decently warm while bosch didnt, was this also your case with b3 and c3?
It was extremely cold outside when I was making the videos. It looked sunny but somewhere around the 0 to 1 degrees so I still can't judge on that front. I'll get my laser thermometer next time and I will check with the B3 and C3 and will let you know for sure!