Explaining The Hackamore And Bosal
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2015
- In this video I'll explain what a hackamore is, how to use it, when to use it, and why to use it. I'll also explain some hackamore training techniques.
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71 yrs old and you explained it better than anyone ive heard...Thanks for the reminder of where true understanding of the horse begins. I wish more folks would try this. I see them struggle with bits, etc., and won't try the hackamore because they don't understand. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for using a proper microphone! So few take the time to provide quality audio.
Awesome. Basic information clearly explained. Great for those of us who have been expsoed to multitudes of folks passing out bad information at local barns.
Wow, you have just explain it better than most. Thanks alot for the important information buddy.
Hey there. I have just bought my first traditional hackamore. It looks very much like the one you have in this video. Thanks so much for this. I am excited to try something new! Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thank you so much for this information and easy to understand explainations.Please keep making them.
Hi Carson, I liked your short video so well, we will be forwarding the link to our customers. Excellent advise!
So glad I found you I’m learning so much you explain things so easy
Thank you for telling me about this hackmore training.
Terrific video! Thank you Carson
Well Done Carson. Mighty fine video. Can't help but subscribe. I like your style. Many thanks
Great advise. My mare is 18 and Alpha to the core. With a bit she fought me to no end. When I swapped to the bosal, her response was lack luster in the beginning. But wirhin 2 weeks, her response time and her attitude changed to the better. The mare was a sale barn purchase. Probably doped to be brought into the ring that hid her Alpha tendencies. Only reason I bought her was her great conformation, flair as paints go. A halter and showmanship project for my granddaughters 4H project.
Horse tradin and sale barn buyin run hand in hand.
Swappin from bit to bosal,
Seems I came out on top.
Thanks
I really appreciate this video! Well done!
I started in a rope halter now moving on to a bosal, I feel like hackamore are much more precisely in the signal from the rein than a bit but that’s just my personal preference and some older horses that’s been mostly bit ridden seems to really calm down and relax in a Hackamore
Very informative.. Thank you..
I have to agree that this is definitely one of the best if not the best instructional video on how to tie a mecate reins onto a bosal. I'd like to know your opinion on synthetic mecates verses a horsehair mecate? Thank you again for the wonderful video!
I have a instinctive reflex to get away from that rope lol. Red on yellow kills a fellow. :p
Great video!
I so agree with all your ideas and logic. You are the best trainer I have ever watched
I was looking for a trainer that starts with a bosal.....couldn't find one. My 4yo gelding is back from 30 day start. I'm going to start with a bosal. I feel less is more and I don't want to use a bit. I ground drive him with a Halter/reins he does fineand stops with a whoa or a slight tug. Where are you located?
Great video. Thanks so much
A lot of good information thank you
Great video. Any recommendations on where I can find a bosal/hackamore setup like yours? There's so many styles out there and I haven't found one like what you use to demonstrate. Thanks!
I totally agree we use a hackamore on our mare although my wife like using a twisted bit on her I like using the least amount of pressure to gain what I'd like her to do.
Awesome thank you very much
I think I might give that a shot
what would you suggest to use while learning ground work?
what would you suggest to use while learning ground work? nj
Anything goes for me as long as I'm watchin' a cowboy . Thanks cowboy , you have a terrific hat especially the hatband .Jai Maharashtra ,Pune Salisbury park.
I'm starting a mare on a mohair hackamore if that makes any sense. The nose piece is mohair complete with the reins. Do think I would get same results from similar equipment? Thanks in advance. 🐴
who made your bosal, its very unique, im looking for my first one.
I agree with this dude
So i have a 2.5 year old Percheron horse that has been on a bit for while, twisted wire bit is what I got him with. i have only had him a month, i am also green rider. He is very well mannered, my question is can i start over with him in a Hackamore and bosal so that we both can get better? I want to become a good, general rider (i am older 51 y/o and new to horses) i can't afford to pay someone thousands to train him for me so i am going to learn and do it myself. Any help would be appreciated
My horse has been started bitless and is on a side pull, but she is pushing through the the side pull, i'm thinking i might be getting a bosal, just so she feels the pressure a tad better..
We just received a horse. The person we got her from said she never road her with a bit. Another person gave us a bridle with a bit. The horse acted like she had used one before. There was no fight with it while in her mouth. Upon looking up differences, we have decided to go with a traditional hackamore, with no metal with it. How might we get one that doesn't cost much?
can you recommend a good bosal maker? ive been told that purchasing an inexpensive one mass produced may not be well balanced and to find a good quality one
Recently started riding my barefoot quarter horse in his halter and 1 (sometimes 2) reins. Now I’m wondering why horses started with nothing in their mouth are transitioned into more severe bits. Comments? Explanations?
Where would one get a quality hackamore and mecate?
you can get these things at just about any custom leather shop or real hat shop
In 2012, at London OLYMPICS the rider used one. If he can get to the top of his sport with it, there is no reason to ever use a bit.
@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel bits should absolutely never be used for control or power. Stallions can go just as well bitless as other horses and all horses should be started bitless. However, bits are wonderful for high level horses and riders to improve communication. The mentality of “he needs a bigger bit so I can have more control” is so flawed.
@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel did you read my comment, bits should never be used to get more control, otherwise it turns into pain compliance and the need for an exponentially harsher bit. A skilled trainer could get even the most agressive of stallions to go bitless, I recommend Warwick Schiller’s series on starting a warmblood stallion if you don’t believe me. I’ve seen it first hand, I used to exercise thoroughbreds and a fair share of them were studs, all could go well in hackamores. Do you mean to say that no stallion can go bitless, and that all stallions should be ridden bitless?
@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel I don’t know what reins and nose bands have to do with bits? Warwick’s a professional reiner, he’s as western as it gets.
@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel now I’m really confused because we’re onto hackamores, this discussion was about bits and you saying that we have to always use bit with stallions. I use bits myself, but not for more control, which is what you were implying. You seem to have completely changed what we’re talking about.
@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel that’s all true and I agree with you, but I still don’t get why your original comment implies that stallion can’t be ridden without a bit if you don’t use them for more control?
Is that traditional electric tape?
What brand do you use?
You only start colts with a hackamore? No fillies? We use them on both.
Preach
That first hackamore looks like a tie-down headpiece.
We share the same opinion.
Where did you get your custom knife and sheath and where to do buy your round brim hats from
Jory Mosshart don't know about his knife and sheath, but Buck just started making slightly different version of their old crosslock horseman's knife which is the best horseman's knife I've ever had. They quit making them over 20 years ago and people wanting them searched the country for old stock lots, ebay, yard sales even. The original was black, had a knife with half serrated edge near the base, the smooth sharp blade the other half on the tip end. The hoof pick came out the other side, also locked in place. Also, there was a belt clip but you could use it on breeches, a boot, just about anywhere.
His hat looks quite similar to hats custom made by Montana Rio. Wonderful people to work with but not inexpensive. They stand by their fit and customizing the hat to the color, hat bands, and stampeded strings to your liking. It's not right until you say it's right. Also, they will fix your hat should anything happen to it. Montana Rio Hat Company. Good luck. Not the only hat maker around but one of the best.
Jory Mosshart I've been achin to ask that question of Carson. Thanks for beating me to it!😊
I disagree with your description of how the hackamore applies pressure to the nose. The hackamore has a curved noseband that contacts the horse's nose. But the horse's nose has a flat bone. So the curved noseband of the hackamore actually only contacts on 2 points of the horse's flat nose - the left and right extremities of the nose bone. It is not unlike the snaffle bit contacting only the left and right bars of the lower jaw of a horse. IMO, the best option is a soft side pull in the early training. It offers contact of a wide are and therefore the pressure is evenly placed across the nose with no pressure points. And it offers clearer lateral feel through the reins to help teach a horse to bend during the early training. Then progress to a snaffle and only after the horse is going well in the side pull and the snaffle do I believe a rider should progress to a hackamore (although I don't see the point).
Maybe I missed something, but I heard him talking about the hackamore, but what is the bosal?
They use these words interchangeably. Mostly under some thickness they call them bosal or bosalito otherwise they're hackamores. But the more people you ask how they call it the more confused you'll be.
Basic info to get a person interested in training with the hackamore.If you want detailed info and instruction check out Richard Caldwell.He has videos for sale or go to Electric Horseman magazine. You won't be disappointed. So much info not mentioned here, it very fine art of horsemanship. He has videos on u tube also.
So what's the point of having a bit if they can ride without one?
no point people are just stupid because bits are abuse
dory and sophia's amazing weeks bits are only abuse if you don't know what you're doing so I'd suggest some riding lessons in your case.
Heythereitsricki because society:/
Exactly. Look up free riding: folks who have nothing at all on the horse, no saddle, no head stall of any kind, and who fear nothing because the horse is so well trained. What a joy.
Cheryl, and they are in an arena.
How long is that mecate?
US Productions 22 feet
Where did you get your im looking for a good one
Brianna Foxworth GET AN ACTUAL HACKAMORE! Bosals can rub off the skin and break the bones in a horses nose
Explain what does that Brianna Foxworth.
I believe in Hackamores
Very informative and I agree with why you prefer them. It is absolutely the ideal . However, for the thousands of us that do not have the timing, feel, EXPERIENCE and knowledge, but mostly the HOURS upon hours to consistently work our horse or money for the trainer to do it---a horse trained with a bit and ridden successfully and safely in one is the best we can accomplish. And I do not ride anything in a broken bit as they are too harsh. I will not put anything in my horse's mouth that pinches and pokes.
oh geese. you were not just joking on your history part, lol. its not called plow reining, its direct reining, as you are pulling directly on the side of the horse you wish to go. neck reigning is when you lay the rein on the horses neck to turn. dressage dates back way back to and possibly before the roman empire. they use meal bits back then as well, as part of the bronze age, and they used this same skill in war. the centaur theory with the half man half horse dates back to the Colosseum and ancient mythology, where man and horse looked as if they were one being. the Spaniards adopted this skill after the collapse of roman empire. the Spaniards then they brought it to mexico, where the natives had never seen horses before, and that where the vaqueros or Mexican cowboys learned it. dressage is the ancient war horse training, and the vaqueros just leaned it and taught it to their Spanish horses. the first bridles were not rope over the nose, but a leather loop in the horses mouth, around their lower jaw and tongue way before they even invented saddles. hope this helps with some of your history.
Ginger hates bits, she is very sensitive so bitless bridles work good for her.
Diane asks......is a hackamore kinda like a "half nelson" OR a soft Head Lock on a horse so you have light control of them??so you dont have to put metal in there poor mouths,,,,,,,and ill get no answer
actually Kelso and Johnny that really isnt so. its only a head lock or a jab in the mouth when you reaf on it, and both of those will cause crazy pain. the bosal works of the nose, and their are major nerves and pain sensors in the horses face where the knots go, and this is why it is so effective. i have seen horses with broken noses, and broken jaws from hacks, just like i have seen broken jaws on horses with bits. sometimes the bit alone is designed for pain. other times, its the riders bade use in a good tool. i if a kid doesn't have slow hands in a pasture on a webbed halter, there is no way im gonna add knots over nerves, or a bit to this problem.
Bosal and Vaquero Spanish wards
I'm sorry...but first I have to call you on your history. Arabians are one of the oldest horse breeds and they were not ridden in bosals, which are technically a type of hackamore. Not to mention that they had been ridden and bred specifically for centuries longer than other horse breeds were even a glint in the breeders eye...and bosals were not used for centuries.
I agree with him except it is a Bosal not a Hackamore, have found with young horses that really hates the bit they tend to always not like bits, change the bits and they resist and resist, put them in a Hackamore or a Bosal and the horse is instantly transformed. Our aim was to neck reining
Michael P F it’s a hackamore. The noseband with the hanger is called a bosal. When you add the mecate it becomes a hackamore.
@@CarsonJamesHorses Sorry don't agree a hackamore is an entirely different beast, at best a bosal can become part of a hackamore but a bosal is not a hackamore.
We would actually call this a mechanical Hackamore!! www.gibsonsaddlers.com/product/english-hackamore-bit/
@@CarsonJamesHorses I guess that's where we will differ, and I know many call it a hackamore, we didn't and others refer to either or. When you go to the saddlery you either ask for a bosal or a hackamore, ask for both you will get two totally different items.
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That is a lot of wraps on the end there. You lose balance and that big knot bounces around and annoys a good horse. Just my opinion, but if it works for you ok. Just try it my way once. You can fit by squeezing the bosal to fit the jaws and then snug the knot. You don't need all that bulk. I see this a lot these days. Common mistake.
BTW, good video, however. Don't want my opinion to cast a shadow on your good work.
that's not a hackamore. That's a bosal
Zeke, the hackamore is thr entir set ip, including the "reins" (mecate) & "headstall" (hanger). The bosal in ONLY a part of it, specifically the nose band. My Hispanic friends call a nose a bosal. Tje call a halter la ja'quima.
FYI a mechanical hackamore is no more a hackamore than faux leather is leather. Not sure if that is what you meant.
+Diane Oraif actually on the coast of California where the art of the hackamore was perfected the tradition is that if it is ridden alone then itnis a hackamore. If it is small enough to be ridden under the bridle then it is a bosal. It doesn't matter if the mecate is attached or not.
Hello, Jeff, I understand that. What I was referring to is the entire setup as Carson is holding in his hands. The entire set-up itself as a bridle is not called a bosal, in my understanding. Oh well, we get people around here calling a side pull a bosal.
A bosal is a type of hackamore...it just isn't a mechanical hackamore
a hackmore is a type of bit, that does not go into the horses mouth. all hackmores work off the nose and chin. some are leverage bits, some are not, but that is the definition.
Carson old friend, you forgot your fiador. The Spanish invented it for a reason. Figure it out
The Jaquima comes from the Muslims, that is where the Spaniards got it.
yup! and a rope over the jaw and tongue in a lope was long before that. i think the Spaniards got it from rome, when everyone came to watch the coliseums bull fights. after romes collapse things all went weird from there. but the chariots were the first use of horses. and they had bits in their mouths by then. crazy history.
@SPANISH WEST la jáquima is mentioned in 1580 in a book in Mexico by Juan Suarez de Peralta
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46Rambo any horseman or woman likes to hear their own voice. Everyone has a strong opinion on their own horsemanship.
DONT BOTHER WRITING TO THIS CZcams GUY< HE DONT CARE ABOUT HIS VIEWERS< THATS WHY IM GONE!!!
Ok I rarely comment on videos. But there is so much dis and misinformation on this stage of building a bridle horse it's not even funny. I doubt this joker has even built one finished spade bit bridle horse in his brief existence as a "trainer".
Why do I say that? Because he has no clue what the hell he is talking about in the most remedial stage of the traditional Californio spade bit horse.
6.5 in to 8 in.... should be the length of the nose button on top . The length of the bosal measured from the inside from nose button to heel knot ideally should be no longer then 10.5 -11.5 inches max. This gunsel is talking about how the size doesn't matter on the bosal and you just add more wraps to fit the horses head. Nothing can be further from the truth. anything over 3 wraps and the rein wrap is gonna create too much weight and throw the fulcrum point off. Not to mention his bosal is not even shaped correctly. That should bare the shape of the horses head through the cheeks because its been placed in a shaping block.
His still looks like it came right off the rack from the local feed and farm store. Lastly this newbie has not mentioned once the importance of going down in the size of the diameter of the bosal and hair rope and that they should both be the same size diameter thoughout the entire phase of schooling.
You will continue to decrease the size of both until the horse is ready to transition into the phase known as the two rein. Which consists of bosal and bridle.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH CZcams ANY DIMWIT CAN SPEW THEIR SO CALLED EXPERTISE AND WITH GOOD MARKETING AND SATURATION SOME PEOPLE WILL EAT THIS GARBAGE UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW BETTER.
I WOULDN'T LISTEN TO THIS CHUMP IF HE WAS DOING A VIDEO OF PICKING UP MANURE... WHICH BY THE WAY IS WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING BASED OFF OF HIS PISS POOR KNOWLEDGE OF THINGS.
... and what's up with the electrical tape on the cheeks not only tacky and cheap looking but it looks to me you are rubbing the jaws on your horse's to much and cutting hair
most likely because they are not halter broke well enough and your hackamore set up does not fit properly. Lightly sanding the rawhide strings to knock the edges off and using rawhide cream will smooth and soften the cheeks to prevent that from happening.
If you want to have any credibility with those other then old ladies and retired accountants you should shut your channel down... head to Nevada, California, Oregon, idaho or montana and go to work on a cow outfit. And get some experience beyond a 100 horses started.... that doesn't make you an expert anywhere except with those that are greener than you.... and I find it hard to think there are many that are greener then you.
CARSON.... go back to being a farmer or mechanic you are better suited there.
That little tidbit my greenhorn friend you can have for free😉
Thanks for setting the record straight. I dont have a clue, but your brief education makes more sense.
I hate when someone puts someone else down when they don't know what they are talking about. Actually, that young man is a very good horseman. Check out his site; and, you may want to take back the negative stuff you said about him.
Wow, you could have imparted that information with out all the insults to him and some of us that did not live and breath horses our entire life. I was very interested in your opinion until that point.
I was ready to listen until you said a horse learns more quickly in a hack than a bit/bridle. After over 50 years experience in saddle-seat english. I know better, as long as it's done carefully and calmly. When you think of how long horses have been learning dressage (anywhere from Xenophon to some centuries later, depending on whom you believe), the PROPER use of bits has distinct advantages, when properly fitted.
I don't think that's what he said.
He said a horse learns better and is softer in the mouth *after* they have been in the bosal because they understand the concept of pressure and release and have a better idea of what is being asked
what would you suggest to use while learning ground work? nj
nancy jo dowdy a rope halter, just as good as a bosal.
what would you suggest to use while learning ground work?
Use a rope halter with at least a 12 ft lead. Get one that you can loop through, not one with a snap. They can break and also will smack the horse in the jaw when your teaching him to back up