Technically, he's not. Minute Men are supposed to be a militia, which isn't the same as a military outfit. It's really more like a gang that has quasi-noble intentions. There's actually quite a bit of history of that here in the States; early militia during the Revolutionary War had almost exactly this kind of weird infighting/co-fighting dynamic.
@@cmatrix4761 except the minutemen clearly had at least a basic chain of command. A general. You are the general and the clear leader of the minutemen. Garvey is your subordinate
@@Engieman909 You are a general adventurer with super powers,by which I mean you have Perks that others do not. Preston can feel that,and he knows about your adventuring,so why not use that?
@@thisisaname5589nah heavy disagree. I love Fallout games and I think 4 is really good except with their main story/faction mechanics. 76 is the worst and that is coming from a dude with nearly 95 hours into it.
@@fistfightersclub A roleplaying game with bad story/faction mechanics is a terrible roleplaying game. If you want a game with bad story and good mechanics, play Mario or something. Everyone knows 76 is bad, and that's why it's not *AS* bad. People will make false excuses for 4, which lowers the standards for every other game across the board. It is worse.
The Sole Survivor burned Preston, first with threats and then with searing lasers. Preston fell, covered in blood, betrayed by his very General. His dreams dashed, life’s work a mockery. He couldn’t look at his General, now enemy and soon to be killer. Instead, he gazed at the sky. “At least it’s not raining.”
Imagine if instead of this, once you sided with the raiders Preston told you off, and left the settlement. Soon, you'd get notifications that the minute men, are trying to reclaim/take over your raider settlements, and soon there is a sidequest to eventually kill Preston. That would've been cool, they could've made preston 'unkillable' until a certain quest triggered.
Ya. That would have required some basic talent in the studio unfortunately. Which they haven't had for years. It's why they gotta resell a game at full price and they justify it by adding in content made by random people. I bet those mod authors aren't going to see a dime either.
@@SMACKu2b To be fair, they did try to make a way for mod authors to get paid directly for their work by the player, but that wasn’t exactly popular among players
@@bobbyferg9173 nexus always had donations. Betheada didnt need to try to get them paid, the best modders were getting paid for their work through donation.
Preston: There's some things I just can't forgive >:( Preston two seconds later: U-unless you wanna still help us, it's not like I have a settlement that needs your help or anything
Doesn't that speak to how good of a person he is? He wants to still believe in you and is trying to give you a chance. The minutemen still need you if you're willing to help.
@@Kjf365 Sure, you could spin it that way. The dialogue doesn't reflect that in my opinion. The fact that the minutemen HAVE to exist as a fall-back faction in Fallout 4 if you decide to piss everyone off is a symptom of Bethesda writing, and as such it's baffling in a way that they designed a DLC around joining raiders and helping them prosper when their core game's defacto faction revolves around really, REALLY hating raiders.
Everything going on in this scene is just so quintessential Fallout 4 lol, the goofy outfits, the old time music, the deafening generator, all together with the serious relationship altering conversation juxtaposed immediately after by the clipping audio of generic radiant quest completion banter *chef kiss* It’s like modern art.
Damn Right he will 😅or id put him in he's place I've had to before he may not agree with some of my decisions but he keeps he's shit dry and tight 😅😅 and obeys orders me macready cait and hancock are running things in the common wealth preston is just my information guy for my outposts or settlements I prefer outposts 😅
Wonder when this whole settlement fetish of his started up. I must predate the Quincy Massacre, right? Or did he arrive at Sanctuary and then out of fucking nowhere he was all "Mmmm! Luv me some settlements!"?
The whole “Minutemen are the failsafe” isn’t the only reason the game forces you into them. It’s because Bethesda forced this settlement system into an RPG, and so much of it hangs on what you do with the Minutemen. The BoS hardly does anything with settlements. The Institute doesn’t do a damn thing, and neither does the Railroad. What they should have done is implement the raider system into the main game from the start, rather than forcing it on you in a DLC that many would have started after being mostly done with the game.
Bethesda should have done a lot of things “from the start” with this game. So many bad choices and missed opportunities. That’s what happens when you get writers who don’t understand or care about the source material, and make decisions only for the sake of impressing the big wigs and for marketing. The settlement system was just a bad idea in the first place. There’s is physically no way of inserting a ton of fully player customizable locations that produce infinite amounts of materials without it being an absolutely exploit, glitch, and bug riddled nightmare. Not to mention since there’s no real building physics in this engine you can build things that ruin immersion or look downright ridiculous. This system so obviously put a massive strain on development time, considering that it effectively works as a replacement for towns and cities (when in no way it works as a replacement) and that so many story elements and mechanics were just left on the drawing board.
I feel like the settlement system could have been so neat if they actually wanted to put work in to seem like they care. Instead, they rushed out an extremely unoptimized mess and then expects the players to just be okay with it. It could have been really cool. They bungled it so hard.
@@ociferit’s strange how much effort they put into the settlement system and then essentially lock it behind one faction. Sure, you can “claim” settlements for other factions, but there’s no real story significance (outside of the safehouses). Maybe if each faction had a different way of doing settlements? Maybe for the Brotherhood, you can claim “outposts” which naturally have higher defense numbers than usual settlements, but exclude ghoul and synth settlers, decreasing overall settler count. The institute can try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the commonwealth (if you’re trying to do a “good institute” thing). Due to their technological advancements, you’d have higher food and water resource counts, but the stigma that the institute holds leads to overall lower settlement happiness. Railroad is the most difficult, as their whole “in the shadows” ideology goes against public settlements. But perhaps when the institute is destroyed they may become a more public organization. If so, perhaps an expansion to the safehouse system that they already have would be good. That leaves the minuteman as a “middle ground” option where they don’t have the benefits nor the downsides of the other factions, allowing for the minutemen to be the most flexible.
@@MothmanOfficialWvaeven just trying to build anything has many issues. So many times that I can’t snap together pieces that are the same (like the same exact wall piece that is supposed to snap to another one)
Ah yes. Here again is FO4 not having the balls to actualy cut you out of certain ways to play, even if you keep talking smack to the faction members and standing against everything they want...
It's because the minutemen are the failsafe option so you can always get an ending. Kill the railroad, brotherhood and institute on first sight? No problem, you can still nuke the institute with the minutemen even if you also first start raiding the commonwealth as overboss.
@@frisianmouve I am aware of this. And it is a poor way of handling things! If you tell everyone to get fucked, you should get treated accordingly. Have an anarchy ending or whatever. But that is a problem of FO4 as a whole
The failsafe option should have been integrated into Diamond City. There's enough people and strength there that they could have been an appropriate fallback if you ran foul of every other faction while also being versatile enough to align themselves with any of the factions. Good Minuteman run? Diamond City supports them. Enemy of Minutemen? Well the real Minutemen ended at Quincy, Preston is just a pretender, but Diamond City endures without them. Good BOS run? They're strong and can help bring order to the Commonwealth. Enemies? They're thugs who only want to strip mine it, they need to be repelled. Align with or destroy Institute? The kidnappings and raids on settlements will stop, either way. Railroad is clowntown, no one wants to play them. But still I'm sure Piper and Nick think they're alright.
"With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created."
@@themanicfiddler1152 Preston: “Hey general, listen I don’t want to be friends anymore. I think it’s time we go separate ways…………………….Also there’s a settlement that needs you to do all the work for them like they’re helpless toddlers, I’ll mark it on your map”
Bethesda writing at its worst. Instead of immediately shooting you, he talks and talks and even keeps obeying orders even though you clearly joined a group he despise! It's as if in Fallout: New Vegas the NCR would happily work with you even though you massacred their men by order of Caesar just 30 minutes before.
Honestly, they should've written in a raider ending for the main game added by Nuka World and make Preston non-essential once you've reached this point in the game. Hell, depending on where you're at in the game, there could even be a mission where you and your raiders storm the Castle and you potentially have to face your own defenses from before.
@@Xunizal When fallout 4 came out and I got it almost straight away, I was super disappointed that you couldn't help the raiders attacking the minutemen at the beginning. In the original fallout games you can side with the bad guys, which is why I like them more. It almost feels like bethesda don't know what an rpg is.
It's funny to me that you guys ask for more choice and your solution is to restrict your choices further. I see mods for Skyrim that have you pick a class at the start and it forever locks any other unrelated skill trees. In this situation you'd rather be permanently locked out of interacting with Preston and the minutemen because of this. If you want consequences then make them using your honor. Don't talk to Preston anymore. Don't invest in certain skill trees. It's as simple as that. Why does the game need to do it for you? What about people who don't care about the game punishing you for stuff? What if those people don't know doing something will permanently lock them out of doing things? Then they're screwed. Maybe they really wanted to do both of those things but now they are unable. That doesn't sound fun to me.
@@Kjf365 Because it makes the world feel fake and artificial, fallout 4 doesn't feel like an actual rpg, it just feels like an open world game with rpg stats. I don't think you can compare a mod that locks you out of skill trees to this.
@@Kjf365 in real life, choices have consequences. Like people writing you off as a monster for poor choices. In this, nothing is ever not available, making your decisions much less meaningful. Get it? Is that hard for you to grasp?
@@pderham26 This isn't real life though. It's a video game about an out of time survivor of the apocalypse being the most useful person alive. And this did have a consequence. You were now locked out of having a friendship with Preston and thus you couldn't get his perk. As for him leaving the door open should you want to redeem yourself, why would you actively make enemies with the single most dangerous person in the wasteland? That's simultaneously signing your death warrant, and cutting yourself off from the one guy who can actually get things done. Preston saw firsthand what you could do at the start of the game. Him turning on you would be as much dissonance as in Skyrim when you kill a dragon in 3 hits wearing daedric armor with several daedric artifacts on your hip and a random thief has the audacity to try and rob you.
@@Kjf365 Why should realism in character interaction not be something they strive for just because it's about a dude surviving the apocalypse? You are stumbling through writing reasons for something after you decided it's okay. You should not "want to redeem yourself". You should want to do whatever you want. And you should be able, like in reality, to make choices which limit or expand your options. In this case allying yourself with raiders and bringing them to the Commonwealth should make the minutemen your enemies regardless of the BS you just spewed about character skills. Your character is not supposed to be treated like wasteland Jesus. Just a competent guy. You even played NV?
"Bugs, bugs everywhere. Wonderful tasty bugs. No time for you, talk to Ravel, he doesn't like the bugs, not even with mead." - That one Oblivion guy. (Legit my favourite quote in the whole game).
I've always subscribed to the theory that Preston is another would be gang leader who realized that the best way to take over was to wrap it in the window dressing of the Minutemen. He found a disoriented Vault survivor with advanced pre-war technical skills and installed him (or her) as the figurehead "General" while giving orders from behind the scenes, and sending his catspaw out to eliminate all the competition.
See it is stuff like this that would actually make sense in the Fallout world and it's why we never got even close to any of it with Bethesda, and only got glimpses with NV (which could have been an absolutely masterpiece of a game if it had not been treated like a side project.) Fallout 3 and 4 is not really Fallout. The Minutemen are literally just Boston- revolutionary war-muskets!
there is no "fallout" your refering to anymore sadly most people just play 4 and 76 maybe new vegas but they never touch the first games which are more story and narrative driven@@TNAROHfan
If Bethesda actually cared about consequences, they would've let you be hostile with the minutemen and add the option of doing the main quest with the Nuka World raiders instead.
Joing the raiders actually both locked you out of and kicked you out of the minutemen when the DLC was initially released. The feature was removed because they didnt include a new ending with the raiders and you could potentially get locked out of finishing the game.
Preston: "Wait, who are you again?" SS: "I'm...your general?" Preston: "Aw, no way! I'm honoured to finally meet you...You're with the Brotherhood of Steel? We could use able bodied soldiers like you to help the Minutemen back to its feet, if you're willing to help." SS: "Preston, what the fuck!?" Sturges: "Aw crap, the wiring must've gotten knocked around in him again. Hang on, I'll try to get him fixed for ya. Wonder how long he's been tangled like that, last time he went a whole year before we realized his hand switched all joint function to the wrong direction, didn't slow him down much, but damn was it weird watching him try to pick up a glass of water." SS: "HE'S A SYNTH!?" Sturges: "Don't be silly, he's just a modified protectron that we dressed to look like a person." (The camera pans back to Preston, revealing that he's just a protectron in a hat and trenchcoat wearing an Obama mask)
Garvey is a coward, he should be the faction leader of the Minutemen but decides to toss the responsibility on you a fish of water vet, who knows nothing about the minutemen or the current postwar world, while he plays minutemen puppet master behind the scenes. He's the one that gives you minute men missions not the other way around, so he's really the boss.
Original Fallout: "did you look at me the wrong way, boy? You just lost the whole Brotherhood of Steel quest line. Permanently" Fallout 4: "I literally sacked and enslaved settlements, I've killed their protectors, I've destroyed everything you stand for and I also talk shit to you" "Huh? Nasty... Anyway, another settlement needs your help"
For those who don't know what he's referencing, the Head Paladin in Fallout 1 will literally kick you out of the Lost Hills bunker and strip you of your BOS membership if you are disrespectful towards him, or enter his room unannounced multiple times. You'll never be able to get back into the bunker (without use of force). He will do this, even AFTER you went through all the trouble to venture into the glow and bring back an artifact for the Brotherhood, and even STILL after you've defeated either Mariposa or the Master (one or the other, once you do both the game is over).
@@russianhat7725 Bro, company get money when they make games which is every couple of so years and spent money on every single day Thats just dumb to think that company with good games will never go bankrupt , also just because they went upside down doesn't mean their work is invalid and bad its actually a very good (not perfect) RPG because it actually plays like in a DnD game which give you the limitless choices.
@@russianhat7725 Not to mention the fact that the computer video games industry was still a very niche thing when the first Fallout game came out, however it was so good that even multiple non-gaming centralized magazines would feature it as one of the greatest games of all time. But yeah, keep shilling for Beth. Whoops, I mean Microsoft, since Bethesda sold their entire company to Microsoft. If Fallout 4 was so god why would they have to do that, Russian Hat?
@Luke Morgan It was still sold. If they were doing so great that they didn't need a company to continually finance them, they wouldn't have sold to Microsoft. It would be stupid to give most of your profits to another company when you're doing more than well by yourself.
The Minutemen had such great inspiration and then Bethesda just makes them one guy who makes the player do everything and then Preston acts like there is some faction of Minutemen changing the world.
If you've actually played the game (or at least watched the gamplay), you'll learn that Preston is one of the last members of the faction, especially when Raiders came and forced his group to hole up in the Museum of Freedom(?). The good benefit of the Minutemen is that their artillery can cover 90% of the WHOLE MAP. If you have all settlements liberated, that is.
@@CGHawkatoo you mean the artillery that dosnt come until after you've already killed all the enemies.if your lucky it hits a random car and blows up. Looks cool. But never kills anything effectively.
Preston: Don’t think the Minutemen will standby and let you bring more misery to the commonwealth! Me: you didn’t hesitate to standby while I did all the work putting the Minutemen back together?
I absolutely hate this entire "conflict". It isn't written well to be a real conflict and you cant do much about it. The entire premise of Nuka World is to get to be a baddie. Not a racist Bastard like the BOS, not a Institute Overlord, no misguided Railroader, no a real egomaniac the wasteland logically would create, especially with your backstory. So why in god's name, did they decide to give you neither the chance to go against the minutemen or to be friendly with Preston again? I only took one 3 settlements. Three of my own 30 god damn settlements. I took them by paying everyone involved damn good money and noone was hurt. Later on I killed all 3 raider gangs. When I returned to Preston, I got this resction. The fuck? I saved that guys life, saved his sorry little excuse of a mission at the beginning of the game, I rebuilt the minutemen, I am his general and I led the nicest raiders in the world, before killing them all, for the sake of them still being raiders and freed the vendors, creating a second Diamond City in Nuka World. Why does he hate me? I really dont get that. Also, how the hell did he find out? The whole ordeal is immersion breaking ans it makes the minutemen an even dumber faction. If no consequences are involved and you cant do anything to right your mistake, then they should just not make that a story in the first place. Preston is mad at you? Okay, then he might shoot you. Maybe he get's you kicked out of the minutemen, maybe he can be convinced to go evil too or maybe you can appease him with words and convince him (either by lying or telling the truth) that you are not evil. All of those could be short micro quests or just short interactions, done without much effort. His reaction not changing based upon your action just shows that Nuka World was not very well planned.
I could maybe understand him not attacking if you apologise and such or kill the gangs but you threatening and him bending over? Fuck no! Your general has become the enemy! You have to take her down and establish a new general!
To be fair, he'll eventually tell you that after the last leader of the Minutemen was killed, the entire faction fell to pieces, and Preston himself was legit on the verge of giving up, not caring if he lived nor died...
I did help them. I cleansed them of all lazy settlers, then I put up my beacon and recruited new, better, settlers. Loyal settlers, that would go where I told them. And like it.
Preston: “You are everything my organization, personal beliefs, and very being to live stands against and strides to protect against. The uttering of but your name is an insult to the Minutemen and we hold you with such a strong aversion that we view you as the very personification of all that is evil in the Commonwealth.” Also Preston: “You’re still our General tho, btw another settlement need our help. Here let me mark it on your map.” I mean really why can’t there be punishment for my actions in this game, it’s like Bethesda was afraid of punishing us.
Why does the game need to punish you? Punish yourself. Just don't talk to Preston anymore. What about people who don't know what they're doing? What if someone really liked the minutemen but didn't realize that doing the raider stuff would lock you out of interacting with them? They'd be screwed. Either they'd have to load back hours to an earlier save, if it even exists by that point. Or start all over.
@@Kjf365 Yes, punish yourself, play with yourself, and then why do I need a game? I can just turn on my imagination, no need to spend money and sit at the computer. The second part of your comment is some kind of ignorance, because that's how consequences work.
@@tutejsyja7198 People like you are so confusing. You ask for more freedom in an RPG and then you say your ideal scenario is to literally restrict what you can do. How does that make any sense? You want more of a time incentive to play the main story, but fundamentally the way the game is says that you could completely ignore the main story and do what you want. You have so much freedom to do what you choose in these games. With minimal restrictions. The game doesn't need to hold your hand and create the game you want. You can do it yourself. Do you not want to be the guy who decides the fate of the wasteland? Ignore the main story. If you don't want to be the Dragonborn hero of legend and only a war hero of the empire? Just go straight to solitude and never tell the Jarl of whiterun about the Dragon threat. The only limits are the ones you place yourself. Why is that not an interesting prospect to you?
"I can't trust you like that again" Said the man who trusted you enough to make you the unopposed leader of his entire faction about an hour after learning your first name
Fallout 4's gameplay makes a few decisions like that seem really stupid yeah lol. Canonical story wise, I imagine how they thought it should play out is. Sole survivor helps Preston, goes back to sanctuary with them, helps them set up some food, water, beds, and defense. Preston mentions the another settlement needs help, and the sole survivors agrees to go help. A few days or a day later, they return, the settlement has been helped, agreed to join the group that was 1 man from dying, and knowing he's a soldier, not a leader, offers this person who is pretty much his last hope of rebuilding the group he idolized as a child the role of leader after seeing them willing to take charge and actually put in the effort to help people in need at the risk of their own life, fighting off an entire gang of raiders single handedly or with Codsworth or Dogmeat, to help someone just because it's the right thing. Gameplay wise it's just walk to this somewhat close by area, shoot up a few low level raiders, now he likes you. They also wait until his LAST companion conversation for him to explain why you were so important to him. Dude was borderline suicidal and this person who is basically the embodiment of the ideals of the minutemen shows up to save him and the people he wanted to protect. They wrote him like you'd write a character in a book or movie, where pacing and stuff are important, but in a game where you can do stuff in a day and killing 20 raiders in a heavily guarded factory is no big deal it seems silly. My last thing I'd say is, when he promoted you to general, he did put his trust in you, you agreed to become general, and he believed you'd follow through, now he sees it's a mistake and won't ever be able to believe in you again. Anyways, this shit is so poorly written for a video game where you can massacre the people he sent you to help and he just never brings it up.
Preston: "There's a settlement that needs our help. I marked it on your map." Lone Survivor: "...That's the settlement I just raided." Preston: *Pauses. Looks at the map. Looks at The General. Looks back at the map. Squints.* Preston: "...ssshhhiiiiiiiEEEEEEEEEEEEET~"
How? They’re barely a faction you have to even look at. If this joke of a group ruins your experience I think that speaks more about you than about the minutemen
Thats why I wipe them out and make Garvey an NPC you can kill. They're easily the weakest faction and you can tell they designed around their weapon. Some idiot was like "so we have this laser musket very cool lol but should we just make an entire faction based around that and nothing else?" "What do they do?" "The same shit over and over but we'l push the idea that they're pure." "Are they?" "Who cares! Musket lasers!!"
you can just leave preston and them in the museum, if you never go in after him the minutemen mostly don't exist... mostly. maybe you will see a few of them running around certain areas, but you don't need to get involved with them. you rescue all the settlements for yourself basically, about the only things you miss out on is having dogmeat actually named, the perception bobble head, and a bit of xp (you don't get the mission from sturges to fix up sanctuary) i'm not sure if you can go into the museum but not actually rescue them somehow, if you can and get the bobble head then leave, that would be great... granted with mods pretty much anything is possible. (unless you play on ps4)
Preston: You joined a faction that prey on the innocent and the weak throughout the Commonwealth, anyways there's another settlement that needs our help, here, I'll mark it on your map.
It was just his computer trying to understand good ol bethesda logic. Your the leader of raiders and general of people meant to stop raiders but the worst thing the minutemen can do to you is be butthurt and say you cant be their friend.
Alternate world where Bethesda makes you have consequences for your actions: Preston and every single Minuteman turns hostile and guns you down on sight.
Sole Survivor in this alternate world: I should have pissed Preston off a lot sooner, the Minutemen are actually getting off their asses and doing shit.
The real problem is that the minutemen and Preston serve basically the same role as Yes Man from NV, you also can't lock yourself out of that quest line but no one complains about that. The reason being Bethesda doesn't understand how to write a neutral independent faction and so you get this. It doesn't help that they put the minutemen up front and center right at the beginning of the game where as you are introduced to Yes Man after you've gotten a feel for the other factions so the glaring restrictions of the game are much more noticeable.
@@colinelmer2340 maybe cause it doesn't sound like the usual REEEEEEEEEE you get from more annoying fans? Idk just a guess but it might still be pretty REEEEEEEEEE. Lol
All they had to do was not make the minutemen “saviors of the commonwealth”. They could just be the faction that are loyal to you because you helped them when they needed help. Even though that means you have to help them it makes no difference from when you had to do what Yes Man said in Mew Vegas. This way you make the minutemen what you want them to be, Heroes, raiders, mercenaries, businessmen running caravan networks.
@@precision0037 you're right, pretty much this. Just make them an army of yes men who follow your orders. The whole savior complex is just dumb and unnecessary. Just make them people banding together because it's a natural thing to do, no need to be heavy handed about it. They could have written them as just people trying to get by and they just so happen to look to you as the leader because you saved them, as you said, so whatever choices you make they're all for it because it's for their own benefit at the end of the day. Instead you get Preston who comes off as a self righteous a** and the writing just doesn't mesh well with certain RP styles.
the difference is, is that Yes Man is programmed to always be by your side both in-lore and outside the Minutemen aren't programmed to be always be by your side in-lore, however...
This video has everything, from betrayal, mission clearing, Mama Murphy hammering in the background to the icing of the cake: "At least it's not raining"
For real. If they’re going to add a DLC that directly opposes the main faction of the game, then they may as well go all the way and let us deal with the Commonwealth through the Raiders rather than the Minutemen
Can't cause the minutemen are the Yes Man of 4. They have to exist and be sided with you so you can't softlock yourself out of the main quest. Of course, if they made it to where nuka world was only available after the main quest had been finished, then they'd have a way to theoretically turn the minutemen against you
@@cosmicdisaster02 They could have at LEAST made the raiders the yesman of fallout 4 instead. Get on their bad side, you may have to fight a few of them but fear keeps them in line and willing to fight for you. It makes more sense to me at least...
@@cosmicdisaster02 I honestly believe you can punish a player without soft locking them. The minutemen serve their purpose but there can be ways to punish people without completely killing the minutemen. Maybe Garvey leaves and takes X people with him, or you lose X settlements
the virgin: "for the commonwealth sake i hope you change you mind" the chad: "Mark my words, you piece of sh!t. This is the last time you will ever refuse to perform an order I’ve given you. If you meant what you said, you best be on your way, and at good speed. And forget all that I could have given you. If you ever - ever - disobey me again, I will order my Praetorians to hack you to death with their machetes for my entertainment."
The fallout 4 problem: Everyone wants to be your friend, there only few irreversible decisions and most of them are heavily stream lined. Good ol new vegas.
I’m sorry Preston but I’m with the cool kids now. They treat me like a real general and when I need their help they actually help unlike you and your minutemen guys needing a flare in the sky and not seeing it.
What the fuck? Preston went from wanting to kill the Sole Survivor to not only accepting the Sole Survivor of being a Raider but still wanting to follow the Sole Survivor's orders. If this was Fallout: New Vegas or Fallout 3 this conversation would've ended with a gruesome shoot out.
@hell Choices mattering more WOULD be great. But honestly, Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game. And man, does Fallout 3 overall feel gray and boring in comparison, after 4 hours of gameplay. I can appreciate the classic feel, but it just feels empty. Have been thinking of trying new vegas though.
@hell I never played Fallout 3, I played bits and pieces of it back in the game. but all I remember about it was I got very bored and didn't pick the game back up lol, so I forgot all about it years later. now New Vegas alot of people say that one is pretty good, but I never played that one at all, so Fallout 4 is really my first full experience. now not new to playing Bethesda games since I have played The Elder Scrolls Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, but the Fallout games I only hear other people talk about. I'll say this much, I like Fallout 4, but I will say Bethesda missed an opportunity to basically have an option to be able to turn on Preston and the settlers. because if I can turn on other groups anytime I want, why can't I do that with them. I would say that's the only disappointing aspect of the game, everything else is fine.
@@mr.midgardville you find fallout 3 boring now a days probably because of the graphics or gameplay obviously you’re gonna enjoy fallout 4 better if you haven’t played any other games, but what he means in consequences is that in fallout 3 or new Vegas the different choices you have are awesome you could blow up a WHOLE town and the whole world would react to it and you could have different options to go about doing the bomb quest ,when in fallout 4 theirs nothing really eventful you can do it doesn’t really feel real if you know what I mean
@@User-yz7wm Yeah. I get ya. It's true. I bombed the town in Fallout 3 and did some other things. But it just felt pretty quickly like, i was walking around with barely anything. Makes sense for a wasteland i suppose. Lol. Maybe i gave up too fast. I don't know.
@@mr.midgardville also in fallout new Vegas you could Sabotage this guys drug stash and make him over dose , and you could also side w the bad guys at the beginning of the game and kill everyone And take over the town just endless options of choices , where in fallout 4 like it’s not as many choices as the dialogue is limited as well
Preston: "Our friendship is over!" Character: "Hey good news! That settlement is A-ok!" Preston: "Oh shit that's so fucking good, you're my best friend!"
This is why I play Nukaworld before I join up with any of the main factions. Usually right after I kill Kellogg for story reasons, I figured after getting revenge and finding out his/her son is in the institute Sole survivor would probably go on a bit of a Nihilistic tear before eventually getting his shit together.
It sucks that they didn't let you go full evil: Shaun is disgusted that his father is a degenerate. The BOS see you as no different than a talking ghoul, and the minutemen shoot on sight. It kinda makes sense for the Railroad not to care as much bc they'd be the most desperate for real help but they wouldn't ever make you leader you'd be kept on a short leash.
whats always bugged me is how the fact that his WIFE WAS MURDERED is always glossed over..even worse is that subjectively to the LS it happened just before waking up..some lazy ass writing todd..
If Bethesda wrote New Vegas, Arcade would let you balls deep into him while you're both activating Archimedes and waving the flag of the Legion at the same time while you see [Arcade disliked that] appear on the corner of your screen.
I remember moving everyone from settlements that were kinda already shitty, just about 3 people, a bed, and some gourds or something. Then, id raid said settlement. Preston was mad at me for nothing, i simply occupied an otherwise unoccupied space. The settlers got to move to a more built up and defended settlement while my raiders got to practically double the count of the land and actually build it up for themselves, learning to farm and do other settling tasks. It worked out really well, tbh.
Todd, it's okay for real consequences to exist in games, not just awkward dialogue that tiptoes around conflict. Conflict is real and so is consequence, and adding those elements is gripping, not subversive. Add them back Todd. Let us be morally bad for the true immersion of freedom. Freedom of choice doesn't care about morales, but it accelerates a narrative. Don't you remember what fallout is all about? Don't you Todd?
@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 Really? Fallout 3 was a good loot shooter, but a horrible, *horrible* RPG, way worse than Fallout 4. Most of the time the story happened around you. While you just happened to be there. You could say you weren't even the main character. Your father was. I mean. What meaningful choices do you have in that game?
@@groerhahn225 Fallout 3 was a horrible RPG but I'd argue it's still a better RPG than 4 is. 4 had very limited choices that albeit lead to more endings than 3, but 3 atleast maintained core RPG aspects like S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and skills.
@@groerhahn225 Fallout 3 was a horrible RPG but I'd argue it's still a better RPG than 4 is. 4 had very limited choices that albeit lead to more endings than 3, but 3 atleast maintained core RPG aspects like S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and skills.
This is too funny, it sounds like a boyfriend catching his cheating girlfriend instead of, you know, a powerful general turning into a bloodthirsty raider leader.
Here's how the game should've handled joining the raiders: Joining the raiders results in every previous settlement, the Railroad, the Brotherhood and Preston Garvey(who is now killable) hostile to you(afterall, you're an enslaving warlord and a rival now). You can get to the Institute with the Raiders, and choose to either abandon the raiders for the Institute or enslave the scientists to work for Nuka-World. Raiders will now use institute weapons and armor, with their own variations depending on the raider faction. If you somehow manage to piss off everyone, the game will inform you that you can no longer finish the game with this save and that you'll need to reload a previous save if you want to beat the game. Would that have been so hard Bethesda?
@@Minchken Fallout is supposed to be a rpg, not an open world call of duty game. Being able to make choices and have consequences for those choices should have been in the game.
@@Minchken How do you figure that? The Fallout games have always had choices that if you weren't careful could easily screw you out of certain ends if not immediately lead to a game over. Why should 4 be any different.
@@Minchken That's the point. Joining a faction that everyone hates should result in everyone hating you. Thus resulting in a game over state. Flashback to Morrowind where you could kill crucial NPCs and the game would tell you that you'd doomed the world you were now in, and could choose to either persist or load back.
Fallout 1 and 2 player: I messed up so bad that the game became almost unwinnable, even resulting in everyone in my vault or tribe dying esp when I betrayed them. Fallout 4 Player: So, I joined the raiders and have done unspeakable things to innocent people. Minutemen second in command: You betrayed the entire commonwealth by becoming the very thing you promised to destroy. I never want to speak with you again, our friendship is over but also you can say the General of the Minutemen we will all keep taking your orders and there is a settlement that needs your help. I'll mark it on your map. So this is what playing a game with no consequences is like. Where you can basically become the Hitler of the wasteland while also simultaneously still in charge of the people trying to defend it and all that happens is you get scolded by one of your subordinates. Brilliant. So I guess the sole survivor just endlessly toys with the Commonwealth building, raiding/destroying and rebuilding settlements and everyone is not only aware of this, but is okay to just mildly annoyed with it. Bethesda Game Studios, everyone!
One thing that is really mind boggling is if you make any sort of criticism about Fallout 4 or any other recent Bugthesda game on Reddit or any other typical site on the internet people just start REEEEEing like crazy. They still defend the games even if you make great examples (with proof) on why their games are bad. Bethesda fans are so damn delusional that it is quite sad that they actually believe these games are good. Most of them will never experience a quality game like New Vegas or the classic Fallout games made by Interplay. But to be fair they probably don't have the attention span to get through those so called "Old and outdated games."
@@CynicalAnomaly205 Don't get me wrong, there is good in FO4, interesting ideas and game mechanics, the writing is just terrible and a lot of it is because Bethesda is coddling the players so much, like they have zero confidence most of their player base won't rage quit the first time one of their decisions has consequences. I don't think you can even get cut off from the other factions in FO4 until near the end of the game when the story suddenly forces this to be case. They have hold your hand by telling you "if you do this you can't complete any of the other quest lines".
@@CynicalAnomaly205There goes another Classic Fallout elitist acting like he is better than everyone else and not toxic in the slightest. We're defending the games because we're tired of you sheeple constantly shitting on them every five minutes and also telling us what we can and can't like. Just let us enjoy the games we want to enjoy and leave us alone, for fucks sake.
@@CynicalAnomaly205I mean I started playing it a couple days ago and it doest seem so bad, sure there seems to be some stuff that needs improvement but the main thing people say about the game is “missed opportunities” which means the game isn’t bad it just could’ve been better if they did this. But I think it’s a pretty good game
After beating the game with the brotherhood ending, knight Ryhs very somberly apologized to me and told me he understood and was willing to take any punitive action against him. I told him not to worry about it it. I talk to him immediately after and he says something like “why am i looking at you, you have a job to go do. Get lost”
This actually could've been an awesome subplot. The main flaw of the Minutemen in-universe is that their democratic nature makes them divided and that their loyalty can be questionable when things get tough. At the beginning of the game they'd almost been destroyed and had most of their men desert because of that. So, this would've been a great opportunity to have a civil war within the Minutemen as some of them remain loyal to the Sole Survivor as leader and are willing to work with the raiders, and others follow Garvey. Finally do something interesting with this lackluster lazy knockoff of the NCR.
It could've also led to another ending, like if you merge both sides of the Minutemen together and renounce the raider beliefs, or roll with them. Or if you destroyed the Minutemen who followed Garvey, and kill Garvey with what your heart desires. Hell, they did that with Dead Money, even with Lonesome Road in some ways, and Old World Blues. Why couldn't they do that with Fallout 4 when it came to stuff like Far Harbor, Nuka-World, Automatron, and other DLCs.. Oh right.. That's because they're shit.
Fallout New Vegas style: Garvey: I can't believe you sided with those raiders who prey on people we're trying to save! The Courier: The only reason you're both with me is because you're still useful.
Ah yes Preston not having the testicular fortitude to either A. Leave the commonwealth out of disgust and distain for the player B. Being an actual man and going out guns blazing for his beliefs Preston deserves gamma male status because he would fold the instant a beta shows up
"You've crossed the line general! here I'll mark it on your map"
kek
UNDERRATED LMFAO
😂😂
That would be a badass line
"You've betrayed everything we stand for, but also thanks."
For someone who's supposed to be your subordinate, Preston sure does order you around a lot.
I mean, how else are you gonna get quests? You can't just give them to yourself.
@@filthycasual8187 You should be able to. That’s what makes Fallout 4 not a true RPG
Technically, he's not. Minute Men are supposed to be a militia, which isn't the same as a military outfit. It's really more like a gang that has quasi-noble intentions.
There's actually quite a bit of history of that here in the States; early militia during the Revolutionary War had almost exactly this kind of weird infighting/co-fighting dynamic.
@@cmatrix4761 except the minutemen clearly had at least a basic chain of command. A general. You are the general and the clear leader of the minutemen. Garvey is your subordinate
@@Engieman909
You are a general adventurer with super powers,by which I mean you have Perks that others do not.
Preston can feel that,and he knows about your adventuring,so why not use that?
Preston: I’ll follow your orders as a loyal Minuteman, but our friendship is over! 😡
Sole Survivor: I helped a settlement.
Preston: 🤠
Typical Bethesda logic
LMFAOO LEGENDARY
Worst Fallout game. Even worse than 76, and that's a low bar.
@@thisisaname5589nah heavy disagree. I love Fallout games and I think 4 is really good except with their main story/faction mechanics.
76 is the worst and that is coming from a dude with nearly 95 hours into it.
@@fistfightersclub A roleplaying game with bad story/faction mechanics is a terrible roleplaying game. If you want a game with bad story and good mechanics, play Mario or something.
Everyone knows 76 is bad, and that's why it's not *AS* bad. People will make false excuses for 4, which lowers the standards for every other game across the board. It is worse.
"you've crossed the line, general. there's something I can't forgive"
[proceeds to forgive]
He couldn't forgive but he clearly forgot.
If this was Fallout NV there would be a straight up war after that dialogue.
Definitely
Sole Survivor: "I joined the rai-"
Preston: *WHAT?! OH THAT'S IT! YOU ARE DEAD!*
@@zvenafnazbalji7539 the Caesar has marked you for death and the legion obeys
Facts
Facts bro
"I hate you."
"I like you, good job."
"Nice weather eh?"
At least it's not raining.
*proceed to eat a bowl of noodles while standing near a pile of radioactive waste*
You too.
Have you heard about the brotherhood of high steel elves?
They circled back to Oblivion speech.
The Sole Survivor burned Preston, first with threats and then with searing lasers. Preston fell, covered in blood, betrayed by his very General. His dreams dashed, life’s work a mockery. He couldn’t look at his General, now enemy and soon to be killer. Instead, he gazed at the sky.
“At least it’s not raining.”
**coughs blood** "I'll see you in hell, General... Let me... mark it... on your map..."
@@dreadpenguinlord340 lol
*Cait walks by*
“We’d move faster if you kept your eyes on the road and off me arse.”
Plot twist, a rad storm rolls by.
*proceeds to rain, because I have a mod turned on that makes it rain when he says that lol*
"At least it's not raining."
I fucking lost it LMFAO
Imagine if instead of this, once you sided with the raiders Preston told you off, and left the settlement. Soon, you'd get notifications that the minute men, are trying to reclaim/take over your raider settlements, and soon there is a sidequest to eventually kill Preston.
That would've been cool, they could've made preston 'unkillable' until a certain quest triggered.
Ya. That would have required some basic talent in the studio unfortunately. Which they haven't had for years. It's why they gotta resell a game at full price and they justify it by adding in content made by random people. I bet those mod authors aren't going to see a dime either.
@@SMACKu2b To be fair, they did try to make a way for mod authors to get paid directly for their work by the player, but that wasn’t exactly popular among players
That could’ve been cool, like certain parts of the game eventually become locked or unlocked that would be awesome actually
Anything that would have made it possible to kill Preston... would have been amazing
@@bobbyferg9173 nexus always had donations. Betheada didnt need to try to get them paid, the best modders were getting paid for their work through donation.
Preston: There's some things I just can't forgive >:(
Preston two seconds later: U-unless you wanna still help us, it's not like I have a settlement that needs your help or anything
B-b-baka!
The prestudere
Utes papers, please
Doesn't that speak to how good of a person he is? He wants to still believe in you and is trying to give you a chance. The minutemen still need you if you're willing to help.
@@Kjf365 Sure, you could spin it that way. The dialogue doesn't reflect that in my opinion.
The fact that the minutemen HAVE to exist as a fall-back faction in Fallout 4 if you decide to piss everyone off is a symptom of Bethesda writing, and as such it's baffling in a way that they designed a DLC around joining raiders and helping them prosper when their core game's defacto faction revolves around really, REALLY hating raiders.
Everything going on in this scene is just so quintessential Fallout 4 lol, the goofy outfits, the old time music, the deafening generator, all together with the serious relationship altering conversation juxtaposed immediately after by the clipping audio of generic radiant quest completion banter *chef kiss* It’s like modern art.
Surrealism that would make André Breton proud
It's like when that snarky brotherhood dude tells you to clean out the Commonwealth when you are a Paladin. Like... Know your place!
"At least it ain't raining" really got me.
Fr
"I'll let you know if there are any settlements that need your help". I'm sure you will Garvey, I'm sure you will...
Damn Right he will 😅or id put him in he's place I've had to before he may not agree with some of my decisions but he keeps he's shit dry and tight 😅😅 and obeys orders me macready cait and hancock are running things in the common wealth preston is just my information guy for my outposts or settlements I prefer outposts 😅
At least its not raining
Lol plot twist, he does.
Wonder when this whole settlement fetish of his started up. I must predate the Quincy Massacre, right? Or did he arrive at Sanctuary and then out of fucking nowhere he was all "Mmmm! Luv me some settlements!"?
F ing Wanker wont go out there him self
The whole “Minutemen are the failsafe” isn’t the only reason the game forces you into them. It’s because Bethesda forced this settlement system into an RPG, and so much of it hangs on what you do with the Minutemen. The BoS hardly does anything with settlements. The Institute doesn’t do a damn thing, and neither does the Railroad. What they should have done is implement the raider system into the main game from the start, rather than forcing it on you in a DLC that many would have started after being mostly done with the game.
Bethesda should have done a lot of things “from the start” with this game. So many bad choices and missed opportunities. That’s what happens when you get writers who don’t understand or care about the source material, and make decisions only for the sake of impressing the big wigs and for marketing.
The settlement system was just a bad idea in the first place. There’s is physically no way of inserting a ton of fully player customizable locations that produce infinite amounts of materials without it being an absolutely exploit, glitch, and bug riddled nightmare. Not to mention since there’s no real building physics in this engine you can build things that ruin immersion or look downright ridiculous. This system so obviously put a massive strain on development time, considering that it effectively works as a replacement for towns and cities (when in no way it works as a replacement) and that so many story elements and mechanics were just left on the drawing board.
They should promote the guy who wrote Far Harbor to write the next Fallout game
I feel like the settlement system could have been so neat if they actually wanted to put work in to seem like they care. Instead, they rushed out an extremely unoptimized mess and then expects the players to just be okay with it. It could have been really cool. They bungled it so hard.
@@ociferit’s strange how much effort they put into the settlement system and then essentially lock it behind one faction. Sure, you can “claim” settlements for other factions, but there’s no real story significance (outside of the safehouses). Maybe if each faction had a different way of doing settlements?
Maybe for the Brotherhood, you can claim “outposts” which naturally have higher defense numbers than usual settlements, but exclude ghoul and synth settlers, decreasing overall settler count.
The institute can try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the commonwealth (if you’re trying to do a “good institute” thing). Due to their technological advancements, you’d have higher food and water resource counts, but the stigma that the institute holds leads to overall lower settlement happiness.
Railroad is the most difficult, as their whole “in the shadows” ideology goes against public settlements. But perhaps when the institute is destroyed they may become a more public organization. If so, perhaps an expansion to the safehouse system that they already have would be good.
That leaves the minuteman as a “middle ground” option where they don’t have the benefits nor the downsides of the other factions, allowing for the minutemen to be the most flexible.
@@MothmanOfficialWvaeven just trying to build anything has many issues. So many times that I can’t snap together pieces that are the same (like the same exact wall piece that is supposed to snap to another one)
Preston carried out justice like he was the UN; a very very *very* angry letter...at his most mad.
Ah yes. Here again is FO4 not having the balls to actualy cut you out of certain ways to play, even if you keep talking smack to the faction members and standing against everything they want...
It's because the minutemen are the failsafe option so you can always get an ending. Kill the railroad, brotherhood and institute on first sight? No problem, you can still nuke the institute with the minutemen even if you also first start raiding the commonwealth as overboss.
@@frisianmouve
I am aware of this. And it is a poor way of handling things! If you tell everyone to get fucked, you should get treated accordingly. Have an anarchy ending or whatever. But that is a problem of FO4 as a whole
The failsafe option should have been integrated into Diamond City. There's enough people and strength there that they could have been an appropriate fallback if you ran foul of every other faction while also being versatile enough to align themselves with any of the factions.
Good Minuteman run? Diamond City supports them. Enemy of Minutemen? Well the real Minutemen ended at Quincy, Preston is just a pretender, but Diamond City endures without them.
Good BOS run? They're strong and can help bring order to the Commonwealth. Enemies? They're thugs who only want to strip mine it, they need to be repelled.
Align with or destroy Institute? The kidnappings and raids on settlements will stop, either way.
Railroad is clowntown, no one wants to play them. But still I'm sure Piper and Nick think they're alright.
"With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created."
of course
typical bethesda garbage
Preston: “Our friendship is over”
FINALLY
And then, it's back to talking about helping settlements, like nothing ever happened... xC
@@themanicfiddler1152
Preston: “Hey general, listen I don’t want to be friends anymore. I think it’s time we go separate ways…………………….Also there’s a settlement that needs you to do all the work for them like they’re helpless toddlers, I’ll mark it on your map”
we are the gunerrs hood of steel
"Wait, we had a Friendship?"
Me as Negan: Cool. Meet my new girl Lucille.
Basically he says “You’re not my buddy, friend.”
You're not my friend, guy.
@StankleDankens yoooouu're noooot my buuuddddyyyy, fweeeeeeennd!
@@vsgfilmgroup I'm not your guy, pal.
@@kevinbagwell7780 Someone actually said as much before deleting the comment, for some reason.
Underrated comment
He's basically a dirty politician. He says "we help" when in reality it's just you doing all the dirty work while they enjoy the spoils
Bethesda writing at its worst. Instead of immediately shooting you, he talks and talks and even keeps obeying orders even though you clearly joined a group he despise! It's as if in Fallout: New Vegas the NCR would happily work with you even though you massacred their men by order of Caesar just 30 minutes before.
Honestly, they should've written in a raider ending for the main game added by Nuka World and make Preston non-essential once you've reached this point in the game. Hell, depending on where you're at in the game, there could even be a mission where you and your raiders storm the Castle and you potentially have to face your own defenses from before.
dont compare things to new vegas, it is not a good example compared to actual rpgs
Actually you can do that just so long as no one sees you doing it.
@@Xunizal When fallout 4 came out and I got it almost straight away, I was super disappointed that you couldn't help the raiders attacking the minutemen at the beginning. In the original fallout games you can side with the bad guys, which is why I like them more. It almost feels like bethesda don't know what an rpg is.
it's because the minutemen are clearly supposed to be the yes-man equivalent: a faction you'll always have, so you can't get locked out of the ending
"You can still turn back"
Yeah, 'cause F4 had no consequences.
It's funny to me that you guys ask for more choice and your solution is to restrict your choices further. I see mods for Skyrim that have you pick a class at the start and it forever locks any other unrelated skill trees. In this situation you'd rather be permanently locked out of interacting with Preston and the minutemen because of this. If you want consequences then make them using your honor. Don't talk to Preston anymore. Don't invest in certain skill trees. It's as simple as that. Why does the game need to do it for you? What about people who don't care about the game punishing you for stuff? What if those people don't know doing something will permanently lock them out of doing things? Then they're screwed. Maybe they really wanted to do both of those things but now they are unable. That doesn't sound fun to me.
@@Kjf365 Because it makes the world feel fake and artificial, fallout 4 doesn't feel like an actual rpg, it just feels like an open world game with rpg stats. I don't think you can compare a mod that locks you out of skill trees to this.
@@Kjf365 in real life, choices have consequences. Like people writing you off as a monster for poor choices. In this, nothing is ever not available, making your decisions much less meaningful. Get it? Is that hard for you to grasp?
@@pderham26 This isn't real life though. It's a video game about an out of time survivor of the apocalypse being the most useful person alive. And this did have a consequence. You were now locked out of having a friendship with Preston and thus you couldn't get his perk. As for him leaving the door open should you want to redeem yourself, why would you actively make enemies with the single most dangerous person in the wasteland? That's simultaneously signing your death warrant, and cutting yourself off from the one guy who can actually get things done. Preston saw firsthand what you could do at the start of the game. Him turning on you would be as much dissonance as in Skyrim when you kill a dragon in 3 hits wearing daedric armor with several daedric artifacts on your hip and a random thief has the audacity to try and rob you.
@@Kjf365 Why should realism in character interaction not be something they strive for just because it's about a dude surviving the apocalypse? You are stumbling through writing reasons for something after you decided it's okay. You should not "want to redeem yourself". You should want to do whatever you want. And you should be able, like in reality, to make choices which limit or expand your options. In this case allying yourself with raiders and bringing them to the Commonwealth should make the minutemen your enemies regardless of the BS you just spewed about character skills. Your character is not supposed to be treated like wasteland Jesus. Just a competent guy. You even played NV?
Even Oblivion NPC dialogue isn't as confusing as this whole ordeal.
"Bugs, bugs everywhere. Wonderful tasty bugs. No time for you, talk to Ravel, he doesn't like the bugs, not even with mead." - That one Oblivion guy. (Legit my favourite quote in the whole game).
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker todd when the QA testers have complaints
I've always subscribed to the theory that Preston is another would be gang leader who realized that the best way to take over was to wrap it in the window dressing of the Minutemen. He found a disoriented Vault survivor with advanced pre-war technical skills and installed him (or her) as the figurehead "General" while giving orders from behind the scenes, and sending his catspaw out to eliminate all the competition.
See it is stuff like this that would actually make sense in the Fallout world and it's why we never got even close to any of it with Bethesda, and only got glimpses with NV (which could have been an absolutely masterpiece of a game if it had not been treated like a side project.) Fallout 3 and 4 is not really Fallout. The Minutemen are literally just Boston- revolutionary war-muskets!
@@TNAROHfanhey! Fallout 3 is great, minus. The face you have to help the brotherhood
@@krle7970 lmao. Enjoy your bethesda slop then.
@@mimir4965 laughing my ass off
I have been since 2008😁
there is no "fallout" your refering to anymore sadly most people just play 4 and 76 maybe new vegas but they never touch the first games which are more story and narrative driven@@TNAROHfan
He just doesn't understand that you're trying to pull a Palpatine to unify the Commonwealth
I love democracy
The Commonwealth... will be reorganised... into the FIRST... AMERICAN EMPIRE.
@@hutchy1k94 God bless America, and no one else!
I am the Commonwealth!
Soon... we shall have... peace.
How one is able to see out of that raider helmet is the greatest mystery in the Fallout universe.
*Nisha walking to lamp post*
There's a complex set of tiny mirrors inside.
Least it's not as bad as modern Halo helmets.
Its like a vr headset they gave to tilt there head back
Fallout Raider version of the Apple VR
If Bethesda actually cared about consequences, they would've let you be hostile with the minutemen and add the option of doing the main quest with the Nuka World raiders instead.
Joing the raiders actually both locked you out of and kicked you out of the minutemen when the DLC was initially released. The feature was removed because they didnt include a new ending with the raiders and you could potentially get locked out of finishing the game.
Preston: "Wait, who are you again?"
SS: "I'm...your general?"
Preston: "Aw, no way! I'm honoured to finally meet you...You're with the Brotherhood of Steel? We could use able bodied soldiers like you to help the Minutemen back to its feet, if you're willing to help."
SS: "Preston, what the fuck!?"
Sturges: "Aw crap, the wiring must've gotten knocked around in him again. Hang on, I'll try to get him fixed for ya. Wonder how long he's been tangled like that, last time he went a whole year before we realized his hand switched all joint function to the wrong direction, didn't slow him down much, but damn was it weird watching him try to pick up a glass of water."
SS: "HE'S A SYNTH!?"
Sturges: "Don't be silly, he's just a modified protectron that we dressed to look like a person."
(The camera pans back to Preston, revealing that he's just a protectron in a hat and trenchcoat wearing an Obama mask)
😂
Like it's just a spy tf2 mask but obama's face lmao
Lol
Garvey trusted you, i thought i could too, so why in bloody hell does the raiders know you?!
I was young and patriotic
Cod reference?
Garvey is a coward, he should be the faction leader of the Minutemen but decides to toss the responsibility on you a fish of water vet, who knows nothing about the minutemen or the current postwar world, while he plays minutemen puppet master behind the scenes. He's the one that gives you minute men missions not the other way around, so he's really the boss.
You were the General! Meant to destroy the Raiders, not join them! To cleanse the Commonwealth, not leave it forever stained!
@@SagaciousNihilist he is pretending to be gage
He makes u the face that people are mad at while hes making the decisions
Preston when you're a raider: >:(
But you also helped a settlement: :O
Settlement cannot be unhappy if not alive
soft-hearted devil
@@mrfootfxtish9430 settlement cannot pay tribute to their liege, eh iI meant give help to the Minutemen if dead.
at least it's not raining
"Our fearless leader has betrayed everything we fought and died for, but at least it's not raining."
No Preston. I will never again do a single settlement quest ever again.
Original Fallout: "did you look at me the wrong way, boy? You just lost the whole Brotherhood of Steel quest line. Permanently"
Fallout 4: "I literally sacked and enslaved settlements, I've killed their protectors, I've destroyed everything you stand for and I also talk shit to you"
"Huh? Nasty... Anyway, another settlement needs your help"
For those who don't know what he's referencing, the Head Paladin in Fallout 1 will literally kick you out of the Lost Hills bunker and strip you of your BOS membership if you are disrespectful towards him, or enter his room unannounced multiple times. You'll never be able to get back into the bunker (without use of force). He will do this, even AFTER you went through all the trouble to venture into the glow and bring back an artifact for the Brotherhood, and even STILL after you've defeated either Mariposa or the Master (one or the other, once you do both the game is over).
Because if the og fallout was so good black isle wouldn't go bankrupt
@@russianhat7725 Bro, company get money when they make games which is every couple of so years and spent money on every single day
Thats just dumb to think that company with good games will never go bankrupt , also just because they went upside down doesn't mean their work is invalid and bad its actually a very good (not perfect) RPG because it actually plays like in a DnD game which give you the limitless choices.
@@russianhat7725 Not to mention the fact that the computer video games industry was still a very niche thing when the first Fallout game came out, however it was so good that even multiple non-gaming centralized magazines would feature it as one of the greatest games of all time.
But yeah, keep shilling for Beth. Whoops, I mean Microsoft, since Bethesda sold their entire company to Microsoft. If Fallout 4 was so god why would they have to do that, Russian Hat?
@Luke Morgan It was still sold. If they were doing so great that they didn't need a company to continually finance them, they wouldn't have sold to Microsoft. It would be stupid to give most of your profits to another company when you're doing more than well by yourself.
The Minutemen had such great inspiration and then Bethesda just makes them one guy who makes the player do everything and then Preston acts like there is some faction of Minutemen changing the world.
They’re*
@@JJ_Jonah ...what? Where is this "they are" supposed to fit?
If you've actually played the game (or at least watched the gamplay), you'll learn that Preston is one of the last members of the faction, especially when Raiders came and forced his group to hole up in the Museum of Freedom(?).
The good benefit of the Minutemen is that their artillery can cover 90% of the WHOLE MAP. If you have all settlements liberated, that is.
@@CGHawkatoo the artillery is useless anyways
@@CGHawkatoo you mean the artillery that dosnt come until after you've already killed all the enemies.if your lucky it hits a random car and blows up. Looks cool. But never kills anything effectively.
Preston: Don’t think the Minutemen will standby and let you bring more misery to the commonwealth!
Me: you didn’t hesitate to standby while I did all the work putting the Minutemen back together?
I absolutely hate this entire "conflict". It isn't written well to be a real conflict and you cant do much about it. The entire premise of Nuka World is to get to be a baddie. Not a racist Bastard like the BOS, not a Institute Overlord, no misguided Railroader, no a real egomaniac the wasteland logically would create, especially with your backstory. So why in god's name, did they decide to give you neither the chance to go against the minutemen or to be friendly with Preston again?
I only took one 3 settlements. Three of my own 30 god damn settlements. I took them by paying everyone involved damn good money and noone was hurt. Later on I killed all 3 raider gangs. When I returned to Preston, I got this resction. The fuck? I saved that guys life, saved his sorry little excuse of a mission at the beginning of the game, I rebuilt the minutemen, I am his general and I led the nicest raiders in the world, before killing them all, for the sake of them still being raiders and freed the vendors, creating a second Diamond City in Nuka World. Why does he hate me? I really dont get that. Also, how the hell did he find out? The whole ordeal is immersion breaking ans it makes the minutemen an even dumber faction. If no consequences are involved and you cant do anything to right your mistake, then they should just not make that a story in the first place.
Preston is mad at you? Okay, then he might shoot you. Maybe he get's you kicked out of the minutemen, maybe he can be convinced to go evil too or maybe you can appease him with words and convince him (either by lying or telling the truth) that you are not evil. All of those could be short micro quests or just short interactions, done without much effort. His reaction not changing based upon your action just shows that Nuka World was not very well planned.
"At least it's not raining." Perfect concluding words.
Preston has NO spine! No wonder he didn’t lead the Minutemen himself.
I could maybe understand him not attacking if you apologise and such or kill the gangs but you threatening and him bending over? Fuck no! Your general has become the enemy! You have to take her down and establish a new general!
Really? Give me any fallout 4 npc who has spine. All off them are plastic puppets that's all.
To be fair, he'll eventually tell you that after the last leader of the Minutemen was killed, the entire faction fell to pieces, and Preston himself was legit on the verge of giving up, not caring if he lived nor died...
@@craig3077Paladin Danse 🗿
@@craig3077Hancock, Kellogg, X6-88, strong, cait or piper.. lol
YOU WERE MEANT TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HELP THE SETTLEMENTS I MARKED ON YOUR MAP, NOT LEAVE THEM IN DARKNESS!
I did help them. I cleansed them of all lazy settlers, then I put up my beacon and recruited new, better, settlers. Loyal settlers, that would go where I told them.
And like it.
You asked me to save too many settlements Garvey.
Now i know where they all are.
This is gold lol, with Preston's awesome mafia outfit, the Minutemen radio in the background...
Preston: “You are everything my organization, personal beliefs, and very being to live stands against and strides to protect against. The uttering of but your name is an insult to the Minutemen and we hold you with such a strong aversion that we view you as the very personification of all that is evil in the Commonwealth.”
Also Preston: “You’re still our General tho, btw another settlement need our help. Here let me mark it on your map.”
I mean really why can’t there be punishment for my actions in this game, it’s like Bethesda was afraid of punishing us.
Why does the game need to punish you? Punish yourself. Just don't talk to Preston anymore. What about people who don't know what they're doing? What if someone really liked the minutemen but didn't realize that doing the raider stuff would lock you out of interacting with them? They'd be screwed. Either they'd have to load back hours to an earlier save, if it even exists by that point. Or start all over.
@@Kjf365 Yes, punish yourself, play with yourself, and then why do I need a game? I can just turn on my imagination, no need to spend money and sit at the computer.
The second part of your comment is some kind of ignorance, because that's how consequences work.
@@tutejsyja7198 People like you are so confusing. You ask for more freedom in an RPG and then you say your ideal scenario is to literally restrict what you can do. How does that make any sense? You want more of a time incentive to play the main story, but fundamentally the way the game is says that you could completely ignore the main story and do what you want. You have so much freedom to do what you choose in these games. With minimal restrictions. The game doesn't need to hold your hand and create the game you want. You can do it yourself. Do you not want to be the guy who decides the fate of the wasteland? Ignore the main story. If you don't want to be the Dragonborn hero of legend and only a war hero of the empire? Just go straight to solitude and never tell the Jarl of whiterun about the Dragon threat. The only limits are the ones you place yourself. Why is that not an interesting prospect to you?
@@Kjf365 freedom of choice doesn’t matter if those choices have no consequences. I may as well be playing the Sims at that point
@@wrongtime9097 What you're asking for is a linear game with branching story paths. Not an RPG.
Dudes mood legit just turns on a dime.
I’ve known pregnant women and bipolar people with less drastic mood shifts than Garvey’s.
"I can't trust you like that again"
Said the man who trusted you enough to make you the unopposed leader of his entire faction about an hour after learning your first name
Fallout 4's gameplay makes a few decisions like that seem really stupid yeah lol.
Canonical story wise, I imagine how they thought it should play out is. Sole survivor helps Preston, goes back to sanctuary with them, helps them set up some food, water, beds, and defense. Preston mentions the another settlement needs help, and the sole survivors agrees to go help. A few days or a day later, they return, the settlement has been helped, agreed to join the group that was 1 man from dying, and knowing he's a soldier, not a leader, offers this person who is pretty much his last hope of rebuilding the group he idolized as a child the role of leader after seeing them willing to take charge and actually put in the effort to help people in need at the risk of their own life, fighting off an entire gang of raiders single handedly or with Codsworth or Dogmeat, to help someone just because it's the right thing.
Gameplay wise it's just walk to this somewhat close by area, shoot up a few low level raiders, now he likes you.
They also wait until his LAST companion conversation for him to explain why you were so important to him. Dude was borderline suicidal and this person who is basically the embodiment of the ideals of the minutemen shows up to save him and the people he wanted to protect.
They wrote him like you'd write a character in a book or movie, where pacing and stuff are important, but in a game where you can do stuff in a day and killing 20 raiders in a heavily guarded factory is no big deal it seems silly.
My last thing I'd say is, when he promoted you to general, he did put his trust in you, you agreed to become general, and he believed you'd follow through, now he sees it's a mistake and won't ever be able to believe in you again.
Anyways, this shit is so poorly written for a video game where you can massacre the people he sent you to help and he just never brings it up.
Preston: "There's a settlement that needs our help. I marked it on your map."
Lone Survivor: "...That's the settlement I just raided."
Preston: *Pauses. Looks at the map. Looks at The General. Looks back at the map. Squints.*
Preston: "...ssshhhiiiiiiiEEEEEEEEEEEEET~"
It sucks that the Minutemen are invincible. Drags down the game in so many ways.
THERE'S A SETTLEMENT THAT NEEDS OUR HELP. HERE, I'LL MARK IT ON YOUR MAP
How? They’re barely a faction you have to even look at. If this joke of a group ruins your experience I think that speaks more about you than about the minutemen
Thats why I wipe them out and make Garvey an NPC you can kill. They're easily the weakest faction and you can tell they designed around their weapon. Some idiot was like "so we have this laser musket very cool lol but should we just make an entire faction based around that and nothing else?" "What do they do?" "The same shit over and over but we'l push the idea that they're pure." "Are they?" "Who cares! Musket lasers!!"
@@geordiejones5618 I’m convinced this is what happened. They didn’t have any creative factions in mind so, Boston, American revolution, dahh, muskets
you can just leave preston and them in the museum, if you never go in after him the minutemen mostly don't exist... mostly.
maybe you will see a few of them running around certain areas, but you don't need to get involved with them. you rescue all the settlements for yourself basically, about the only things you miss out on is having dogmeat actually named, the perception bobble head, and a bit of xp (you don't get the mission from sturges to fix up sanctuary)
i'm not sure if you can go into the museum but not actually rescue them somehow, if you can and get the bobble head then leave, that would be great... granted with mods pretty much anything is possible. (unless you play on ps4)
Preston: You joined a faction that prey on the innocent and the weak throughout the Commonwealth, anyways there's another settlement that needs our help, here, I'll mark it on your map.
Nora: Hey, raiding settlements is similar to helping them. Just not in a pleasant way.
And he ends with "at least it's not raining"... perfection!
Top tier RPG right there, I could really feel the consequences of my choices
So uh.... How's your computer? cause I think it started melting half way through recording this.
Must be a fucked up audio I really hope he or she can replace it better
It was just his computer trying to understand good ol bethesda logic.
Your the leader of raiders and general of people meant to stop raiders but the worst thing the minutemen can do to you is be butthurt and say you cant be their friend.
Lol
I went to listen to music halfway through because I thought my phone went kaput.
Fallout 4 still runs like garbage if you don't have the right mods installed
Alternate world where Bethesda makes you have consequences for your actions: Preston and every single Minuteman turns hostile and guns you down on sight.
Not only that, but minutemen hit squads start spawning.
Sole Survivor in this alternate world: I should have pissed Preston off a lot sooner, the Minutemen are actually getting off their asses and doing shit.
Please no my modded minutemen are too strong
If they tried that on my current character they'd all be dead.
When you keep screwing up at work but you're the only one that knows how to work the operating system.
“At least it’s not raining”
Hardest I laughed in a while
The real problem is that the minutemen and Preston serve basically the same role as Yes Man from NV, you also can't lock yourself out of that quest line but no one complains about that. The reason being Bethesda doesn't understand how to write a neutral independent faction and so you get this. It doesn't help that they put the minutemen up front and center right at the beginning of the game where as you are introduced to Yes Man after you've gotten a feel for the other factions so the glaring restrictions of the game are much more noticeable.
I've never played a fallout game why did I read this
@@colinelmer2340 maybe cause it doesn't sound like the usual REEEEEEEEEE you get from more annoying fans? Idk just a guess but it might still be pretty REEEEEEEEEE. Lol
All they had to do was not make the minutemen “saviors of the commonwealth”. They could just be the faction that are loyal to you because you helped them when they needed help. Even though that means you have to help them it makes no difference from when you had to do what Yes Man said in Mew Vegas. This way you make the minutemen what you want them to be, Heroes, raiders, mercenaries, businessmen running caravan networks.
@@precision0037 you're right, pretty much this. Just make them an army of yes men who follow your orders. The whole savior complex is just dumb and unnecessary. Just make them people banding together because it's a natural thing to do, no need to be heavy handed about it. They could have written them as just people trying to get by and they just so happen to look to you as the leader because you saved them, as you said, so whatever choices you make they're all for it because it's for their own benefit at the end of the day. Instead you get Preston who comes off as a self righteous a** and the writing just doesn't mesh well with certain RP styles.
the difference is, is that Yes Man is programmed to always be by your side both in-lore and outside
the Minutemen aren't programmed to be always be by your side in-lore, however...
Main reason I don't like fallout 4 is the way the play everything so damn safe.
This video has everything, from betrayal, mission clearing, Mama Murphy hammering in the background to the icing of the cake: "At least it's not raining"
I can't wait to see what kind of ridiculous dialog we get in Starfield.
I remember what is was like to dream. Then the dark days came
"At least it's not raining"
The game memes itself.
That's the most Preston Garvey thing he could have said.
"Well at least it's not raining."
*Gets stabbed in the kidney and has wallet stolen*
@@swat_ape3920 Britain
@@user-bz3nk8rm1u family guy.
He's said that during a rainstorm before in my game.
Bethesda need to be more willing to punish the player for this kind of thing.
For real. If they’re going to add a DLC that directly opposes the main faction of the game, then they may as well go all the way and let us deal with the Commonwealth through the Raiders rather than the Minutemen
Can't cause the minutemen are the Yes Man of 4. They have to exist and be sided with you so you can't softlock yourself out of the main quest. Of course, if they made it to where nuka world was only available after the main quest had been finished, then they'd have a way to theoretically turn the minutemen against you
@@cosmicdisaster02 They could have at LEAST made the raiders the yesman of fallout 4 instead. Get on their bad side, you may have to fight a few of them but fear keeps them in line and willing to fight for you. It makes more sense to me at least...
@@cosmicdisaster02 I honestly believe you can punish a player without soft locking them. The minutemen serve their purpose but there can be ways to punish people without completely killing the minutemen. Maybe Garvey leaves and takes X people with him, or you lose X settlements
Why would I want to be punished?
Oh man, such drama, very conflict.
Great writing, Bethesda. Just brilliant
👏👏👏
It just works.
the virgin:
"for the commonwealth sake i hope you change you mind"
the chad:
"Mark my words, you piece of sh!t. This is the last time you will ever refuse to perform an order I’ve given you. If you meant what you said, you best be on your way, and at good speed. And forget all that I could have given you. If you ever - ever - disobey me again, I will order my Praetorians to hack you to death with their machetes for my entertainment."
Boy, that de-escalated quickly!
The fallout 4 problem: Everyone wants to be your friend, there only few irreversible decisions and most of them are heavily stream lined.
Good ol new vegas.
I’m sorry Preston but I’m with the cool kids now. They treat me like a real general and when I need their help they actually help unlike you and your minutemen guys needing a flare in the sky and not seeing it.
"At least its not raining"
"We're never going to be friends again!"
"A NEW SETTLEMENT?!? THAT'S GREAT NE-"
This man got Preston looking like Carl Johnson from Grove-Street…I cant..
Lol
What the fuck? Preston went from wanting to kill the Sole Survivor to not only accepting the Sole Survivor of being a Raider but still wanting to follow the Sole Survivor's orders.
If this was Fallout: New Vegas or Fallout 3 this conversation would've ended with a gruesome shoot out.
@hell Choices mattering more WOULD be great. But honestly, Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game. And man, does Fallout 3 overall feel gray and boring in comparison, after 4 hours of gameplay. I can appreciate the classic feel, but it just feels empty. Have been thinking of trying new vegas though.
@hell I never played Fallout 3, I played bits and pieces of it back in the game. but all I remember about it was I got very bored and didn't pick the game back up lol, so I forgot all about it years later. now New Vegas alot of people say that one is pretty good, but I never played that one at all, so Fallout 4 is really my first full experience. now not new to playing Bethesda games since I have played The Elder Scrolls Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, but the Fallout games I only hear other people talk about. I'll say this much, I like Fallout 4, but I will say Bethesda missed an opportunity to basically have an option to be able to turn on Preston and the settlers. because if I can turn on other groups anytime I want, why can't I do that with them. I would say that's the only disappointing aspect of the game, everything else is fine.
@@mr.midgardville you find fallout 3 boring now a days probably because of the graphics or gameplay obviously you’re gonna enjoy fallout 4 better if you haven’t played any other games, but what he means in consequences is that in fallout 3 or new Vegas the different choices you have are awesome you could blow up a WHOLE town and the whole world would react to it and you could have different options to go about doing the bomb quest ,when in fallout 4 theirs nothing really eventful you can do it doesn’t really feel real if you know what I mean
@@User-yz7wm Yeah. I get ya. It's true. I bombed the town in Fallout 3 and did some other things. But it just felt pretty quickly like, i was walking around with barely anything. Makes sense for a wasteland i suppose. Lol. Maybe i gave up too fast. I don't know.
@@mr.midgardville also in fallout new Vegas you could Sabotage this guys drug stash and make him over dose , and you could also side w the bad guys at the beginning of the game and kill everyone And take over the town just endless options of choices , where in fallout 4 like it’s not as many choices as the dialogue is limited as well
Preston: "Our friendship is over!"
Character: "Hey good news! That settlement is A-ok!"
Preston: "Oh shit that's so fucking good, you're my best friend!"
My man did a 180
@@thomasmanning2939: Best games ever, lmao. I hate that the Settlers are the only ones who stay pissed off.
At least it’s not raining is the best line of this whole video. 😂😂😂
I always loved that about Bethesda games.. It really adds to the comedy
This is why I play Nukaworld before I join up with any of the main factions. Usually right after I kill Kellogg for story reasons, I figured after getting revenge and finding out his/her son is in the institute Sole survivor would probably go on a bit of a Nihilistic tear before eventually getting his shit together.
It sucks that they didn't let you go full evil: Shaun is disgusted that his father is a degenerate. The BOS see you as no different than a talking ghoul, and the minutemen shoot on sight. It kinda makes sense for the Railroad not to care as much bc they'd be the most desperate for real help but they wouldn't ever make you leader you'd be kept on a short leash.
@@geordiejones5618 you wrote better faction relations in one paragraph than Bethesda. To be fair, they didn’t set the bar very high
whats always bugged me is how the fact that his WIFE WAS MURDERED is always glossed over..even worse is that subjectively to the LS it happened just before waking up..some lazy ass writing todd..
If Bethesda wrote New Vegas, Arcade would let you balls deep into him while you're both activating Archimedes and waving the flag of the Legion at the same time while you see [Arcade disliked that] appear on the corner of your screen.
ngl i wouldn't mind being balls deep in arcade
@@steelpython6634 Hello based department?
NV sucks anyway
@@milazapallo8995 😂 oh I bet you think skyrim or fallout 3 are better don't you
@@rogue6685 they absolutely are
Ahhh, professional writing and planning 5/5
I was not expecting that quick change of mind 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The cherry on the top of the cake is when he says “at least is not raining”
Sole Survivor: Becomes a Raider Overboss
Preston Garvey: Oh no! Anyways I heard of a settlement that needs our help. I'll mark it on your map.
“One more thing, i’ll mark it on your map.”
Raiders needed help, so I took his advice and helped anyone that needed it
"You've lost my trust, I won't hesitate to fire on you if the need arises."
*Five seconds later
"I'll still follow your orders."
You can't be the bad guy when Bethesda writes the story.
love how his eyes lit up when you mentioned a settlement
He ALMOST had character development
I remember moving everyone from settlements that were kinda already shitty, just about 3 people, a bed, and some gourds or something. Then, id raid said settlement. Preston was mad at me for nothing, i simply occupied an otherwise unoccupied space. The settlers got to move to a more built up and defended settlement while my raiders got to practically double the count of the land and actually build it up for themselves, learning to farm and do other settling tasks. It worked out really well, tbh.
I mean, you're STILL giving raiders land
@@TheMasterUnity eh, raiders, minutemen 2.0, potato tomato
@@korvincarry3268 eh brotherhood, rail road apples and bananas
If f4 wasn't such a trash game that'd actually work really well
Todd, it's okay for real consequences to exist in games, not just awkward dialogue that tiptoes around conflict. Conflict is real and so is consequence, and adding those elements is gripping, not subversive. Add them back Todd. Let us be morally bad for the true immersion of freedom. Freedom of choice doesn't care about morales, but it accelerates a narrative. Don't you remember what fallout is all about? Don't you Todd?
No, he doesn't, because Todd didn't make Fallout. His studio bought a license and he remade an old property.
@@RavemastaJ True but they did make Fallout 3, which while not as good as New Vegas was still better than 4.
@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 Really? Fallout 3 was a good loot shooter, but a horrible, *horrible* RPG, way worse than Fallout 4. Most of the time the story happened around you. While you just happened to be there. You could say you weren't even the main character. Your father was. I mean. What meaningful choices do you have in that game?
@@groerhahn225 Fallout 3 was a horrible RPG but I'd argue it's still a better RPG than 4 is. 4 had very limited choices that albeit lead to more endings than 3, but 3 atleast maintained core RPG aspects like S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and skills.
@@groerhahn225 Fallout 3 was a horrible RPG but I'd argue it's still a better RPG than 4 is. 4 had very limited choices that albeit lead to more endings than 3, but 3 atleast maintained core RPG aspects like S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and skills.
That "At least it's not raining" at the end cracked me up for some reason.
The real mystery of the apocalypse is how Preston keeps such a crispy line up
Dude this guy is just the biggest meme seriously 😂
This is too funny, it sounds like a boyfriend catching his cheating girlfriend instead of, you know, a powerful general turning into a bloodthirsty raider leader.
Preston is like the “I’m calling about your extended warranty” guy
Omg lol love it how preston went from i cant believe your one of them to great soon we will being helping people all over the commonwealth
Here's how the game should've handled joining the raiders:
Joining the raiders results in every previous settlement, the Railroad, the Brotherhood and Preston Garvey(who is now killable) hostile to you(afterall, you're an enslaving warlord and a rival now).
You can get to the Institute with the Raiders, and choose to either abandon the raiders for the Institute or enslave the scientists to work for Nuka-World. Raiders will now use institute weapons and armor, with their own variations depending on the raider faction.
If you somehow manage to piss off everyone, the game will inform you that you can no longer finish the game with this save and that you'll need to reload a previous save if you want to beat the game. Would that have been so hard Bethesda?
That would have completely ruined the game.
@@Minchken Fallout is supposed to be a rpg, not an open world call of duty game. Being able to make choices and have consequences for those choices should have been in the game.
@@Minchken How do you figure that? The Fallout games have always had choices that if you weren't careful could easily screw you out of certain ends if not immediately lead to a game over. Why should 4 be any different.
@@Minchken That's the point. Joining a faction that everyone hates should result in everyone hating you. Thus resulting in a game over state. Flashback to Morrowind where you could kill crucial NPCs and the game would tell you that you'd doomed the world you were now in, and could choose to either persist or load back.
Why? Why are you... expecting so much? Can't you see? There's no hope. They always played save. Unless they matured, there's nothing we can do.
Fallout 1 and 2 player: I messed up so bad that the game became almost unwinnable, even resulting in everyone in my vault or tribe dying esp when I betrayed them.
Fallout 4 Player: So, I joined the raiders and have done unspeakable things to innocent people.
Minutemen second in command: You betrayed the entire commonwealth by becoming the very thing you promised to destroy. I never want to speak with you again, our friendship is over but also you can say the General of the Minutemen we will all keep taking your orders and there is a settlement that needs your help. I'll mark it on your map.
So this is what playing a game with no consequences is like. Where you can basically become the Hitler of the wasteland while also simultaneously still in charge of the people trying to defend it and all that happens is you get scolded by one of your subordinates. Brilliant. So I guess the sole survivor just endlessly toys with the Commonwealth building, raiding/destroying and rebuilding settlements and everyone is not only aware of this, but is okay to just mildly annoyed with it.
Bethesda Game Studios, everyone!
Sounds Like the Commonwealth is the hell, and the player is the punishmente all those who reach there has to suffer for the rest of their existence.
One thing that is really mind boggling is if you make any sort of criticism about Fallout 4 or any other recent Bugthesda game on Reddit or any other typical site on the internet people just start REEEEEing like crazy. They still defend the games even if you make great examples (with proof) on why their games are bad. Bethesda fans are so damn delusional that it is quite sad that they actually believe these games are good. Most of them will never experience a quality game like New Vegas or the classic Fallout games made by Interplay. But to be fair they probably don't have the attention span to get through those so called "Old and outdated games."
@@CynicalAnomaly205
Don't get me wrong, there is good in FO4, interesting ideas and game mechanics, the writing is just terrible and a lot of it is because Bethesda is coddling the players so much, like they have zero confidence most of their player base won't rage quit the first time one of their decisions has consequences. I don't think you can even get cut off from the other factions in FO4 until near the end of the game when the story suddenly forces this to be case. They have hold your hand by telling you "if you do this you can't complete any of the other quest lines".
@@CynicalAnomaly205There goes another Classic Fallout elitist acting like he is better than everyone else and not toxic in the slightest. We're defending the games because we're tired of you sheeple constantly shitting on them every five minutes and also telling us what we can and can't like. Just let us enjoy the games we want to enjoy and leave us alone, for fucks sake.
@@CynicalAnomaly205I mean I started playing it a couple days ago and it doest seem so bad, sure there seems to be some stuff that needs improvement but the main thing people say about the game is “missed opportunities” which means the game isn’t bad it just could’ve been better if they did this. But I think it’s a pretty good game
Got this dialogue and then straight after got the "ok general we're all here ready to recapture the castle"
this is the most emotion i think i've seen from preston ._.
After beating the game with the brotherhood ending, knight Ryhs very somberly apologized to me and told me he understood and was willing to take any punitive action against him. I told him not to worry about it it. I talk to him immediately after and he says something like “why am i looking at you, you have a job to go do. Get lost”
Rank: Sentinel
*gets shit talked by a Knight*
This actually could've been an awesome subplot. The main flaw of the Minutemen in-universe is that their democratic nature makes them divided and that their loyalty can be questionable when things get tough. At the beginning of the game they'd almost been destroyed and had most of their men desert because of that.
So, this would've been a great opportunity to have a civil war within the Minutemen as some of them remain loyal to the Sole Survivor as leader and are willing to work with the raiders, and others follow Garvey. Finally do something interesting with this lackluster lazy knockoff of the NCR.
It could've also led to another ending, like if you merge both sides of the Minutemen together and renounce the raider beliefs, or roll with them. Or if you destroyed the Minutemen who followed Garvey, and kill Garvey with what your heart desires. Hell, they did that with Dead Money, even with Lonesome Road in some ways, and Old World Blues. Why couldn't they do that with Fallout 4 when it came to stuff like Far Harbor, Nuka-World, Automatron, and other DLCs.. Oh right.. That's because they're shit.
Losing your allegiance to the Minutemen and Preston is like getting rid of two cold sores, it’s an amazing feeling.
Fallout New Vegas style:
Garvey: I can't believe you sided with those raiders who prey on people we're trying to save!
The Courier: The only reason you're both with me is because you're still useful.
Ah those conversation choices
Yes
Enthusiastic yes
Sarcastic yes
No(yes)
Best in the series 👍
@@FlyingPaladin hell nah
@@user-ms5tq1dh7i hell yah
No (yes later)
Ah yes Preston not having the testicular fortitude to either
A. Leave the commonwealth out of disgust and distain for the player
B. Being an actual man and going out guns blazing for his beliefs
Preston deserves gamma male status because he would fold the instant a beta shows up
“Imagine using beta male unironically” - sigma male
@@nickr8662 what a beta thing to say
You will NEVER understand the sigma grind
@@beetle149 You puny sigmas are always worrying about other people's problems, you will never understand what it means to be an omega male.
Preston Garvey is dressed like a lawyer who's about to win me a settlement.
The atleast its not raining at the end was the cherry on top 😂