Carving and Minting Custom Coins at Home!
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This project taught us a LOT. We learned how to make metal engravers from scratch, harden and soften steel by heating it and cooling it differently, engrave metal by hand, AND mint coins.
We also learned how to explode a coin mint with a 10-pound sledge hammer. Which was... unfortunate... 🤣
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Brass and other non-ferrous metals react the opposite of steel/iron in a quench. It softens instead of hardens. Heat the brass up until a dull red and drop it into water. That will anneal the brass and make cutting easier. Once you get the blanks smooth you repeat the heat and quench. You'll get much crisper lines and less damage to your dies. Then you temper in about 300 degrees and let cool to harden/temper.
That is a GREAT tip. I will give that a shot!
@@SkillTree Post a followup some time, so we can see the results.
The quench soften works for brass and most bronze. But for most it isn't the quench but the heating phase. The lower heat to harden only for some alloys, such as aluminum with a little copper. Heat treatment can get complicated, with lots of variations by what alloy is involved.
Interesting case, aluminum bronze with enough aluminum quench hardens. Less aluminum and it quench softens like most bronze.
Years ago I went to my first Ren Faire, and there was a crew striking and selling bronze coins with designs you could choose from.
They had removeable/ replaceable dies in a wooden block almost exactly like your setup. The force was applied by a steel weight that looked to be about three pounds dropped along a sort of guillotine frame thingy. The drop was about four feet.
A home setup could be reduced to a heavy slug of steel dropped through a piece of PVC pipe that fits over the top die. No extra construction required!
mint is my fav flavour of coin
I was always a fan of boysenberry flavor myself…
Now you've got me daydreaming about Andes mint chocolate coins.
Especially in light of Living Anachronism's recent video on medicinal plants.
What would you do for a Klondike coin
I have a 10 ton manual arbor press from harbor freight that could actually press the dies into the coins without relying on the hammer. You could most definitely get a smaller like 2 ton bench arbor press for cheaper and that could do all kinds of things that would replace the unreliable hits of a hammer. 👍 Thanks for the videos that I watch in my shop while I work!
I had no idea what an arbor press was, but that is a great idea. They don't seem to be too expensive either.
£60 for a ton? As an impractical and unnecessary hobby tool, that's not even too expensive.
All i hear is " i want it" 😊@@m__y-t-s
@@m__y-t-s got a bunch of cheap ones here in the US, especially second hand, but I make armor with solid rivets so it's a life saver to just use that instead of hand hammering a thousand rivets.
If you want to be cheap put the dies on a jack and jack up your car lol.
For the block, I would suggest looking up medieval/renaissance coin smithing. I would explain, but what I saw was years ago so my memory isn’t good enough to give a good explanation. But I think they have what you may be looking for.
Also, they used a sheet of metal and a punch to cut out the blanks. Almost like cutting out cookies if the dough was metal and the cookie cutter needed a hammer to get through. So nothing like cookies.
I dunno man I'm pretty bad at cookies.
"Gyllene Hjorten", Sweden's first LARP group (this was back in the 80s...), minted their own coins. Copper, silver, and gold (in small and large, to make things easier). Yup, they were, and still are, worth real money... And they look amazing! The newly minted ones look shiny!
I will have to look that up!!
Damn Gyllene hjorten was before i eaven had heard about larps here in Sweden.. are they still active somewhere? The oldest home minted coin i have ever seen in a Swedish larp setting was some KIR coins 😂 (i have only been larping for 17 years)
Idea: Put the jig between a set of rails with a 10lb weight mounted to the rails and just drop it straight down.
Build a drop hammer. Build a wooden frame to hold your base with the dies centered below a lifted weight that you can lift and drop directly on your coin blanks. Easy, inexpensive and repeatable. Charge others to use with a selection of dies they pick the two sides insert the blanks, lift and drop. They have their own coin.
The dragon has returned. I see coins, I click. I'm glad Maddie thought of keying the dies, that's something I've been puzzling over how to accomplish for a while.
The problem now is that I have too many ongoing projects...
To make a keyed Block to put your dies in, use 1" ID steal pipe and cut a slot in it
*Steel. Steal means to take something that isn't yours. #boneappletea
Hi, I'm a member of the SCA, and I've been involved with a Guild that makes coins using techniques based on medieval methods. Engraving like this is one way of putting a pattern into the face of a die, but another useful method you might consider trying is using punches. You can make a huge variety of shapes, from simple geometric shapes like triangles, to complex ones like a fluer-de-lis, and as long as the punch is harder than the steel of the die the shape can be tapped into the die face with a fairly small hammer.
For the coin blanks, I would suggest starting with sheets of whatever metal you want to strike (copper, brass, etc.) If the sheet is soft/annealed, you can cut out coin blanks with a good set of metal shears. Also, annealed coin blanks make for easier striking. Our guild was able to get good strikes in copper using a 5-8 lb. sledge hammer. Our go-to metal for coins, though, is pewter. It's dead-soft so it's much easier to strike, the scraps can easily be melted down and re-used since it has a low melting point (for awhile we melted our scrap pewter in an iron pot on a wood stove), and it is a pretty good simulation of silver.
Lead free solid solder is basically pewter, so it's a good place to get the metal.
Another point to consider is that coins used to be almost paper thin. So, you can make a lot more coins than you would think, with the amount of metal available. Cutting slices of round stock loses a lot in waste.
Another source of coin blanks that come ready made is washers. Yes, they have a hole in the middle, but so do/did a lot of coins. People would put them on a cord, rather than a pouch. Meaning, a coin could become an amulet very simply.
@@jeffeppenbach you can also get very thin metal discs real cheap. I got some years ago, because I wanted to try minting, yet I never actually did. Maybe I give it another try.
the bandsaw you have is probably too fast, which is what chewed up the blades. Most metal bandsaws run WAY slower than the slowest speed on a wood bandsaw
Oooh, that is super good to know!
Proper coolant or cutting fluid will make your blades last longer too
@@SkillTree if you want to try it, you can use a small portable bandsaw and convert it to operate like a benchtop saw. Adam Savage did a video on his a while back I believe. I have a larger metal saw in my shop, but I wish I had the smaller one instead lol
@@SkillTree You can "mimic" the slower speed of a metal saw by slowing down the material feed rate. (Push the work into the blade slower) Downsides being slower progress and more heat build-up. If you're patient just slow down the feed and dunk the work into water every 5-8 seconds. Machine-oil dripped/wiped on the blade (An old solder brush works well) will help cool & reduce galling as well.
@@BeatsNotBears I came here to say exactly this. Cutting fluid is a gamechanger.
The classic "If it does not work, get a bigger hammer." it still might not work. But it does help relieve stress. 😁
6:20 look up "poor man's mill". There is something like a double roller setup that you can set up that gives you the accuracy of what you just did, but allows the file teeth to roll instead of bite into the vice jaws and remove material over time.
I totally want to make challenge coins for my D&D group to give as gifts when we finish our current campaign. It's been going for over 7 years.
This would also be good for keeping track of things like inspiration. Maybe 1 type of coin for inspiration, and 1 special coin good for this session only. A super inspiration awarded for the best DnD snack/ DM bribe.
I always wanted to try metal engraving and I think you have shown me a way I can now make my trademark press. My Bind-ruin
You could almost run a second channel just focused on the tools you make yourself for these projects. 😁 Always fun to watch you figure this stuff out though and the coins look awesome.👌 Great video guys.
Advice: make the background for the number on the symbol on the bottom right lighter in color so that you can see the number better.
3 minutes in, and Cl3ver just casually explained how to temper steel
Just be aware that quenching some steels in water can end poorly (as in forming cracks, etc.). For tool steels, a slower quenching medium such as oil is generally recommended to avoid those potential issues.
You didn't already know?
Very cool projects, you could also look into a getting a (smallish) fly press, you could make an easy jig and would be infinitely easier and repeatable!
Thanks for this one. I was just thinking about doing this.
Two blocks, each block holds one side of the die. Use rods in the blocks as guides to make sure it doesn't move. Use hammer to strike blocks.
If you make the die block out of plywood it should last longer & resist splitting. Facing it with thin sheet metal screwed in place would help hold it together too. Using an arbour press or hydraulic bottle jack instead of just bashing it with a big hammer will also make your rig last longer and be safer to use. (Less fun, though.)
Love the coins!
I do Medieval coin striking, I use pewter for the coins cut from sheet (1mm) using a fly press and cutting dies (you could use a hydrolic press but it would be much slower) you could also use copper, aluminium or brass and then aneal it. I taper the bottom of the lower die and have a large log with a matching tappered hole drilled in it that the die sits in. The upper die is held in place with thick walled pipe of the right inside diameter to match the outside diameter of the dies. hope thats of use.
I know it's not really the same, but you can buy blanks for engraving tools (? I don't know what the proper Word for "Stichel" is), which you then grind into the right shape for the intended use.
Also, you can set Tools into a wooden handle by burning them in: drill a hole into the handle, that is a bit smaller than the Tang, then you best find something to _really_ securely hold the tool, heat the Tang to a dull glow, and then press the handle onto the Tang, so it burns the needed space into the wood.
None of the Tools I've set this way got loose so far.
Use a steel pipe instead of a wooden block to hold the dies in place when you strike them.
you could replace the block with a offcut of a thick steel pipe. should be plenty strong to handle couple sledge hammer blows
they look awsome, metal coins are so magical
Madi will be so happy you've made more coins!! Detail is awesome.
I love this! The last coin episode was how I was introduced to Skill Tree.
Tip for hand cutting: your hacksaw should be adjustable so you can turn it at least 45° to make it easier to cut like you were!
Out of everything I've seen you do this has to be one of the greatest
Awesome !! Now for a future project you just needed to make a press
You might try a fly press or similar type of repeatable-strike tool.
Probably make the holder block out of cement?????😊keep up the great work ❤❤❤
To hold your dies and coin id try a steel pipe with a slot cut in it for your dowel pins. Slip that pipe into a larger diameter pipe to prevent the smaller one from splitting open. And screw that pipe into a flush mount base. And use 4 screws to mount it to whatever you like. All can be found in the plumbing isle at your local hardware store.
Dude love the video , you should do some coins in a half dollar size. Keep it up man.
And grace note forge made some mandalorian coins with lost wax casting so u could try to do that.
One other option for the hand carving tools is using 3mm nails. They can go through brass real well. Also, a deadblow hammer may be both easier and neater
A fly press or hydraulic press would be fantastic for this.
I believe that the historical way of making planchets is to cast them. Since you have a kiln, I can imagine that this is more feasible.
And I believe that there was at least the variant where a long rod was attached to the tube into which the coin blank and the dies were inserted, which was then held by a second person.
Thanks for this video, by the way. I've been playing with the ide to strike coins for larping for a long time, will probably use the knowledge from the video to try cutting seal dies and above all: instructions on how to build tools yourself are the best videos. You can't make it much easier for your audience to get started with a new technique.
some were cast but more often they were cut from sheet using a tool that was very similar to (although more sturdy than) the hammered type of leather punches.
@@haydneasy9736 Oh right! I remember seeing pictures of the left overs of the sheet. Thank you, I totaly forgot about those. But I never heard of these tools. This has to be quite an efficient process an quite easy to do at home since the invention of hardware stores.
@@balduinvontrier128 even easier with a fly press but they dont come along untill the industrrial revolution!. The offcuts can be gathered and re-melted to produce more sheet so very little waste either, wich is an advantage if you are using silver or gold.
Loved this video!!
I have a request! I run an in-character space at a larp, and i think any ideas you have for ways to decorate a space in larp would be an amazing video!
Really cool stuff. Love your videos! Hope to see more metal work!
For casting coins, lead free pewter amd high heat silicone.
It'd be pretty darn expensive but you could try a screw press or hydraulic press like the small ones that use a car jack. Tho since the pressure it's a lot slower idk if It'd be more effective than the hammer but It'd at least be cleaner
Quench the brass to soften it. Also, for a mental holder you could just weld a piece of 1"ID pipe to whatever slot your anvil takes, usually a 1-2" square. You could always get a bored mechanic to do it for cheap if you don't have a welder.
As for engraving metal, you should get "engineers blue" to make the indentations and scratches more obvious. It's a blue ink that you paint the metal with before marking out. Otherwise, this is a good vid.
Metal*. Thanks autocorrect...
TRF had a great coin mint demo. The only real difference is their hammer and anvil is set up like a guillotine so the hammer drops 20 feet, but it's also on rails so the block holding the coin and dies does not move. I can't recall what the block is made of, but I feel like it's wood? I don't know off hand. But if you get a chance, it's not the only medieval mint around but you could always check one out and refine yer technique. This was very cool, though. Nice gravers.
For your melting idea at the end I recommend 3d printing a tree of coins (for the branches to get to the coins) and sand cast the 3d print then fill the resulting sand cast
The coin video is what pulled me to your channel
Maybe you should look into a diy mini foundry and making your own Nordic Gold alloy for coins. And maybe nickel plating (haven’t you done that?) for silver coins.
In relation to the drill bits segment......you can't quench all steel in water as some steels can get stress fractures if cooled too fast. For the drill bit (unless you know the exact steel) you'd be best to quench in warm oil as it's not as fast as water in cooling down the steel and reduces the risk off stress fractures. Some stainless steels will only quench in air while others will only quench in water and then some will quench in oil.
There are 3 main ways to quench metal each with various options, they are as follows:
- "flowing" air from a fan.....very slow and only works on some steels
- Oil.....not as slow as air but slower then water
- Water....only good for some steels due to the rapid cooling
Each method can be down hot or cold depending on the steel type and what you know about it....i.e hot oil or cold oil. If you are unsure on the exact type off steel your best to start with air and work your way threw to cold water testing after each quench to see if it hardened of not and moving to the next quench medium if it's still soft.
Also, for a blacksmith there is not such thing as tool steel as we can make tools out off any steel. Most blacksmiths make their tongs out off mild/low carbon steel whilst spring makers will tend to make their tongs out off spring steel as it's what they have on hand. A hammer meant for forging hot metal can be softer then a hammer meant to drive a nail into wood and as such can be made from a metal that can't achieve as high of a Rockwell hardness.....I've made a hammer out off a forklift tine as it was more then capable off doing the job intended for that tool but it's too soft to drive nails into wood.
Try using a car jack to press the coins in a die against a hard surface. This will also allow you to manage the pressure giving you the ability to make the imprint as deep or as shallow as you want.
You culd make a dye cutter and make the coins from sheet metal.
I don’t know if it’s been suggested before, but it’d be really cool to see how to make your own leather boots, like from start to finish
Instead of striking, try a small hydraulic press. It will apply a nice steady high pressure without the shock of needing to beat on it. Also, try something softer than brass. Brass is softer than steel but its still pretty hard. Maybe, if possible, bronze or even copper.
You should look into metal casting. By far my favorite way to make coins. A bit labor intensive, but lots of fun.
Edit: Oh, you *do* want to melt metal! Excellent. Be sure to wear PPE, there's lots of good tutorials out there.
100%going to!!!! Can't wait😁
I read this, looked at your name, then laughed! Makes sense!
@@SkillTree Awesome! Can't recommend it enough! Any idea on methodology yet?
Rather than spend all that time keeping your oven on just heat the middle of the drill and as it heats the colours will move up the shaft when the light straw gets to the end quench it job done
Great tip!
portable bandsaw and bi-metal blades that what we use for knifemaking
I'm training as a jeweller so I have access to the blank engraving tool shapes.... If you'd like I can acquire some in different shapes and send them off to you!
Using a hydraulic press rather than a sledge hammer would give you more control. You could probably make one out of a cheap bottle jack.
Next time try a something akin to a book press. It can put a lot of even pressure on the subject more accurately and repeatable.
Cut your sledge handle shorter. Good it with the head about 2 - 3 inches above your hand. Mark the handle with in 3 inches of your elbow.
You won't loose any practical force but will gain much more control when swinging
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A tiny daub in the hole for stuff like your keyholes can ensure that they're permanently affixed, just in case they didn't fully lock in via deformation when peening them!
NOTE: when hand drilling holes, they often come out conical in profile, so the effectiveness of peening can be reduced. In this case that's probably not an issue, but if you need high strength or high accuracy, it very much can be! 😅
coins are awesome! I've been thinking on making ones out of super sculpey or some similar material, since one could strike them with easily made dies, such as 3d printed. adding some mica powder or such and bake them. not really metal, but might be an easy and fast way to make a lot.
look up the medieval guillotine style coin press
Clever, make a treadle hammer and use a 10 lb. hammer to fit over your anvil/ place onto your anvil stand.
Also, please be careful about heating certian metal in enclosed spaces. There's a video called " what not to melt" on CZcams that details fume hazards for metal workers. I recommend watching it.
Use a steel pipe with the proper inner diameter (in this case 1 inch) instead of a wood block.
Then weld a square tube to the side with about 1.5 inches sticking below the bottom to fit in the hardy hole of your anvil, that will keep it in place and give you a firm striking platform so that you arent using the ground.
If you are still wanting a key slot (which yeah, a smart move) then just cut a slot in the length of pipe and weld your square tube on the same side to strenghten the cut.
You don't even need melted metal.
Hot metal bends easier, so you can just heat the coin blanks.
I’m going to send you an E-mail on how you might improve the striking mechanism!
You actually want mineral oil over water, btw - you're less likely to get bubbles of steam that can burn you when quenching metals from high heats.
You could try a hydrolic/hand press to avoid hitting the wooden block and keep the strain on the mint instead of the wood casing
did you anneal the "coin" blanks before stamping they would work better that way and you could also try this with a press instead of a hammer
you should use the hole the anvil has to hold the coins
Next up is to figure out how to use all the colors of the laser engraver
Man I am all for that. It can make some AMAZING colors
@@SkillTree check out the videos on colour engraving that @corinkayaker has put out. He's pulling off colours in brass and titanium that the laser manufacturer couldn't work out how to do! He makes custom hand tools under the name of Niroc Tools which are incredible.
skill tree is the best
Could you make interesting shapes for the coins? Like ovals or polygons of your choice?
Don't try to attach it to the anvil, find a way to attach it to the sledgehammer's head
If you either buy a hydraulic hand cranked press or build a Steele frame with a bottle jack the wood blocks could be used to hold the metal in place and then just use the metal pieces as load bearing surfaces and hydralicly mint your own coins or pendants etc.. its only your fantasy that makes the limits by then.. and i think we all know that it basicly means no limits att all 😂
I half wander about a hydrallic press from harbor frieght.
Nice video!
But wouldn't casting be easyer at that point? XD
I used to mass produce my silver coins before I set this hobby to a pause. Get a nice histrical coin/design a coin with clay. Make sillicone negative. Melt Zinc -> have fun.
These comments are full of smart as hell ppl, dang
Have you thoughts about wax casting
Try HDPE, HIPS or ABS for your block
Would this also work with copper?
Man...once i get the tools to do this I'm gonna make some weird shit
you could have done this with salt water etching too
I have been trying to find a way to make coins that is easy to do since I don't have much to use
Really sad. The discord link is expired. I can't join.
I had the same problem
I think Maddi is in the process of fixing that, but you can just remove the dash and the string of numbers at the end in order to get a working link.
What woulddddd you do for aaaaa Klondike coin
What WOULDN'T I do?
16:00 ... you mean... like a press?
8:51 you migth have been pushing the brass into the blade too fast. I think if you did it slower and let the saw do the work it might be better. Also you probably needed to cool the blade with water or ice somehow to stop it overheating
how about building or buying a press.
How about instead of using a hammer using a hydraulic press? More control.
With the lazer you can encrave tokens Crow can hand out that are 1use minor magical charms.
Glad you worked it out and Fox didn't piss off Lady Crow 😊, have a good vacation.
Sell the láser and buy a press... it is easy that way
Heads or Heads?
Heads.
Cl3ver out here looking for excuses to break things
You could get a power hammer, not sure how expensive they are though😅
Yet another cool project that is impossible to make at home without spending thousands on tools. I really like your creativity and the stuff you make, don't get me wrong. But unless people are willing to spend $10K+ on leather/metal/wood working tools and a bunch of other specialist equipment, these are not projects that people can just do at home. It's kinda annoying how this channel keeps pretending these are easily-done DIYs.
Drill bits (aroumd $20) at harbor freight, a file ($10 or less if you go to a 2nd hand store), the metal used was around $25-$30 per bar on amazon, if you don't have a bench vice, the one I used was from harbor freight and costs around $25. I showed a way with and without fancy tools. So....are we pretending it's easy, or are you giving up before you ever try?
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🤦♂️ as a beginner black smith I can see there’s so many things you got wrong, firstly by not protecting the flutes of the drill bits you drew back the temper across the whole bit not just the back end. That’s fine tho since you’re changing the purpose of the tool. Secondly, NEVER quench in water it’s actually really bad you’re supposed to use a quenching oil that’s been heated to a particular temp (I don’t remember what that temp is tho 🫤) and lastly every steel has a different tempering cycle so unless you have the proper temp for the proper amount of time your tempering process could ruin the steel. No hate intended i just wanted to inform,i love your videos
actually your info on quenching is partially incorrect. water vs oil and the preheat temp depends on what kind of steel you are using. that said on unknown steels oil is the safer choice because it doesn't flash into steam like water does. for those not in the know on blacksmithing, the steam expanding in micro fractures in a piece is what makes it generally not recommended
as an experianced blacksmith of 40 years, if it works for you, do it whatever way does the job.😁