the dragons dogman 2 controversy
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2024
- Dragons dogma 2 is a video game made by cap com
People don’t like the fact it has microtransactions
Other people don’t like the fact that people don’t like the fact that it has microtranscations
I don’t like the fact that people don’t like the fact that people don’t like the fact that it has microtransactions
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no thanks
Just recently gave the first one a try and it's a lot of fun. But yeah I would recommend if you haven't played the earlier title yet.
But I'm poor
0:47 but it really wasn't. It 100% feels like a tacked on feature at the last moment.
The game feels extremely similarly balanced to the first one, which didn't feature microtransactions in any way.
And for fucks sake, it's an option hidden in the main menu. You literally won't even notice it's there.
It isn't a core part of either the gameplay, or the UI.
It's not like you can press Y to fill up your RC if you want to hire a higher level pawn.
You don't have a BUY WAKE STONE NOW!!! +200% VALUE /w Premium Skin
button on the death screen.
It might be the _single_ least intrusive implementation of MTX in _any_ game ever.
Even stuff like PoE, which exclusively visual-only skins in their stire, are more detrimental to the gameplay experiences, because it is a core part of the game.
(Though PoE in particular is F2P, so no hate)
I would bet _a lot_ of money that they also weren't part of the game design stage, but added last minute. Perhaps even after the first review units have been sent out.
I know 90% of these are micro-transactions, but the simple fact that any game has 21 listed DLC on day one is wild
And its something they never mentioned to the public utnil everyone had already bought it, even some reviewers had no idea this was going to be a thing.
It really isn't that bad, though. Everything you can buy with $, you can buy with in-game gold just as easily as in the first game that didn't feature MTX
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Thanks Capcom.
I paid 4.99 to delete your post. But it didn’t seem to work. I guess I’m just screwed now.
If a company is releasing a full priced single player title, it needs to be finished, well opimized, and free of micro transactions. Anything else is unacceptable, and if you disagree you're a sucker.
We used to say the same thing about multiplayer games until they took away the users ability to run dedicated servers. Unfortunately, this sentiment too will probably fall by the wayside eventually.
@@JohnSmith-sk7cg It already did, years ago...
Based.
This comment made me realize how sneaky Nintendo was skirting around the rage of microtransations through Amiibo. Had games like Yoshi’s Wooly World or Super Mario Odyssey given players the option to pay a whopping $15.99 for each single costume, the outrage would have boiled Nintendo alive, but by sticking these features exclusively to their NFC toys they somehow disguised their transactional nature and probably made more money on top of it.
@@johnclark926 At least you're getting official figures that are pretty decent quality. Many of those would probably sell around that price anyway, without the in game functionality
"I just find the hypocrisy...hypocritical."
Poetry.
"You murdered and ate my cat!"
-"Yeah but he built a nice looking wooden fence over there so don't complain okay? Just don't buy cats."
If micro-transactions are needed to cover the cost of development of a $70 product then there really needs some change in how games are made. Definitely gonna hold off on getting Monster Hunter Wilds day 1 despite being a MH fan.
That extra $20 definitely ain't going into the wallets of the developer's themselves that's for sure. All marketing costs.
If we complain when American devs do it, we should complain when Japanese devs do it. It's only fair.
I remain extremely detached from this world. I absolutely need somebody like you to tell me of these things. Thank you.
"if you dont like microtransactions in a singleplayer game then just dont pay for it"
"ok" *pirates game*
"WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT"
No do exactly that. They say all the best things in life are free so give all your beer and your ROMs to me!
The big story is the performance. If it performed well I guarantee people wouldn't be dogpiling on the mtx, not that I'm defending them.
100% guaranteed. People have let far more egregious microtransactions slide without so much as a peep.
Now, suddenly, they're acting like they've had this anti-MTX stance for their entire lives. If they really felt that way, they'd be like me and hate all MTX ever since mobile gaming started to blow up...
100% this.
I am getting horrible performance on Windows, and it's practically unplayable on Linux, for what it's worth.
And the consoles don't fare much better, either.
Couldn't give a Ray's ass about the MTX, because they are:
- hidden in the main menu, meaning you cannot even buy them without having to load back in
- everything is available in-game, and it takes the same effort to get as in the MTX-less DD1
@@hundvd_7 I'd rather the MTX weren't there to maintain the game's integrity, but they're not a dealbreaker for me. What was a dealbreaker was the performance, which turned the game from a day one purchase into a buy months (or years) later on sale game. Killed my hype and I've moved onto other stuff already.
Is it dragon maballs or dogma nutz? That is the real question here.
i came for cupper but found gold
Meh.
I'm so tired you can call me Goku, cause I'm draggin' balls.
Just wait for the fan art and streamers start playing it. Then people will forget.
Glad we went from "$5 horse armor" to "you can buy the ability to customize your character, and to fast travel". MTX is a practice that should've been stomped out years ago, but people kept making excuses for it, and companies kept pushing their limits further and further, until we got to this point. The bad news is that they're gonna keep seeing how far they can go. Things are gonna keep getting worse. Eventually, you won't be able to unlock those features in-game. Eventually, it'll get to the point where you can ONLY access character customization and fast travel if you pay extra for them. Eventually we'll hit a point where we're paying $80-90 for a single player game that'll have $10 DLC to unlock the character creator, and another $10 DLC to unlock the fast travel (with no way to earn these features in-game), and they're be separate DLC to unlock more options for the character creator, and people will still come to it's defense. Probably in the next 10 years.
I wasn't into gaming during the horse armor fiasco but I'm just gonna assume that there were people back then defending it and saying that $5 is nothing and you could just not buy it if you don't like it. Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess if people back then had proper foresight and standards as consumers. Fast forward to today and people seem to have learned nothing. Yeah, you can still fast travel without paying the MTX, but that doesn't lessen the concern that they're there in the first place. At this point, it's not just about how the game is affected, it's about the principle of it all.
Tyler you should at least give drackens doglord 1 a chance. Its got some really satisfying gameplay once you get a feel for the combat
Was that a picture of famed african politician, Adolf Hitler?
The thing about Capcom's take on these specifically is that I'm like 99% sure that unlike most other games that do this (Like AC Odyssey for example), I'm pretty sure these MTX were actually added in at the last possible minute. They've actually been doing this for a few of their recent major releases. A lot of people don't even know that Devil May Cry 5 and Resident Evil 4 Remake had MTX in them despite also being full priced single player games. And chances are if DD2 hadn't had a number of other issues that were preventing people from getting lost in the game, they probably would have overlooked the MTX here as well.
But that said while the game is great and the MTX are relatively inoffensive, I am glad that people are getting mad about them now because I desperately want Capcom to stop doing this. Their games are so good and I want to stop qualify them with "just ignore the MTX thing" and just say they're good
That is what make me confused why this game is what cause the outcry of mtx in capcom games when they have been doing this for a decade from their previous games. From what I can notice the MTX are paying for convenience but even in that situation it would have been better if it didn't exist at all.
@@H0neyB0yI'm guessing cause it's a 70 dollar singleplayer game of a long awaited sequel to a cult classic.
Thanks, this was terrible! 😊
I remember when Dead Space 3 did this and everyone complained about it. Of course, that game was also not very well received.
1. I appreciate the use of Bakshi LotR clips. It's such amazing contrast to the Peter Jackson films and the use of rotoscoping is simply uncanny.
2. My friend has been playing DD2, after being a fan of DD1, and based on what he's told me the microtransactions are as small of a sucker magnet as you can get without just not having it in the game. Almost everything you can buy you can be acquired in like... the first hour of playing; within the realm of Steam Refund policy. Plus the game itself has enough QoL changes that he considers it easier than the first game regardless, though that might be due to having over a decade of Dark Souls experience now. Yeah, Dark Souls was a 2011 game, Demon's Souls was 2009, insane.
So basically this just comes off as incompetent or a cash grab, and neither are appealing to the public. But hey, we got videos of people complaining about it out of the decision, that's just free advertising. It's like a catch-22: do nothing and the money game is bought, or make a stink about the money game and more suckers hear about it and the money game is bought.
They really thought of this since the new game option and how in-depth the character customization is.
The one save file is more of a thing for me but again I wasn't into the first game and the people that wanted the sequel are in general happy that it exists but there are limitations. I think the next Monster Hunter will probably do a system like this as well..
I stopped playing video games years ago. Doesn’t look like I’ve been missing much.
It's wild how it come to prevalence for sigleplayer games since horse armor. It has faced backclashes like previous Capcom title, but not in the same gravity as DD2. mine was the occasional memory leak and bad cpu usage of capcom titles like back MHW (fixed by a mod), RE4, and Rise😅
my name got read WAHOOO!!!
we need to dig deeper
2:41 I wonder what is the name of the nice gentleman representing the hardcore gamers
I am playing Rise of the Ronin instead 😅
I'm playing UNICORN OVERLORD instead 😅
@@da_001 Nice ! The important thing is to have fun. Doesn't matter what you play
i'm still playing dragon's dogma 2😅
Dragon Dogma 1 one u either loved it, or you just played the resident evil 6 demo
Dragons Dogma 1 had them & all Capcom have had it for all theyre games so i don't know what people where expecting.
I definitely agree with the hypocrisy bit. Doc it points, examine if theyre predatory, but dont ask me to be shocked & outraged.
Patience is a superpower.
Dogma Ballz
Capcom genuinely seems to have it out Itsuno. Devil May Cry 4, 5 all got hit with some variation of this, and Dragons Dogma 1 infamously got hit with a truncated development cycle which forced him to cut half the game's content.
It's like they're going outta their way to force him to stop being an artist and be a business man.
The real big story here is Capcom sabotaging mods together with the broken performance and the washed out ugly graphics (much worse on ultrawide since they screwed up the aspect ratio for the vignette).
you need better eyes if you think the graphics are ugly😂
$70+ for a game, plus microtransactions? Yo, Ho, Fiddily, Dee, wonder why piracy is on the rise again...
just pirate the stuff or wait for the goty edition and its on sale idk
Just Pirate the game and Memory Edit the the Micro Transaction Currency in, EZ Clap
Denuvo says hi
@@da_001Empress: "Hold my beer"
@@hayaokakizaki4463 Knowing the type of person Empress is, it's probably "Hold my beer, (insert slur here)."
the fastest video turnaround time it seems
Whimsu - The only man I trust with the correct opinion.
Watching this four minutes long video made me feel like i wasted four years of my life
Wait, people enjoy Assassin Creed games?
I'm playing a family copy. I'm not bothered, since you never see the transactions in game outside of an option to go to the store, underneath the network tab or something. But I also don't like it, as someone who wants to make games, I never want to touch microtransactions. Sequels, if it's good. But, like I said, I just want to play it. It's a little conflicting, but then, it doesn't matter, because I can just keep working toward making a game that does include it. The heat behind both sides caught me off guard. The can of paint.
cant wait to buy the dark arisen version of DD2 with no MTX and extra vocations for 5$ lol, thanks capcum for being relly silly
the worst part of the DD2 “drama” has been gamers reverting to “its about ethics in games journalism” because reviewers never pointed out the MTs. even though they were not in the review code they were sent. but maybe were mentioned in the footnotes of a marketing pdf included in the zip. or something.
I’m tired.
green pendant, blue pendant, etc.
See, the reason why Capcom did this, is because it got user engagement from a survey to Monster Hunter World players. I don't even think they took what people said at face value. They probably just looked at the number of people who did the survey (because MHW was actually a good game) and said "they must want more!"
I genuinely don't give a s**t about the micro transactions. I would like them to add the ability to start a new game and fix some of the performance.
$70 seems like too much money for a niche dragon game I'm probably not going to buy it
When Dogman 2?
My issue aren't the MTXs but rather it's how hypocritical the gaming community/CZcamsrs are being right now.
They're all saying that the MTXs can be ignored as if haven't dumped on Ubisoft, Activision, and Blizzard for having the same optional MTXs.
And don't even get me started on the FPS situation. Gorham Knights and Starfield were crapped on for being 30fps but now all of a sudden 30FPS is acceptable?
Sucks that there's mtx, it obviously shouldn't be in the game I this is something I'm pretty sure we can all I agree on. Same with the piss poor performance and lack of New Game option, but at least those have been addressed. And this is Capcom we're talking about, these past several years for them, basically since RE VII and MHW, have been incredible product after incredible product with numerous performance fixes and post-launch updates. While that still doesn't excuse them (and by them I mean the Capcom at large and not the team that had a direct hand in development) for allowing the performance issues and most likely encouraging mtx judging by what the devs have said and how the first DD was handled, I think the situation's different from an EA or an Ubisoft, or even an Nintendo. There is no constant reminder of a "buy in-game currency now", it's not nearly as predatory as other mtx-heavy games where it's designed to give you FOMO if you don't buy in, and in fact going out of your way to purchase what's being offered would be actively ruining the experience.
Again, I'm not trying to defend Capcom here. Again, it sucks that mtx are even present here. But even games like DMCV let you buy the in-game currency (in this case Red Orbs), actively going against deliberate balancing and difficulty design put forward by the devs. All this seems like to me is you have these games' systems in place and they're finished and all well and good (only referring to gameplay here an not performance here), and then whoever's on the Finances team at Capcom comes along and says "This game needs a way to be more monetizable, make it so players can purchase whatever resource you've made limiting by design" and then they have to do it. To reiterate, this sucks, but to me it's obvious that the game itself, its design, its heart and soul, came first, and came well before any mtx were even considered.
All in all, I'm glad that people are still able to enjoy the game despite it, but the poison that's being spewed from both sides that "the game is another disappointing example of why AAA gaming is dying" and "the game does not deserve to be criticized and you're just overreacting" is only thing that's actually bothering me right now, and I want it to stop.
what does Hitler have to do with this?
He's a hardcore gamer
is it possible that the people complaining about mtx in other games and the people defending mtx in this game are actually not the same people
or that theyre not actually hypocrites, they just only consider mtx an issue if its detrimental to the actual game
I really wish I could just play games without having to deal with the consequences of other people's apathy. I've never been a fan of microtransactions, but every person who has said "oh, it's just $X.XX" over the past decade is the reason they're so popular today. And mobile gaming being a billion dollar industry.
Over tens years I wated and this is how I am repaid. I am not going to be buying this shit no matter what because that would be me admitting theres nothing wrong that happened here and that I want more companies to keep putting in anti consumer features like DRM and MTX no one, even some early reviewers, had any knowledge about before release when they added them during the launch. Theres not gonna be "THEY FIXED IT" or "ITS GOOD NOW" coming from me because this is just another deliberate attempt at seeing if the customer is willing to just give money for a falsely advertised product without complaining.
Personally, I disagree with the notion that "gamers decided it was a good game, so they're defending it" because if anything, its the opposite, DMCV and RE4 had these exact same micro transactions and they received very little backlash because those were highly anticipated and popular, meanw DD2 is the second game in a pretty niche series and this bu far the biggest backlash I've seen against a capcom game in recent years.
Also, I haven't had a chance to play the game myself, but I have played the first game, and from what I've heard, the items that are being sold as DLC are actually EASIER to get than in the first game
It's going to crash, because regardless of fanboyism it's going to get too expensive for too many people (IE a lot of people not on the internet) to bother spending money on.
I personally refuse to buy most new games these days because of all the stupid nonsense that's pulled these days.
People need to realize we don't need new consoles. WE NEED MORE GAMES AND GAMES THAT AREN'T MADE TERRIBLY. It's ridiculous we've had to put up with this for SO LONG. They shouldn't be able to get away with it!
I feel like people complaining about people complaining about MTX are those that bought the game and enjoyed it. Then they see all the negative reviews and they feel like they need to defend it.
I wish people had the maturity to say, "I liked this game, but yes the microtransactions suck and the fact that many people are having problems running it also sucks. Capcom is a shitty company." Then the discussion can actually be on stopping shit like this from happening, so things that suck don't need to. Because everyone hates microtransactions, no one likes spending real world money on virtual items.
Does Dragon's Dogma 2 have Into Free? It's not worth unless it has that song.
I guess capcom is becoming the new EA
We'll have to see, if they start icing all their subsidiaries and new games aren't doing so well then yeahm
Not even close. That's hyperbole
Not yet because Capcom's games are still fun..theyre on their way though
except they make banger games, which makes this all so much more heartbreaking
I mean I still want to get Kunitsu Gami
Dragons Ligma
Yeah, but is the game fun? Because I was looking forward to it and have no clue what the game is like.
get the first one if you're curious. It goes on sale pretty often and has the dlc included
I think a lot of people are pissed on just the idea that Itsuno might of made a bad game
This video makes the mistake of imagining the gaming community as a hivemind where multiple people's different opinions come together to form "hypocrisy". Some people have principles and are balking at pointless MTX in a singleplayer game. Other people don't care because MTX doesn't bother them. That's not hypocrisy. That's two different people with differing philosophies.
dogma what?
ballz
Reddit told me this game is bad so i know it’s bad
I don't give a damn how good Nintendo's games are, I will always hate them for taking down fan projects for no other reason than they can just get away it and people will continue to bend over for Mario's tiny lil mushroom despite the fact that they actually fucking hate their fans more than anyone else
I like how everyone just forgot about how DMCV also had MTX. They're there for the people who were such omega-scrubs that they struggled with the game even on easy mode. I say complain about it all you want. Just don't be that crayon-eater who buys the MTX "ironically" or something.
I think the biggest controversy is that everyone thinks the first game was good
I'd be more inclined to be outraged about the microtransactions if this was, like, a new thing, or if it significantly impacted the gameplay.
But it's not... Capcom has been doing this for years. DMC5, Monster Hunter, all the recent RE games, they've all come with stupid pointless microtransactions for things you can easily get by playing the game. And nobody complained about them before, probably because they're so stupid and worthless your brain didn't even devote synapses to them.
So like, why is this an outrage _now?_ It seems to me like folks are (understandably) mad about the performance and are just looking for other grievances to add on top.
I'm not going to play it simply because it's $70 and has denuvo. Why would I pay that much for something I know is going to run like shit and hamper modding?
Dragons Dogma 2? Mor like Dragons Dogwater
I shall buy the game and buy the beat the game for me pack.
100 percent cost extra, shucks.
Mind you, this game is all about not having fast travel. So that particular one is just some bonehead trying to sell a cheat.
Great game… hate this social media trend. It’s always the same, people want likes and hate on something. Sadly this ruins dev studios. Game is great, gameplay is real fun, technically it’s unpolished but nowhere unplayable. publisher is greedy as always
Capcom has had the same kind of microtransactions in almost every game they've made in the last decade, but I never saw anyone complain before.
Thank God too. It's about time.
yeah I'm finding the whole situation very weird.
if anything it shows is not really about what is happening, but rather where the internet hate bandwagon is parking on that week
They've been doing it since DMC4SE if not earlier. All the micros are stuff you can get by playing the game.
Yeah I don't understand why it's a big deal this time and not before. I'm actually glad people are complaining about it, I just don't understand why they haven't complained before.
What comes to mind is the amount of people playing their games now compared to back then since some of their games were console only and to a certain extent there was tolerance with it there because it was a separate menu and option that was an extra hurdle to get through that it will be ignored.
Now with the quality releases they have been making on the PC it has attracted more attention which means more critique of any game practices which goes against the consumer interest.
It's a little disingenious I think to say they changed the game design of a game you haven't even played Tyler... I know you gotta get those views in and comments (like I am doing right now) but c'mon buddy...
The only thing that had actually changed in terms of design was how difficult it was to start a new game, presumably because it would make it easier to not have to pay for character editing if you made a mistake in the early game before you had played an hour or two where you would already have enough to edit it with in-game currency. Capcom actually went back on this in particular and it's one of the very public upcoming changes.
The original game had some similar things, and a lot of Capcom games have recently done this without anyone really caring. Like, at all, there was no "controversey" like there was here. We're talking about big name games here like Monster Hunter and DMC. Why is the one anyone barely played getting the flak?
I'm not trying to offer an apologia for Capcom here, it's just weird to me that people only cared now when they've been doing it for a long time. I can only assume it's a lot of kids or people who haven't ever touched a capcom game before, not to say this should be normal just that if nobody cared before, why now?
I think it's a lot worse that people can barely even play the game they bought to begin with because of the DRM and the optimization involved in that even though they are the paying customers. If they remove the MTX it doesn't really change the game, if they remove the DRM people can actually play the game they bought.
I love the "vote with your wallet" argument when it comes to games.
Destiny 2 had a huge terrible DLC, the biggest Destiny 2 youtuber said to vote with your wallet, "if you don't like what bungie is doing don't buy the dlc and microtransaction" then bungie lays off half their staff because they stopped making money, then they all freaked out about it. Like wtf did you expect.
Lol Capcom is greedy
At this point it's a lost battle but there's little development cost to giving players access to a cheat menu for money. Voting with your wallet doesn't work in this case as even if the vast majority of players don't buy in, the few that do will still be giving capcom a profit. Players usually buy into these for games they enjoy, so with all the defenders I'd imagine a decent chunk have already bought into the system. Capcom sees that profit and like all companies continues to chase it and even optimize it further to make more money. And boom you started with horse armor and are now paying 20 bucks for the color blue.
It feels like the only move for people that care about these games is to piss and shit everywhere. And after waiting so long for a sequel I can't blame DD fans. Obviously players can opt out and just skip the game out of apathy, but most developers see the numbers and either put any new games on ice or shelve them entirely.
Microtransactions are the calling card of grindy games. grinding is the cellulose powder of gameplay.
I'm sure I'm like most people who don't care to yell at the void. I don't care for the micro transactions and I don't care for $70 games, so I don't buy them.
RE games have pretty bad micros, as did DMC. The only real sin Dogma2 does is not being able to make a new save file(same thing in the original btw unless you did the pc thing and created new saves via command line use and stored old ones in files 😅) AGAIN. It’s like why itsuno, I want to make more like in Elden ring or god forbird a western rpg like elder scrolls. Either way, all micros are earnable in game like RE and DMC micros but the save file thing is still my only ire I have. Off the heels of baldurs gate, rpg fans were hungry and got dragons dogma and sadly it’s performance sucks.
thanks I wondered why people cared about this but all the videos so far were from annoying people
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A lot of JRPGs have these types of stupid microtransactions too - selling frankly worthless stuff that you can easily get in game for dollars. Stuff like "potion packs" for potions that anyone playing the game will have 99 of normally or selling a single level for a single character.
I genuinely don't think that these MTX have any impact on the game design and are just added after the fact by some out of touch executives.
I think this controversy is coming mostly from a disconnect between jrpg mtx and the large western audience this game has attracted.
Because for most western games the design IS changed by its MTX.
Unfortunately, it is true:
Just do not buy it.
But most gamers will always come back for more abuse.
play the game
Look, DD2 is great and the mtx is a literal waste of money and basically doesn't exist...
But Capcom has always been greedy af, so put 'em on blast anyhow lmao.
why are people buying modern games?
Microtransaction are wrong in a single player games.
Honestly, you've got a point here. The Resident Evil 4 Remake had this kind of MTX stuff, right? But after a small commotion, no one really cared anymore because it was a great game.
Probably, and just probably the bad reviews come from the PC port rather than the micro transactions thingy.
If the game did work well from the start, it won't had as bad as a reputation is has now.
Play your games eat your skittles
DD1 was a bad game, so DD2 getting shit on is just par for the course.
i had this exact take and got shit on by some of my friends but im glad im not the only one who thinks it can be a good game while also disliking that there are microtransactions
This is why I just don't care and only buy games I like or think I will like. It's just that easy folks
1:12 This just isn’t really the case anymore though. This is not an educated statement, but it seems that most games that cost $70 don’t make enough money. They might make some money back, but not enough to be a success-not enough to keep the investors off the studio’s neck. Even good games aren’t guaranteed a profit at $70 or $40 or really any price these days. Micro transactions were unnecessary greed in 2018, but now they might be the only thing keeping some studios alive.
The best example of this type of hypocrisy is Pat from SuperBestFriendsPlay.