What if IRAN wasn't Muslim, but ZOROASTRIAN?
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- čas přidán 4. 03. 2023
- Today, Iran is a Muslim theocracy. But what if the Arab armies never conquered Iran in the 600s? For one, Iran would still mostly practice Zoroastrianism. What would this alternate history Persia be like? This video covers the history of Zoroastrian Iran until the modern day. It covers the culture, religion, politics, and economy of a Persia which never fully adopted Islam, instead sticking to the ancient Zoroastrian faith.
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Source for idea:
mizanproject.org/journal-post...
(Good article to read if you're interested with the idea)
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Excellent video, I love the maps in this video ❤
BTW what if Afroasiatic Peoples/Languages never existed? What if an Independent Assyrian country was established after WW2? What if Maya civilization still existed today? What if Carthage survived and Industrialized? What if the Kingdom of Madagascar still existed today? What if the Syrian civil war never happened? What if the Turkic Migrations never happened? What if the Kingdom of Kongo survived till today?
What If Europe converted to Mithraism? What if China was Manichaen today? What if Rome fully converted to Sol Invictus? What If Rome & Europe converted to the Cult of Isis? What if the Aztec Empire converted to Christianity and Survived till today?
What if the Inca Empire (Tawantinsuyu) survived and transformed the Inti religion into a Monotheistic evangelistic, missionary universalist religion? What if Central Asia and Afghanistan were Hindu*?
Alright 🙏
Thank you so much ✨🍀☮️💟
What if Turkey was Zoroastrian?
it may sound bitter but it may be the most richest and economically developed countries if zoroastrians was still in iran
the biggest problem of iran is the islamic extremist who now have power in iran remove the islam from power in iran and make it only a religion that have no saying in any low or way of people life and the iran became a great the country for living right now the islamic republic is sucking blood of people and i tell you no iranian like the regime that rule the country now
Says the cow worshippers
@@mcboat3467 yeah i worship cows whats ur problem u bhikari pakitsni gawar
@@iamthedefeatable India will never become cow lindu 🐄🕉️ rashtra coming from Kerala man I can sure you that if your ppopjeet 💩 government want to do that here that will be the end of the 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳ia as a country there will be no India after that..!!!!
Lol how? Iranians under Islam established some of the greatest empires and civilizations in the world. The Persian language had a profound impact on the culture and language of the regions of central and South Asia and it could be found even today. Some of the greatest scholars and scientists in Islamic Iran include ibn sina, imam gazali, Omar khayyam , imam Bukhari etc. This is something which was unfound in pre Islamic Iran. You guys are so delusional. Your hatred for Islam makes you to make such ridiculous arguments. Iranians are and will remain proud Muslims.
Zoroastrian community in India is very entrepreneurial, prosperous and hard working. We call them 'Parsi' people or People from 'Pars' aka Persia.
My upmost respect for my Indian brothers❤❤❤
𐭯𐭠𐭫𐭮𐭩𐭪
@@nimaj53The Parsi community's migration to India traces back to the 8th century when they sought refuge from religious persecution in Iran during the Islamic invasion. Upon their arrival in India, they were graciously welcomed by the Hindu king of Gujarat. It's important to note that not all Zoroastrians who migrated to India from Iran are referred to as Parsis; rather, only those who settled in Gujarat are known by that term. Over the centuries, the Parsis have become renowned for their contributions to various sectors in India, including business, industry, arts, and philanthropy. Notable figures like Homi Jehangir Bhabha, the father of India's nuclear program, and the Tata family, owners of the Tata Group, have emerged from the Parsi community. Today, the Parsis are recognized as one of the wealthiest and most charitable communities in India, leaving a profound and lasting impact on the country's social, cultural, and economic landscape.
They're just Iranian.
Iran is ethnic Persian, but the religion of Zoroastrianism exists too.
@@jithumapper7059 Stop talking about Zoroastrianism. You know nothing about it or Sasanian Iran.
Zoroastrianism is extremely discriminatory, even if it's very pro Iran.
islamization Of Persia Destroyed everything in Persia
Actually No. It had good times too. 8th to 13th century. But yeah, Islamic rule now isn't any good.
You shouldn't be talking, you're from India
@@Wartenss من ایرانیم 🇮🇷
@@sargon_one we call the 200 years of 658 to 858 two hundred years of silence in iran for obvious reasons
Not really, mongols destroyed much much much more
I have to say that a Zoroastrian Iran would have a MAJOR influence in the Muslim World for several reasons:
1. Persian culture and philosophy heavily influenced Islam. Without Iran, it's likely contact with India would be less, and hence, entire fields like mathematics would not have developed the way they did in our timeline.
2. Iran and Afghanistan were the basis for the Abbasid Dynasty, which later conquered the Ummayads in the 8th century and promoted the Golden Age of Islam. Without the Abbasids, the Ummayads might have survived, meaning the Arab World would be far less intellectually developed, a lot poorer, and far less relevant. Incursions into Europe will never happen due to Ummayad instability at the Byzantine's borders, and also due to massive revolts in North Africa and Iberia led by dissenting Muslim sects called the Kharijites, who HATED the Ummayads. In this timeline, and thanks to Kharijism, Iberia would remain Muslim since the areas under Kharijite rule (like Algeria) experienced mass conversions, which were discouraged by the Ummayads, who later ruled Iberia.
3. No Ummayad rule in Iberia would mean a more stable and more Muslim Kharijite south, as well as a stronger Christian North. I doupt, however, that either would conquer the other, instead remaining separate entities to this day and fighting over central Iberia.
4. With the Mongol conquest (if it happened at all since Gengis Khan invaded Iran due to a Khwaresmian provocation), the Muslims in the West would have also been anhiliated, with only Kharijite North Africa and Iberia surviving.
5. No Abbasids means no Turkic migration because there wouldn't have been a Battle of Talas. This means the Chinese and Buddhism would still be influential in Central Asia and among Turkic peoples. This also means that the Byzantines would survive since there would be no Turkic migration into Anatolia.
No
@@slayedclaw317tf do You mean no
Kuro Azrem, that is a fine analysis, but like the original video there is are things not accounted for.
Like - would the Byzantine Empire now be weaker or stronger? This has huge impacts on western societies too.
And let's not forget butterfly effects an wildcards. Persian Zoroastrianism wouldn't have to remain untouched by time either. Different rulers and dynasties might emerge; Turkish-Zoroastrian or even further spread of Buddhism doesn't sound tofsfh
Byzantine can't survive you just found Ottoman empire with Buddhist or Zoroastrianism as Thier major religions
And a Janissaries who came from Christian children and convert to Buddhist or Zoroastrianism same as out time
1- Persian philosophy didn't heavily influence Islam( Islam would still thrive)
2- the arab world would still be rich and intellectually developed ( no one depended on the Persians, and most science/literature was made in Bagdad or translated from Greek books)
3- Iran would be intellectually deprived of Islams/Arab discoveries and science therefore a poorer weaker country
Non-official polls in Iran show around 8% of Iranians are Zoroastrian now, and its growing. Alot of persian anti-islamic nationalists and anti-regime ppl are starting to convert to it as a kind of objection of the islamic regime.
The fire rises?
Hmm
It's only a nationalistic move, no one really follows that religion lol
شاید ولی میتونیم امیدوار باشیم
I am from iran i can say this is real
@@user-zi8bd7zp2f
Long live Zoroastrians and all Persian’s💪💪💚🤍❤️
Only poorsians celebrate their dead religion
Shout out to all Zoroastrians, I hope the Parsis can survive into the future. I think they need high fertility rates and large families though.
@@shzarmai O derrocar al régimen Iraní.
@@shzarmaino. They should learn from Jews. How to tackle with Arabic shaitaan 😢
Persians Yes, Zoroastrianism no. - From a Persian
Muslim mosques are designed based on Mazgats( Mazgat or Mazdagata that means the place of Ahuramazda), a specific fire temple with domes and burning fires under the dome, in many muslim mosques you still can find Minarah that basically means fireplace. Even the Mihrab that is a place that a muslim priest stands to pray and determines the direction of Qiblah is like Mehrab in fire temples that determines the direction of sun and Zoroastrian priests put the holy fire there and stand to pray beacuase in Zoroastrian religion the direction of praying should be toward light and Mehr in Persian means light. Some scholars says Ab was Hap or Ap that means honouring in Avestan so Mehrab means honouring the light but other scholars believe Ab here is changed from Av and Ave that means a room and a place built in the form of a dome and Mehrab means the place of praying toward Mehr
and because after Islam new muslim Iranians used Iranian architecture to build their mosques, they built all mosques in the form of domes and they made the part of standing the priest a half-dome and called it Mihrab. You should read more about Iranian architecture and its influence on Islam to get a deeper understanding of it.
It would have been a better place if Iran was Zoroastrian.
The whole "veil-up-the-women-completely" idea was introduced into Islam by Persian traditionalists pretty early, when Iran was converted.
While modern zoroastrianism doesn't define itself over such garments, I do believe that ancient hardcore former-zoroastrian prudes had a certain impact on Islam that way.
only when you cope
@@Enyavar1 ?? No, the "veil up the women idea" comes directly from the prophet muhammad and its in the koran what are you talking about
@@jax1995 the "veil up the women idea" is _2000 years older_ than Islam, and was highly customary in Persia, right at the time of the islamic conquest too.
In Muhammad's teachings (afaik) the veil only had a minor importance, but under Persian influence, it became way more important for islam. Cultures exchange ideas, and all.
Same hell hole
iran would actually be a respectable country
Thanks for making this video 🙏🙂
Very cool video. I find it interesting (I made a What if Persia remained Zoroastrian video too) that we came at the end to similar conclusions :)
Nice!
زنده باد ایران. زنده باد شاهنشاهی ایران. زنده باد خاندان پهلوی.
@@mgr1282❤ from the USA
long live Iran, respect for Zoroastrian.
Today majority Zoroastrian live in india
We are proud of them
Mr Ratan Tata 🙏
Hindu ❤ Zoroastrian
❤️🤝
yep , as idol worshiper . unite !
according to your language and theory it's called bad
but i think you don't know hindu civillisation was the most advanced@@KunglawAdy
@@KunglawAdy Unite again Islam, sure. Hindus and Sikhs in India united plenty to jointly kick your Mullah ass😂
@@KunglawAdylol,zoroastrianism is abrahamic religion,it was destroyed by some flat earth community like you and ur face
I mean the Persian imperial system survived the Muslim conquest and payed a huge role in continuing a Persian identity, I don’t see why not specially if Islam never came
Hinduism ❤ Zoroastism...
Love from India🇮🇳...
Pagans will always support each other saar
@@criterion3836 like blackstone worshipper
🇮🇷🇹🇯🇦🇫🇮🇳🥲 Aryan
@@criterion3836 El islam es paganismo puro.
@@NikoBuraitoPinku2024 worshipping a human and two sticks isnt pagan?
That would be the best thing for Iran
Lmao no
@@criterion3836why
Not only for Iran, but even for Afghanistan and the Indian subcontinent.
@@ash.and. Hola, los pakistaníes son indios musulmanes o no?. Saludos.
As a Persian it’s not lol
I just wanna say that I really like how you go very specific into these scenarios. Good Work!
Great vids
CZcams recommendation is on fire.... please, get this guy the recognition he deserves 🔥👍🏿
We would still have the giant lion statues to enjoy today.
Detailed analysis. Fantastic maps. Learned a lot. Great video!
Very interesting thought experiment. Though unfortunately the comment section like anything online surrounding Zoroastrianism tends to contain more people shitting on Islam than prople genuinely interested in discussing Zoroastrianism.
Islamism: Take over great empires and make them poor.
Parsis are the richest community in india despite being 60k in land of billions.
Yes but why do you use for this video the Iran and middle east Map of new middle east project but not the greater Iran.
I need to know how do you make videos?
I make the maps in photoshop, edit the audio in Audacity, and edit the videos in VSDC
These are getting scarily good
Pretty good althist. I am curious how this would affect the Eastern Romans and the Muslim World though. The Middle East is heavily influenced by both Greco-Roman and Iranian culture and the Turkish conquest of the Eastern Roman Empire happened after Muslim Turks gradually invaded Anatolia from their power base in Iran. The Seljuk capital was Isfahan.
Greco Romans were heavily influenced by Middle east. The writings system the Greeks used came from Semitic Phoenicians. Science and technology was first invented in Middle east.
@@Beyonder1987yes but after Alexander's conquests the middle east became extremely Hellenic. And over 700 years of Greco-Roman rule the middle east was mostly Greco-Roman culture wise
@@essaadeel3676 Greece culture had little influence on Middle east as whole to be honest. Greeks were not as successful to leave a long impact as Ptolemaic have in Egypt and the Roman only ruled north Middle east which was lost and retaken several times by Romans. The Parthians stopped Roman empire spreading east
@@Beyonder1987
The levant and Egypt were the heart of the Middle East, and Romans controlled that region for centuries, Romans themselves were hellenized
@@essaadeel3676 Spain was under Islamic influence but that was before.
5:15 without arab conquered, Persian would stopped turkic settlement in western central Asia, so western central Asia would be iranic and likely adopt Persian religion
Although the Persian/Farsi language uses Arabic scripts, it's not Arabic and belongs to the Indo-European language family, also We are not Arabs.
but you use many words from us, and use our letters, even your name is arab
@@TakeOneSip who told you that?
If I speak Persian or my mother tongue mazni language you can't understand nothing
@@Amir-el8yx your name os Amir
it's not persian name
@@TakeOneSip no shit Sherlock
@@TakeOneSip In Persian, Amir means immortal. It's also an Arabic name, sure, but it does have a distinct meaning outside of that language.
i saw a doco where a guy visited a Zoroastrian temple in eastern Iran, where they have kept a sacred fire burning for 2000 years. That should count as one of the Wonders of the world.
Unesco wouldn't like that.they don't even want to write down scientist and poets who clearly identified as iranian in their works as iranian.and the islamic regime likes that and even cooperates with them.
Yea well the bet is the fire is fake believe me
@@nimaj53Buddy what? What does being Iranic have to do with being a Zoroastrian? I’m iranic but I’m Muslim lol.
Depending on if it was a theocracy again or not it could have arguably been worse, since it'd be the only Zoroastrian country it would discriminate towards more people, but if it was secular, it would have been more like the old Sassanid Empire government policy towards other religions, more specifically, Anushirvan's government.
Zoroastrianism with king Cyrus II was in fact the first form of democracy back in 530-540 BCE.
In other words Zoroastrianism is not about ‘tolerance’ but the recognition and acceptance of all.
Most likely it could have served as a model of justice globally.
Wouldn't Zoroastrianism spread to Central Asia?
No they will remain budhist like south east asia
@@ALIMUSLIYAR1921the difference is central Asian is the birthplace of Zoroastrianism. Infact Avestan language belongs to them.
I don't think so persia back then had accounts of accepting other cultures and religions... not all religions tho
How expansionist is Zoroastrianism? Christianity and Islam generally tell followers to convert other nations which often served as a casus belli for invasions or colonization. If Zoroastrianism isn’t like that then it’s possible that we would have a Zoroastrian heartland in Iran with significant minorities in surrounding areas. A strong Persian Empire that isn’t Muslim might also check Arabization into Central Asia and India. It’s even possible without a good sea base the Muslim traders might not have been significantly powerful enough to spread it to Southeast Asia.
Depends on how the dynasty in controll decides the acheamid didn't force anyone same with parthians but sasanids try to spread the religion more than the others
You do know that Zoroastrianism also forced conversion too? Right?
Please pronounce our country name correctly. It's not EYE-ran, it's EE-ran
It's funny
Mazder should make a car called Ahurer
Great video!
The water-loving cotton is native to India (as is the name) not the hyper dry deserts of Arabia, as was/is the weaving of cotton (and kenaf) fibers into those white fabrics they wear in India and Persia. You got this in reverse. Arabs used wool--camel wool usually. They got their cotton ideas from Persia (and India), as they did got their numerals (and paper making from China via Persian)
The Islamic Republic in Iran doesn’t allow men and women born in a muslim family to freely choose their religion, and so many who wish to revert back to Zoroastrianism cannot do that.
As a Persian,nah.
@@boring8186 gotcha, bot! You're a liar!
@@user-qm4mb7ct3d I’m not a bot 🤦♂️
Lmao people are commenting without even watching the video. Bro literally said iran would be poorer in our timeline and geniuses in the comments here saying it would be rich lmao
Would Indonesia still convert to Islam?
Seems like the first Muslim missionaries to Indonesia were Arab, but later Indian Muslims also spread Islam. So likely less Muslim but still some Muslim
Maasa would have been alive picking flowers !
@What Why How could you please make a video about What if Rome annexed the Parthia Empire in 63BC under Pompey.
Ill add it to the list
this video furthur proved to me that iranian culture outweighted and influenced everything it came in touch with and probably the entire histroy and world and we know so little about them
I wonder if a sect of Zoroastrianism called something like ''Messianic Zoroastrianism'' as a defense against Islam and Buddhism.
I wonder if a sect of Zoroastrianism called something like ''Messianic Zoroastrianism'' as a defense against Islam and Buddhism
Man oh man ... If only ...
"If only" 🤭
@@criterion3836 bad news for you. it's happening. Islam is declining faster than South Korea's birth rate in Iran 😂
Even though you have good information for the most part, some info is not quite correct. Example, the alphabet is of Persian origin which was taken by Arabs since they really had no alphabet.
IMO I think it would be interesting if the Arab caliphate would redirect it's focus from Iran and into Anatolia, so we get the Greeks absorbed into Islamic culture instead of the Persians and Islam is seen as more of a Western focused region. I'd also imagine there could be a larger Manichean influence in Iran, perhaps one of the Central Asian khanates that conquers them follows that religion and attempts to spread it there.
No Greece Christian t
What if Greece never became Christian and still worshiped old Religion.
What if Romans never became Christian and worshiped its old gods snd suppressed Christianity to s point it became near extinct
پاینده همبستگی ملی گریان ایران پاینده ایران جاوید شاه
Plz also made a video if spain , portugal and phillipines ramained muslims and never converted forcibly into Christianity.
If Avestan and Arabic text look that similar, and the former is much older, then it's clear which was the artistic source for the style, unless it's an epic coincidence which I doubt. That alone is very interesting and may change how people view the interactions between Arabs and Aryans. Yes, the Arabs conquered Iran, but the Aryans may have been who ultimately legitimized and solidified the Arab culture itself.
False. The avestan text is from Aramaic a cousin language of Arabic. Which is far older than Persian.
@@slayedclaw317 bro forgets Sanskrit and Avestan language itself
Yeah that’s strange 🤔
@@slayedclaw317 that's alternate reality wtf lol
Avestan origin is Aramaic so still older than Persian and more related to Arabic, arab culture legitimized itself by itself with its various scientific discoveries and language unification
my bro great video but please pronounce in your future Iran as Eran. but besides that I've always wondered want our culture would be...
Will do friend. Just my accent and I only realized after I recorded
What if Turkey was Zoroastrian??
More Persian culture
I feel like a Byzantine persian alliance would become more normal but by the mongol conquests, i can't say, although i think you're right without persia directly linking islam to the rest of central asia any proceeding caliphate would not be stong enough to completely defeat combined Persian Byzantine assaults (although i don't they would find much success either as egyt and indian trade would stil be alive and well) in the end i think this just means anatolia might remain more Greek Christian but with many turkish warlords and people who would both be Christian and Muslim and iran more persian with still some Islamic influence. But also i feel like Russian Orthodoxy might take the the place of islam in many parts of central Asia as there are records showing of Christian communities living in the area prior to islam existing but also zoroastrianism in there too
Probebly they would have so much less problems
We don t want any other governments with religion. Scholar Scholar Scholar
What Buddhist country is bad ?
Myanmar
@@wildviper you can't sleep next to a rabid dog....
Myanmar Buddhist priests
All good and well but for future reference learn how to pronounciate the country's name it's Iran like India. It's not an Apple product. Be respectful don't be like your country's presidents and news anchors.
I think you underestimate the British interest in Iran, not for their own benefit, but because if Russia controlled the whole thing it would have a warm water port, which would massively affect the balance of power. I think you underestimate the degree to which muslim subjugation affected Zoroastrianism, and I believe that even if it wasn't wholly missionary, it would likely still have a significant missionary wing. This would shape relationships with Buddhism, where in the east you would probably have fewer buddhists than you suspect, and also large communities in Hindustan and Avaganistan. Where they do overlap you likely have higher levels of tension, with the exception that some regions may have something like a survival of Zurvanism which syncretises the two of them. As a result, they would have less in common with China than you suggest, especially since the Chinese don't identify with religion in the way that westerners do.
Others have mentioned that the Zoroastrians are famously trustworthy and industrious, which might lead to a more prosperous and stable Iran. While these traits have ancient heritage, so that even Herodotus mentions their honesty, my guess is that they became particularly concentrated due to the pressures of trying to maintain an ethnoreligious community in the face of significant external pressures. Therefore I think that this Iran might well be better off, it would not be quite so well as others have suggested.
Your video neglected Hindustan and Hinduism mostly. Hinduism had existed prior to Zoroastrianism and there's a lot of influence in the philosophy. Even today, the largest population of them live and thrive in India where they fled from persecution by Islamic forces centuries back. Today's Afghanistan was a Hindu kingdom too and traces of Hinduism have been found in Azerbaijan and adjoining areas.
Why can’t Americans pronounce the “i” vowel?. Like wtf is Eye Ran or Eye rak?.
I can't help it
@@wildviper bruh just say it EERAAN
'Eye ran" lol is the correct pronunciation when speaking English, just how Persian speakers have a different pronunciation for the words American and America when speaking Persian. Neither are wrong.
@@dannydonnelly8198 This is objectively false. Plenty people pronounce it properly when speaking English.
Even though they are muslims now,they still celebrate the zoro new year
Mazdaic Republic of Iran
I like it ❤
😊
I wonder if a sect of Zoroastrianism called something like ''Messianic Zoroastrianism'' as a defense against Islam and Buddhism hmmm
I think Zoroastrian would’ve probably had some Europe mentality like the crusaders and us vs them homogeneous culture.
And many don’t know this but before the Arab conquest the Azeri were Persian speakers azer literally means fire in Zoroastrianism. The Arabs forced them into forgetting there true language so they would’ve forget there Persian language. And give them Turkic slave which was popular slave trade in Muslim world for mentality.
If this conquest ever didn’t happen I do believe Iran would’ve been even expanded into the caucuses region. And with the crusades against Muslim and Buddhist they would grab some part of Iraq and forced them into Zoroastrianism just like Spain in Europe. And in 1700 because of Russian conquest of Central Asia there would been alliance formed between Zoroastrianism and Russians
Which would’ve led into another manifest destiny for both of those nation and some sorta way a “indo-European alliance”
Which would’ve saw the Buddhist as almost as like the natives in the America’s which would’ve forced them out of Central Asia. And we could’ve sawn this century Russia even expanding into east china and diminishing the Asian sphere of influence in Central Asia.
And with Pakistan and Afghanistan and Tajikistan and some part of Uzbekistan and Azeris I do believe because of there culture similarities this regions would’ve been a majority Zoroastrian.
But in this 1700 there would be probably wars between russia and the Zoroastrian which would eventually after centuries of war came out as stalemate. Because of high population of both sides and high technology which would’ve slow down both sides advancement.
And because of how the Zoroastrian were ahead of there time they would’ve probably been the first in 2000s to have space federation. Which would later follow up with the European countries Muslims and Asians.
To describe the Zoroastrian they would’ve probably been the Spanish of space.
But with recent revival of Zoroastrian which is now spreading in Iran and the turning of Iran into full Persian. Country and spread of Zoroastrian in Tajikistan I think we’re gonna dramatically see Iran changing there script of language and religion which would start a major war in bid of Islam to keep them in there sphere.
@@unknownwarrior5517
Pakistan Zoorastrainism or Buddhism ?
In my opinion i think iran might have a future of becoming a Liberal society in the future considering when you look it up on Google it says that there are Christians, Jews and atheists living in the country
هم اسلام ... هم قرآن... هر دو فدای ایران 👑
نفرین خدا بر الله
@@nimaj53الله کلمه ی عربی برای خداست. الله معنی خدا می دهد. یعنی نفرین خدا بر خدا؟
@@rezaganjizadeh4263 افرین.کسی کمکت کرد پول بیت المال دادن بری جنده مشهدی بخری بهت ساندیس دادن یا خودت فهمیدی.نفرین خدا بر موجودی شیطان صفت و خونخوار به نام الله.اسم بت پدر محمد عبد الله ابن عبد المطلب.ناموسا الله خودش خوش نمیاد به عنوان خدا بپرستیدش خودش میخواد بت باشه.واسه همین پیروانش انقد ادم کش و دزد شدن.الله راضی نیست از فیلتر شکن حرام برای جاسوسی و ادم فروشی استفاده کنی.
thanks for your great video i can say as iranian todays iran people arent influenced so much by islam we can say at the biggest point in now days there is atleast 15 or 10 million people who believe in islam in iran today and near 5more millions other religions or they believe in some part of islam but not some part of it most people seeks for zorastrian things much more in these days like the zorastrian Marriage or reading some scripts about it the huge amound of people mostly today doesnt care anymore about the religions but thats doesnt mean they dont care about thier history and their country most of us may be different from each other but our country is the only thing all of us have the same idea about it to fight for it no matter it costs and because of today failure of islam in iran happily we can say most of people can and will destroy the bones of government and make a new one out of it
and i think it can have a big impact atleast on the middle east like today we see the eqyptian people telling in media they are not arabs and have history
because islamic republic is one of they key things in the islamic world and with out it islam can be faded in countries like turkey iraq syria and even saudi arabia which the ruler take to many tasks to modernize the country i think in some cases we can see better relation with china and india like you said but its erupt some wars of religion but nothing can change the border because of people who will honor them selves for it
at the end most of us in iran may hate islam and arabs because they attacked us and their religions have some holes in it but thats deoesnt mean anything personal we dont want to seek revenge for a old war and start killing children and families like barbarian we can know most of people in middle east are not counted as arab but their own races but we accept our neighbors as what they are people are people most of the time leaders and rulers put them infront each others and we know it very well from every part of history in our own country
also this video had some holes about how arabs could invade iran im not sure about the castle but i know there were some people who worshiped abrahamic religion mixed with some zorastrian and more named mani and unfortunatly some of the followers betrayed us and help arabs at thats time and byzantine empire thought if the arabs attack persians they could use this as advantage for them selves but they did forgot thats you cant be friend with someone who already sold his soul to a god for killing other people in the name of him i hope someday not only my country but all countries can live peaceful life in this world full shits and thats can be happen only with the power of people not some celestial or spiritual power named god
What is Zoroastrian
Dead religion
its a old persian/iranian monotheistic religon that the holy book of it is avestan
@@ParsTajicAfghan thanks for telling me after 8 months when I completely forgot about this video and comment
@@Gartersnake970 your welcome ❤❤
@@Gartersnake970😂😂😂
The area controlled by the Mazdaic Republic of Iran would still contain massive oil reserves.
If I remember oil fields of Iran is in Persian gulf not in fertile crescent.
Seems like most are in Khuzestan, not the gulf. Some are in the gulf but it does take more effort to extract oil or gas from a body of water than from land. Here's a map: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Iran_Oil_and_Gas_Fields.png
@@wildviper I know that we Indians by our most of oil from Iran so knowing the geography of gulf nation help us I think my book in 8th class was wrong
Bad timing for Iran at the time of arab muslim invasion. After the death of Shahanshah Khosro Parviz, Iran had internal power crisis. In a short time many kings took power and dethroned. but it would eventually be solved as before if there wasn't that bad timing of arab invasion for Iran.
There was a guy named Atila Hun (similar to Genghis Khan) at time of Sassanids (not bad timing one) and couldn't do anything. they changed their route to Europe and Rome and terrorized them. If Iran didn't defeat to arab muslims. Iran would regained it's stability and would pushed back arab muslims to the deserts of arabia. Iran would be one of the top countries in military, science, economy, ... as before.
At the time of Pahlavi dynasty, Iran was on the path to be one of the top 3 countries in the world in economy, ... but western governers like carter had devil plans and cause the Dark 1979 islamic so--called revolution and ....
But todays lots of Iranians are leaving islam because they know and feel in every day of their life that islam is the cause of these dark ages of Iran.
Lol Cope
The Mahdi shall rise again and he shall deal with you guys first
Islam basically wants you to become 7th century arabia. Iran is too great for that. Thousands of years of history and culture shouldn't just be thrown away to desert cult.
People need to stop talking about Zoroastrianism.
Nobody on this thread even knows what it is, or why the Sasanian Empire fell in Iran in the first place.
The Zoroastrian clergy were brutal.
They fell because of the plague and the devastating war against the byzantines. The Arabs were affected by neither. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@arman_1024 That would be you actually. In addition to your primitive commentary, the fall also happened because of the impact of Mazdak's death and civil war. The Parthians wanted out of the empire once they saw the decadence of the Sasanians and thus split the wealth of the empire. It was not just the plague of Sheroe or the war against the Romans. People were leaving Zoroastrianism in droves (Salman Farsi was a huge reason the Arabs won key battles - he was Persian and a Muslim convert). Reductive analysis is not good - with so many succession battles, Yazdgerd III was 8 when he took the throne. Bahman Jaduya was literally refusing to take his orders.
@@ciaronsmith4995 kiddo, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Saying the Parthian’s wanted to leave is such a ridiculous statement. Just like with the Byzantine empire, it was mostly due to the Plague and the recent war, none of which affected Arabia. On top of that, Arabia was going through a population increase with very strained resources, which encouraged outward expansion. Yes, the civil wars also contributed to their fall, but none of that his is related to the fall of Zoroastrianism. Mazdak wasn’t even a real person, which goes to show how unread you are on the Sassanid empire.
@@arman_1024 Utterly incorrect like everything else you typed - read this: "The Sasanian civil war of 628-632, also known as the Sasanian Interregnum was a conflict that broke out after the execution of the Sasanian king Khosrow II between the nobles of different factions, notably the Parthian (Pahlav) faction, the Persian (Parsig) faction, the Nimruzi faction, and the faction of general Shahrbaraz. Rapid turnover of rulers and increasing provincial landholder power further diminished the empire. Over a period of four years and fourteen successive kings, the Sasanian Empire weakened considerably, and the power of the central authority passed into the hands of its generals, contributing to its fall." The Persians and the Parthians went to civil war - the Parthians wanted to split their wealth and either re-take control or leave. Separately, Mazdak was a very real person and his death only demoralized the empire. It was a series of things in succession, not just one or two things, that brought down Iran at that time.
@@arman_1024 The Parthians absolutely wanted to leave or re-take power. Read about the Sasanian Interegnum or the Sasanian Civil War of 628-632 for your own edification and to learn about Iranian history. The Parthians and the Persians went to civil war, in this instance, against each other and the Parthians wanted to split their wealth. Not to mention Mazdak was a very real person and his followers were called "Mazdakites". Even if he didn't exist, it wouldn't change the fact Kavad led a communist revolt during this time pushing for women to be "openly shared with men - communal intercourse". Iran fell for multiple reasons, not just a few. There were 2 plagues - first the plague of Sheroe from 627-628 which preceded civil war, and then one plague during the time of Yazdgerd that was after the civil war. I repeat - during this period Zoroastrianism was losing members in droves. Not saying Islam was better, but Zoroastrianism was dying very quickly and the clergy's behavior during civil war and towards Mazdak, lowered public perception of the faith.
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It is not a correct conclusion. Iran right now is on one of its weakest forma arguably after qajar dynasty its the second weakest form right now. In contrast , during achaemenian or sassanid dynasty iran was a super power. It is very likely that if the arab invasion never came as it happened , an strong iran would resist mongol invasion like mamlocks did at egypt later. So the history of world and everything would have been a lot different
Iran is still Zoroastrianism technically
0:38 claimed to get messages from god , get it right
What if Lusitania resisted Rome
Why Lusitania in particular?
@@braedanquigley7500 Predecessor of Portugal 🗿
@@braedanquigley7500 because Viriathus was defeating the Romans time and time again
@@gregrobinette8620 I know? Still a strange suggestion
All speak iberian language like vasque and perhaps politeistic religión
Iran: a great civilisation, incl with its Zoroastrism. Until VII century when gulped down & digested by Islam.
Iran cannot be great again under Islam.
Fortunately, Iran preserves some of its former identity, and together with free & democratic modernity it could relevantly revive
Islam already revived Iran from fire worshipping 😂
@@criterion3836
Of course it united them, it united them against the tyrannical government of the Ayatollah
@criterion3836 worshipping fire is still better than causing terrorism u katwa😂😂
@@criterion3836All so-called Islamic inventions have Persian or Zoroastrian origins!
wtf vore
Parsis They still maintain the Zoroastrian religion.
Iran without Muslim wouldn't be either 100 % Zoorastrain
If there would be no Islam in persia there would be Zoorastrainism, Christianity, and some new Persian Religion
I think that Kurdistan will remain Zoroastrian if Iran remained Zoroastrian. Kurds are still celebrating the Newroz, or Newroj which is an important day in Zoroastrian religion even though they are Muslims and Christians.
Current day Iran also celebrates Newruz. As well as Iranian influenced cultures in Central Asia.
You can dream for Zoroastrianism. I'm sure the Muslims dreamed for Persia. Their dream came true. May Allah Most High protect it from the Colonial nightmare about to ensue.
Yea sure buddy but people eventually come to their senses and they will embrace their true zoroastrian identities sooner or later ND get rid of whatever joke of a religion islam is
Giving yourself a false sense of hope is cute. Keep dreaming. That's all dreamers can do. Float through life bitching at others for what they themselves can't achieve. Sunni or Shia, Iran is Muslim. Will remain so as long as Allah Wills. No Zoroastrian, Hindu, Jew, secular or Traditional, Christian in the Vatican or Christain in the Pentagon is going to change that fact. Iran belongs to Muhammad, blessings of the Most High upon him.
@@unbiased786statistics show that most Iranians have left Islam.
@@arman_1024
Bollocks have they! Only the confused and treacherous leave the Faith, left behind, by the Prophets
Most Iranians have left Islam.
I do not watched the video but Islam was worst thing happened to persia we saw nothing good from it
In short, there will be Peace ☮❤
Iran isn't even muslim since safavid dynasty my friend.
Are you saying Shia Islam is not Islam?
@@wildviper Shiite dogma and doctrine are definitely not part of Islam (
- the twelve imams
- Taqiya
- divinization of Ali and his family
- excommunication of all sahabas except 3; Al-Miqdâd b. 'Amr, Salman al-Farisi, Abû Dharr al-Ghifârî, as they are supposed to be the transmitters of the religion
- non-preservation of the Koran
- insulting the Prophet's wives; they committed adultery, whereas Aisha, for example, is responsible for narrating more than a quarter of the Prophetic tradition; sunna
- Nikah mut'ah, which is a temporary sexual marriage contract
- pilgrimage to places other than Mecca
- infallibility of imams, whereas infallibility is granted only to prophets
- the pillars of Islam are 5 explicitly mentioned in the Koran and 6 in Shiite dogma; Shiite scholars add the imamate, which is simply absent from the Koran.
You can not go against simple basics prohibitions in islam and claim you are muslim
@@wildvipershia isn’t real islam. Shia is a sect and sects are haram.
@DutchTunisian bro, Shia is another religion. In Islam you are consider a sect only if you differ in minor theological beliefs. But once you leave tawhid, you are no longer a sect nor even a muslim
@@Nicola.M7 yeah ok alot of shias basically worship Ali
Sassanids would have never applied scorched earth policy. It would have been a great sin to burn lively farms and crops.
you are wrong about the alphanet, Iran gave it to them
the worst possible scenario
at least for me
Shut up bullah...you guys ruined everything the rich Persians ruined 😂
You you should do what if islam penetrated deeper into Europe
Sir, Islam would have been restricted to Arab peninsula.
Islam have concept of Dawah
It is not like Hinduism where they don't accept converts
Zoorastrainism just Hinduism believe in some fake blood purity however Islam and Christianity are universal religions
Eranshahr
Well most of iranians have left islam 😂
Really? Then how come there are still millions of Muslims there? 🤯
@@criterion3836yes, a few million in a country of almost 90 million means they’re in the minority. Most mosques have had to close because of record-low attendance.
Would Türkiye even exist
What would have happened if the Muslims did not burn down the libraries of tisfoon and alexandria.but kept the books and the knowledge
Islam would collapse
Very impressive (and difficult) piece of work! Only wonder is why you think the end state would not have good relations with India? Before Islam both civilisation lived side by side for centuries with very little problem. India took in many Parsis avoiding islamification - even today serve high posts in Indian govt, society & military
Neighbors tend not to like each other in geopolitics
@@wildviperbut records tells otherwise, india and persia had very good relations in pre-islamic era, there are so many events(which im not gonna describe here ,i'm sure you'll find it in internet if you're interested) . Modern generalization of neughbours aren't tend go be friendly isn't accurate ,exemple : bhutan and india (despite both has diffrent culture and origin as aryans and tibetans, both has very good relation today, despite being more close to china ethnically)
@@_Bappu_ Even now Iran is one of the few Muslim nations that are very friendly with India
im a proud muslim we respect all religions alhamdhulillah this is interesting
Where are you from ?