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  • čas přidán 9. 10. 2022
  • With a new baby and wife to support, out-of-work filmmaker Matt Gallagher tries his hand - and some would say "luck"- at playing poker for a living. This inside journey into the unconventional, often bizarre, underground world of illegal poker clubs finds a world populated by colourful characters, straight out of central casting. A world where the workday starts at midnight and runs strictly on cash and can change forever with the simple flip of a card. Playing poker to pay the bills means living side by side with risk. But, as Matt soon discovers, the real meaning of risk lies far outside the poker room and can strike in the most personal way. Matt's intimate, first-person narrative is joined by the voices of other grinders with stories that range from tales of ultimate success to personal disaster. For the first time ever, Grinders pushes past the conventional curtain of mainstream poker and brings the camera inside the underground poker circuit and into the lives of those chasing the elusive and often destructive -- dream of the grinder. Along the way, Gallagher comes face to face with the true meaning of life, risk, fatherhood...and the secret art of poker.
    Directed by: Matt Gallagher
    Starring: Matt Gallagher
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  • @stephens2272
    @stephens2272 Před rokem +119

    "I Wana make good business decisions while I'm here" "I'm 15 drinks in" lmao... classic

    • @mavericktradingco2562
      @mavericktradingco2562 Před rokem +8

      he is/was an addict. mannerism dont lie. i hope he got help for it

    • @loudorchen9897
      @loudorchen9897 Před rokem +10

      This might sound crazy but some players actually can play better drunk, if you're an addict booze acts like a stimulant to some people including me, it kinda blocks out all the noise and allows you to play from muscle memory in a more aggressive way, hard to explain but I can confirm for some people it can make them play better, and I'm not just saying that as a confused drunk, I have like 7 million hands on PokerStars, tens of thousands of mtts played,

    • @djdrogs
      @djdrogs Před rokem +3

      @@loudorchen9897 Yes you're totally right! What's your pokerstars handle by the way?

    • @loudorchen9897
      @loudorchen9897 Před rokem

      @@djdrogs yawnkiss, yawnkus, kick my nuts, No Limit soulja, few others

    • @persistentlydriven9390
      @persistentlydriven9390 Před rokem +3

      @@loudorchen9897 I 100 percent agree. I play way better and focus way better when im drinking. not drunk. (usually )

  • @ryanbenting7314
    @ryanbenting7314 Před rokem +60

    "Without risk and adventure, life is not life."
    I love this quote so much. Lawrence is my hero. Thank you for this documentary.

    • @dwaynerex7385
      @dwaynerex7385 Před 7 měsíci +1

      They might be exciting but life is about who you are inside. Imo

  • @combatsolutionsgroup2021
    @combatsolutionsgroup2021 Před rokem +35

    I care about my family back in Canada so much that im going to make sure im intoxicated for the entire tournament.

  • @richardtarjeft4884
    @richardtarjeft4884 Před rokem +32

    "I'll take AK suited over a blonde any day... Call me gay." - LOL

    • @DabuDave
      @DabuDave Před rokem

      thank you I listened to him two times to see wtf he said I thought he said blunt

  • @joaosegura7458
    @joaosegura7458 Před rokem +560

    Not sure if this was a planned objective from the director, but this documentary is one of the reasons why Poker is still viewed as gambling for so many people who are clueless about the game. I am a professional poker player. Been doing it for almost 10 years. And like me, there's thousands more. But it's not easy money. You have to study on a daily basis. And you have to be able to go through periods of bad luck (because there is, obviously, luck involved) and keep on grinding. But if you can't buy dinner or pay your bills, because you had a bad week/month, then you are doing something wrong.

    • @Johnouai
      @Johnouai Před rokem +25

      @@dabadaba530 well, poker without money is not poker.....stay in your lane dude.

    • @GrizzlyAdams101
      @GrizzlyAdams101 Před rokem +25

      @@dabadaba530 the people who think poker is gambling or the ones paying this guys bills every month haha.

    • @nicholasbeetel5827
      @nicholasbeetel5827 Před rokem +29

      But do you have blockers to your opponents nut range though?

    • @voyxu143
      @voyxu143 Před rokem +44

      Anything with money wagered on random events is gambling, therefore Poker is gambling.
      Chess is not gambling. There is nothing random about it.

    • @xGlobs
      @xGlobs Před rokem +28

      poker is gambling

  • @robh3089
    @robh3089 Před rokem +22

    The idea of playing poker for a living was sold to everyone as glamorous back in 2004. This is the reality of playing for a living, looks worse than a 9 to 5.

    • @xdefyy
      @xdefyy Před rokem +7

      I mean, it was glamorous in 2004. People that started playing in the last 10 years can't imagine the type of money that was going around for a few years post-moneymaker. Pros today literally put in 10 times the work for 10% of the profits - I'm not exaggerating. Studying back then was talking hands with a buddy. No solvers, no youtube, no training sites. Every dad and college bro was depositing with their debit card and blasting off at 1/2 or 2/4 or 5/10. There will never be anything like it again.

    • @Mikeyjoefit
      @Mikeyjoefit Před rokem

      @@xdefyy This exactly!

    • @dan22482
      @dan22482 Před rokem

      Not necessarily. This is the reality of grinding low stakes. It appears they’re playing 1/2 or 2/5 at most. There’s almost no money to really be made at these stakes especially in a high rake private game.
      If you can profitably play 5/10 or 10/20+ the reality is far different. Games run less often so it’s less of a grind yet you can make significantly more money. The recreational players have more to lose and are far less nitty.

  • @diggs36
    @diggs36 Před rokem +71

    I was a grinder for 5 years, I found that sleep and staying healthy are just as important as how good of a player you are, playing over 15 hours a day and not sleeping well are the worst things you can do.

    • @frankiecheech5262
      @frankiecheech5262 Před rokem +3

      Plus the eating is a chore when u tired and hungry 😤

    • @teacher_bryan_japan
      @teacher_bryan_japan Před rokem +2

      Discipline needed to compete in any games

    • @tristarperfecta1061
      @tristarperfecta1061 Před 11 měsíci +6

      I did it for about 7 years and aged about 20. Between nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, and not eating or sleeping, it was starting to kill me

    • @viewmaster617
      @viewmaster617 Před 2 měsíci

      That's a fact

    • @Pluralofvinylisvinyls
      @Pluralofvinylisvinyls Před měsícem

      @@tristarperfecta1061 so instead of going to bed earlier you decided to quit ?

  • @samnord3262
    @samnord3262 Před 8 měsíci +15

    Great documentary! I had forgotten about it, and watched it years ago but had to re-watch it. Watching Danny just made me sad though. His addiction has clearly resurfaced and has begun to rule his life again. I'd love to see how Danny is doing today. Hopefully not dead or homeless from his alcoholism.

  • @shtcoinmaxi1367
    @shtcoinmaxi1367 Před rokem +66

    "I play better when i drink"...famous last words

    • @101spirited
      @101spirited Před rokem +6

      Probably drive better too

    • @danwittal1788
      @danwittal1788 Před rokem +12

      My father who was the best card I ever knew once said to me "drink or play cards don't do both" ... solid advice

    • @shtcoinmaxi1367
      @shtcoinmaxi1367 Před rokem +5

      @@danwittal1788 your father is man of wisdom

    • @renocool1558
      @renocool1558 Před 3 měsíci +1

      he had me believing until he said "it's limit, so I can afford to make few mistakes"

  • @vladbcom
    @vladbcom Před rokem +23

    What a beautifully done docu. Thank you.

  • @thejulien911
    @thejulien911 Před 9 měsíci +18

    This is such a great documentary...it isnt trying to glorify or denounce professional poker but keeping it real showing people both sides who also do it successfully and also the dark side of it all too..

  • @rogervind2450
    @rogervind2450 Před rokem +8

    Thank you all for that shared their time in this. My Name is Roger V. I live in Reno, Nevada. Chase your passions✌

  • @timlindsay6363
    @timlindsay6363 Před rokem +28

    Very insightful and entertaining, especially for a rec player from Australia. Well done for showing the 'true' side of grinding. Genuinely sad for your and Cornelia's loss, though mate.

  • @frankhernandez6883
    @frankhernandez6883 Před rokem +20

    Drunk & tired is NO WAY to play

  • @Anonymous-nj2ow
    @Anonymous-nj2ow Před rokem +6

    finishing like 7th-20th in a tourney is so disappointing because you dont really make much, and the upside was so close, great docu

    • @chocolatetownforever7537
      @chocolatetownforever7537 Před 9 měsíci

      Thats so crazy. I forget what he said the HORSE buy in was, but thats always been a prestigious event. Eleventh is a hell of an effort in that tournament. To double your money finishing 11th out of 800 does kind of suck.

  • @jimmytwotimes802
    @jimmytwotimes802 Před 11 měsíci +6

    Matt's pullout game, is about as strong as his poker game. Great documentary, thanks for sharing it.

  • @eshootziscrs2868
    @eshootziscrs2868 Před rokem +65

    Quote of the movie, " I have such a huge edge I think I can afford a few mistakes......I can only recall one hand I played badly". From the guy fifteen drinks in the tank but out of the tournament. There's something to be said for not recalling all of your mistakes. Maybe you think you play better. Maybe you do.

    • @jamesl9539
      @jamesl9539 Před rokem +5

      People who are grinders are losers. I am great in poker and am a net winning player, but I have a normal full time job. By the way, I finished 4th in WSOP this year.

    • @smokeykevin
      @smokeykevin Před rokem +7

      @@jamesl9539 lol sure kid

    • @OneEyedJack01
      @OneEyedJack01 Před rokem

      @@jamesl9539 not in the main event, you didn't.

    • @jamesl9539
      @jamesl9539 Před rokem +1

      @@OneEyedJack01 I was in the Stud event. I am a stud specilist and placed in the money three times in WSOP in that event. I also won (split three ways) borgata stud event few years ago.

    • @jamesl9539
      @jamesl9539 Před rokem +1

      That being said, it is really hard to win a tournament. I really thought I was going to win, but ran into a very very lucky guy who won it.

  • @MikeKleinsteuber
    @MikeKleinsteuber Před 8 měsíci +5

    A great little documentary which has been nicely shot and cut. About the real world of poker playing. Well worth a watch

    • @renocool1558
      @renocool1558 Před 3 měsíci

      without the hypnotizing music it sorta sucked, didn't go anywhere. But with the music its kind of a nostalgic trip. Also like the inclusion of the fish pool at Rio

  • @martygi
    @martygi Před rokem +13

    I love this documentary. Its so raw and made me think about life. I m very sorry for your loss. You were very brave filming this. Thank you.

  • @rubberroast1598
    @rubberroast1598 Před rokem +19

    Been playing poker for over 25 years as a recreational player, and I am Positive cashflow. In my years I have learned that every poker player thinks they are better than they actually are. Some are way better than others obviously but players peg their skill higher than they actually are, no matter what level. Too many attribute their misses as just bad luck, and their big scores and years as skill as opposed to a lot of good luck mixed in there. This documentary has further substantiated this...

    • @danwittal1788
      @danwittal1788 Před rokem +1

      I was thinking alot about this comment. I too have been playing that long honestly a little longer. What you said is true for 95 percent of the players out there so many don't do anything to improve and feel they have a lock on the game with their current play style and knowledge. To me poker is ultimate example of self-responsibility it's all on you if you succeed or fail. You can choose to be a student of the game read study and play with players that may be better than you and try to learn. Or you can live in the world of denial blame your losses on bad beats and never really examine your own skill level. But at the end of the day thats great you want to be in a room full of people who think there are the best player at the table and exploit the mistakes that they are bound to make. Well said sir remember don't tap the glass.........

    • @rubberroast1598
      @rubberroast1598 Před rokem +2

      @@danwittal1788 One of my own problems was that I was a regular winning player at the limits I play, so for years I just kept playing the same type of tourneys and games as a hobbyist. I never really took my game to the next level. It has evolved so much in last ten years. I decided to really study and learn and memorize new concepts and strategies and realized there was so much areas I could improve. I am winning but more now but still learning to take to next level. I am finding I am the minority out there. Even long time grinders out there from 15 years ago I bump into still have no idea of some of the newer strategies I have learned now, so I know they too are not expanding and investing the effort to learn to get better. I have. feeling some of those featured in this video are players who plateaued years ago.

    • @-JohnGalt-
      @-JohnGalt- Před 9 měsíci +1

      Some Dunning Kruger effect at play, no doubt. Some endeavors suffer from this more than others. Poker is one of them.

  • @giovannigaggia8300
    @giovannigaggia8300 Před rokem +4

    Really enjoyed watching this documentary, well done, you caught some really amazingly true poker lovers worlds man! Well done!!! :-) :-) :D :D

  • @mikefitz3063
    @mikefitz3063 Před rokem +7

    Awesome! Loved it!

  • @NeoViny
    @NeoViny Před rokem +18

    I have great respect for Lawrence! He is such a self-reflected and intelligent guy that has experienced a lot in his life.

  • @hanaanrosenthal
    @hanaanrosenthal Před rokem +12

    What a great documentary. Honest and real. Thank you.

  • @dylan4652
    @dylan4652 Před rokem +12

    This was done really well guy’s! Very real and raw look at struggling players today. I hope you’ll get some
    Recognition for this project.

  • @jamesosullivan4604
    @jamesosullivan4604 Před rokem

    Beautiful doc your a very talented film maker. Really enjoyed it thank you, I wish you and your family the best!!!

  • @init2spinit386
    @init2spinit386 Před rokem +24

    Dude talking about good business moves at poker table, yet 15 drinks deep 🤣

    • @jack42011
      @jack42011 Před rokem +4

      seriously... Falling asleep at his desk too....

  • @dallasgearsgodpettman1941
    @dallasgearsgodpettman1941 Před 9 měsíci +16

    This really does show the absolute grime in the midst of “golden age” of poker

  • @ThirstyKnife
    @ThirstyKnife Před rokem +16

    I needed this. Not sure if I'm giving up or going in full time however, I needed this.

    • @HighTide_808
      @HighTide_808 Před rokem +5

      Keep a job. Part time poker as a side hustle is the way to go…

    • @marshawnlynch6244
      @marshawnlynch6244 Před rokem +1

      As someone who gambled to eat for 6 months in 2020, don't do it unless you have no other choice.

    • @petersmith637
      @petersmith637 Před rokem

      @@marshawnlynch6244 I’m in that situation now man it sucks ass big time I’m scared to go up stakes and take that bigger risk coz it’s took me months to grind what I’ve got in my account 🤦‍♂️

    • @TheBierman19
      @TheBierman19 Před 6 měsíci

      Go in full time, bro. Don't listen to these posts. You are a winner!!!

    • @stevenkoski416
      @stevenkoski416 Před měsícem +1

      90% of gamblers quit right before they would have scored big.

  • @teresakatrinak8158
    @teresakatrinak8158 Před rokem +12

    I so enjoyed this documentary, thank you.

  • @nomore1371
    @nomore1371 Před rokem +27

    That choice of chips for an underground game is horrible. Those are so easy to buy off Amazon. I play at a house game and they have chips I've never seen and can't find them online. The host won't tell anyone where he gets them and to me that's added security

  • @tankfromthematrix
    @tankfromthematrix Před rokem +12

    I am a Grinder too, only with Day Trading ... I relate to this 100% ... great work.

    • @Seriallette
      @Seriallette Před 10 měsíci +5

      Stop it as soon as you can dude, it's even more gambling than Poker

  • @Smoshy16
    @Smoshy16 Před rokem +5

    My Dad liked a flutter on the horses. He tended to win more than he lost. I'll never forget when he said to me one time "It's betting if you can afford to lose and gambling if you can't".

  • @kibspoker
    @kibspoker Před rokem +1

    Hey man, this was a fantastic movie!!! thanks for sharing

  • @paulrobinson8041
    @paulrobinson8041 Před rokem +2

    WOW.....this was really well put together.

  • @ed5308
    @ed5308 Před rokem +9

    I play tournament poker. Its a total grind. You play all day and get sucked out on AA against KK or worse. It just gets boring so you give up and then come back. It fills the time I have left before I have to cash in my chips for real.

  • @EricLeetFishing
    @EricLeetFishing Před rokem +29

    Hasn't paid rent in a few months and he is flabbergasted the landlord has locked him out of his illegal poker room and telling him he needs to pay. And then he has the nerve to go to the police to lodge a complaint with lies 🤯

    • @spiffinz
      @spiffinz Před 10 měsíci +1

      He HAD been paying rent, the landlord lied and said they hadn't

    • @UnarmedZombie
      @UnarmedZombie Před 10 měsíci +7

      @@spiffinz In his own words he said he hasn't been paying for 2-3 months and it's the landlord's fault for letting it get that far.

    • @spiffinz
      @spiffinz Před 10 měsíci

      @@UnarmedZombie hmm..... upon reviewing that piece of dialogue its technically possible to interpret it that way yes.

    • @mumblesbadly7708
      @mumblesbadly7708 Před 8 měsíci

      Exactly! He blames the victim of his deadbeat ways for his situation.

    • @jamesmartindale8783
      @jamesmartindale8783 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I wonder if the director ever got paid on the $100 bet on getting his stuff back

  • @jspbipro
    @jspbipro Před rokem +2

    Great documentary..well done!

  • @Falwheel
    @Falwheel Před rokem +1

    Life is certainly an adventure, really enjoyed video, thank you.

  • @Anthony-nv7gd
    @Anthony-nv7gd Před rokem +10

    Others have stated already but definitely a super depressing documentary. 46ish minute mark is as raw of a view into the life of a compulsive degenerate gambler as it gets. Sad that he sincerely believes he’s conquered his gambling and drinking addictions. That said, it’s really a top notch documentary. Well done.

    • @nathanreid2274
      @nathanreid2274 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yes Anthony I completely agree mate, I honestly believe he is a borderline alcoholic to think he can play better drunk. You make more mistakes when you are drunk, you are there to win money to live and pay your bills and make a life for yourself. He definitely has the skills to become a pro but just needs to change a couple of things.

  • @acebenedict9945
    @acebenedict9945 Před rokem +80

    It’s amazing back in the early teens of 2000 , myself included , thought that they were poker pros , it’s crazy to look back at , how big poker was back then , I would estimate at least 97 percent of “poker pros” from that day are no longer poker pros lol

    • @andrewtaylor9146
      @andrewtaylor9146 Před rokem

      After the shooting everyone stopped. Very few are still playing

    • @okiedokiepushmowing9032
      @okiedokiepushmowing9032 Před rokem +12

      Agree. I was earning a decent living winning thousands every month playing party poker and pacific poker. Black Friday hit and never cashed a dime online again. My live play is currently mediocre, but my ROI isn't enough to make a living. Occasionally I play live recreationally, but have accepted that the game has evolved and left my mediocre skills in the dust.

    • @cafferacer
      @cafferacer Před rokem +5

      2003 playing Phil Hellmuth on Ultimate Bet while living in East Palo Alto, him in Palo Alto hahaha . So old it was a fukin limit table.

    • @andrewtaylor9146
      @andrewtaylor9146 Před rokem +2

      @@okiedokiepushmowing9032 that’s because U.S players left the international pool. They used to just give money away online

    • @wesch6354
      @wesch6354 Před rokem +7

      It's because poker evolved. It's not good enough to just play the opponent anymore. You need to study and put in hours of work every week outside of playing to remain relevant today.

  • @breakthroughpropertymanagement

    Thank you for sharing such an important and intimate look into your life. Hope you and your wife are good. Great Doc.

  • @shivasirons6159
    @shivasirons6159 Před rokem +25

    I like to keep my poker philosophy to myself but no one reads my comments anyway so. " The KEY to poker is aggression, the SECRET to poker is folding".

    • @jack42011
      @jack42011 Před rokem +1

      absolutely!
      win as much as possible, lose as little as possible.

    • @Moneyovertruth
      @Moneyovertruth Před rokem

      Lol ya who needs GTO when you know that

    • @OGRE_HATES_NERDS
      @OGRE_HATES_NERDS Před rokem +1

      how is folding a secret

    • @OGRE_HATES_NERDS
      @OGRE_HATES_NERDS Před rokem

      everyone knows about folding

    • @jack42011
      @jack42011 Před rokem +1

      @@OGRE_HATES_NERDS not a secret, THE secret... difference between a pro and a rec... pro's rarely get married to their hands.

  • @Lewissummerson
    @Lewissummerson Před rokem +76

    This is a sick documentary how lucky was I to stumble across this

    • @TheBierman19
      @TheBierman19 Před 6 měsíci

      Sick is the right adjective for this documentary.......but I think I have a different meaning of the word than you do.

    • @Lewissummerson
      @Lewissummerson Před 6 měsíci

      @@TheBierman19 grow up mate. If you don’t like it then don’t watch

    • @TheBierman19
      @TheBierman19 Před 6 měsíci

      I liked it, and I am grown up much more than your childish mind.

    • @Lewissummerson
      @Lewissummerson Před 6 měsíci

      @@TheBierman19 just because my vocabulary is different to yours has nothing to do with how childish I am. Your definitely a 15yr old boy 100%

  • @thedeadmoney82
    @thedeadmoney82 Před rokem +41

    Well done documentary. Loved the back story of each person and had me pulling for each one. Thank you for telling their story.

  • @Harpin519
    @Harpin519 Před rokem +2

    This was so good I wish it was longer , could’ve put an hr on top , Good job , Sorry for your loss , Goodluck 🍀

  • @timcarter817
    @timcarter817 Před rokem +30

    I can’t imagine how he couldn’t watch himself change with every drink and realize how much it is affecting his performance

    • @MikeHlav
      @MikeHlav Před rokem +1

      Can you watch yourself change with every card game and realize how it's affecting you?

    • @snowfox0110
      @snowfox0110 Před rokem

      @@MikeHlav One better be. One should definitely try harder if one cannot.

    • @snowfox0110
      @snowfox0110 Před rokem

      @@MikeHlav One better be. One should definitely try harder if one cannot.

    • @miketang8719
      @miketang8719 Před 4 měsíci

      Idk considering he beat a field of 800+ people for 11th over 3 days of play I’d say he’s actually +EV for each drink he’s had, and then apple picking in the morning right after, some people are built different

    • @timcarter817
      @timcarter817 Před 4 měsíci

      @@miketang8719 lmao wut? You’re judging off a tiny sample size, galaxy brain

  • @loudorchen9897
    @loudorchen9897 Před rokem +89

    There is no more of a sad existence than running around playing live cash games underground to make a living, especially if you aren't very good which seems to be the case with these players.

    • @shivasirons6159
      @shivasirons6159 Před rokem +8

      Lou i dont see how you can say they're not good, we never really get to see how they actually play. The guy who came in 11 th certainly must be pretty good, i,d bet he's better than jamie gold.

    • @loudorchen9897
      @loudorchen9897 Před rokem +21

      @@shivasirons6159 well I searched his online screen name from pokerstars and his biggest win online was 2200$ or so plus he had the phonecall about "unfreezing his funds" at the bank so it's safe to say he isn't doing too well, I'm not saying he was horrible, just saying it takes a really good player these days to make profit steady with a family and so on.

    • @jsh0822
      @jsh0822 Před rokem +9

      Living paycheck to paycheck making a slave wage is the way to go I guess.

    • @loudorchen9897
      @loudorchen9897 Před rokem +1

      get back in your wage cage Wojak

    • @Eye_Radiate_Light
      @Eye_Radiate_Light Před rokem +8

      Existence is a sad existence unless you're hot shit, even then it will eventually become a sad existence.

  • @shivasirons6159
    @shivasirons6159 Před rokem +5

    Well done, i liked the mood music behind it. Best of luck.

  • @veganbutcherhackepeter
    @veganbutcherhackepeter Před rokem +4

    "This guy" at the tournament who flipped over the pocket aces against Danny's kings was poker pro Sorel Mizzi.

  • @War.Nerve.
    @War.Nerve. Před 4 měsíci

    time well spent, thanks

  • @jackd6129
    @jackd6129 Před rokem +1

    Excellent excellent excellent. I spent a few years in these rooms and you captured the emotion perfectly. I was lucky, then not so much, and got out, and it appears you probably did too. Your movie will likely inspire many many others to quit once and for all.

  • @doncurl1845
    @doncurl1845 Před rokem +7

    Do a follow up, would like to see what everybody is doing today

  • @donnamurray163
    @donnamurray163 Před rokem +7

    The amount of ads makes this brutal to watch

  • @casecold1864
    @casecold1864 Před rokem +1

    So good, never expected it!

  • @scottbirkhead7799
    @scottbirkhead7799 Před rokem +3

    Very enjoyable - an interesting look at the world of poker climbers. Loved the music too!

  • @wesch6354
    @wesch6354 Před rokem +14

    Ever since the mid 2000's when I won a free roll poker tournament I've wanted to be a professional poker player. It's a lot harder than this documentary makes it seem. I read books, study charts, and play online almost every day. Yet my win rate isn't enough to earn a living. Mostly because I play in small stakes games. Saving up to move up in stakes is extremely hard. It seems like every time I start building up a bankroll a car breaks down. Or my hvac breaks. Then I have to dip into the bankroll. But I keep grinding and hopefully one day I'll be able to quit my day job.

    • @misterx6276
      @misterx6276 Před rokem

      That's always the hardest spot.

    • @HighTide_808
      @HighTide_808 Před rokem +5

      Keep your job. Poker part time is the way to go

    • @SPQR_14
      @SPQR_14 Před rokem +4

      Poker is a dying game. Most of the fish quit and moved on. Now its tons of regs trying to out GTO one another. Yeah there is still a fish here and there, but my point is you ain't quitting your day job any time soon.

    • @elastronaute1198
      @elastronaute1198 Před 10 měsíci

      Dude it's got a heck of a lot harder than when this documentary was made. The game is borderline 'solved' now. So those that excel are pushing really small edges and choosing the right games etc. It's no where near as easy as it was back then. That's why you're struggling. You're better off putting your time into trying to develop some sort of business on the side.

  • @mgadmusic
    @mgadmusic Před rokem +1

    This was a Great Video! You should make documentaries. Great Job!!!

    • @tymgreentech
      @tymgreentech Před rokem +1

      lol this was a documentary filmed in 2011

  • @karllagerfanny4680
    @karllagerfanny4680 Před rokem

    Great doc matey.

  • @freddiehavens9066
    @freddiehavens9066 Před rokem +19

    I cannot imagine having a family and living this way. Irresponsible.

    • @jamesl9539
      @jamesl9539 Před rokem +11

      Yes, but it makes for a good documentary. People love watching train wreaks.

    • @justinmcpeake192
      @justinmcpeake192 Před rokem +3

      your so correct!!!

    • @casecold1864
      @casecold1864 Před rokem

      Hey, you can always sell your ass at the tram station.
      Different people different lives bro, who are you to judge. They bring in the money, period.

    • @freddiehavens9066
      @freddiehavens9066 Před rokem +1

      @@casecold1864 who am I to judge? Someone who has given everything for his family, given up fun and poker and travel and women etc. That's responsibility. Going to a stable job every day. That's a real man.

    • @mig7290
      @mig7290 Před rokem +1

      @@freddiehavens9066 You're a lawyer not a fast food worker or a n Amazon worker. If people don't have the choice, abilities, or made the effort with studies the poker world has it's appeal.

  • @giuliettarenner1343
    @giuliettarenner1343 Před 9 měsíci +2

    the picture is a perfect example of a true masterpiece going undetected...untill one day......and then....it will be acknowledged.....THIS FILM IS A MASTERWORK....on the level with California Split...Rounders....and The Cincinnati Kid......AND it is GREATER ...

  • @zachcraigle
    @zachcraigle Před rokem

    Excellent job!

  • @TheEpicChronicles
    @TheEpicChronicles Před rokem +38

    As I heard once, poker is the hardest way of making easy money...

    • @Zoggyboyzimmy
      @Zoggyboyzimmy Před rokem

      It’s not that hard

    • @ryceryder85
      @ryceryder85 Před rokem +6

      @@Zoggyboyzimmy it’s tough if you want to make a living from it. 99.99999% of people can’t sustain it long term.

    • @loudorchen9897
      @loudorchen9897 Před rokem +7

      @@Zoggyboyzimmy it's pretty hard

    • @Zoggyboyzimmy
      @Zoggyboyzimmy Před rokem

      @@loudorchen9897 ive been playing full time for 4 years and its easy =]

    • @loudorchen9897
      @loudorchen9897 Před rokem +10

      @@Zoggyboyzimmy I've been playing for 10 and no it isn't, of it was easy everyone would be doing it, and since you're winning so much what's your online screen name so we can see some receipts about your winnings? Oh let me guess you just play live and you have no receipts?

  • @richardboughton8338
    @richardboughton8338 Před rokem +10

    I had a close relative with a gambling addiction, not related to poker, and it almost ruined him, but after meeting the right person in his life, and with a lot of help from us his family, he slowly pulled it around and has not looked back. However he readily admits that just on odd occasions he could easily fall back into again.

  • @jerrygarcia4390
    @jerrygarcia4390 Před rokem +1

    I am sorry that i did not see this earlier. It's very well done.

  • @nigelvarney4042
    @nigelvarney4042 Před rokem

    Lawrence: 'Without risk and adventure, life is not life'. Couldn't agree more mate, God Bless!

  • @aviakaabrahamlanger8767
    @aviakaabrahamlanger8767 Před rokem +10

    The "Cincinnati Kid" club manager has some very funny lines. " I cruise around the law,I don't break the law" very good advert line offering to run a game for the law laugh 😆 😄 😀 smile 😁

    • @brandoncooke6564
      @brandoncooke6564 Před rokem +1

      "that's big screen tv" Lol effin' classic, man

    • @MikeHlav
      @MikeHlav Před rokem

      Yo I was rolling when he said that shit 😂😂

  • @sebastiendroletpoitras3738

    Absolutely loved it, what year was this filmed? Doesn't seem super old but also doesn't seem super recent. I would guess 15 years ago

    • @M_Teague
      @M_Teague Před rokem +3

      2011

    • @jasonbourneistreadstone
      @jasonbourneistreadstone Před rokem +1

      @@M_Teague Yes, that TV Lawrence showed looked a little dated.

    • @OneEyedJack01
      @OneEyedJack01 Před rokem +3

      It's old. Not a single player ever mentioned ranges, balancing, GTO, or equity. If they are not using those terms today, they're not grinders. The fact that not a single one ever mentioned bank roll management shows they are bad grinders.

    • @jasonbourneistreadstone
      @jasonbourneistreadstone Před rokem

      @@OneEyedJack01 Exactly Jack. The other posts on this video saying it can be done I'll not dispute - IF you are a skilled player. But that's not any of these guys.. None of them. According to IMDB, this was completed in 2011, so well after the Poker Boom but nowhere recent. These guys are bad regs - or perfect for the house, except he got blackmailed and robbed too. Literally everyone is this video lost.

  • @millerkoop3848
    @millerkoop3848 Před rokem

    Great Doc!

  • @honesttruth817
    @honesttruth817 Před rokem +1

    Very nice, I enjoyed this.

  • @robbetts
    @robbetts Před rokem +5

    38:00 dude's dad is sitting at the table with goombah sunglasses, talking with food in his mouth while trying to give life advice 🤣

  • @0524432
    @0524432 Před rokem +17

    a fish made a movie about trying to be a real reg "my goal is just just win a few big pots each night" literally no real pro has ever thought or said this ever

    • @CIFD8Champs16
      @CIFD8Champs16 Před rokem +1

      Considering I’ve read Harrington on Cash Games: Part 1 and 2, both more than once, I’ll just tell you you’re completely wrong. If you go ALL IN twice in a session, get called and win both, you’ve more than likely had a profitable session, even if you got WRECKED in most of the small pots throughout the same session.

    • @justinvalthomas3731
      @justinvalthomas3731 Před rokem +2

      I've read a lot of out dated poker books too. Including the ones you mentioned. Successful pros don't try to win a couple 'good' pots a night. The OP is right... that's absolutely something a fish would say.

    • @arthurfonzarelli9828
      @arthurfonzarelli9828 Před rokem +2

      I think he's trying to simplify it for people. Obviously he's has an idea what his hourly wage probably is if he puts the time in and has an edge long term. It's all one big game. Will brunson says you should count how much your head or behind the end of the year only that way you're not letting short-term results get to you

    • @arthurfonzarelli9828
      @arthurfonzarelli9828 Před rokem +1

      @@CIFD8Champs16 it shouldn't matter either way if you're playing with the mindset of it's all one big game then you shouldn't get overly emotional or have a goal like that

    • @OneEyedJack01
      @OneEyedJack01 Před rokem

      @@CIFD8Champs16 If you base your game on Harrington, you're about 25 years behind modern poker theory. You are going to get chewed up and spit out at any competent table.

  • @TacoMental
    @TacoMental Před rokem +2

    Daniel's answer about freedom is pretty spot on.

  • @vygen
    @vygen Před rokem +1

    Really well done.

  • @kiddd65
    @kiddd65 Před rokem +98

    12 years later Andre is still living at home playing $1/$2 on the side. He is a pro "grinder" haha

    • @init2spinit386
      @init2spinit386 Před rokem +4

      Lmfao 💀 🤣

    • @Roedycross
      @Roedycross Před rokem +10

      Rakeback pro

    • @jack42011
      @jack42011 Před rokem +3

      🤣

    • @randyschatz5539
      @randyschatz5539 Před rokem +7

      Andre was super annoying

    • @mikehill8881
      @mikehill8881 Před rokem +21

      He acts like a fool at the table. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a pro. You don’t see pros jumping around like a idiot and yelling at other players.

  • @tomrobertson6747
    @tomrobertson6747 Před 8 měsíci +5

    I like the tenant. He's funny. He's months behind in his rent but the landlord is taking advantage of him.

    • @TheBierman19
      @TheBierman19 Před 6 měsíci

      Funny??? Explain to me how he is funny??

    • @nGUNNARp
      @nGUNNARp Před 6 měsíci

      months behind on rent, running an illegal business out of the space, but wants to go to cops when landlord demands a cut of said illegal business

    • @TheBierman19
      @TheBierman19 Před 6 měsíci

      ........you still haven't described what is funny?!??

    • @tomrobertson6747
      @tomrobertson6747 Před 6 měsíci

      @@TheBierman19 @nGUNNARp spoke for me. By "funny", I meant to call attention to how outrageous it was that he's the leech and he says that his landlord is taking advantage of him.

  • @InnerPartyMember
    @InnerPartyMember Před 4 měsíci

    Great Doc, that little one is an angel.

  • @andresia3021
    @andresia3021 Před rokem +2

    good job!

  • @jeffwinchell7444
    @jeffwinchell7444 Před rokem +9

    I’m pretty sure I watched this years ago, it’s obviously older. Still, really good and hits home. I know exactly how you guys felt, I’m still waiting for my big break. Cashed at the WSOP circuit last week but, not as good as I wanted to. …always unlucky at the end it seems! That’s poker!

  • @scbluesman13
    @scbluesman13 Před rokem +3

    So we've got one low stakes grinder that has no money management skills, and isn't actively studying the game away from the table, another one who's basically a loose cannon with no etiquette at the table, and a club owner who doesn't pay his rent on time.
    These aren't professional poker players, these are avid poker players who make bad money decisions in life. I hope the best for them, I really do, but most grinders I know in the areas where I play would eat these guys for lunch.
    If I ever did decide to quit my day job and play poker full time, you can bet that 75% of the time would be spent studying, when not at the table. You have to keep studying this game because it's constantly changing. The average player today is heaps better than the average player in 1998.

  • @PrivateEye121
    @PrivateEye121 Před rokem +2

    This was a great watch 🙏 from 🇬🇧

  • @hice519
    @hice519 Před rokem +9

    Back when Negreanu didn't have hair.

  • @Hugo_Fernandez
    @Hugo_Fernandez Před rokem +4

    5:10 "I'll take AK suited over a blond everyday, call me g @y" 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Poker.MB4
    @Poker.MB4 Před 8 měsíci

    hey bro! nice job great documentary

  • @FocusedAndMotivated100
    @FocusedAndMotivated100 Před rokem +2

    This was really cool to watch.

  • @Tell_It_Right
    @Tell_It_Right Před rokem +16

    If you're broke and unemployed, gambling is the last thing on earth you need.

    • @theultimatereductionist7592
      @theultimatereductionist7592 Před rokem

      DUH!!

    • @marshawnlynch6244
      @marshawnlynch6244 Před rokem +7

      I'd argue a woman is the last thing you need. At least you might win at the gambling.

    • @aloha270999
      @aloha270999 Před rokem

      ​@@marshawnlynch6244 unless you meet a woman with a good job.

    • @dogguy8603
      @dogguy8603 Před 4 měsíci

      Ehh, poker is one of the few games you will find in a casino where you can get and edge on and win at

  • @steveng8727
    @steveng8727 Před rokem +4

    I heard former pro and 3x bracelet winner Dutch Boyd say almost all poker pros go broke, take heed young gamblers..

  • @garysmithson9707
    @garysmithson9707 Před 8 měsíci

    Great documentary.

  • @toddstewart9922
    @toddstewart9922 Před rokem +1

    Great film. Grinding is hard and only a few can really ado it.

  • @paulcesargonzalez3331
    @paulcesargonzalez3331 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Dad wearing sun glasses at the dinner table is a certified bad ass.

  • @OneOut1
    @OneOut1 Před rokem +5

    I would love to see a follow up to this.

  • @cooliotopnotch6287
    @cooliotopnotch6287 Před 6 měsíci

    topnotch documentary, very real and authentic

  • @PeterAdiSaputro
    @PeterAdiSaputro Před rokem +2

    Good movie, there are a lot of lessons especially for those who aspire to become professional poker player or professional gambler

  • @loudorchen9897
    @loudorchen9897 Před rokem +5

    Victory poker pro? What could possibly go wrong with that.....oh yeah... everything.

  • @billmccollam
    @billmccollam Před rokem +14

    Pretty sad all around.

  • @jm361
    @jm361 Před rokem

    Great film!

  • @kenbagwell8551
    @kenbagwell8551 Před rokem +2

    This was really good. I've done just enough of this crap to appreciate it.

  • @GambleZee
    @GambleZee Před rokem +6

    I have to watch all gambling movies no matter what.

  • @CuriousConnoisseurs
    @CuriousConnoisseurs Před rokem +9

    IM sure this Negreanu Guy is now living in a small appartment deliver Pizza... What a little Dreamer.

    • @jack42011
      @jack42011 Před rokem +3

      lives in a mobile home... can't even afford meat... Poor dude...

    • @charliewatts6895
      @charliewatts6895 Před rokem

      @@jack42011 Living in a van down by the river. Poor bastard.

  • @techrubicon
    @techrubicon Před rokem +1

    Great film