One of the easiest fixes to yukong is just making her skill not tick down if a unit doesnt attack. Would allow her to work super well with bronya and sparkle
main thing that brings her down is that her skill buffing effect only last for the next 2 characters who act. Her ult must also be used within these 2 turns to get the extra effect of crit% and crit dmg.
...you do know that you can build her SPD low to make her go last right? And if you Ulti right after that its a teamwide ATK/crit/critdmg for at least 2 allies turn, she is good with Clara, possibly Adventurine/Ratio aka FUA team...
Having an E6 Tingyun is sort of broken, (which I have) but I feel like an E6 Yukong would be so much better. The fact she was one of the first to buff crit dmg was lovely for me, but later down the line getting Bronya and Tingyun copy’s I saw no reason to use her.
Yukong is alarmingly close to be benched, but if she's the extra power DHIL / Dr. Ratio needs to burst bosses down, I'll gladly bring her in with a hyper offensive team.
Thats the problem tho. She is the option if you dont have any other. There are supports that would benefit that hyper agressive team way more than Tingyun. Thaaats kinda the problem we have been talking about. Everything she can do there is another character who can do it better.
To be honest, if you play DHIL and have a Hanya, Hanya would be a better choice for him. Having Yukong is only good if you can't reach your crit break points. Further amplification of damage, added skill points, and increasing attack and speed could already be provided by Hanya with almost a 100% uptime.
I suspect they will "fix" Yukong (and others) later when a new character is released that would synergize extremely well with Yukong (it means, that new character will have a turn manipulation, energy restoration, speed buffs and only crit will be necessary - from Yukong). And one of the traces will be "When Yukong is in the party...." :) :) :)
It's hopeful thinking but honestly i doubt Yukong will be seeing a huge resurgence any time soon, especially considering the greatness and ease of all the other harmony characters
Investing in Eidolons can be such a trap if you consider how “meta” evolves. It depends on the latest character drop which can happen every two months.
if only they hadnt cucked yukong by having her buffs only lasting the next 2 character turns, if they last longer she'd be good or if her E6 gave her a third stack maybe that would make her more useful
I honestly love Yukong, but she is a nightmare to speedtune. She’s the type of unit that requires high investment, thus not a great unit to be used by anyone who are Newbies, or someone who doesn’t have her E6. Tingyun is a much better alternative and easier to build (with or without Eidolons).
tbh she’s not sub par because she isn’t bronya or sparkle, she is only sub par because she feels shitty to play and requires too much speed tuning to be used at low investment
There are a lot of issues with Yukong. - SP efficiency Her kit has a unique passive to give her normal attack 100% more damage and break bar damage. So unlike other amplifiers (support and debuffer), she's SP neutral. Which isn't actually the case due to how her skill works. You aren't buffing your allies if you do so so she isn't being an amplifier and thus you lose out damage she is supposed to provide. You effectively have a -1 to -2 sp member on the team. - Skill inefficiency Her skill empowers the next 2 turns of your characters. This means only 2 characters gain the bonus she can provide, or god forbid 1 if you have another support. Making her most efficient team, follow ups, but this also means she works best with multiple follow up characters, making it so that if their high speed, she can't actually maintain her buff. And since speed is so important, it becomes a huge flaw. - Ultimate inefficiency To have her give support to the team through her ult. You need to use a skill. Which means waste of energy. And even after e6 you still have to use the skill because it only lasts a turn, so you need to use the skill to buff the others. If her skill lasted 2 rounds then a lot of her issues would disappear naturally and I'm sure her use would jump up.
Blame the game for making content harder and SPD malding become more and more important lol, I mean I use her with Clara + Topaz + Lynx just fine, she's good in that situation when she is the slowest WHILE your team is slower than the enemy (thus Clara can make full use of her buff, with Topaz being the fastest and she's the 2nd one).
@tienvu1282 I mean. Yes and no. Blame the game for giving her real good numbers. But horrible up time to balance it out. If they gave her higher up time and lower numbers, it would fix a lot of her issues a make her more in line with other 4 stars. But na. She strong and solid but hella difficult to use. Not saying shes bad. As you said she can be used reliably with no issue. But to get to that point is demanding.
@@tamamonomae2740 like I said, its the Dev that make content that way, I mean wth do you think MoC/PF have time limit? They encourage pull for new chars that have buffed in stages, ofc. Thus SPD malding, Advance Forward aka more turns become increasingly important on top of your DD and team quality as well if you can't afford to pull on every banner, and since her buff is based on allies turn its detrimental unless your team is like mine above.
The reason I have every harmony unit built besides Yukong is because she's SO high investment. Not only does SHE need investment from relics, lc, and eidolons, but you also need to build the rest of your team around her. You should never have to build your dps around your support; it should always be the other way around. Having to speed tune while also having to make a team that perfectly generates enough SP to make sure both Yukong and DHIL can use their abilities is a major pain. I'd rather stick to my Tingyun-Flex setup Asta is so great because she's low investment - high reward. Just slap hp/def on her, level up her traces, and bam, she's an insane unit. A large SPD buff AND a pretty significant ATK buff if you're up against fire-weak enemies? Don't mind if I do!
If Hoyo added a new mode, especially smth similiar to Units in Blue Archive (basically you have multiple parties with different characters that are not repeats), will make use of the growing roster of characters. Good example is the characters in the 1st party get locked after a fight, then you need another 2nd party which gets locked after the fight, and so on. This means you're incentivised to build more supports and damage dealers who can help fight until you win. (more teams, more characters to build, and more likely you need to strategise which supports to put with which)
I love those videos man!! I follow you since the begining of the game and while sometimes I disagree with you, I always watch your video because you provide a good argument
We need to get a double action support for her to shine. (Buffs an ally to 100% action forward their next turn). Her buffs are so good but very limiting
I've been playing around with ways to make Foxy Grandma work and while she certainly isn't going to be topping out any lists and beating out the best Harmony supports, I am finding some stuff I like about her in a less optimized, for the fun of it, way. - I'm running her on a team of Welt (E1)/Ruan Mei/Yukong/Lynx. Admittedly the team basically came into being to find a use for my Ruan Mei since my Acheron isn't E2 and my RM was well itemized, but it's actually a pretty fun little comp even if it certainly isn't the one 0 cycling. - E6 is hugely helpful for Yukong since it adds a stack of Bowstrings to her Ult, letting her both land a very nasty hit of her own and being fired off on Welt's turn lets him skill and ult with the benefits if my timing is off. E6 also means if the turn order allows you can let Yukong do her basic attack, which her Talent makes into a very good toughness breaker for Imaginary. - She benefits from an energy regeneration substantially (I know, typical for a Harmony) but she has multiple traces and eidolons that also boost her energy, so she'll often be using her Ultimate more often than you'd expect for 130. - Yukong has a lot of self-buffing potential: E4 (+30% DMG w/Bowstrings), A4 (+12% Imaginary DMG), Talent (+80% Imaginary DMG, 100% more Toughness reducing on her basic attack every other time she uses it), Skill (80% ATK), Ultimate (28% Crit Rate, 65% Damage), Throw in that her Ultimate is a 380% single target and remember we're not even getting into LC and you can see why she's capable of putting down a surprisingly nasty shot now and then, especially in the aforementioned case of E6 letting you be looser with her timing. I find that I'm often using her more like a secondary DPS than a support. - One thing it took me a bit to notice is that unlike a lot of other harmony characters, like Sparkle's crit and TY's attack boost, Yukong's boosts are flat and not tied to her own stats. This means you can really build her straight out like an attack character who just happens to wear an ERR rope and be be surprisingly well rewarded for it. - She is still very hard to use compared to like, anyone, but fun and if you're the kind of person who likes the challenge of making 'bad' characters work, I think she can be fun. Hard to not feel some degree of payoff because she lands a nasty attack with the sheer amount of self-buffing she can create.
There are ways to buff older characters to keep them in meta. Aether Gazer gives certain older characters something called "Synergy" which has to be unlocked first and leveled up with unique materials and meeting certain requirements. Synergy boosts these characters a great deal and makes them viable for current meta, infact some of the best teams has these characters in question because of this Synergy mechanic. If Hoyo wanted to buff characters, they'd follow this mechanics and it would make us and them happy.
Her ideal purpose is Buffing an imaginary dps who directly scales woth atk and crit, can often attack out of turn or advances themself in their own kit. According to very old dreams, Screwllum is her best theoretical dps
Had an E6 yukong paired with my E4S1 DHIL, and its a pain in the ass to speedtune with a Pela, and Bailu with Vonwaq fcking up the turn order for me to burst shit immediately
tbh i hated it whenever enemies were weak to imaginary before dhil's release since my characters weren't that strong i relied on breaking their toughness as quickly as possible and i would groan when i saw imaginary bc yukong was the only imaginary unit i had and i just had no clue how to play her so i'd just use her for her basic atk and ultimate she wasn't e6 until dhil's banner where i benched her for good bc i got him now imaginary is my favorite to use bc i have him i even use him against enemies that aren't weak to imaginary bc he's that strong esp now with sparkle my yukong is collecting dust and i don't see myself building her same with hanya bc i have sparkle
i've had massive fun with her in SU. Just bring extra debuff blessings so you don't have to worry about debuff sustain and feild her and Ratio. Works wonders.
Im gonna say it. Yukong is the worst harmony there is rn. And you missed lots of points here too. Aside from speed tuning, she is sp hungry unlinke every other harmony units. She gives around 12 percent passive buff but most of her dedicated dps are in much much need of sp, DHIL and ratio. Even if you speed tune her if your enemies have speed debuff or delays in their attacks. Your rotations are pretty much ruined. Her ult buff only lasts for one ally turn! This is very bad coz you can’t do combos, her buffs disappear with Lunaes e2 action advance. Also doesn’t work with follow ups. And you gotta unleash all the damage ults otherwise it’s minus million damage for your team. Hunt blessings are a bad match for her in SU. I built her and invested so much for her coz my research when I first started playing said she’s a match for DHIL which is the character that lured me to this game. I have her at e6, fully built, speed tuned. And I regret everything and she’ll be resting forever. THIS IS A WARNING. Do not invest and build her. It’s not worth it. Better invest on tingyun or asta. Don’t even mention bronya as another sp hungry harmony coz she can be built so fast you can be sp neutral or even positive with her e1 and dedicated LC.
Thanks god i started the game quite late missing all her rate up banner so i didn't build her, i really like her animation and character design tho it's just so cool but now that i have e1s0 Ruan Mei and e0s1 sparkle and with everybody warning i don't think i need to invest in another hypercarry buffer anymore, tingyun and pela e6 can do.
As much as i want to disagree because Yukong's animations and buffs can kinda go crazy, she definitely falls off of literally ANYTHING goes wrong and she's super sp hungry
Lmao same. When she first released I knew she'll be terrible, but the fact she gave nice Crit buffs and IMG dmg buff tempted me to build her for IL. My IL had her for a long time and it was soooo annoying. I couldn't run Wind set Pela or else she'd steal the atk buff for IL and with bosses like Phantylia I had to rely on burst to have my IL receive the buff(I had e6 Yukong btw). I thought that Pela and Luocha would produce enough sp for both Yukong and IL, but nope I still had to pass on her skill sometimes and again, rely on her burst only. Eventually I decided I had enough coping with the fact I wasted mats on her and switched her for Tingyun. I don't remember how much difference in dmg it was, but it was definitely much better to play without her. So yeah, like OP said don't build Yukong even for your IMG dps, you're better off coping with Asta if you don't have Bronya and/or Tingyun. Hell Hanya is also pretty dope even at e0 than Yukong Unless you don't care about meta and you really like Yukong, but be warned you're gonna suffer a lot
One of my earliest team comps was Clara, Tingyun, Yukong and Luocha. To this day, this is the only team comp where I use Yukong because I feel like Clara is the only DPS who can fully make use of her buffs but after replacing her with Ruan Mei who made such a huge difference, I knew it was over for Yukong... I still remember how excited I was when Yukong was announced as playable because she's 4* Bronya in a way, she had so much potential but she's very demanding to make use of even if it's just the bare minimum.
@@OrangePillow-pe3hl oh, lmao i thought u meant narratively cuz his ascension to outmatching others as the xianshou luofu arcs continue would definitely be worthwhile (cuz he got beat up by basically everyone in the story lol)
Yukong is bad because she’s so hard to speed tune with more than one team. I tried very hard when she was released to make her work because I like her overall kit but it’s very annoying to deal with her skill and alt timings to line up major damage bursts.
The worst thing is shes about to get fullt powercrept by harmony trailblazer 💀💀 (which is technically GOOD bc considering the time spent on the quests to get then they SHOULD be worth using)
I was only using her in my Traitor Lunae team but since I got Ruan Mei I benched her indefinitely. They cant retroactively buff her either since she actually has no niche. Anything and everything she can do can be done by almost all the other harmony units too. She isnt too niche that she doesnt "fit" into team comps. She is just numerically inferior to everyone.
She's really clunky to use when she's under E6 - I found myself having an easier time using Tingyun and Hanya with my DHIL than her. I'm also planning on getting Sparkle on her rerun for him as well.
2:30 Gonna have to disagree, Genshin handles it's teambuilding WAY worse than HSR does *because* of how niche its characters are. IMO, one of the main benefits of having teams is giving challenges to the player that require them to change their combinations of characters, and in Genshin, most characters only have one or a few teams that are ALWAYS going to be their strongest. I guess you could argue HSR doesn't do this MUCH better (if not worse) when there are just a few Harmony units who are the best for everyone all the time, but IMO, they at least each provide a few buffs for most characters (unlike providing a bunch of buffs for a few characters, like Faruzan), and elemental weaknesses are a consideration sometimes, which allows for SOME variety. If all of the Harmony characters didn't have buffs that overlapped with each other quite as much (and were situation dependent), but were still versatile enough to be paired with most hypercarries, I think that would be perfect. Let's pray that that is the direction HoYo takes future 5 star Harmonies (though I guess situationally dependent Harmonies would be annoying for people trying to invest in characters, I'd rather have a character limited by situation than limited by team comp).
I feel like Yukong is still a great unit. She’s not a MoC character for 0 cycles, but she’s great with crit rate and crit damage buffs naturally in her kit. I think follow up team comps get interesting with her
why dont they make her skill do a little speed buff and her ultimate just activates her ult just like e6 and change e6 for 3 stacks of points instad of 2
I mean to be fair, being as good or better than Sparkle/Bronya is such a high bar. For he to provide this much as a 4* harmony imaginary unit that you can get for free, she's real good for what she does.
I still constantly use my yukong. Some of my characters just rely on her ult buff to do their damage, as sad as that is. I also can't clear content fast enough to care about meta. Bronya is fun with the right teams, but I don't rely on her the same way. Same with sparkle. I have her and her signature light cone but she's not built yet, because I just don't think she'd be as big a help as people make her seem. Ruan Mei is yet another character I don't personally see the hype for. I feel like she just doesn't do her niche well enough at times, and other times she is really busted. Maybe my characters are just really poorly built, or I'm playing the teams wrong, but I'm also playing for myself and what I can accomplish, not worrying about what's good or meta
Tbh Ruan Mei doesn't exactly have a niche - she'll have soon with Boothill but otherwise you just throw her in and she'll be valuable. Giving perma 60% damage buff and other benefits tends to do that
It all boils down to investment. She’s actually pretty good of a unit, but the investment to make her good is so hard when HSR is throwing all these new characters at your face. If they slow down a little, I’m sure there’ll be more Yukong eventually
Speed tuning is such a massive turn-off for me. I cant do that for every dps character and support that I want to use with her. Her E6 doesnt make it any better either because her rotation is still clunky. I wouldnt say she's a badly designed character. Its just that relic farming makes it difficult for her to perform well in her niche.
Dr. Ratio is ALMOST the perfect character for Yukong. Sadly, he takes up a lot of SP. What Yukong needs is, as you said, an Imaginary Destruction character who takes up less SP. What I may add is that they should ALSO be able to attack beyond their turn, like a FUA playstyle. This is why Yukong will likely be the best teammate for Aventurine. He checks all the boxes, but he's unfortunately more of a sustain. If we ever get someone who plays similarly to Aventurine, Yukong will rise in usage.
Turn manipulation doesn’t automatically make a support top tier. It’s still just a type of buff. Ruan Mei has almost none of that and she’s still powerful. The problem with Yukong is that she doesn’t provide much at all. 130 crit value and 88% atk (at e6) isn’t enough for someone who only does that. Hoyo can easily make a good support that doesn’t have advance/spd powerful by giving them a lot of damage increase. Like if a 5 star Yukong has the exact same e0 kit but with an extra 75% dmg on skill and 30% defense ignore on ult, she’s going to be absolutely meta.
Idk I just feel like Yukong’s buff doesn’t last long enough. It’s a good buff but it’s gone before your character even plays. You need to time it PERFECTLY
yukong's talent needs to be reworked, it offers no value. She doesn't need extra atk or toughness reduction, she's a buffer support, she doesn't need atk stat because you want her for her skill, which is not an attack, and also because if you did use her as a dps, that's another set of dps gear for crit, critdmg, and atk% for another unit, except you want an energy regen rope for her which conflicts with an atk% rope that a dps wants. They should change her talent to enhance her support buffer role further. her constraints should match her benefits, she already has speed tuning requirements to match the team's turn order so her prefered dual dps setup can fully utilize her skill's procs. once aventurine comes out, imaginary could run a decent team with her as aventurine being the sustain, dr ratio as damage 1, and possibly welt as damage 2. Only reason i'm leaving DHIL out is because he's going to be SP hungry if people want to run him full speed, but still doable if a turn is taken where your units spam basic attack instead of skill to set up for the following turn to burst. but yeah, yukong talent has to get reworked, it adds borderline nothing as it is. her eidolon 4 as wel, she's not a damage dealer, she doesn' need to do 30% more damage to enemies.
I don't get it honestly. Almost every other harmony character has a buff extension trace or eidolon. Why can't she? Also, there's the issue where her turn limit is unconditional. Even bronya, which basically gives up her own turn, spends a usage of bowstrings.
I feel like the alternative to solution for her would have been to tie her losing stacks of Bowstrings to when someone uses an Attack or Skill. This would make her less finicky to speed tune and more able to synergize with other supports. I think the reason for this being excluded was the concern that she'd get too much mileage out of her buffs on FUA characters but I don't know, maybe if that was an issue make the buff only work on regular attacks and skills.
@@thebadshave503 Perhaps, but things like follow up attacks (except for Lightning lord and Numby) and ultimates already don't consume stacks. Bowstrings is confusing, that's for certain.
Tbh I think it's fine that Sparkle powercreeps Yukong. Limited units consistently powercreep free ones, whether dps or support or sustain. That being said, for a while, Yukong had the lowest average cycles of any char in the game for MoC and I think that speaks for itself. She's defo been powercrept in many teams, but so have the likes of Asta and Hanya and I think she has higher potential than both.
Yukong doesn't bring anything to the table even when she was released and with the added fact that shes annoying to play without eidolons. Star rail has a Advance Forward problem (Bronya/Sparkle/Robin), but its not related to Yukong in the slightest. Sorry for Essaying but this is how i think about these supports. Yukong = Low buff uptime, mediocre buff potency, no gimmicks. Pela = High Debuff uptime, Mediocre debuff potency (Can run tutorial for perma Debuff potency or Sweat for higher debuff potency without sacrificing much uptime) Tingyun = High Buff uptime, High buff potency + Insane energy (Sparkle/Ruan mei tier for some units) Asta = Insane buff uptime, Mediocre Buff potency (Biggest victim of advance forward shenanigans) Bronya = Low buff uptime, HOLY FUCK buff potency + Advance Forward (OG broken unit) Sparkle = High buff uptime, HOLY FUCK Buff potency + Advance Forward + 4 skillpoint (2.0 of the OG broken unit) Ruan mei = High buff uptime, HOLY FUCK buff potency + ENEMY turn manipulation via break efficiency. (Seriously what the fuck is this unit and why is her animations so mid but shes so busyed) Hanya = High buff uptime, Mediocre buff potency + Skillpoints. (Why is burden not a debuff, its literally called BURDEN MF) SW = Mediocre Debuff uptime, High debuff potency + weakness type addition. (Hot take, Pela better) This is my own thoughts about our current supports, i do not take criticism purely from the FACT that im a god gamer /s
Yukong have the best buff in the entire game so idk about mediocre buff potency lol Pela have high debuff potency especially with her eidolon SW have the highest debuff uptime on the list (4 turn) and the highest potency (53% def shred 13% elemental reduction and her other bugs)
I don't think 88% increase attack and 129 CV in buffs at E6 is considered 'mediocre buff potency' if we are looking at max damage you can deal on a per hit basis. You can criticize her clunkiness and difficulty of use and nicheness etc but there is no way calling her buffs mediocre is right. It is in fact one of the most potent buffs lol. It is much higher than bronya, sparkle ,tingyun and ruan mei (al lat E0) if just comparing potency based on max per hit damage if you adjust your crit ratio based on her buffs eg build a lot less crit rate since yukong gives 29.4% You are also the 1st person I have seen criticize SW's debuff uptime lol . Her main weakness is that her energy rotation is kinda bad at E0. Her debuffs last 3 turns which is longer than pela but all elites should die before that I personally never have had any issues speed tuning any supports since they have very flexible gear with no real set bonuses besides maybe 2 piece messenger so I just need to swap in and out 1 piece of gear to get them to the right speed
Yukong has quite literally, the strongest harmony buffs currently available in game. Except maybe compared to Ruan Mei. If Yukong’s buff wasn’t limited like how it is, she’d be too strong to be a four star. She’s BIS for ultra hypercarry Imaginary teams :)
pls as shes still one of the top clears for CN players, global needs to stop relying on shit they see everywhere lmao. (has higher clear rate higher than sparkle btw, even on a MOC thats not favored for her.)
i still use yukong with planetary rende LC for my E2 dhil + LC and sparkle + LC team . she just need to stand there and do nothing but gives tons of imaginary damage
Lmao no she isn't. From the two examples you mentioned: While Topaz can go with NA spam, Ratio needs to use his skill to get his follow up atk. So he and Yukong are going to battle over who gets SP before it runs out IL does get a lot out of her buffs... But they play terrible together. I know because I used her with him, e6 as well. And there were so many times that my Pela and Luocha were getting buffs instead of my IL, so I had to rely on her burst. Against enemies that can decrease action value(like Phantylia) you're basically fucked. She's a complete nightmare to use, so even just looking at the 4* department she's not worth it. For dual dps you can cope with Asta if you don't own Mei(and in a team like Topaz and Himeko she's even more amazing, better than Yukong in Topaz with Ratio duo or just IL). And for hyper carry teams you have Tingyun and Hanya, you can use both or just one of them and you're great. The Crit +atk buff alongside her dmg buff for IMG element isn't worth it
@@Sloth-tr7bd I don't know bro. I never had problems you mentioned. My team tingyun(160)s3 dd Yukong(152)e6 Luocha (149) Il(108). All are f2p and I hit 180k every turn and 350 k with her ult buff. I hope you try using her when to use the skill or basic atk.
@@Sloth-tr7bd as for ratio and topaz run . Always use ult after Ratio use ult and gets out of his turn to trigger fua from next character. Anyways I never had problems. I used her a lot.
I use Yukong and I love her. Her biggest issue is definitely the short span of her skill buff, she would easily be my best support if it lasted a little longer, it really limits her usability.
I use her E6 in my DH IL hypercarry team with tingyun and luocha It basically goes like: (Luocha passive for 20% atk buff ult when needed) tingyun skill - yukong basic - yukong ult - IL ult - tingyun ult - IL enhanced atk and it works pretty well for me
Yukong's best feature is being the most accurate balloon shooter to get the Balloon achievements in Penacony. Her ears act as iron sights 😅
Really? Haha I've used Asta for that since her attack has a really long range and shoots through obstacles
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Speed tuning is like kriptonite to me
One of the easiest fixes to yukong is just making her skill not tick down if a unit doesnt attack. Would allow her to work super well with bronya and sparkle
main thing that brings her down is that her skill buffing effect only last for the next 2 characters who act. Her ult must also be used within these 2 turns to get the extra effect of crit% and crit dmg.
...you do know that you can build her SPD low to make her go last right? And if you Ulti right after that its a teamwide ATK/crit/critdmg for at least 2 allies turn, she is good with Clara, possibly Adventurine/Ratio aka FUA team...
@@tienvu1282 thats the point. having to have specific speed tuning that only works in that specific team. it severely limits where u can use her
@@tienvu1282and then you get CC'd by an enemy
Whopse spd tuning gone
Literally if they just made her stacks work like asta or tingyun she would be sooo much better
If she worked like tingyun or asta she'd powercreep them outta hell
@@leekyonion then nerf her buff, EZ solved. because consistent support is must
Having an E6 Tingyun is sort of broken, (which I have) but I feel like an E6 Yukong would be so much better. The fact she was one of the first to buff crit dmg was lovely for me, but later down the line getting Bronya and Tingyun copy’s I saw no reason to use her.
Yukong is alarmingly close to be benched, but if she's the extra power DHIL / Dr. Ratio needs to burst bosses down, I'll gladly bring her in with a hyper offensive team.
Thats the problem tho. She is the option if you dont have any other. There are supports that would benefit that hyper agressive team way more than Tingyun. Thaaats kinda the problem we have been talking about. Everything she can do there is another character who can do it better.
To be honest, if you play DHIL and have a Hanya, Hanya would be a better choice for him.
Having Yukong is only good if you can't reach your crit break points. Further amplification of damage, added skill points, and increasing attack and speed could already be provided by Hanya with almost a 100% uptime.
she's giving faruzan 💀
She makes faruzan feels like bennett
@@IceKnight678 man your damage must suck if your using Bennett as there is no difficulty in Genshin.
@@phantomblade89 ok
@@indraa3854 am I wrong? I played three years, I know what I'm talking about
I suspect they will "fix" Yukong (and others) later when a new character is released that would synergize extremely well with Yukong (it means, that new character will have a turn manipulation, energy restoration, speed buffs and only crit will be necessary - from Yukong). And one of the traces will be "When Yukong is in the party...." :) :) :)
It's hopeful thinking but honestly i doubt Yukong will be seeing a huge resurgence any time soon, especially considering the greatness and ease of all the other harmony characters
Also Robin is going to come in 2.2
why do they need fix a 4star support who already fixed lock up they eidolons 😂
Investing in Eidolons can be such a trap if you consider how “meta” evolves. It depends on the latest character drop which can happen every two months.
if only they hadnt cucked yukong by having her buffs only lasting the next 2 character turns, if they last longer she'd be good or if her E6 gave her a third stack maybe that would make her more useful
I honestly love Yukong, but she is a nightmare to speedtune. She’s the type of unit that requires high investment, thus not a great unit to be used by anyone who are Newbies, or someone who doesn’t have her E6. Tingyun is a much better alternative and easier to build (with or without Eidolons).
That buff 2 character limit is what prevents her from being reasonable. Sadly hoyo doesnt bother with fixing characters they design poorly. :(
I built her not realizing I needed her e6, much regret
tbh she’s not sub par because she isn’t bronya or sparkle, she is only sub par because she feels shitty to play and requires too much speed tuning to be used at low investment
There are a lot of issues with Yukong.
- SP efficiency
Her kit has a unique passive to give her normal attack 100% more damage and break bar damage. So unlike other amplifiers (support and debuffer), she's SP neutral. Which isn't actually the case due to how her skill works. You aren't buffing your allies if you do so so she isn't being an amplifier and thus you lose out damage she is supposed to provide. You effectively have a -1 to -2 sp member on the team.
- Skill inefficiency
Her skill empowers the next 2 turns of your characters. This means only 2 characters gain the bonus she can provide, or god forbid 1 if you have another support. Making her most efficient team, follow ups, but this also means she works best with multiple follow up characters, making it so that if their high speed, she can't actually maintain her buff. And since speed is so important, it becomes a huge flaw.
- Ultimate inefficiency
To have her give support to the team through her ult. You need to use a skill. Which means waste of energy. And even after e6 you still have to use the skill because it only lasts a turn, so you need to use the skill to buff the others.
If her skill lasted 2 rounds then a lot of her issues would disappear naturally and I'm sure her use would jump up.
Blame the game for making content harder and SPD malding become more and more important lol, I mean I use her with Clara + Topaz + Lynx just fine, she's good in that situation when she is the slowest WHILE your team is slower than the enemy (thus Clara can make full use of her buff, with Topaz being the fastest and she's the 2nd one).
@tienvu1282 I mean. Yes and no.
Blame the game for giving her real good numbers. But horrible up time to balance it out. If they gave her higher up time and lower numbers, it would fix a lot of her issues a make her more in line with other 4 stars. But na. She strong and solid but hella difficult to use.
Not saying shes bad. As you said she can be used reliably with no issue. But to get to that point is demanding.
@@tamamonomae2740 like I said, its the Dev that make content that way, I mean wth do you think MoC/PF have time limit? They encourage pull for new chars that have buffed in stages, ofc. Thus SPD malding, Advance Forward aka more turns become increasingly important on top of your DD and team quality as well if you can't afford to pull on every banner, and since her buff is based on allies turn its detrimental unless your team is like mine above.
The reason I have every harmony unit built besides Yukong is because she's SO high investment. Not only does SHE need investment from relics, lc, and eidolons, but you also need to build the rest of your team around her.
You should never have to build your dps around your support; it should always be the other way around.
Having to speed tune while also having to make a team that perfectly generates enough SP to make sure both Yukong and DHIL can use their abilities is a major pain. I'd rather stick to my Tingyun-Flex setup
Asta is so great because she's low investment - high reward. Just slap hp/def on her, level up her traces, and bam, she's an insane unit. A large SPD buff AND a pretty significant ATK buff if you're up against fire-weak enemies? Don't mind if I do!
sad :c she has a really cool design
Her and Hanya
If Hoyo added a new mode, especially smth similiar to Units in Blue Archive (basically you have multiple parties with different characters that are not repeats), will make use of the growing roster of characters.
Good example is the characters in the 1st party get locked after a fight, then you need another 2nd party which gets locked after the fight, and so on. This means you're incentivised to build more supports and damage dealers who can help fight until you win. (more teams, more characters to build, and more likely you need to strategise which supports to put with which)
So you mean memory of chaos ? Because you just described memory of chaos
they already do this wdym
I think he means a mode with more than just two parties
I love those videos man!!
I follow you since the begining of the game and while sometimes I disagree with you, I always watch your video because you provide a good argument
Same here
For a 4* Yukong gives a solid buff
We need to get a double action support for her to shine. (Buffs an ally to 100% action forward their next turn). Her buffs are so good but very limiting
I've been playing around with ways to make Foxy Grandma work and while she certainly isn't going to be topping out any lists and beating out the best Harmony supports, I am finding some stuff I like about her in a less optimized, for the fun of it, way.
- I'm running her on a team of Welt (E1)/Ruan Mei/Yukong/Lynx. Admittedly the team basically came into being to find a use for my Ruan Mei since my Acheron isn't E2 and my RM was well itemized, but it's actually a pretty fun little comp even if it certainly isn't the one 0 cycling.
- E6 is hugely helpful for Yukong since it adds a stack of Bowstrings to her Ult, letting her both land a very nasty hit of her own and being fired off on Welt's turn lets him skill and ult with the benefits if my timing is off. E6 also means if the turn order allows you can let Yukong do her basic attack, which her Talent makes into a very good toughness breaker for Imaginary.
- She benefits from an energy regeneration substantially (I know, typical for a Harmony) but she has multiple traces and eidolons that also boost her energy, so she'll often be using her Ultimate more often than you'd expect for 130.
- Yukong has a lot of self-buffing potential: E4 (+30% DMG w/Bowstrings), A4 (+12% Imaginary DMG), Talent (+80% Imaginary DMG, 100% more Toughness reducing on her basic attack every other time she uses it), Skill (80% ATK), Ultimate (28% Crit Rate, 65% Damage), Throw in that her Ultimate is a 380% single target and remember we're not even getting into LC and you can see why she's capable of putting down a surprisingly nasty shot now and then, especially in the aforementioned case of E6 letting you be looser with her timing. I find that I'm often using her more like a secondary DPS than a support.
- One thing it took me a bit to notice is that unlike a lot of other harmony characters, like Sparkle's crit and TY's attack boost, Yukong's boosts are flat and not tied to her own stats. This means you can really build her straight out like an attack character who just happens to wear an ERR rope and be be surprisingly well rewarded for it.
- She is still very hard to use compared to like, anyone, but fun and if you're the kind of person who likes the challenge of making 'bad' characters work, I think she can be fun. Hard to not feel some degree of payoff because she lands a nasty attack with the sheer amount of self-buffing she can create.
what build are you running on her right now? im building her after getting her e6 and im not sure how to build her
There are ways to buff older characters to keep them in meta. Aether Gazer gives certain older characters something called "Synergy" which has to be unlocked first and leveled up with unique materials and meeting certain requirements.
Synergy boosts these characters a great deal and makes them viable for current meta, infact some of the best teams has these characters in question because of this Synergy mechanic. If Hoyo wanted to buff characters, they'd follow this mechanics and it would make us and them happy.
Her ideal purpose is Buffing an imaginary dps who directly scales woth atk and crit, can often attack out of turn or advances themself in their own kit. According to very old dreams, Screwllum is her best theoretical dps
I love Yukong! I have her at E6
Had an E6 yukong paired with my E4S1 DHIL, and its a pain in the ass to speedtune with a Pela, and Bailu with Vonwaq fcking up the turn order for me to burst shit immediately
I have faith in a lot of units now because of pure fiction. Especially if they add another mode similar to it you never know who will jump up
theres just a point where the troubles u have to go through just isnt worth it
I thought we all already knew why but good vid anyway
All she would need is for her buffs to count down after HER turns, and not after her ALLY's turns.
thanks
Yukong needs a rework like asap lol
tbh i hated it whenever enemies were weak to imaginary before dhil's release since my characters weren't that strong i relied on breaking their toughness as quickly as possible and i would groan when i saw imaginary bc yukong was the only imaginary unit i had and i just had no clue how to play her so i'd just use her for her basic atk and ultimate she wasn't e6 until dhil's banner where i benched her for good bc i got him now imaginary is my favorite to use bc i have him i even use him against enemies that aren't weak to imaginary bc he's that strong esp now with sparkle my yukong is collecting dust and i don't see myself building her same with hanya bc i have sparkle
i've had massive fun with her in SU. Just bring extra debuff blessings so you don't have to worry about debuff sustain and feild her and Ratio. Works wonders.
I have her e6. Im obliterating with my il.
still waiting for her rerun it's been too long
Well she got replace easily one day if they released harmony with crit rate,crit DMG buff without speed tuning (like ruan mei turn mechanic)
i don't remeber why but i built yukong instead of tingyun both at e0... now i realize ive made a mistake
Im gonna say it. Yukong is the worst harmony there is rn. And you missed lots of points here too.
Aside from speed tuning, she is sp hungry unlinke every other harmony units. She gives around 12 percent passive buff but most of her dedicated dps are in much much need of sp, DHIL and ratio.
Even if you speed tune her if your enemies have speed debuff or delays in their attacks. Your rotations are pretty much ruined.
Her ult buff only lasts for one ally turn! This is very bad coz you can’t do combos, her buffs disappear with Lunaes e2 action advance. Also doesn’t work with follow ups. And you gotta unleash all the damage ults otherwise it’s minus million damage for your team. Hunt blessings are a bad match for her in SU.
I built her and invested so much for her coz my research when I first started playing said she’s a match for DHIL which is the character that lured me to this game.
I have her at e6, fully built, speed tuned. And I regret everything and she’ll be resting forever.
THIS IS A WARNING. Do not invest and build her. It’s not worth it. Better invest on tingyun or asta.
Don’t even mention bronya as another sp hungry harmony coz she can be built so fast you can be sp neutral or even positive with her e1 and dedicated LC.
Thanks god i started the game quite late missing all her rate up banner so i didn't build her, i really like her animation and character design tho it's just so cool but now that i have e1s0 Ruan Mei and e0s1 sparkle and with everybody warning i don't think i need to invest in another hypercarry buffer anymore, tingyun and pela e6 can do.
As much as i want to disagree because Yukong's animations and buffs can kinda go crazy, she definitely falls off of literally ANYTHING goes wrong and she's super sp hungry
Lmao same. When she first released I knew she'll be terrible, but the fact she gave nice Crit buffs and IMG dmg buff tempted me to build her for IL. My IL had her for a long time and it was soooo annoying. I couldn't run Wind set Pela or else she'd steal the atk buff for IL and with bosses like Phantylia I had to rely on burst to have my IL receive the buff(I had e6 Yukong btw). I thought that Pela and Luocha would produce enough sp for both Yukong and IL, but nope I still had to pass on her skill sometimes and again, rely on her burst only. Eventually I decided I had enough coping with the fact I wasted mats on her and switched her for Tingyun. I don't remember how much difference in dmg it was, but it was definitely much better to play without her.
So yeah, like OP said don't build Yukong even for your IMG dps, you're better off coping with Asta if you don't have Bronya and/or Tingyun. Hell Hanya is also pretty dope even at e0 than Yukong
Unless you don't care about meta and you really like Yukong, but be warned you're gonna suffer a lot
One of my earliest team comps was Clara, Tingyun, Yukong and Luocha.
To this day, this is the only team comp where I use Yukong because I feel like Clara is the only DPS who can fully make use of her buffs but after replacing her with Ruan Mei who made such a huge difference, I knew it was over for Yukong...
I still remember how excited I was when Yukong was announced as playable because she's 4* Bronya in a way, she had so much potential but she's very demanding to make use of even if it's just the bare minimum.
Yanqing's fall from grace can be a nice story.
Seele banner. The end.
@@bigpoof3349more like jingliu banner, he had some uses before as a ice dps but after jingliu there is no reason to use him anymore
@@OrangePillow-pe3hl oh, lmao i thought u meant narratively cuz his ascension to outmatching others as the xianshou luofu arcs continue would definitely be worthwhile (cuz he got beat up by basically everyone in the story lol)
Yukong is bad because she’s so hard to speed tune with more than one team. I tried very hard when she was released to make her work because I like her overall kit but it’s very annoying to deal with her skill and alt timings to line up major damage bursts.
I have her at E2 and I use her with Argenti. She's a pretty good unit though I'm trying to E6 her so she can be more SP positive.
She was my favorite 4 character but sparkle came and I dont even use her anymore
The worst thing is shes about to get fullt powercrept by harmony trailblazer 💀💀 (which is technically GOOD bc considering the time spent on the quests to get then they SHOULD be worth using)
I was only using her in my Traitor Lunae team but since I got Ruan Mei I benched her indefinitely. They cant retroactively buff her either since she actually has no niche. Anything and everything she can do can be done by almost all the other harmony units too. She isnt too niche that she doesnt "fit" into team comps. She is just numerically inferior to everyone.
She's really clunky to use when she's under E6 - I found myself having an easier time using Tingyun and Hanya with my DHIL than her. I'm also planning on getting Sparkle on her rerun for him as well.
2:30 Gonna have to disagree, Genshin handles it's teambuilding WAY worse than HSR does *because* of how niche its characters are. IMO, one of the main benefits of having teams is giving challenges to the player that require them to change their combinations of characters, and in Genshin, most characters only have one or a few teams that are ALWAYS going to be their strongest.
I guess you could argue HSR doesn't do this MUCH better (if not worse) when there are just a few Harmony units who are the best for everyone all the time, but IMO, they at least each provide a few buffs for most characters (unlike providing a bunch of buffs for a few characters, like Faruzan), and elemental weaknesses are a consideration sometimes, which allows for SOME variety. If all of the Harmony characters didn't have buffs that overlapped with each other quite as much (and were situation dependent), but were still versatile enough to be paired with most hypercarries, I think that would be perfect. Let's pray that that is the direction HoYo takes future 5 star Harmonies (though I guess situationally dependent Harmonies would be annoying for people trying to invest in characters, I'd rather have a character limited by situation than limited by team comp).
The "bronya sparkle" situation will happen all over again because Aventurin is just Gepard+
I like using Yukong for fun when I wanna nuke the enemy w as much dmg as possible
I've been playing her with Aventurine, Ratio and Silverwolf... It's a good team but really expensive cuz my Yukong is E6.
she's extremely both skill point hungry and energy hungry. her ult not working if she has her skill active is just stupidly ridiculous
I feel like Yukong is still a great unit. She’s not a MoC character for 0 cycles, but she’s great with crit rate and crit damage buffs naturally in her kit. I think follow up team comps get interesting with her
why dont they make her skill do a little speed buff and her ultimate just activates her ult just like e6 and change e6 for 3 stacks of points instad of 2
pokemon osts :')
I mean to be fair, being as good or better than Sparkle/Bronya is such a high bar. For he to provide this much as a 4* harmony imaginary unit that you can get for free, she's real good for what she does.
nobody can speedtune her until e6 lol. it's sad.
I accidentally got e6 and I don’t even use ber
I still constantly use my yukong. Some of my characters just rely on her ult buff to do their damage, as sad as that is. I also can't clear content fast enough to care about meta. Bronya is fun with the right teams, but I don't rely on her the same way. Same with sparkle. I have her and her signature light cone but she's not built yet, because I just don't think she'd be as big a help as people make her seem. Ruan Mei is yet another character I don't personally see the hype for. I feel like she just doesn't do her niche well enough at times, and other times she is really busted. Maybe my characters are just really poorly built, or I'm playing the teams wrong, but I'm also playing for myself and what I can accomplish, not worrying about what's good or meta
Tbh Ruan Mei doesn't exactly have a niche - she'll have soon with Boothill but otherwise you just throw her in and she'll be valuable. Giving perma 60% damage buff and other benefits tends to do that
Damn starting i was like ok but he's solely basing character on turn manipulation. 😂
@@Saren_5 but no one does that much buff in 4 stars so Balanced
It all boils down to investment. She’s actually pretty good of a unit, but the investment to make her good is so hard when HSR is throwing all these new characters at your face. If they slow down a little, I’m sure there’ll be more Yukong eventually
Speed tuning is such a massive turn-off for me. I cant do that for every dps character and support that I want to use with her. Her E6 doesnt make it any better either because her rotation is still clunky. I wouldnt say she's a badly designed character. Its just that relic farming makes it difficult for her to perform well in her niche.
Speed stat ruins turn based games, what's new.
Dr. Ratio is ALMOST the perfect character for Yukong. Sadly, he takes up a lot of SP.
What Yukong needs is, as you said, an Imaginary Destruction character who takes up less SP. What I may add is that they should ALSO be able to attack beyond their turn, like a FUA playstyle. This is why Yukong will likely be the best teammate for Aventurine. He checks all the boxes, but he's unfortunately more of a sustain. If we ever get someone who plays similarly to Aventurine, Yukong will rise in usage.
God I wish Yukong were better. She's so fucking cool 😭
Turn manipulation doesn’t automatically make a support top tier. It’s still just a type of buff. Ruan Mei has almost none of that and she’s still powerful.
The problem with Yukong is that she doesn’t provide much at all. 130 crit value and 88% atk (at e6) isn’t enough for someone who only does that. Hoyo can easily make a good support that doesn’t have advance/spd powerful by giving them a lot of damage increase. Like if a 5 star Yukong has the exact same e0 kit but with an extra 75% dmg on skill and 30% defense ignore on ult, she’s going to be absolutely meta.
Idc one day I will make my main dps
i think yukong is misunderstood because people try to play her like a straight harmony unit when shes a hybrid like huohuo
I fully agree with you, I use yukong as a subdps and I love her!
can i know the build for her sub dps?
Idk I just feel like Yukong’s buff doesn’t last long enough. It’s a good buff but it’s gone before your character even plays. You need to time it PERFECTLY
dood got an essay on why the 4 star is worst than the three 5 stars.
yukong's talent needs to be reworked, it offers no value. She doesn't need extra atk or toughness reduction, she's a buffer support, she doesn't need atk stat because you want her for her skill, which is not an attack, and also because if you did use her as a dps, that's another set of dps gear for crit, critdmg, and atk% for another unit, except you want an energy regen rope for her which conflicts with an atk% rope that a dps wants. They should change her talent to enhance her support buffer role further. her constraints should match her benefits, she already has speed tuning requirements to match the team's turn order so her prefered dual dps setup can fully utilize her skill's procs. once aventurine comes out, imaginary could run a decent team with her as aventurine being the sustain, dr ratio as damage 1, and possibly welt as damage 2. Only reason i'm leaving DHIL out is because he's going to be SP hungry if people want to run him full speed, but still doable if a turn is taken where your units spam basic attack instead of skill to set up for the following turn to burst.
but yeah, yukong talent has to get reworked, it adds borderline nothing as it is. her eidolon 4 as wel, she's not a damage dealer, she doesn' need to do 30% more damage to enemies.
I don't get it honestly. Almost every other harmony character has a buff extension trace or eidolon. Why can't she? Also, there's the issue where her turn limit is unconditional. Even bronya, which basically gives up her own turn, spends a usage of bowstrings.
I feel like the alternative to solution for her would have been to tie her losing stacks of Bowstrings to when someone uses an Attack or Skill. This would make her less finicky to speed tune and more able to synergize with other supports. I think the reason for this being excluded was the concern that she'd get too much mileage out of her buffs on FUA characters but I don't know, maybe if that was an issue make the buff only work on regular attacks and skills.
@@thebadshave503 Perhaps, but things like follow up attacks (except for Lightning lord and Numby) and ultimates already don't consume stacks. Bowstrings is confusing, that's for certain.
Tbh I think it's fine that Sparkle powercreeps Yukong. Limited units consistently powercreep free ones, whether dps or support or sustain. That being said, for a while, Yukong had the lowest average cycles of any char in the game for MoC and I think that speaks for itself. She's defo been powercrept in many teams, but so have the likes of Asta and Hanya and I think she has higher potential than both.
Yukong doesn't bring anything to the table even when she was released and with the added fact that shes annoying to play without eidolons.
Star rail has a Advance Forward problem (Bronya/Sparkle/Robin), but its not related to Yukong in the slightest.
Sorry for Essaying but this is how i think about these supports.
Yukong = Low buff uptime, mediocre buff potency, no gimmicks.
Pela = High Debuff uptime, Mediocre debuff potency (Can run tutorial for perma Debuff potency or Sweat for higher debuff potency without sacrificing much uptime)
Tingyun = High Buff uptime, High buff potency + Insane energy (Sparkle/Ruan mei tier for some units)
Asta = Insane buff uptime, Mediocre Buff potency (Biggest victim of advance forward shenanigans)
Bronya = Low buff uptime, HOLY FUCK buff potency + Advance Forward (OG broken unit)
Sparkle = High buff uptime, HOLY FUCK Buff potency + Advance Forward + 4 skillpoint (2.0 of the OG broken unit)
Ruan mei = High buff uptime, HOLY FUCK buff potency + ENEMY turn manipulation via break efficiency. (Seriously what the fuck is this unit and why is her animations so mid but shes so busyed)
Hanya = High buff uptime, Mediocre buff potency + Skillpoints. (Why is burden not a debuff, its literally called BURDEN MF)
SW = Mediocre Debuff uptime, High debuff potency + weakness type addition. (Hot take, Pela better)
This is my own thoughts about our current supports, i do not take criticism purely from the FACT that im a god gamer /s
Ruan mei having the most mid 5* character animations(even more mid then topaz) and being this broken is a crime lmao
Yukong have the best buff in the entire game so idk about mediocre buff potency lol
Pela have high debuff potency especially with her eidolon
SW have the highest debuff uptime on the list (4 turn) and the highest potency (53% def shred 13% elemental reduction and her other bugs)
@@mrdeafter Her buffs are incredibly powerful, not the best when compared to the 5* but def the best in the 4* category
Doesnt seem like bro understand the character too well@@tayyabo
I don't think 88% increase attack and 129 CV in buffs at E6 is considered 'mediocre buff potency' if we are looking at max damage you can deal on a per hit basis. You can criticize her clunkiness and difficulty of use and nicheness etc but there is no way calling her buffs mediocre is right. It is in fact one of the most potent buffs lol. It is much higher than bronya, sparkle ,tingyun and ruan mei (al lat E0) if just comparing potency based on max per hit damage if you adjust your crit ratio based on her buffs eg build a lot less crit rate since yukong gives 29.4%
You are also the 1st person I have seen criticize SW's debuff uptime lol . Her main weakness is that her energy rotation is kinda bad at E0. Her debuffs last 3 turns which is longer than pela but all elites should die before that
I personally never have had any issues speed tuning any supports since they have very flexible gear with no real set bonuses besides maybe 2 piece messenger so I just need to swap in and out 1 piece of gear to get them to the right speed
Yukong has quite literally, the strongest harmony buffs currently available in game. Except maybe compared to Ruan Mei. If Yukong’s buff wasn’t limited like how it is, she’d be too strong to be a four star. She’s BIS for ultra hypercarry Imaginary teams :)
pls as shes still one of the top clears for CN players, global needs to stop relying on shit they see everywhere lmao. (has higher clear rate higher than sparkle btw, even on a MOC thats not favored for her.)
Thats not f2p.
i still use yukong with planetary rende LC for my
E2 dhil + LC and sparkle + LC team . she just need to stand there and do nothing but gives tons of imaginary damage
If Yukong's skill wasn't action-based, she'd be a 5-star.
i used to love yukong and then i got tingyun and bronya lmao
Same till I got sparkle lol
I don't know if you what you are doing shes great in dual dps like topaz ratio , imbibitor etc.
Lmao no she isn't. From the two examples you mentioned:
While Topaz can go with NA spam, Ratio needs to use his skill to get his follow up atk. So he and Yukong are going to battle over who gets SP before it runs out
IL does get a lot out of her buffs... But they play terrible together. I know because I used her with him, e6 as well. And there were so many times that my Pela and Luocha were getting buffs instead of my IL, so I had to rely on her burst. Against enemies that can decrease action value(like Phantylia) you're basically fucked.
She's a complete nightmare to use, so even just looking at the 4* department she's not worth it. For dual dps you can cope with Asta if you don't own Mei(and in a team like Topaz and Himeko she's even more amazing, better than Yukong in Topaz with Ratio duo or just IL). And for hyper carry teams you have Tingyun and Hanya, you can use both or just one of them and you're great. The Crit +atk buff alongside her dmg buff for IMG element isn't worth it
@@Sloth-tr7bd I don't know bro. I never had problems you mentioned.
My team tingyun(160)s3 dd
Yukong(152)e6
Luocha (149)
Il(108).
All are f2p and I hit 180k every turn and 350 k with her ult buff. I hope you try using her when to use the skill or basic atk.
@@Sloth-tr7bd as for ratio and topaz run . Always use ult after Ratio use ult and gets out of his turn to trigger fua from next character. Anyways I never had problems. I used her a lot.
I use Yukong and I love her. Her biggest issue is definitely the short span of her skill buff, she would easily be my best support if it lasted a little longer, it really limits her usability.
I use her E6 in my DH IL hypercarry team with tingyun and luocha
It basically goes like:
(Luocha passive for 20% atk buff ult when needed)
tingyun skill - yukong basic - yukong ult - IL ult - tingyun ult - IL enhanced atk
and it works pretty well for me