Real narrowboat living battle with CRT - Off the Cut
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- Off the Cut provides unique insight into a community of boaters living on the Kennet and Avon canal. The film follows a family on their pedal powered boat as they embark on a journey in which their way of life, and that of the whole community, comes under threat.
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Basically, it looks like the CRT don't want the water version of a piece of inland waste ground littered with caravans and ford transit pickups.
Can't see the problem myself.
Formidable38
It’s not about keeping things pretty. It’s about people having the right to live and people who want shit nice and fancy need to intrude and make a bunch of ordinances which counter the LAW
I don’t think I have ever seen a pair of blue jeans look so good in my entire life !!
All that peddling seems to be good for a person.
Yep...
Well spoken guys... an elegant observation . (would drive our Joe Biden and TRUMP to ACTION)
Lol. We might have to slide a pickle in the front pocket of those bluejeans to get ole lunch box Joe Biden to take a look !
@@josephwinkler4863 Wrong guy ... Joe sniffs HAIR... you are thinking of "Buttigieg" he is our "pickle" lover
Panda and cub. Nuff said. Let me draw attention to their accents. Very well spoken. Rich parents, safety net. They are playing at life whilst you and I live it.
Oh come on the CRT website says the range needed for the licence is 20 miles in a year as far as I can tell. About 0.38 miles a week. If you need to remail in one place then get a home mooring. Simple.
Seems to me like CRT is trying to prevent its waterways from becoming cluttered shantytowns, without directly coming out and saying it.
Sadly this video does portray it this way, I guess that the producers did not realise the backlash. It comes across as 'hippy' benefit users wanting it all their own way!
@Mr Brightside Exactly.
@Mr Brightside still labelling "these people" id loce to meet you ps unfortunately crt are in breach of the Misrepresentation Act 1967 by stating minimum distances to travel on theyre website as being part of the law when it isnt
And nothing wrong with that. When the cuts were working properly, you didn't have shanties of non working boats- but communities of boats whose occupantsworked damned hard, and kept the country going, and however you view that (part of the system, working for the man, enslaved, etc. etc. ), those people back then did the spadework for the benefits these moaners enjoy today, but no compaints from them, eh? Ghettoes on water- how novel." Lets have some more", thought no one.
@Mr Brightside you enter into a contract anytime you buy anything buying a licence is a contract go in to a shop and buy a can of coke a tube of toothpaste as soon as you pay there exists a contract
As a professional mariner and lifetime recreational boater, I noticed the lack of care of most of those boats, and the lack of seamanship in their appearance. I suspect those people just prefer boat living because it is cheap, and would pitch a tent on a town common if they could get away with it.
As far as moving 15 miles a year, I row my dingy farther than that in a year, just going to and from my sailboat. The sailboat goes far, far greater distances than 20 miles. A boat is a mobile home. If they want to stay in a single place all the time, they should pay for a flat. How much sympathy would they get living in a truck which never moves, parked on the public right of way. It is very similar.
True. The boat is incidental. They would squat anywhere they can.
d c this is about people who just want to squat on a towpath somewhere nothing to do with genuine travelling
re dc - Some people need government supervision, or "bullying" as you call it. I have watched them throw trash overboard, pour raw sewage overboard, abandon the derelicts they allowed to sink by carelessness, and litter the area around their boats with needles and other drug paraphernalia.
How would you react to a neighbor who did that next to YOUR boat, or your house on land? I would call the "bullies" to come and stop the danger to my health and damage to the environment.
@d c no it doesn't. 15 miles a year is what is stated not every 14 days. Freeloaders don't want to do this.look at the state of those boats. If they were rented out by private landlords there would be uproar. Just scars on the landscape and polluting health hazards.
@d c you are missing the point. What you can't do is stay in the same place for more than 14days. The distance to be covered is over a full year. All of the people in the film claim they don't mind moving, but that is patently untrue. They just want to squat on the canal bank and leach on the rest of us.
I'm a livaboard continuous cruiser, shock horror is that I couldn't agree less with this film. I've been positively welcomed by the CaRT people I've met. I move regularly and have never, ever had any issues (other than the time my licence had fallen off my window, which is kind of fair enough)
My personal take on this is that too many people for too long ignored and flouted the rules in the 1995 act of Parliament. These people are now finding that the rules are being enforced, the rules haven't changed.
The people saying a distance should be given should realise that when a distance was inputted into the T&Cs people fought against it stating that as no distance is in the 1995 act it couldn't be legally enforceable and so it was removed and the guidance of 15-20 miles inputted. Do people here really feel that 15-20 miles per year is a struggle to comply with? I make that kind of move every two weeks (other than the last 2 months as I needed to stay put to deal with a family crisis. The local enforcement officer stated I would be okay to stay but I paid for a mooring anyway because I like to stay within the spirit of the act)
Another shock horror, I manage to hold down a job in a permanent place whilst having a range of around 100 miles a year. Trust me its not gentrification of the system otherwise I would definitely be in enforcement!
If you need to stay in one place, you can, pay for a mooring. If you want to cc then move, to comply with the guidance its less than a mile every two weeks. I know hundreds of boaters that manage it.
I hate the fact that some parts of the system are difficult for me to use as having two dogs means I don't feel comfortable not being along the tow path so parts of the K&A and London are pretty much no go for me as the numbers of people barely moving means I struggle to get in.
I must say though the CaRT employee on the film doesn't really do them any favours. No one I've met from them has come across as quite so pompus and up themselves as he does.
Really sorry guys but move it or lose it.
I agree with you totally, these people are trying to bend the rules just so they can not get a home mooring, and look at the state of the boats and some people, they want to drop out of society but want society to pay for it, go with the rules or go home, simple
I agree, Terry. It's a shame that some people feel that they can stay on short term moorings as long as they like whilst others have to travel further just to get a mooring to stay for a couple of nights. I don't know what their argument is, why can't they pay to stay on a long term mooring like everyone else has to?
Terry Morris agreed
Because it costs money, and they don't want to pay for anything if they can get away with it.
what a bunch of nimby arsehats the above comments are. CRT does not have the legal right to set a minimum distance.
I'm a continuous cruiser. Never had an issue with CRT. Once had an engine problem. Informed them. No problems. Not saying CRT doesn't have an agenda regarding making money. Canals cost. And there all looking after themselves. Living on the road for 38 years met many like this.( travellers) everything for nothing. Everyone against them. How about other boater's who want to moor..... Bit of give and take.
Alex Smith: I can't imagine the rule would apply to a "private" mooring but only towpath moorings... no?
A General Nuisance it's law, The Waterways Act, not rules.
The guidelines are only there to help you understand how to stay legal.
The requirements about moving on only apply to boats not on a permanent (i.e. rented, paid for) mooring, whether that's "off-line" in a marina, or "on-line" on the canal.
If you do as you must do by law, you'll never hear from CRT.
d c the waterways act requires all boats that do not have a permanent mooring to be used for “bona fide navigation”. That is not exactly defined in the act so that’s where the CRT guidance is aimed at - the guidance is not law but if you comply with it then you won’t get any bother off CRT. If it does go to court, CRT present their case, the boater presents theirs, and the court decides who they feel is in the right. Sometimes it’s CRT, sometimes it’s not. That’s how the law is supposed to work. This country has laws written by parliament, that are interpreted by the courts.
Think of CRT guidance as being like the Highway Code. It’s not law, but if you obey it’s provisions then you won’t fall foul of the law.
Why is it so difficult for people to just behave responsibly and reasonably? CRT do not want to enforce Section 8 of the Waterways Act on anyone, but some people are just unreasonable and behave unfairly to everyone else. If we all paid our licence fees, if we all obey the law, then CRT would have more time and money to spend on the canals and less on removing the irresponsible takers. And remember that someone who doesn’t move often doesn’t have insurance, a safety certificate, or any concern for your safety or welfare, and their boat is often a fire hazard and a health hazard.
Be reasonable, be fair, be honest, and there’s no issue at all.
d c my boat is “pretty” and I’ve been asked to move on after 16 days. Heresay isn’t a good working proposition. I know someone who’s got mental health problems. CRT allow him to stay in one place, CRT arranged for his licence to be payed by housing benefit.
CRT are not an evil force out to eat your children.
If you fail to comply with the guidelines, if you don’t enter into reasonable dialogue and come to an arrangement with them, then it’s the courts- not CRT - who decide if you’ve broken the law. The law allows for the boater to present a case. If that case isn’t reasonable (and “my kids are in school” is not a valid reason) then the court may find against the boater.
d c were you in court? Did you have access to the prosecution case? To the defence? No? Me neither. But knowing how the courts are reluctant to cause someone to become homeless in all but the most extreme circumstances, I must ask you to consider the likelihood that they were “innocent” is extremely remote. If they had “obeyed the law to the letter” then it would probably not have gone to court, and if it did, the judge would have seen defence evidence that they had “obeyed the law to the letter”. This is not a police state, it’s not China, or the USSR. Judges in the UK are not swayed by the influence of prosecuting authorities, but only by precedent, evidence, and witnesses.
im a live aboard boater, and live in a marina. These people who moan on and on about the CRT and continuous cruising...well I have little sympathy. If you have a family and school to consider then you cant be a continuous cruiser..if you want to remain say 5-6 miles from a base you cant...Marinas are not that expensive...55p to 70p per foot per week +vat..I pay around £3000 per year... for that I get all handy facilities..water..shop..power if I want it...I can come and go as I please, take off for a couple of weeks of peaceful cruising then come back....total freedom. The CRT give me no hassle at all...and my boat/home is safe.Its the hillbilly types who want it all and pay little or preferably nothing, and live in a heap of junk who are the problem.
but if you understand the marinas are owned by politicians and want 3000 pounds from everybody not just from who is willing to pay
Then you are really a house owner who lives on water paying rent to a marina owner, which is nothing to do with continuous cruising. And marinas are exepensive Bloody expensive!
@@MrGmail69 It's not a politician who owns the marina I'm in, it's a decent bloke who is often in overalls dragging a welder or set of steps or whatever about the place. The law may allow for continuous cruising but it was made in a different time and for different folk, people who worked the rivers and canals and travelled around them as they worked. Times are different now and as i said above i have no problem with people living on the water but why should it be free?
That's just means that those of us who pay are covering their costs, the waterways need looking after and that costs money. i'd be interested to see how many would take up the offer if they were offered the chance to work on maintenance projects in some capacity for a month or so a year to cover their costs and allow them to moor in one place for longer.
Fabio Roscilli I'm a continuous cruiser. I cruise continuously, I love the life, and CRT leave me alone.
I know people who live on paid-for permanent moorings, and they prefer that type of life.
You, on the other hand don't know what you're talking about.
Steven Newell marinas can be expensive, but you have a choice. Keep moving, obey the law, or go on a permanent mooring (on-line or marina).
Or live on land.
A boat in a marina is still cheaper and better than a house.
What a fantastic idea "Pedal Power." this is the first time I've ever seen this absolutely brilliant !!!
Everywhere you live, you pay. You pay for a house, or you pay rent and all the associated costs with go with that. So here we have a group of people without home moorings, who thus fall into the category of continuous cruising, who don't actually continually cruise. They want to live essentially rent free, moving from one 14 day mooring to another and the same general vicinity. If you are moored for more time than you cruise, then that process is not continuous, and is a breach of the Act. C&RT is a statutory authority with a mandate to enforce the rules. If you comply with those rules you wont have an issue. The term continuous cruising means just that; you cruise continually. *It does not mean* that you move from one 14 day mooring to another in the same area, in your quest to live "rent free".
Totally Spot On synopsis, this American truly appreciates your wonderful canal's and system of Locks. I would consider it a privilege to obtain citizenship or some other long-term visa which would allow me access to your amazing waterways. The fact that they are actively and reasonably policed, speaks highly of the British people and their recognition of maintaining such a truly wonderful asset. I applaud you. mh
In a democracy laws trump rules.
Has anyone noticed the elephant in the room? Great doco and my respect to people who chose their own way. But no mention of the obvious reasons that they are getting harassed by the authorities.
Exactly. I keep moving. Never had a problem.
Play by the rules, keep your boat in a good working safe condition, don't take over walk ways and land with planting veggies and other lifestyle choices, pay your fees and all will be ok with the World. Take the piss and this happens.
I don't really think that moving 2 odd miles a month is a problem, But, in saying that it is highly likely that our lovely wonderful government hates the thought that someone somewhere is "off grid"
charles shipman There is no problem at all with boaters who travel the network continuously. What is not acceptable is people using the continuos cruising licence to live on one short stretch of canal, to the detriment of other boaters who may wish to visit. London and increasingly Bath have become almost impossible for visiting boaters to stay in because of the nose to tail hippies taking over every single visitor mooring. They even moor at water points and service stations so other boaters can't top up with drinking water or empty their toilets. Why should they get to ignore the rules we are all expected to follow?
OK I've watched this right through and for the life of me I can't see the problem. I have just confirmed with the CRT that licencees are just being asked to move a minimum of 20 miles 'within the life of the licence' if they don't have a home mooring. If she has an annual licence, that's 20 miles p.a. With that licence, she avoids paying Council Tax and has access to free amenities. I'm not too upset that her 'way of life' is 'under threat' if that way of life is ignoring very, very mild requirements. And the shameless putting it in terms of the impact on her child... good grief! She is choosing to flout the laid-back rules, therefore she is the one impacting her child!
I live on my boat on a river rather than the canal system, I have to pay rent but I have a lot of facilities here so it's fair. I think people should be allowed to be nomadic (boats, buses, caravans, whatever) but that there should be some kind of lower rate universal council tax (Or work exchange if people are trying to live without cash) so they are at least contributing to the facilities they are using no matter where they chose to live. You can't live in the UK without using something, be that a road, river, street lighting or even emergency services for instance.
its not 20 miles per year ,its every two weeks
@@deanhoare8789 I can only go by the answer I got from CRT when I contacted them, which is in quotes. They clarified that this meant 6 months on a 6 month licence and a year on a 12 month licence.
Dean Hoare it's 20 miles per year. I continuously cruise the canals, and moving 20 miles per year and complying with the Waterways Act (it's law, not CRT rules) is as easy as anything if you are sensible.
@mikeakachorlton What your saying doesn't make sense. If compliance is as easy as you say then why would she give up her home of 14 years and sell at half it's value rather than comply?
This sequel to "Tales of the Riverbank" certainly has a more gritty feel.
Canals are man made, over two hundred years old and need maintenance. No licence fees no repairs and no water would mean that they would be left sitting in a muddy ditch. Maybe that wouldn't bother them but the rest of us would not like it. They don't move because they want to live without paying. Try camping on the edge of the road or overnight in a layby see what happens!
@d c licence fees average £600 a year, equivalent of road fund licence pays for right to have the boat on the water. Liveaboards pay the same as leisure users, the extra use of facilities is not paid for. Also licence fees, if being paid, are often covered by housing benefit. Boaters overall only contribute 10% of the crt income, 25% comes from the taxpayer, 25% from the property portfolio, (a legacy from the taxpayer when crt created)
I think bad examples of both sides were used in this video as most of the live aboards here were bums living in death traps and the guy representing CRT was an arragant Ponce
@Markus Bates You claim these people are doing no harm to anybody. This woman is trying to move a very large boat using only human power, as her Diesel Engine has long since been removed. This alone, presents a hazard to all other boats. She also clearly will find great difficulty moving this boat to meet the established navigation requirements, which serve the very purpose to put an end to Squatters. You can see the ugly state these places have turned into when these people squat on the canal and the land adjacent to it. No, they are NOT living in harmony as you claim, they are creating disharmony by trashing up the beautiful canal system England so graciously provides. There is nothing like this in America, but if there were, I would hate to see a bunch of Hippie Squatters trashing up a beautiful canal system because they believe the somehow have the right to squat on a piece of water/land. These people who believe that our programming by the State is complete, share the mentality that they are above the law and should never be subject to any authority. Simply put, a healthy society cannot function if its' members refuse to abide and obey basic sets of rules.
@Markus Bates - It is perfectly reasonable to prevent groups of boaters setting up a static community at one particular location, surely.
They have every right to travel as a group, moving around enough to meet the continuous cruising requirement - why don't they?
Maybe not that close a community?
Michael Higgins fuck society
Er? Define ‘bum’ ? Someone without a mortgage and not in hock to the international banking system, who might have read 1984? So probably not ‘joe Clooney’?
@Markus Bates who will pay for their £20000 cancer treatment each year when they need it in 40 years time? they have paid in nothing. i bet YOU don't want your kids to pay for it?
I think these kinda people are very selfish.
Canals are for everyone to enjoy, meaning certain things have to be trade-off or sacrificed for everyone to be happy. They're not alone in this and everyone have to abide by the laws and rules.
If you want a permanent spot rent a mooring, it's quiet simple. Can understand why CRT are pushing these kinda people to move 20 miles per year, they don't want shantytowns or surroundings to be destroyed. If 20 miles is such a great sacrifice for them maybe they shouldn't live on a boat. It doesn't cost money to keep things clean and tidy.
I lived next to the boaters in Hackney Wick for 10 years. Many boats would not move and they would trash the surroundings. Their dogs would attack people and many of the boats were just floating scrap yards. There was fires on the tow path and just stuff dumped for everyone else to deal with. It's these type of boaters who kick up a fuss. If these people respected the cruising rule and had some respect for others and the surroundings I don't think CRT would have any issue. Its the dumping of trash, stationary boats, abusive behaviour and general unpleasantness which is the issue. It doesn't cost anything to be tidy and respectful of others. There are a few on the canals who think they are hard done by even though they act like clowns and spoil it for many.
Don't be an arsehole! There are plenty of people like you describe living in houses who act just the same making their neighbours lives a misery! There's good and bad everywhere!!
@Mr Brightside
Where did I say that it was ok to be an asshole on water!! Read my comment properly,.I was merely pointing out, and stated, that there's good and bad everywhere be it on land or water!! I couldn't have been more clearer.
@Mr Brightside
Have a nice day. I don't mind the odd comment and odd reply but you're obviously very lonely and I don't engage in conversations with strangers on the Internet. Good Bye.
A lot of pedalling to get to K&A
Just follow the rules. See, Isn't that easy.
I continuously cruised for my first 8 years of living on my boat. I cruised an average of 300 miles a year travelling mostly round Yorkshire and I stayed 1 to 2 weeks at every stop. I have now had a mooring 6 years, but cruise 9 months of the year... had just one ticket from CRT but was cleared with a phone call ! .
This year I spent the winter away from my mooring, fancied a change . I've cruised roughly 70 miles this year up to now.
I don't understand how a charity can give a ticket. Can you explain this to me?
@@Scott-by9ks don’t be disingenuous. You look silly.
@@sarahgardiner1649 I'm not being disingenuous. Maybe in the UK Charity means something different. In the US a Charity has no legal power to impose citations commonly called a ticket in American English. If you are from the UK and can explain this to me it would be helpful.
I don't really understand what the problem is here. I love the thought of living aboard a narrow boat and have considered it myself. I don't think it's fair that people park up and live in one spot, making it harder for others to moor up when they are travelling the canals. Why is it so hard to move by 20 miles per year? If you are in a fixed position you need to pay for a mooring, if you are travelling then keep moving. It seems simple to me, so maybe I'm missing something.
Shelter Helper
20 mile one year. Who knows how many it will be in five years time. CRT is just a back door entry to take control of the canals and eventually they will have that much power you will all be paying through the nose to stay a float. Including those with moorings. Government has realised this is one area of society they haven't sucked blood from.
I think some people have great spots and don't want to share them!
@@SNAKEPIT359 wow 20 whole miles in a year. Get over yourself loser
They want to get the rabble off the canals.
Be interesting to see if any of the orders have links with complaints. Eg, standards of boat, those aboard etc
She has a good attitude and sense of humour and what a way to bring up a youngster! Amongst nature, movement and time. I hope Bev and Cub are able to live freely and set this good example. It makes me curious about the history of live aboard boaters - what trades did they offer? What trades do those featured in this film offer? Societies function best and people are left alone when they are useful.
This ‘subset’ of boaters are absolutely taking the piss. They are forcing a ‘charity’ to expend resources on them alone and in company as they continually and purposefully flout the condition of their continuous cruising licence. They had a choice if they did not want to move so that their family lifestyle requirements could be achieved they should pay for a home berth and pay the associated fees and licence. If they cannot afford to do that (home mooring) then they have two responsible choices: 1. Apply for a continuous cruising licence and comply with the conditions by continually cruising and not attempting to flout and turn into a series of home moorings with a just few miles in between. 2. Sell the boat and move ashore.
The CRT may not be perfect but this subset of boaters have set out to breach the conditions of a continuous cruising licence, they seek but most surely do not deserve any sympathy. The CRT should act quicker and more firmly with them.
You good folks need to get that public administrator down to the river and have dinner on the boats with him so he can know you and see you. Paper notices are not efficient. Face to face conversations are much better. Once he sees the families, children, pets, and ingenuity, he will begin to have compassion. Great video. Tried to sign petition but does not take my zip code.
And this one again ....@Mr Brightside You start to annoy me.
@Mr Brightside Your Taxes aren't high because some poor bums pay less than You, Your taxes are waay higher than they ought to be because the system of direct, progressively increasing taxes on income and profit does not work properly anymore with a lotta players waay bigger than You not paying even an incremental fraction of their fair share.
As a singlehanding sailor for three decades I do not like unskilled bums on boats crashing into my liveaboard yacht for technical insufficiency or lack of concious capability to keep their track, but I would never ever blame somebody having particularly less than me for being that poor.
Poverty is a shame the rich in a society have to take.
Not very en vogue since Maggy the bitch, I know right, but that doesn't change the hard, empirical facts.
@Mr Brightside You seem to not have fully transcended the concept of a public spirited, culturally advanced society earning the attribute "civilized" I'm afraid.
The allegation of "freeloading" is a grey area on the far side of the income distribution, where society does show its solidarity by providing as a whole what some on the lower income end simply can not afford - tax financed social housing would be a classic case of such an act of solidarity where it is everything else than "freeloading" to get this sorta help, as well as keeping up a system like the NHS for example. Keeping up canals as a little exonerating valve to decompress a borderline criminal, steaming mortgage-rat-race ralley could well be another example.
It's a grey area, but letting loose a butcher's dog like this chain choker-gentleman to get rid of people like the bicycle driven lady-narrowboater and her son is overcooking it absolutely, that's for sure - she's a well integrated part of the society, visibly educating her son to become exactly that, too, and struggling financially just because the neoliberal ratrace isn't the best for our kids which she has understood and does not take part in, logically - she isn't "freeloading" just because she's poor.
"Freeloading", or more precisely expressed "criminally antisocial" would it be however for example to take the millions or billions of profit One makes in one country and slyly park it in an Irish-Dutch sandwich to avoid the fair share of taxes in the country whose inhabitants did enable making this profit at all in the first place.
Criminalizing this practice - instead of wrongfully acclaim it as "successful" - and subsequently seize the thus illegalised amounts for the better good of the duped society alltogether would reduce YOUR taxes a double digit percentage.
The UK and here mostly the city of London have several tenthousands of well organized, structurally criminal banksters driving Your taxes in dwindling heights by cutting theirs as well as their customers' almost entirely, and You have nothing else to say or do than offensively attack a handful of poor canal dwellers?
Well, that's not only annoying to be honest, my british friends would probably call this "shocking", to say the least.
Feel sorry for the boaters hope cub gets his toys back & more
I would hope he gets a better run at life, Pedal power, very little electricity and hot water. Lad needs better
The condition of the boats in this film speak volumes ? No mention of boat safety certificates or insurance here !
guess you were not listening then
The lady had her peddle powered boat insured.
Just heard the comment 'We are not a public body' in response to the question about Human Rights Act. CRT appear to be acting as a public body and hide behind being a charity? Housing Associations up and down the country are not for profit organisations but are still accountable under the Human Rights Act. The live-aboard community could be classed as part of the travelling community who have been recognised by law as a minority group. It should be for a court to decide if someone is to be evicted from land or canal. If CRT are removing boats that people live in without a court order then they are probably breaking the law themselves. It seems that when it comes to it CRT are not able to carry out their threat of removing a live-aboard boat as they probably know they do not have the power to do so and don't want to test the case in law as they do not feel the court would act in their favour.
If they actually 'travelled' and genuinely navigated the system, the CRT would not worry them.
@@windsorlad1000 Therein lies the problem. The distance required to travel is not defined so making it difficult for CRT to enforce and for the boater to know how far they need to go. If CRT sorted out the distance problem by getting the legislation amended to include an appropriate distance then everyone would know where they stood.
CRT will have to apply to a court before removing a boat from the canal but the court will grant the request unless the boat owner can prove continuous cruising or have a compelling reason why they cannot move.
Pedal-powered boats should be granted permanent canal rights and a stipend. More inland waterways should be constructed. Such a beautiful way of life should be nurtured and protected. I was too bummed out to continue ...sold the boat ...
Sorry but these are the people who ruin it for the ones who keep decent looking boats and regard it as their ‘home’. Some of the boats in this film I wouldnt use as a SHED! I am considering retiring to the waterways as I have no savings, house, partner NOTHING, just enough to buy a boat and fit it out. But I will have pride in my boat and respect the letter of the law! Laws are there for a reason, I was a traveller for 7 years and never had any problems. I always ASKED to stay on someones land and 90% of land owners welcomed me as I kept the place clean and tidy and took my rubbish with me. Sorry but these ‘water pikies’ should have their boats CRANED out of a waterway if they break rules! There are always certain people who want to destroy what the genuine people respect and abide by.
But ....BUT no one should be homeless, so the ‘offenders’ should be moved to some sort of compound off the waterway, until they decided what to do. CRT should have ‘holding pounds’ (with facilities), if difficult people dont want to move, lock their boat up (with them on it), then maybe they might change their minds!
7:00 I f**king love that pedal-powered propeller set-up!
I wouldn't be loving it on a flowing river. Would you say it might be the world's biggest pedelo?
Really? Is there a good reason for vulgarity,and horrid expletives!!
@@francisfake782 ..... oh seriously? He f**king deleted some f**king letters. Get a f**king like.
*Great when **_downhill_** but when you come to an uphill stretch not enough power.*
Not sure that you understand how canals work@@GrrMeister
A simple way to resolve all this would be to have GPS fitted as part of a Continuous Cruising licence and then it can bee seen if the rules are being met.
Rosie Taylor the selfish people in this film would just remove or vandalise them. They think they have an absolute right to live wherever they like, they will hardly comply with measures designed to make it fair for everyone. I visited Bath by boat. Mooring was a nightmare and people were living in tents on the towpath too, to make use of the water points paid for by boaters. Many of the boats looked ready to be scrapped. I think it should be a requirement to move at least a couple of hundred miles a year, and not just back and forwards- they should have to clock in in multiple locations across the network.
@James McPherson The problem is that people extending "continuous cruising" to include blocking towpaths and water points for walkers and other boats are engaging in anti-social behaviour and the CRT has a responsibility to all users to prevent such things.
I lived on a boat near to these people for a summer. I loved it, but I did have the benefit of a 'home mooring'. I've also kayaked from Bristol to London on the K&A, several times, and met some of the people in this video on my journeys and enjoyed the company and hospitality of them all.
I often wondered where all the New age travellers went!
We all old age travelers now. x
We got a hire boat on this canal - the live aboard folk are so diverse friendly and part of the canal culture - there part of the reason we wanted the holiday on the canal in the first place - we will always remember the hippy like couple with a tribe of kids completely at one with nature handing us fresh baked rolls
It is inappropriate for many of those barges to be on a canal, they ae filthy, tatty and probably dangerous.
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This poor lady should not be harrasseed as long as democracy liberty and freedom reigns in this country.
This breaks my heart ❤️
I’m for River dwellers. Just a thought .... gps locators are cheap these days. Fitting one to your boat and inviting the authorities to track your movements would provide absolute proof of distance travelled and provide a continuous record.
What a wonderful life and education this child is having ,articulate engaged and interested. Well done that mum
Wow...I'm a bit shocked that anyone would suggest to invite government to track their every move. I am a full time sailor in another country. Maritime law is the oldest on this planet...yet today's governments seems to hate boaters everywhere.
ALL of us live in societies in which laws are passed, good or bad depending on one's point of view. The laws passed that the CRT were (are) trying to comply with (simply having one MOVE their Narrowboat to a different mooring further up or down the canal) really doesn't seem too unreasonable.
Wow ! I am an American, so I can understand that many may feel I have no right to comment, but may I offer my observations. What I came away with after watching this video is this. These people for the most part appear to me to be living like Hippies in derelect boats and really don't want to live under anybody's authority but their own. I've seen this type of Liberal mentality many times in my life, where this type of personality truly holds a disdain for rules and regulations. Let's face it, why does this lady complain that she must move her boat every 14 days a reasonable distance, when she has converted her boat to pedal power. If she cannot afford a deisel engine, should every other canal boat user be made to suffer? And did you see the look of these places where these people were staying, "dog patch" doesn't even begin to describe it ! Now . . . if these people want to live in a commune Hippie type setting, that is their choice and freedom to choose so, however, this same choice should not be at the expense of the rest of the boating society, these people should find a bridge somewhere to live under. Sound a little harsh, you bet, but I live in track housing here in America and let me tell you, we all live under the reign and rule of the Home Owners Association, a group which has the power to cite me or even fine me if I do not maintain my home to the standards laid out in our community manual. Now . . . everyone KNOWS full well these rules, as your Estate Agent provides you this information before you buy. I guarantee you, these Hippies know the rules and regulations of the canal waterways as well, but they are trying to bend them as much as possible to accommodate their commune-type lifestyle, all at the detriment to the vast majority who gladly play by the rules. Again . . . I'm an American, perhaps many feel I have zero-right to offer an opinion, but . . . I feel at least my opinion is perhaps even more objective because I live across the pond. These are my thoughts, I know many will disagree, and that is their right. mh And as a brief postscript to my above comments, the woman at the beginning of the film admits she really has very little control over the boat in even a very slight wind, again due to the fact it is pedal powered. Does this not present even a small hazard to all other boaters as she can easily slam into them? Also, and I may be wrong here so forgive me if I am . . . Is her boat a wide beam vessel? If it is, she cannot travel on many of the narrow canals which would further exacerbate her ability to navigate the required distance to meet the Continuous Cruiser license. Again, this all may sound a little harsh but . . . if you cannot afford to properly outfit your vessel , cannot afford to even put an engine in it, you have just become a burden to all the other Boater's who are legally using tne canals, rivers and locks. I'm not trying to be heartless here, but I'm also not willing to ignore or distort the facts. I recently had the very good pleasure to witness England's beautiful Canals and system of Locks when staying in the quaint town of Devizes. I had two very wonderful conversations with a Boater who built a 14 foot homemade boat from 70% recycled material, as well as a passing jogger who kindly answered many of my questions regarding the canals and regulations. I came away feeling that England definitely has its' house in order in the running, refurbishment, and policing of their heritage and waterways. To say I would be proud to live in England and be able to use their waterways would be a gross understatement. mh
Creating a scrap yard on the canal bank is not what narrowboat life should be about. If your boat looks like it’s ready to sink then get a job for a while and make it better for your child’s sake.
This is going the same way as it went with the land travellers.
lorraine merry
Yes I can see that myself. But you got many on here rooting for the CRT, thinking they are the good guys. Thinking they are doing a good job. But they can't see what is really taking place here.That further down the river they themselves will fall foul of this CRT when it becomes more established and powerful and brings in more and more rules and regulations making it unbearable them also.
Dirty jippos, the lot
WebbedToesRule Group . Who are you to judge people. Keep your comments to yourself.
@Mr Brightside You fucking Moron they do not benefit from the councils so why pay it , oh I forgot you are a fucking Moron
i don't blame them. if people don't try to skirt the rules they would not have to define and redefine the rules. keeping your boat in running order and meet minimum standard is a must.
David Christensen they weren't redefining the rules. They were moving the goalposts in order to get rid of people. more government tyranny
@@rorytennes8576 Hopefully they will be moved to a place where they can contribute property to society.
Abc Bcde " contribute to society" ?
Why do you say they are not? Who decides who is?
Why must they contribute in the first place. ?
@@rorytennes8576 Interesting philosophical issues. A simple extrinsic measure is taxation, now the woman is using a van she will be paying tax and duty on the fossil fuel. The government, elected by the people (I do cringe as I type this btw.), determine how is is raised and how it is used.
All societies would like to work on the assumption that one contributes in and gets something in return based on one's needs. If we felt like we were being cheated unduly by the system then ultimately the system would fail....
@@rorytennes8576 this Rory character has no idea what soever what these people are like.
I think the only way to solve this is to provide affordable housing or affordable moorings. The continuous cruiser argument is never going to work if you really want to live in the same place. Are you mooring to break your journey or journeying to move your mooring?
Most of the boats I have seen in this video have no business being on the water. If you can't move your BOAT 15-20 miles every 2 weeks it is not seaworthy and should not be on the waterway. Most of the boats I have seen are an eyesore. Sellin your boat for less than half of the insure value....and moving into a van WTF how is your way of life not considered child abuse. News Flash you have KIDS this is no way to raise children
It is a very simple rule to follow, just move as you are should.. People like this want to live outside the rules but the problem is we end up creating rules because of people like this... Live in peace and conform
Rules are different from laws.. in a democracy
I can't really see the issue with what the CRT are doing.
If van travellers ( gypsies ) set up camp on someone's street. The homeowners would want them moved.
The people shown in this video seem to be like traveller's.
There's live aboard canal boaters who have jobs and manage to contribute. It seems these people aren't bringing anything to the local area. Their boats don't look well maintained and they take over the tow path with chairs, tables, junk.
People who abuse the system by living on one short stretch of water ruin boating for everyone. London and Bath have become nose to tail floating gypsy camps. It's pure selfishness to expect to be able to stay wherever you like almost indefinitely. No one has the right to do. People like this give genuine continuous cruisers a bad name. If you are confined to one area by work, school, health issues or any other reason then you should not be allowed a CC licence. They were intended for people who wish to explore the network, not for people looking for a cheap way of living in some of the UK's most expensive cities, to the detriment of everyone else.
Thank you for some common sense amongst all those torches and pitchforks.
I have very little sympathy, they claim to be "continious cruisers" yet object to be required to "cruise"
Some floating wrecks on this clip
Yeah, some of the boats are pretty screwed as well!
If it is their property and they issue a license to be on their property they can make the rules. If you don't like those rules then move it to a river or off the CRT property. You can cash your benefit check somewhere away from the canal system.
Rules and the law are different.
@@chevyimp5857 Rules are the law if a court decides they are reasonable. It is called Case Law and is how our country is constituted.
Absolutely.. are you aware of any significant judgements regarding this issue?
is it their property ?
balista property is theft
At the end of the day these folks living rent free. Free water, free toilet dump. Just obey the rules. They are there to help everyone live as they wish.
They pay a licence fee. Presumably that covers utilities etc
@@forfucksakehandle Water points, toilets, wastewater disposal, showers, rubbish bins and recycling points all paid for from the licence, add to that lock maintenance, lock keepers on the bigger locks, waterway management, cutting back vegetation, aquatic weed control, dredging
All the boaters i know are fairly nice people, These lot looked like the dregs of society in what i can only describe as floating sheds. And a pedal boat she uses to not pollute the canal with diesel? Come. love it's called being a cheep skate. I noticed that she bought a gas guseling Diesel van, I was honestly expecting a flinstone's car. Rules are there for a reason. It's called equality. These lot are ignoring them and then pissing and moaning about them. If life on benefits is too hard then maybe they should try getting a real job. I know that most boaters do work hard but lets be honest the ones in this video Don't.
It's a great life, licence paid by taxpayer, no council tax or water bills, big subsidy from taxpayer, live in a slum,ruin the countryside complain about the people who run the canal, drop out of society but still expect society to pay for you!
Well, how other people live is of no particular concern to others, IF THEY LIVE ON THEIR OWN LAND IN ISOLATION, don't use public roads or ANY other services which they don't pay for, and don't expect others to subsidise them. However this is not possible.
There are very few countries where anarchy is encouraged, the UK is not one of them, for very good reasons. They are "entitled" to this that and the other, ie take take take.
You can't live in he UK without using anything at all, even if you lived totally isolated in a field and never left it you would benefit from things such as a lower crime rate because of the police existing.
Jo Allan first I believe there is an annual fee that is supposed to amortize the costs of operating the canal system. Second, I am not sure how it works in England but in the USA you never really own land unless you are the government because you always have to pay taxes on it at peril of loosing it for nonpayment, so practically we are all renters.
It is all so simple. Move on one mile every two weeks, that is all CRT are asking of continuous cruisers. Nothing more, nothing less, no hidden agendas.
CRT are giving guidelines that continuous cruisers need to travel 15-20 miles in a year, that is actually less than one mile every two weeks. Where is the hardship in this, where is the corporate vindictiveness in this. Follow these guidelines and all is OK.
The problem they experience is that you can't just move a mile up the canal and ten miles back, so you're constantly moving away from friends and family and school/work. Even people who live on water have attachments to the land.
Watching it, I thought it was 20 miles every 14 days. 20 miles a year is not an onerous rule for 'continuous cruising'
@@ThePaulArnott I thought it was 15-20 miles every 2 weeks too, I think the filmmakers are a little biased.
@@ujustgotpwned2008 Its not their land they are forming an attachment too and unless they pay a landowner for a private mooring they have to move a mile or so every couple of weeks, hardly that much of a hardship when they are supposed to be continuously cruising under the terms of the license. Don't forget that license gives them free elsan toilet facilities, free water and visitor moorings too on the whole CRT network, its a pretty good deal actually.
Should've gone up north. The folk are nicer. This vlog upset me dearly and I won't be venturing to the K &A despite all the lovely live a boards. You should all travel to the Leeds to Liverpool
Love the propel system
Lots of boats require lots of rules. You can’t expect a few to provide the upkeep for the many. If. Left to your own means there would be tent cities or the equivalent of all along the water ways..
Some of these boat crusties talk about their way of life and "the liveaboard community" like they're a representative sample. I've been living aboard for 18 years and they don't represent me and I don't accept their premise that there's any prejudice. The waterways are overcrowded and we're all expected to comply with the same rules. Anyway, it's a very one-sided video - no interviews with the boaters who don't support them.
That pedal powered boat could never hope to comply with any continuous cruising rules. If she can't control her boat in a gentle breeze it sort of makes the point that the boat needs an engine, although nobody is going to bother wasting their money installing an engine on that boat. I certainly wouldn't fancy taking it onto a river!
The laws need to be sorted for CC Narrowboaters as the C&RT will continue to just make it up as they go, they just seem to be interested in lining there pockets, selling assets, holiday boaters & marinas.
Dipping eggs good luck to you all love and best wishes cub xxx🤔
As a keen cyclist I'd love to see a further developed version of the bike powered boat!
If you need to stay in one place then get a mooring and stay within the rules, which have been there all along just that now they are being enforced, play the game.
in some areas it's just not possible to 'get a mooring'... especially when CRT put them up for auction starting at £9k a year in London. it shouldn't be a case of 'if you can't afford it don't live there' because hello we need teachers, nurses, academics and we simply don't earn enough.
@@ScatArtist It won't change as long as there still ARE nurses, teachers and not-enough-earning academics somehow struggling but still doing it. People who are necessary for the surviving of cities like teachers, nurses, subway drivers and garbage men do have to move away and not commute to work there anymore before anybody realizes what You just stated.
Just like towns that don't allow crappy looking places you'd think they'd do the same with boats
If you want to use the waterways then don't let your boat look like a pile of crap. Have some pride in your vessel and stop looking like a sack of shite. These waterways are precious and not just there because you think your spirituality gives you some brownie points with whichever middle earth prince or princess you people believe in. Homeschooling is done by people who have something of value to give a young person. If you name your child stick or willow, or whatever, and you are known as Panda or the pickety witch of the Waterworld, do not expect the system to let you be.
Tidy your craft and yourself up and just play the game. Yes, it is a pain, and we all have to do it. You can make it hard or easy. Your choice. But seriously, do tidy up your boat love or else the C&RT will have to torpedo the tub. Mind you that C&RT guy looks like a right reprobate with that dog chain around his neck. I wonder if he likes being known as doggie. I suspect the interviewer didn't know whether to whistle at him or take him for a walk!
If you cant pay , GET OFF THE BOAT. All those snowflake wafflers with their sentimental notions of ' community ' . Come on folks , we have to have rules and they must be obeyed
The Lucifarian tenticalcs even reach to the most peaceful of our communities !
God bless you all .
Stunningly beautiful hair.
I can't see a problem, why do some people think that they are a special case. Come on move be normal
More people live on boats more laws they will pass our wonderfull government wouldn't want people living for free .Although our politicians all do .This country is a joke .
Just spoken to the CRT was told as a Continuous cruiser you need to do over 20 miles per year thats 1.6 miles a month so Im finding it hard to see why they are trying to enforce other distances on people Im wanting to be a live aboard but dont think Ill bother plus Id contact the CEO of the trust who according to Third sector is on a good wage over £100,000 a year also heard they want to change froma charity to a
Business
I’m really confused, this video was from 2017 but the licence in the window was only valid to 2015... people that decide to be constant cruisers should just be constant cruisers and travel at least the minimum guidance of 20 miles. Do people in the video do this? and not over stay and travel far enough. Maybe also keep their boats smarter so they don’t look like rubbish dumps. Also they are entitled to remove the boat from the water if you are t licensed. Such rubbish and propaganda by people here. The arguments against London is plain wrong, the canal is totally overcrowded by people that are clearly not constant cruising. It takes a long way to get to revoke licences and to have boats removed. It doesn’t happen over night.
Bust The Trust. Put in it's place a cooperative management structure.. where the canal users hire the managers and the workers who maintain the canal. Why is there no penalty for Hire Firms who rent to irresponsible, drunken, and dangerous clients. Why is there no mechanism to cancel Hires and remove offending clients instead of letting them run roughshod, endangering lives, and property ? Why is there no mechanism to put irresponsible hire companies out of business ? The notion that a 20 or 30 ton steel vessel can be operated by some one with no experience is utter madness. If the CRT can "legalize" permanent moorings, they can certainly create another class of residential semi-permanent mooring.. or create another class of license.. grandfathering in those in danger.. and concentrating on standards of safety.. rather than puritanicaly hypocracy
Any comments regarding the child's education,health and well being, ambitions, other plans or concerns?
*That may well be a very green approach to powering a barge, but what happens when you come to an uphill bit ?*
You understand how water works right? Canals don't have "uphill bit"s...
In this day and age, facilitating the ease of alternative living should be paramount.
After all, how many people can attain, or pay for a mortgage? It's a problem likely to
get worse, rather than better.
It would make more sense to EXPAND the network, and SHRINK the rule book.
Sadly, I cannot see common sense creeping into UK politics any time soon.
@kwackkers68 You are absolutely right, but You can not expect what You and I call common sense from "proud contributers" like the one answering just before me here I'm afraid ...
I live completely off grid, but I still have to follow rules regarding the council in which my home is located. The roads, where I drive. The list goes on. There always needs to be rules.
I was a friend of the CRT and made my donations until they fined me a rip off 30 quid for a late payment on my monthly license DD. We were supposed to be "friends" , that's not how friends treat each other , so we're no longer friends and they don't get an extra penny out of me anymore........................When I get to Crick show this year , I'll put their hat on straight for them.....................
I don't understand how the CRT can revoke a licence based on not moving far enough when they say they can't specify a distance. This needs to be tested in court.
Abide by the law .? you don’t pay council tax? Or pay for a mooring
No one is aloud to live as a free and natural human being..... Leave these people alone
"Bona fide navigation" is a key phase in the law. You are genuinely navigating (moving on/travelling) the canals and river ways or you're not. Living in a relatively small navigation zone, would not be considered a bona fide navigation of the waterways and therefore an abuse of the law. Economic Housing Marinas and Ports developed by government for those boat owners with lower incomes could be potentially operated at as "Not For Profit" facilities. Pay for what you use and avoid clashes with the CRT over navigation issues. Just a thought for debate.
@Alex Smith Hi Alex... it's an idea that could possibly work... people need to motivate the government to see the need and develop such places.
Hi everybody
I'm not too good at reading and writing
but I would like to know that you're all okay and what was the outcome
Best wishes to all. 🌟🙏🌟
@pete2778 Doug's got a bloody bouncing job with crt presumably ... no need for distinguishing wright from write, feeling entitled is sufficient.
What doesn't add up is that she's selling up to live in a van, presumably to move and travel, but her whole issue with the CRT is that they're trying to stop her being stationary.
Yes good point, but they were saying as there's no law for how far they should move, the canal trust claim people aren't moving enough as an excuse to get rid of those who don't pay for permanent mooring. Then if their licence is revoked, they're classed as being illegally on the canal and then have to pay many thousands for the Canal Trust to remove the boat, and it isn't given back until they pay for the costs to remove the boat. When you think how much a boat costs, it must be worrying the Trust could steal it off them. I've studied some law, and one of the main principles is that the law should be clear and concise so people can easily follow it.
@@olgapavlova585 The law is designed to be opaque, otherwise it wouldn't be a money maker for its practitioners.
18:00 it seems pretty cruel to put one's children out of reach of medical support and schools. Surely an inappropriate lifestyle?
There are a lot of recent comments on this post, but no updates on how any of these people are doing now nearly two years on.
Bev left the canal to pursue other adventures with Cub, meanwhile the battle continues and the storm rages on!
@@Someroom_room_search cheers for the update!
After watching the video, I thought I had seen another example of a badly managed company/official entity in the UK (where I come from). After reading a selection of comments, I can see there *appears to be* a bias in the film which shows the official entity to be the unreasonable party.
I suggest anyone, like me, who is thinking about a life on a canal boat, read a good selection of comments below before settling too quickly on either 'side'.
I feel that anyone who has a sense of fairplay will agree that, within the scope of what is presented in the video, no one is being bullied by the CRT.
I could be wrong.
I can understand that the CRT is wanting to get rid of the New Age Travellers. I suspect they would also like to get rid of all liveaboards.
@Chris Landry why do you think that? Without the rivers and canals they would have no point?
@Jeff Moss There was just a teeny touch of irony in my comment....
I agree with you, I suspect it is eventually going to be like areas of London where gentrification is pushing out all the families who lived in the local areas. But why not introduce a fair practice in which there is a diverse community including people who choose to move every 14 days without pressure on their communities.
since the CRT cannot give a number of miles you have to travel in order to "comply" they cannot say anyone has not complied. it's like telling some one they are speeding but when asked the speed limit they can't give a number. they can't or won't give a minimum number of miles in order to comply then they cannot say any one didn't comply. no minimum no violation.
looks to m as everyone in this video are no different to the freeloading travellers you see in laybys or car parks , i love the canal and though I've only a small 14ft day boat (crt14) i love watching and looking at the narrow boats but when you see one dragging 3 others behind loaded up with junk its an eye saw and to me its disrespectful to the genuine continuous cruisers who abide by the waterways. everyone has the right to use the waters but don't take the micky, if wana live in a community go buy a house boating's about the freedom and the ability to roam not build boat community, half them boats dont even look fit for purpose, boat for sale will px a caravan
I agree, it's starting to put me off the idea of a narrow boat lol
Spot and On !
Wow that pedal powered gizmo is brilliant! Cool! 😁😁
It would appear that CART are attempting to circumvent the law by means of contract (the purchase of a licence). This you cannot do. Also, for a contract to be enforcable, it must be specific and equitable. I would suggest that, by not setting a specific distance to travel, the contract fails on both counts. I'm sure some legally trained person could be persuaded to start an action to test this in the courts.
you can quote all the European rules if you like it doesn't really matter because the CRT will be the CRT and if you don't move your boat you will get in trouble, Simple that's want signed on for when brought your licence and quoting EU rules in a few years won't matter anyway as by that time the UK would have left it and EU human rights have been voted away.
Not really, because CRT doesnt decide. It goes to a magistrates court and CRThave lost quite a few cases on the grounds they are making ppl intentionally homeless.
@@ugy10 You saw the same people I saw in this documentary: Do You really thing they're up to take their fight against an organization represented by an asshole of the chain-choker variety to a magistrates court?
I'm originally from California and spent TOO LITTLE time off the Sacramento delta- Whiskey Slough. Truly, only the grandfatherd or rich
An excellent film and report, that highlights a real problem both for CRT and for the live aboard. It seems to me that part of the problem is the severe housing shortage through poor government, but also that we cannot allow the canal system to become a linear housing estate. So somewhere compromises have to be made possibly with more permanent moorings as in London and as exist in Oxford with such amenities as electric and water supply and nearby elsan points. All that though is going to cost money which is perhaps yet another problem - I don't know - very difficult.
The CRT has to Police the Canals and rivers because unfortunately there are a lot of people who think they can do anything they want and live on some Craft that honestly a Rat would abandon 🤷♂️.
There are New Rules coming out soon regarding every Narrow Boat must have a Home Mooring,even if they regard themselves as continuous cruisers.
The Waterways act was designed and implemented quite a long time ago now and unfortunately things do change with time.
There are many who comply with the CRT rules but there are many who don’t and they are going to spoil the Canals and Rivers for everyone else because CRT will just get tougher and Licences are going to cost a lot more and of course the Boat Safety ( MOT ) needs to be able to keep people safe ( in a lot of cases from themselves and the way in which they are trying to live ).
The Canals are getting busier and Yes there are lots of Colourful characters but they live in some pretty dangerous crafts 🤷♂️.
Fossil Fuels are going to be banned everywhere soon so no more collecting fire wood and burning that 🤷♂️
The CRT guy-what a jobs worth!! People like you make this world a bloody miserable place.
We're being ruled, lawed, regulated, legislated, fined & taxed to death, by governments, corporations, organisations, trust.
Every aspect of our lives are controlled by someone. Be it work or pleasure, its under some legislation, regulation or law.
If we werent society would fall apart.