WTF Really Happened to ROCKY (1976)?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Many people believe that Sylvester Stallone based his screenplay for Rocky on the career of journeyman boxer Chuck Wepner. In fact, a well-received movie with Liev Schreiber, Chuck, was made about this fact, and in this episode of WTF Really Happened to this Movie, we compare the on-screen career of the great Rocky Balboa with his real-life counterpart.
In it, we take a look at Wepner’s claim to fame, which is when the “Bayonne Bleeder” lasted fifteen rounds against Muhammad Ali. Stallone would acknowledge Wepner as an inspiration, attempting to cast him in Rocky II. The two would cross paths several times over the years, with Wepner, an inmate at the same prison Stallone was shooting Lock Up at in 1988. Wepner sued Stallone in 2003, seeking payment for inspiring Balboa, and the case was settled for an undisclosed amount years later. So did Wepner have a point? Let’s dig into the history behind Rocky, and Chuck Wepner in this episode of WTF Really Happened to this Movie?
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The first Rocky is a masterpiece.
True. I think 2 is overlooked tho. Rocky 2 touches me more than 1 for some reason.
Yes this movie is just amazing I cry at the end even today I saw it as a child in the theater as a child the end always had a huge effect on me I recognized even then the things that we think matter the most are usually over shadowed by the things that really do
The monologue to his son in Balboa is awesome
@@patryce999 absolutely great dialogue
And Rocky 3 as well. Rocky Balboa in close too
Rewatched Rocky recently in 4K - it looks stunning, it was like watching it for the first time. Shame there's no Rocky II 4k release.
I'm patiently waiting for the collection to be remastered in 4k...it has to come sooner than later
Hands down the original was off a real boxer but the best was rocky iv..
One of the greatest movies ever made. A stunning achievement in character study and acting chemistry.
From the sounds of it, this wasn't based on a true life story. It was inspired by a boxing match, and everything else was made up.
Nothing is the same but the fight and even that ends differently. I watched that 30 for 30 and after this I realize webner just wanted the money but I don't blame him.
When I watched the movie SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME with Paul Newman I thought that was like ROCKY.
well said agreed
@@ricogomez4020 great film!! Been years since I watched it
Correct. The boxing match was Stallone’s “muse”. If anything, Rocky was more of a reflection of where Stallone’s career was at the time.
Rocky is one of the best films ever make, I always watch this once a year.
Same it's one of a handful of films I watch every single year
The punching frozen beef came from Joe Frazier (also from Philly), who before becoming a contender worked in a meatpacking factory, where - on occasion - he would punch the meat for training.
Running through the streets of Philadelphia, having one bad eye ... the list goes on.
I think you're missing the point dude. Only the fight itself was based on the Ali - Wepner fight. The rest was Stallone's own story. Calling it BS is a mistake. The film wasn't about Chuck Wepner's life lol.
I don’t think Joe was ever saying Rocky was based off of the life of Chuck Wepner. It was Chuck Wepner himself who is making that calm and Joe was simply analyzing the movie to see if his calm was true. There this documentary from ESPN from 2011 called: 30 for 30: The Real Rocky. In it Chuck Wepner goes on to say his life inspire Rocky not just from the 1975 heavyweight championship fight with Ali, other things too, like Wepner calms his exhibition fight with Andre the Giant is what inspire the scene in Rocky III where Rocky fight the World Wrestling Champion Thunderlips because that too was a exhibition fight.
Rocky is an amazing against all odds tale. Just goes to show how inspiration can come from anywhere and all it takes is the right person to capture it. Well done Stallone. Well done 👏
I adore the rocky franchise and the first Rocky is easily in my top five favorite movies.
We all know that Rockies military career was in the special forces, Under direct supervision of Colonel Sam Trautman
Heck yes it was. Great point
I'm casting this video to my TV and I've genuinely never seen the movie in such a vivid resolution.
Huge props for that alone.
I've gotta get me a 4k copy now.
Loved the content just as much too 👍🏼
It's good that Stallone changed some factual events of this real boxer's life. As it all made for a better story. And made Rocky a more of a nobody. When in reality this real boxer's life it's partially based on, was somewhat of a somebody. He had a few high profile matches, made a descent living, enough that he had a regular job and was at one time in the service. Rocky was at a desperate rock bottom, which has a bigger effect on the movie when Apollo gives him his one big shot.
Finally!! A new narrator. Thanks Joblo. I don't have Dave, but switch it up some more.
Rocky was not kicked out of Mick's gym for working for Gazo, thats just why Mick did like him at first.
Right. His underachieving as a boxer and poor training lost him the locker. Its funny that in Rocky 2 he asks for his locker back lol
I watched a documentary about Stallone's brother Frank Stallone. His family was raised as a boxing family & Frank actually was a boxer
What do you mean? It's still the most beloved sports movie ever made. "ADRIAN!"
I watched the documentary about Wepner. He felt that Stallone copied his fight with Andre the Giant in Rocky 3. Also when Stallone did the movie Lock up Wepner happened to be at that prison at the time & of course Copland was the straw that broke the camel's back for him in which he sued
Wow!I just requested this great film from the library a week ago and was talking about this film!One of my all-time favorite films of all time!
That was great, with some real facts about a real boxer (Chuck Wagner) w/ a fictitious character being portrayed as Rocky Balboa (Sylvester Stallone), that was great, thanks for sharring.
I don't know why there's a "Fact-o-Meter" for this episode. The film was never intended to be Wepner's biography, just a story that was inspired by some of what happened to Wepner.
At 10:06, Sonny Banks was the first to floor Ali (Clay), then Henry Cooper, then Frazier being the third. The Wepner incident is very debatable but if counted he would've been the fourth to floor Ali.
If Stallone had been smart he would have not been so specific about his inspiration and just kept it vague saying it was inspired by several people he knew of without naming any names but I guess he figured the disclaimer at the end of every movie saying any relation to any real people living or dead is a coincidence would protect him.
I feel like this is more of a facts vs fiction video than a WTF happened video
I’m not even into boxing but I love this movie!!!
The entire Rocky franchise uses a LOT of quotes and real life events in its movies. Still love all of them!
Yea especially in 5 when Mickey gives him the speech of “sometimes people die because they don’t wanna live no more” which is almost work for word what Mike Tyson’s trainer said to him
The movie Chuck starring Ray Donovan tells the story pretty well....I almost thought we were gonna see a Sly cameo in there
He was in 20 times better shape than Wepner in that movie
Was the movie not called
The Bleeder based on Chuck's life story
@@Dmcrae1877 LOL I think it's actually called Chuck...I saw it in theatres...on one of the four screens it was on
@@Dmcrae1877 thr Bleeder was Liv Schriber and the Brawler was Zach McGowan
Possibly different in UK as ive just googled it
Chuck's Lawyer: Chuck had a boxer vs wrestler match, his roadwork occurred in a park that ended with an ascent up a flight of stairs, he sometimes moonlighted as an enforcer for loan sharks...
Me: Wait a minute, did he just implicate his client in criminal activity?
When it broke to, " thank you for watching jb videos".... I was like what, that's it??? Ahhh.
Punching the meat was taken from Joe Fraizer.
Wepner did stand on Ali's foot foot and should have been disqualified. There are plenty of photos and it was shown on wide world of sports with Howard Cosell. Great movie though.
This movie was too real for me,my favourite is Rocky 3
Mine too! Everyone likes Rocky IV the most, but Clubber Lang scared me even more than Drago!
@@sunnyjohnson992 pathetic
Great video
Adrian!!!!
Stallone is one of the greatest.
The 1st one was my favorite rocky movie…
The background music didn't bring the mode to listen in this review not like other videos with great background music.
It all went downhill after 4
Id argue killing Apollo is the biggest mistake in the series
Rocky Balboa brought it back to respectability
I'm in ROCKY BALBOA movie. That's why I'm so cool!
rocky through rocky balboa (6), the lifelong story of a man who wanted to retire from boxing but noone would let him
Thanks 👍🏾
I don't get the point of this video. Stallone was inspired by a particular fight. He wasn't making a movie based on a true story.
They should make a Rocky Prequel showing him during his younger days. Might be interesting because Rocky’s childhood is never really mentioned at all.
Bit difficult since Stallone is 75 now though
@@peadarmurray7994 obviously Stallone wouldn’t be playing the part.
@@latrellsprewell653
Be a shit show then, they'd probably race swap Rocky if going by today's climate
I love this movie
Please do a wtf happened video to monkeybone
Wow amazing interesting facts
DO TIM ALLEN
Stallone could have won that case but I like to believe he gave that man his due for inspiring the movie that pretty much made his career.... sucks they had to involve the courts for him to do it...
Hmmm, interesting approach to this video. Rocky was never advertised as being based on a true story. Eh, oh well.
So, this also inspired that episode of the Simpsons, right?
What do you guys think is better Rocky two or rocky one my opinion I like both but what y’all
Balboa was probably based as much off of Joe Frazier than anyone else?
He is saying ‘WePner’, right?
if you wanna watch a boxing movie that is just as good but I bet you have never heard of it, watch Crying Fist 2005.
Rocky balboa is also based on Rocky Marciano
2 is STILL the best
Sylvester Stallone didn’t just rip off the fight between Webner and Ali he ripped off a lot. His movie lockdown is based on him. In Rocky 3 Rocky fights hulk hogan just like webner fought Andre. Shits really weird when you think about all the similarities.
Yeah their this documentary from ESPN called 30 for 30: The Real Rocky. In it Chuck Wepner goes on to say his life inspire Rocky, not just from his heavyweight championship fight with Ali, other things too because Wepner calm his exhibition fight with Andre the Giant inspire the scene in Rocky III where Rocky also fight the World Wrestling Champion in an exhibition fight. Wepner himself saw the similarities and in the documentary according to Chuck Wepner, the prison he was in while serving time for doing drugs, Sylvester Stallone coincidentally happened to use that same prison to film a movie. While using the prison Sylvester used the moment to spend time with Wepner and Wepner asked Stallone, “why do you keep copying things from my life”? And Stallone said, “Because it’s great stuff”
Yeah, the Wepner fight might have been an inspiration, but the real catharsis was Stallone's own life. At the time of writing it he was on skid row, no discernable future, and a less than stellar past growing up and approaching thirty. In addition, you had the depressing environs of that part of Philly, with the street always a factor in how your day went. In many ways it was more a kitchen sink drama than a sports movie. Think On the Waterfront if Terry Malloy would have had an extended boxing career. After, the movie's phenomenal success, they figured they caught lightning in a bottle, and the Rocky sequels took off. Maybe V was a return to the real drama of Rocky I, but audiences spoiled on the sequels expected something else. You also have to consider that the big movies in 1990 were Die hard II, Total Recall, and Pretty Woman: one dimensional films that were in perfect harmony with the go go atmosphere of the late 80s. Were Rocky V released a few years later, in the more introspective 90s (at least til 97) it might have faired a lot better. I liked Rocky 4, but its probably the most vapid unrealistic of all the movies. It was released at the right time: the height of the second part of the Cold War. All those films released in the 84-87 time period ( Rambo, Top Gun, Red Dawn, Iron eagle, to a lesser extent) were successful. Now, had the premise of Rocky 4 been introduced in say 1989 after the Berlin Wall fell, they might have had a clunker on their hands. So, perception is subjective. But, yeah, like certain other cities Rocky I's environs bring a gritty lackluster landscape, that your just starting to see come back to cinema, after the dissolution of modern society, and our economic problems. You could say Rocky 6 brought some of that back, but did you ever think watching 6 , that Rocky would be the proprietor of his own restaurant and be asked for autographs instead of being thought of as a meathead(sic)? The answer is no.
That’s what happened with Rambo III, released too late
HEY YO! ADRIAN
what happened to rocky. he needed money cuz he had none, he fought creed and creed won
I disagree with most of the comments below: Rocky was certainly based on Wepner's life centering around his one shot at fame in the fight with Ali. Besides that fight, there were many items and incidences in Wepner's life that Stallone copied. Like being a semi-pro and being an enforcer for a minor mobster, growing up on the dock's and never having the chance to train full-time until that big fight. Even the fact that his nose had never been broken until that climactic fight. Even the amounts of money in the purses for the respective fighters and the disrespect that Ali showed to Wepner and the way he took Ali's insults were parallel to the way Balboa was disrespected by Creed in public and he bore it. If you want to talk about differences then point out that Rocky dropped Creed with a left hook and Wepner decked Ali with a straight right. And Wepner was down but not out when the referee stopped his fight with
Still sounds like except for the FIGHT the close resemblances are trivial while the important details are vastly different.
With that, Ali or his estate would have had as much right to sue for THEIR side being copied for much of the key scene of Rocky as Wepner had. I don't think they ever did?
U can check out the fight in youtube, webner stept in Ali's foot, and touched him with a bodyshot while Ali was moving, he lost balance and fell down... Not the impressive ko people make out of it. Webner also so fought very dirty, hitting Ali behind the head with illegal punches in every round. Ali kayoed him in the end. Webner didn't have much in common with Rocky, this story is much hype.
Id leave a comment but ive gotta fly now
I've never watched a rockie movie. Not a single one at least all the through. I'm not a sports movie buff. Nor am I a sports buff, dont watch football, baseball, and definitely not a boxing fan, although I find it more interesting than literally any other sport. That being said, Is the first rockie movie actually worth my time? Would a non sports fan enjoy the story? I'm honestly curious. I've always heard how amazing this movie was, but I've never watched it. I will if its actually worth my time.
The fight is truly only a small part of the movie. It's a character flick through and through. It's a slow burn compared to movies today, as you get to know Rocky, Pauly, Adrienne, Mick, and the rest of the characters. The fight takes up like 10 minutes of the movie.
Its more of a human story , the boxing match is the backstory.
Yes I'm a female with zero interest in boxing and I liked it...its really a character study, the actual fight only comes at the end
@@myronstanley4305 ok cool I'll check it out then
Rocky isn’t a sport movie, or a boxing movie. It’s about a man who boxes. Yes it’s worth your time.
Who said excellence had to be original?
I want to do like this video. But I can’t.
Can someone explain to me the factometer lol
EXACTLY! 💯 Rocky was never advertised as being based on a true story, let alone inspired by actual events. Not the best approach to WTF HAPPENED TO ROCKY.
Rocky is Not a blue collar worker, He didn't have a real job, until part 2 !!
Adriaaaaaan
ADRIAN!!
Wepner also bashed the back of Ali's head to cheat at winning. Not so heroic when you see it
No more Creed movies pleeeease. They're god awful.
Yes agreed. Michael B Jordan is so unlikable I wanted the Russian to win in Creed 2.
Rocky 1 to 4 are great but 5 ruins it. Which is why 6 was made followed by the creed movies. If you watched from 4 to Creed Movies it wouldn't matter about 5 and 6 and Rocky wouldn't have brain damage from 5 and then still fight in 6 which wouldn't happen.
CREED 3 will bomb.
You said “infer” when you should have said “imply”
Instead of saying "TO" say "With". English, do you speak it?
Who cares?
What?
Do you know why Sylvester Stallone didn't want admit that he took someone's life story ? Cuz he didn't want to pay for the royalties or the rights to the man's life. Much like you and all these channels on here like this one making money off other people's talents
*to
There’s no evidence that Paulie was Rocky’s best friend. Certainly not before Rocky hooked up with Adrianne.
He didn’t have many friends tho did he, from what we saw it was the friend he hung out with most. And I like in creed when he says “Pauly was my best friend, even tho he wasn’t too friendly”.
Best? How about only?
Yr a tge multi multi millionaire couldnt gave given him a few million ,instead of telling him gell get him in a movie, who cares about that ,hed have made the money of an Xtra, cmon ,he gad no intention of ever coming good ,or he'd gave e t rangers a million at least ,thars like 20 bux to that intellectual theuf ,it was this that gave him a career, i thibj ge owes g alf at least to weiner, id hed not stolen his life !and nade it into movie, ged never gave made ut big, no millions,right ,he owes him gell of alot mire than a stupid part in a movie ,hows that gelp him , g e ain't gonna get any more roles he owes him everything
A little harsh don't ya think? I mean this installment is the prime example of the bsmeter disregarding the fact that these changes, many of which are slight, are made to tell a more dramatic/compelling narrative. There is nothing more "underdog" than a no-name claiming the title. You don't have to break the meter after every question when you view the film from more than one angle. Just saying
So what your saying is, Stallone saw a boxing match and made a movie.. That's like saying, Tom cruise saw a pool match and thought "I should take that role now."
This is stupid. Why the 'factmeter'? Rocky is not a retelling of Wepner. It was only the underlying idea of the 'unknown underdog' boxer. It's all fiction.
Wepner won in court for using his likeness. So yeah .
JoBlo SIMPing for Stallone. Cause he's still making movies and don't you want to get invited for the premiere?
rocky is Stallone story actually
the true inspiration for Rocky was Argentine boxer Ringo Bonavena, who fought Ali in 1970.
So Stalone didn't really have an original idea in his life....figures.
*Stallone
Apollo was also portrayed to be in his prime during the fight. Ali wasn't
I love the Rocky movies, though I do have one small problem... In the first film, you have the horrible guy who drives for the loan Shark who says, "Take her to the zoo, I hear retards like the zoo!". A horrible line from a horrible character. Cut to Rocky II... Rock gets out of hospital and proposes to Adrien... Where does he propose? The fucking zoo! Slight oversight there Stallone! lol
no my dude, it's supposed to be ironic....it's foreshadowing the first time it's mentioned...but then when it appears it's the complete opposite purpose...whether it's dramatic or sardonic irony...it's a joke and it's funny
I’ve always thought that. It’s a joke. I had a Spanish girlfriend who barely spoke English and I took her to the zoo, and my friend said ‘retards like the zoo’ and I couldn’t help but laugh.
At no point did I ever think.... hmmmm what inspired this.... its a film... even films 'based on true events' are nonsense.... utter clickbait nonsense.... its like being disappointed that Star Trek isn't a foretelling of genuine future events....
Worst actor and worst movie ever.
Troll , why did it get 'best picture at the Oscars ? Why did it make 100,s of millions? Dont answer that and dont anyone give this loser the satisfaction of replying . Do not reply.
Troll
Hater…
Ok he did not make a true story he just took the concept so no nothing should be 100% what a waste of making this video
I don't want to burst your bubble either but Chuck wepner was a terrible fighter and got his ass kicked by Ali. Stop talking about boxing like it has anything to do with this gay ass movie
Everyone in the world loves this movie ..... but u . Troll .
So the only similarities are the fight only. The rest came from Stallone's head. Stallone was more inspired from Joe Frazier's training. I don't think he owed Chuck that much