Sami Neo-Shamanism in Norway
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- Sami Neo-Shamanism in the particular case of Norway. From Native Faith to New Age Spirituality.
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I am a Chinese. I have never been abroad. But in the summer of 2018, "someone" suddenly taught me runes in my dreams, and from that moment my life changed completely. I have been watching your video these days, fortunately, I really started to learn the old knowledge with a new identity. Maybe I was a shaman before, thank you for teaching and sharing.
I saw runes unearthed in Sichuan.
What an incredible gift. Beautiful.
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Shame sami don't use runes :/
Old norse religiousity is hella interesting tho
This was an excellent exhortation for all of us who are hungrily recreating our pre Christian paths to do a thorough and honest job, utilizing "history, archeology, anthropology and linguistics" to form a solid foundation. I agree that we must keep an open mind, always looking to learn, as we are continually "picking up the pieces of … what was lost". An inspiring video for all us reconstructionalists. The quotations are from Arith Harger in the video, I hope I got them right but I do scribble my notes while continuing to listen!
my ancestry is Norwegian and Native American (turtle mountain band of Chippewa) and I am fighting to reconnect with the cultures that dissolved in my family and honor my ancestors
That’s tough.
I am Australian born of..Irish ancestors on both sides...my father came to Australia from a farming village in Ireland when he was 25...I also have a strong pull toward my ..ANCIENT..Irish ancestors...more than my “living” cousins...with my father now almost 10 years past...his ashes scattered in Ireland..I feel a great yearning for HOME...my ancestry DNA...is 98 % Irish.Blessings on your journey to..RECONNECT with your family of ...Ancestors 🐝🌈
I’m an interesting mixture of European and Native American ancestry as well. I think this mixture goes back further than we might think as I believe there was a good bit of contact going on prior to Columbus. I think we are just scratching the surface on all the possibilities. My two grandmothers come from creek and Cherokee backgrounds with whites intermarriage with the natives in the 1700s and 1800s.
Scots, Cherokee, and Muscogee - and same.
@@crowolfe290Cherokee is a government label... That is for legal reasons.. but among us we know our real names. And of course our clans. So when people say they're Cherokee or names that are widely known we know that they absolutely are not. You may want to see if your family stole land and find the family they stole it from. Back in the day settlers could pay $5 to steal a families identity. That's when they started giving these fake names. I'd check into that. It happened and it's being revealed. Google it, there was a man that gave this woman all of his land because he found out his ancestors stole it from her family. All of those records still exist btw. Good. Luck but I'm just lettkng you know no one indigenous says they're Cherokee. And if you hear someone say that like "my great great ECT grandma was a Cherokee princess" or something like that we always laught. That tribe doesn't actually exist and the tribes surrounding that government label do not have princess's 😂😂😂😂
Thank you for your theoretical facts about our tradition. i like that you have a realistic approach to it. That said, what you are referring to is the public part of the sami "shamanic" tradition. Even we lost lot, there are parts of our tradition that is been handled down in secret inside the family lines for generations, many of us still live and breath the tradition. We just don`t talk about, specially not to non-sami people or it in public, cause of the history of being prosecuted and killed cause of it. And we do not cal it shamanism. that work is a new constructed word for us. Ailo Gaup did a great job as you said to introduce core techniques, but also him grew up outside the sami tradition in the south. Core shamanism is shamanic techniques, not traditions, that is very different. Just want you to know, your information is not the whole story, we are still here living and breathing our culture ;)
Best comment.
I'm glad you commented! I have been wondering if there are Sami families who kept the real traditions and connections to the spirits that are left out of "core shamanism" and neoshamanism. I am Norwegian-American with Sami ancestry and am currently being trained as a medicine woman by a Navajo medicine man. He says he has never heard of a white person who can do what he does and thinks I am like this because of my Sami genes. I am in contact with my Sami ancestral spirits as well as the Norse ones, and they have been teaching me a lot above and beyond what my Navajo teacher teaches me. I commented above, if you want to read more in depth about my experience. I would give my eye teeth to connect with someone who knows real Sami shamanism!
Thank you so very much for the time and effort that you put into your videos. As someone who is a degree holder in the fields of history as well, I am enthralled by your works, and I deeply appreciate all that you do to educate the masses and bring to life the past (which is much more interesting than the present 😁). Again, thank you so much for your time and effort, as it is valued and valuable.
Thank you so much for your feedback, I highly appreciate it. As a fellow scientist of the human sciences I agree with you, the past is far more interesting hehe, and we often live in it and in the lives of others. Thank you so much for your support! :D
J May well said. Thanks again Arith!
At least we don't have to drain people's blood for sacrifices and shape their dried bodies into cross-legged positions.
And thank you for saying the same thing I had in mind to say. I don't have a degree, but i have also spent my life looking into our past... With my driving intrest being our spiritual past, though I believe our spiritual life shapes our physical life and that our physical life drives our spiritually.
Yes, I too am incredibly gratefully for you wonderful, and wisdom filled videos - there is so much meshed and twisted or almost backwards information out there - It has felt to me like it's intended to put people off of finding out about their culture and ancestors. Groups argue about it - but give no advice to books - Your videos are wonderful - If you ever wrote a book on all or most of this - I would most certainly buy it.
So, so, *so* grateful to hear someone speaking realistically about Pagan Reconstructionism!
When I began my Pagan and Magical Studies, I saw some of the Reconstructionism stuff and it just didn't feel right. But I knew it was the only place to begin and that truer practices would hopefully emerge with time. Having "Beginner's Mind" is an excellent way to stay open to more information and to prevent division via trash-talking people who aren't "authentic" enuf. Bless anyone and everyone who is trying to find what was lost in every Tradition and every Faith.
Everything except the colonial impulse, that is.
I'm hoping we can all agree to leave that in the past so we can *all* rediscover who we have been and are and can be.
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I am of Saami ancestry and I thank you for this video 🙏
I've been listening to Heilung over the past few months and it's interesting to see in the comments of their videos how many different people from across the world feel this deep, spiritual yearning to connect with their ancestral past. African, Middle East, South & Native Americans and people from all over Europe expressed similar sentiments. Seems Heilung's message at the start & end of their LIFA performance has some merit of truth to it.
I’ve been listening to Heilung everyday over the last few months as well. Wardruna, too. It’s amazing.
Me too. Its incredible
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Yes!! Me....I want to connect with the music to help me connect with my people. Both of my grandmothers immigrated from Norway but I know nothing about my culture and family. I don't know where to start so I am going to spirituality since this is what I seek with my entire heart
"Sami neo shamanism" is a small part of an racially motivated identity movement, in a milieu that is highly politically oriented, and at that also fractured by a looooot of inside conflicts and interests. They have a sort of unofficial "nobility system" (mostly based on surnames). Some Sami are not regarded Sami, while others are "bad Sami", and yet others are "good Sami". There exist hardly any real Sami racial phenotype these days, yet they speak of "half Sami", "quarter Sami", "Sami only by marriage" and such - as if they were residents of the Third Reich.
I have a mixed race part Sami background. And in my family line, I have a couple of the last great "kloka gubbar" from northern Sweden. They are mentioned in quite a few books on shamanism, Nåids, folklore, traditional healing and so forth. The last of these had people coming even from North America to visit him, to receive healing and so on (mind you - a *huge* undertaking going all way here back then!). Extinguish out wildfires, cure disease, stop bleedings, perform "house exorcism", find lost people/objects and doing a lot of other things.
Thing is - this was all "non ethnic". No names/words/symbols or anything being either Norse or Sami, no nothing. Just "pure magic". We had many of these men and women up here back in the days, even my father who's 69 have seen things with his own eyes.
Today it's the opposite. These modern "shamans" can do literally shit but fantasize, talk and talk and claim to be great gurus. It's all role playing, all an identity thing. Beating drums and pretend, and just take some drugs if it doesn't feel real enough.
This video filled my heart with joy...thanks so much Arith!
Thank you ^^ glad it did! :D
A Noádi will be the only one to know part or all of the shamanic practices and must be well versed and confident in what she does in Sámi culture. This is typically inherited from generation to generation. She will not share her knowledge but rather share her intent in healing either the physical body or the spiritual body with everyone else. Mental health falls into spiritual healing. Sincerely, A Sámi 😊
Another excellent video, Arith. Again, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge :)
You are amazing, thank you for your videos. This is the one I was looking for.
Love from Australia 🙏💜
Of all your videos, I particularly enjoyed this one and watched it twice. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
This is one of the most intelligent and sincere videos that I have seen on CZcams so far. Good work!
I really like the natural settings for your videos! It’s nice to change things up.
Thank you for this. Physical life needs have been overwhelming me for a while, and this has come to me just as i have begun to find time to nourish my own needs, physical and spiritual.
As usual Arith your videos are inspiring.. This is an exciting time for the old ways.
Very nice! Love your videos!
Omfh the opening with those symbols in the upper right corner...for a second I thought there was a spider on my phone screen...!
Thank you for bringing attention to cultures of minorities Arith. Love your work. I listen to you often; you've opened up so many new avenues of research and thought.
"Good one, Arith. Long time listener and also a shamanic researcher, and proud full-blooded pagan. Not neo, but PAGAN if you will. My personal story is long, as is the project I've been working on for many years, and it is finally coming together. I'm not here to just show my appreciation for your guidance and clear way of expressing it, but to also agree with your end goal and add some things to your great summary of the path towards authentic shamanism. I believe we must start from a place of not knowing anything. My grandmother, a Latvian war refugee, raised me slightly differently - it's the way she spoke of things. She would call small cherry trees 'babies' and the big ones 'mothers.' She would communicate with crows and was fascinated by animals, foxes, mushrooms, flowers, and native trees she smuggled here through Ellis Island. She didn't have shame, but my father did. He changed his name from Zintis to John, and though he speaks the language, I have realized that it doesn't matter what language you speak - it's how you speak of the world. So, not to ramble, I wanted to add that point. I believe even spirits, the idea of them and gods, were not so magical in the sense we have been taught to believe. But this is the world of spirits and magic. Paganism is tweaking the language slightly to see that this is the spirit world."
Thank you Arith, very interesting video.
thank you ^^
Arith , I love your video's.. you give back things that yes we have list. Thank you for your honor into a you handle it all
Another great video my friend
I truly enjoy listening to you. When we started with paganism 20 years ago information in English was very limited. You tube has Opened doors of information and we are so great full for educated people like yourself sharing and explaining the old ways. As people from the new worlds we lost our heritage and many are now trying to reconnect to our roots. Your time and efforts are much appreciated ...
Very happy to hear you expound these samve feelings that I have
I actually want to speak on a minor disagreement I have with what was said about shamanic practices becoming more contemporary to fit the western world (was spoken about at around 6:37-7:45). While it is so important to have a historical context for the practices being followed today by reshaping our worldview to fit a more shamanic framework based on the past, one purpose of shamanic practices is to help modern people with modern problems. Shamanism was never meant to be a historic and unchanging artifact, but a tool that changes and transforms with it's people. Furthermore, shamanic practices have the potential to create the social reform people are searching for at the very crux of the issue, as in the western worldview we find ourselves working within. Shamanic practices, particularly European ones, should not be seen as a phenomenon outside of the western world, but one that works within it and is constantly in a relationship to it.
You are rewiring your make up, this is powerful. Thank you.
Arith, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us! I can't help but feel a lot of the issues we face today are a direct result of this disconnect with nature and our ancient mindsets. I will be doing a podcast related to, and almost in response to this video (I know it's older, but inspiration strikes where inspiration strikes!). I hope you are well, and thank you once again!
Hi, Arith. excellent and inspiring video, with illuminated content of wisdom that drips with cimobubble loaded with motivations to transform ourselves and understand that we are little pieces, feactals and pieces of this huge puzzle of life, as gains that are ratified more and more until we find that we are in a huge forest called the whole, divine and love! thank you so much for everything today and always. hugs, Leonardo de Soure Marajó Island Pará Brazil😊
Love your stuff kick on love it
This is interesting and beautiful thank you.
My favourite channel! 😀
Excellent information🌎
I too have a drum, made in Taos, New Mexico, and I used my drum to sing along with yours. The earth's heart responds to such behaviors when we as a people connect to her heart, across time and distance. We honor our ancestors too this way, and the living earth thanks us, as we love her so.
Thank you ! NIce drumming :)
very interesting... kiitos... tack... danke
Thank you for this. I am American, but I have seen the very problems you’re talking about and trying to reconstruct for my personal practice a genuinely spiritual Shaman connection to the land and nature. I have even made myself a Sami style drum from doing research on these drums. I incorporated the runes yes, I am a rune reader and use them for life guidance
I have studied Michael Harner's Core Shamanism from his certified teachers. It does give you a very solid set of tools with which to work, tools that do work to help you transform yourself and help others. That said, I concur that once a person has used the tools and familiarized him/herself with them and the self has been empowered, the real work would be to discover those truths that go beyond the self and perhaps, as a kind of light in the darkness, attract the attention of the right energies that might lead to a rebirth in not only the ways of a specific people but also a new/old identity. Macro- to micro- back to macrocosmic change effected, let's say. Very nice video! Health and wealth to you.
Always very balance video, both academic and personal ...thank you !
Living in Taiwan for quite 20 years now, i regularly witness traditional “taoist “ shamanistic living practices, from the “simple” Spirits Possession to the more “bloody “ practices , and that always make me think about the long road we are head above , if we want to revive authentic “old way” practices ....the “neo shamanism “ revival is a small step on that road, important one but only a very very small step. As you said it needs a total mind changing attitude...we need to adapt ourself to the “old way” and not adapt the”old way “ to our contemporary needs.
Thank you.
I now know why i have such a huge call to this i felt it before..this confirms it. 💜 SALEM 💜 I would love to visit norway
Being open for the new impulses from the ancient source. We’re IN. One needs to go alone into nature and hear, see, feel. Thank you for your work! No boundaries.
Thank you so much Arith! I have been digging into my ancestral past, and looking at "family mysteries". I just discovered my great grandfather was half Sami. My great grandmother's father (who was Swedish) refused to allow his daughter to marry someone of Sami decent, so they eloped to the United States. Sad, but interesting.
Your videos are always a treasure.
have a good day arith.
To you as well Gary the Archer :)
Nice to see Gary in the comments!
Arith,fantastic information,very detailed.John Lamb Lash also touchs on Shamanism also.Please reference his book,Not In His Image.Arith you and John have some parallels.I really love your focus,and academia,you strive for the very best in everything you discuss,Great content as always,Love you my brother!!!!!
Wow, so cool, the video with two different angles of shooting! Good tech stuff, looks very professional! Emmm I think I will try it too 🐈 one day... if I don’t forget... 🤣
Yeah I had help from a lovely person who has another camera and she suggested this. I think it looks cool hehe
@@ArithHärger it’s amazing, you should do that more often when you have a chance :)
I've also looked into Sami shamanism/culture before, but sources regarding them are scarce and hard to come by. Real meat of the information are usually contained in obscure academic works, which can fetch up quite high. There is a book called 'God wears many skins' by Jabez L. Vancleef where it contains a small collection of Sami folklore, which I really like. There is an audio version of it, and it's absolutely magical. The film Ofelas (pathfinder) is a good glimpse on how Sami people might of lived their lives in the past and I really liked how the film was spoken in their native language. The book 'Fragments of Lappish Mythology ' by Lars Levi Laestadius looks really interesting, but when I checked on Amazon today, new one is fetching up to just over 400 dollars. -.-
I have been building my understanding from the old writings in the sagas, and the old writings, and then doing what feels correct for me. I don't know what others do, when I have tried to watch videos of others, they appear to me to just be recreating christian rituals with different Gods mentioned. If that works for them great.
I was an atheist in my teens, a christian in my late 20's and 30's, I graduated from a christian college, and now I am a pagan, and pray to the Northern European Gods.
I light a fire, and then do what I do to have the Gods pay attention to what I am doing. They seem to be interested, because my life has gone better since I have traded gifts with them.
Did someone say my name? Good stuff you put out, thanks for these
wow a Sami! hehe, thank you ^^
Yay! You got outside! More more!
Thank you for this very thoughtful video. Being an American I am from many different European cultures but never lived in Scotland, Wales Germany or Russia. As a child, the redwood and giant Sequoia forests were my sacred temple, and I was not made to feel the shame of mainstream religions. Therefore, I feel very drawn to the wisdom of other Earth people wherever I find them. Our Mother Earth is calling out to us to find a new more sustainable way that sees the SACREDNESS of all our relations.......If we think this planet is just for the taking, we all will parish so it is our duty to protect HER.
Ok I’m catching up since I’m new here. Everything you said was perfect. My family is not from the USA but I was born here. My family has always tried to raise me with pagan knowledge and ways which personally I’m grateful for. My family is Norwegian but my mother’s mother is from Italy but her mother’s family is Norman Scandinavian French. My dads people are from that Sami region and wait for it....Spain/Tunisia. What a mix! And yes my family’s paganism is a little blended. This was very informative to me.
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All we have to do is go within and let out what is within. That’s where it all came from.
The inner journeying will show us and the all native people looked to the connection between their land and the stars to guide them. I am learning what I can from the people who still hold knowledge.
Respect from indigenous USA
If you are interested in shamanism look for the works of Vilmos Diószegi, a hungarian antropologist who collected great amount of data on (mostly siberian) shamanism, unfortunately died at young age in the 1950'-s
Beautiful setting. There are so many things I would love to say about this, but that would take up way too much space lol
Thank you for another video. Its true what you said about religion and politics. But I am taking it one day at a time as I learn about my self and my family
Very informative video.. U touched upon some very interesting g things that I myself have thought of or. Contemplated… I do believe yes that we are in the awakening process and we do w peril ce more freedoms than our ancestors did .. It is an exciting time to begin to know your heritage and how shamanism was a prevalent piece to our spiritualism as pagans .. thanx again
Paleowolf has a plethora of shamanic meditation music that I strongly encourage fellow shamans to check out. Blessings!
Thank you for making this video. Could you make a video explaining the symbol's on the drum ?
This was an excellent historical approach. I was hoping though, that the actual traditional or ancient aspects of Sami religion would be covered, such as rituals, symbols, myth, and the role of the noaidi. I am having a very difficult time finding any source with a full description of what has been discovered up to this point! Is there a source anyone can point me to (preferably in english)?
Unfortunately we had to submit on the past but now we can be reborn again, completally. I have a lot to say about that, i am very intense and passionate about this subject, but for now I will just say two things. First I am agreeing with arith on everything so far. Secondly I don't follow the psychological model of magic so popular on the west, I believe the gods are real, they existe, they are, so with that being said, I believe with practice and by connecting with them we can eventually stumble upon or access the true knowledge. For those who are prepared an sincere they will reveal the true knowledge. Then we can combine this practical knowledge with the archeological finds and the sharing of knowledge between individuals and groups and bring back the old ways. Only possible if we abandon christianity, sorry folks. I respect all religions, but if you are pagan be pagan, simple as that, sorry for the long comment. Love you videos arith!
Thank you very much for your comment ^^ it's true that we still share a collective consciousness deeply rooted in Christian ideals and that prevents us from truly thinking in a pagan world-view, therefore it affects our perception of the divine itself. But I believe we are progressively leaving behind the usual way of thinking and we are developing a new critical and analytical way of thinking precisely due to the return of pagan ideas.
@@ArithHärger yes and it reasures me that you think that way too an that many more of us, pagan souls, so to say, are joining and awakening! It is a time of hope indeed! And thanks for the reply, may your journey be joyful prosper full of knowledge and new discoveries and of course powerful!😊
I agree that the Gods are real, I consider them real just as a thought or idea is real. I believe the psychological model can be brought into harmony with the older models with some adjustments. But psychology has a terrible trait inherited from it's materialistic scientific roots that is unfortunate. Science is an amazing system for studying nature in it's material form, but because of it's success it was applied to things that have no material form like thought which has not yielded the same success. People who practice science often assume links where there are non in order to preserve their now highly materialistic world view, but it's not the only option. When we study history and especially spiritual practices we find that very similar ideas emerged in humans around the world at roughly the same time with no physical contact. A scientists might be inclined to assume there must have been some physical contact that they just have no evidence of yet, but that's unlikely. What I think is more likely is that ideas are not contained inside our heads but are "alive" for lack of a better word. And when an idea is shared by many it becomes powerful enough to inspire others without direct contact or any known means of communication. In the grand scheme of things it's not so long ago that we discovered gravity, and we know that large heavy objects have a larger gravitational pull than a small light object, and I think a similar force is at work when it comes to thoughts. There has been some recent experiments done with mass meditation affecting physical outcomes which would corroborate this. That suggests to me that Gods and spirits are real and that we depend on each other. Like with spacial dimensions, something that is 4 dimensional can not exist in the 4th dimension alone but must also have a 3D and 2D and 1D "shadow" or projection. Interestingly a 4D cube would have it's surface and it's interior visible at the same time. Math allows us to study some physical shapes as they would behave in 4D, but if you extend the concept to the non physical it stand to reason that in 4D a humans thoughts would not be contained inside the mind but "visible" on the outside. And because of this I think it's imperative that once we gather as much information as we can from the past and reconstruct new shared thought forms based on ancient wisdom that we share this with everyone, integrate it all into a singular global cohesive system. Because if we are to resurrect the ancient Gods so to speak they must be powerful enough to overthrow current belief systems which are global, they must be like the Sun is to the Earth and the Earth is to the Moon. Surely much can be gained from a personal belief system, but I think that in order to see it's true power and truly understand it it must be united in the minds of the many. I think this is what many religions tried and failed to do in the past, but now in this new age of communication I think we could finally be successful in creating a cohesive system that integrates all aspects of life in a manner that all of humanity can get behind. Science is giving it a good go, but because of it's lack of a spiritual and creative component it is failing many of us, it has rejected it's feminine counterpart so to speak and that leaves us severely out of balance.
How does Sami shamanism differ in the various countries? Although there were Orthodox missionaries in the Kola Peninsula from the 18th century, I would think that it survived there the longest - until the Soviet authorities suppressed all shamanism as an expression of "ignorant superstition."
Not a sami myself but what brings me to paganism is the lack of spirituality in our everyday life, it's just consuming without meaning. And I think the first people got it righ, we should (at least) celebrate life, the life we have, the life that's gone with our ancestors, and the life that will be in the future (fertility), besides celebrating nature and non-human life too. Life it's too rare not to embrace it, and by celebrating it it keeps us together. I love your channel by the way, your perspective is unique.
My family is sami and I asked my grand mother about it long ago. She would just say put your hands in dirt. Feel it. That's all I ever got
She was probably refering to what americans call "grounding"
@@ArithHärger I think she was. She would call me a Hakana for asking.
Honor is a trait of our tribe
thanks again for a great video... please dont only do the spiritual vidoes for patreons, i would join if i could but i'm not a rich man, i'm a starving artist :), ive been to Estonia a few times and there is still traces of 'sami'art , very interesting
I have a Runic Diary for my Rune casting to gain the wisdom and guidance of the Gods and Goddess of Asgard!
I am now also combining my castings into bindrunes !
Thank you for this video. I have a circular drum. Do you know if I can still use it or need to find an oval drum for divination?
Ok, now I need to know what group video you are referring to.
The Truth always wants to be known and can never be destroyed
Just want to say that if we study the STAR KNOWLEDGE of the pagan peoples, a whole new vista opens up which can explain the ceremonies at different times of the year. I am discovering this with Lakota star knowledge. I did participate in many ceremonies but it all made much more sense after I studying the constellations and which ones predominate at the equinoxes and solstices etc.
Where did you get the intro video and music?? I love your videos btw
I made it all hehe. Both sounds and imagens and all ^^ thank you!
@@ArithHärger iam in pre-production of a kids story telling channel (for heathens of course) would you mind if I used that file for some of my intros please? I'd give your channel a credit.
ive just learned that my Amazigh heritage are descendants of the Saami heritage. Maybe that is why ive always been very drawn to the culture? I just wish I also had more info on Amazigh culture before all the conquests
I dont know what you are about to say but whenever you see the + it is a map. There are 3 kings in the South of it in the North you got the guy on skis and the west the Cross for the church, and the rest where the good towns wildlife sailing are at
Having both nordic, Native American and Welsh heritage I'm drawn to the aspects of shamanism
I am looking for Ailo Gaup's book (and 2 more of his), but have been unsuccessful. The author has died, and it seems the editor has no intention of reprinting either Shamansonen or Trommereisen.
Are sámi have their own word for shaman? Because we hungarians have the word táltos (táltosh).
Really interesting video, with fantastic content! Thank you.
About the theme, I always wondered how was the relation between Norse Indo-Europeans and the ancient Sami in Scandinavia (well, the recent relation is very well known), how was the contact and conections and, particularlly, if the shamanic practices of the Samis had any relation with spiritual practices of the norse religion (has it been a shamanic norse practice?).
There were said to be contacts in historical pasts. I've read somewhere that Sami adopted some Norse deities in their practice of shamanism and I've even heard that some Norwegian king (I forgot who) hired Sami sorcerer to do their bidding in divination and spying.
OOh look I'm the first!
Personally I am scepitcal about many modern practices and individuals connected with them. The back end of last year I went to a meeting where a person that called themselves a spiritual coach (whatever that is supposed to mean?) was attending and all that person was doing was advertising their courses, not even partaking within the meeting or bringing any content other than to brag how successful at this art of coaching the person was. Self acclaim is no acclaim or witness to one's actual "talents". Needless to say I will not go there again.
colin Paterson : People need to make money. What - did you expect him to give everything away for free?!?
In this age we are surrounded by "shamans" and cyber-shamans. One of the very first taboos in shamanism itself is to never claim being a shaman, never brag about it, and always be silent about one's spiritual abilities. I have nothing against people who are spiritual coaches (like you said, whatever that means). I'm not against people I know nothing about, or their past, or their reasons. I'm just against exactly what you described - bragging about their own successful endeavours and putting themselves above all others. That is the attitude that should definitely not be including in spiritual terms. A good degree of humbleness is necessary. Not to the point of being falsly modest, but being able to put one's self in the shoes of others and actually helping people by understanding their needs. Looking through the eyes of others, instead of our own belly button.
Arith Härger : If someone is a Shaman - and they legitimately would like and want to make a living from that, then how could they attract clients if they don’t advertise that they are actually a Shaman, and are silent about their spiritual abilities? In my opinion, what makes a Shaman IS their spiritual abilities!
@@ArithHärger I always think that peoples' beliefs are their own responsibility but object to either trying to force them upon others or false deeds. I heard this person giving advice to someone and it was not good advice. The quisitop was expressing being lost as to finding his path and all that the "coach" could do was recommend him joining her class, of course which he would pay for. All the guy wanted was some info as to where to find groups that may assist in his query. After she had finished I pulled him to one side and told him of a site where he could find groups for all paths and suggested that he looked there, no charge. Spiritualism is something given to us without crossing palms with silver and people argue that a gift requires a gift in return but it is not up to us to set what that sacrifice is and how it is paid.
@@vigouroso Advertising in a normal way but you don't goto a metting and tout yourself and as I said the guy was looking for something other than spiritual guidance - he wanted to know where he could go to meet people that thought as he did, there's a big difference.
The old ways in a new time, same same but different.
Thank you for this. I agree with you.
But i think you left a lot of things out. Like how and why the christianity came here and maby that the original sami people came from sibiria and or mongolia. We also know that they used the mushrooms in rituals, and when you know that it is kind of easy to understand that they most likely was the one who learned the vikings to connect with the spirit world and preform magic rituals etc. Cuz we know they had a close relationship. You did not have to put it in the video, i just think it is interesting things and could be put in the video :)
Who are those dishonest people you mention? Not quite sure what happened.
I practice a mix of i guess norse shamanism which is sami mixed with native American because im America and have germanic tribes blood from my father and Cherokee from mom, so my way of shamanism is my own probably but a shaman is a natural though i do use DMT for ceremonial reasons.
bird song is at least 55 million years old
Im 1/4 Northern Sami. Just enough to be considered Sami
it's still really weird to me as an occultist living in the US to hear that in Europe Neo-paganism is more associated with Nationalism/Nazism and racial supremacists when where i am it's more associated with the political Left and even at times Anarcho-communism and Anti-fascism while Christianity or some perversion of Christianity is more associated with the political Right. though i guess it makes some sense.
You mension 4 countries , where shamanisme existed , but forgot to mension Denmark. We have Got several Völve graves (ex In Fyrkat) and in Stead os The drums we traveled by singing galdr some times using The seeds of Bulmeurt.
In this video I'm talking about the Sami. There were never Sami in Denmark. The 4 countries I mention are the ones with Sami culture.
Mate, you are right.
When a man's word is no longer his bond, he is an oath breaker.
And as such needs to become a member of a middle eastern religion, where Oath breaking is permitted.
As a Kurd my heart goes out to all Sami's.
Their situation is in many ways so similar to ours, having their homeland divided by four countries, being marginalized and discriminated against, and having their ancestral religion destroyed by abrahamic fundamentalists.
Wish them the best in maintaining their culture and identity 💝💖💗💝💖💗
az kurdim!!! Greetings from Germany.... I have a couple of Kurdish friends...
i remember from this move Sami Blood i always thought the north was only norse, haha Sami is the true north!
Linni! Er du fra Færøyene? I så fall, Auckland NZ.
Har du øyne? Jeg spørr deg. Seindfelt er jo, så innmari psykadelisk. R
Hvorfor må jeg ta Ert og Nes? Fant bolig i H-veien i Bjørnemyr 25. og at det er krig mellom Nesodden IF og Bjørnemyr IL. Da heter du isåfall libibb - og Auckland er Berlin (Zealand). De har koden der og det er ikke bygget noe hus. Så hva er ferge?
Er allerede Earth Gang med flere sorte folk. Og Tyskland Trondheim?
Og en tok bare nes navnet mitt. Déjà vu er Skruf m/Bergholt.
Don't some of the Sami still live their traditional lifestyle in remote parts of the Arctic?
Just to add to the subject, we are very luck that not all form of Shamanism have been cut connections with the ancient ones. It still exists in Asia, America (from North to South) and Africa (I'm not aware about the fate of the spiritual practices in Oceania, though). Nevertheless, they are endangered to the point that false shamans have arisen, and a real business of native shamanic rituals and goods have been stabilished (e.g. ayahuasca ritual/drink or Santo Daime). We must never stop being aware of our priviledged place on society and approach with extreme care and respect, although Shamanism will then be lost forever from the face of the Earth.
Core shamanism = sofa shamanism.
Tribal shamans from Nepal say it is not shamanism at all.
And they are right
Arith Härger The late Mr. Mohan Raí (director and founder of 'Shamanistic Study and Research Centre Kathmandu' ) has even tried to talk to Mr. Harner personally at a congress. Harner refused any contact and discussion...
I took the core shamanism class wroth the cost.
I took Michael Harner's course in the early 1990s. I learned a great deal, now see the world differently, yet do not practice it anymore for a number of reasons.
could you please look up the connection to Sugaar ...maju of Mari and the Olaf the White Viking....suggar is known as balls of lightning in spirit form but he has come to me as this Viking..can you connect him as he is coming in the sky for all to see soon ......Mari Basque mountain my mother woke me you was kind to do a film on her...you are very good ...you should know a lot of these spirits can be conjured up ....the celebs are doing it its called the eye of Horus MK ultra...you should study it its still being used today ...I am a seer I am having flashes of my past life Viking is in my blood...Danish....my family iswritten about in the doomsday book...you have educated me on my ancestor's knowledge I must thank you ...
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Politics and social regulation is the reason ive made this realization and cut going to Christian church out of my life.
(I was indcotrinated as a child into the more radical Christian way) since then ive reformed my faith around nature as thats the one place I actually feel welcome and connected spiritually.
I agree.
The affairs of man have no place in a house of the devine.
I’m surprised there was no mention of the beliefs, values, and practices of indigenous Sami peoples of today. Don’t ethnographic studies of the Sami of today inform, at least in part, Sami neo -shamanism? The video makes it sound as if this neo-shamanism is a resurrection only of past, pre-Christian beliefs and practices, rather than the life ways and world views of a living people.
Their shamanistic practises were pretty much killed when they were forced to convert to Christians. Some is left, but they don't really like to share it to outsiders.