Symphony X: Iconoclast (Reaction)
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Iconoclast
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Symphony X
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Iconoclast
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My favourite band, imo their newer stuff is easier to get into the band than the older one, but their old records are pure gold, a fusion of prog and neoclassical metal, I heavily recommend you to listen to some of their old stuff from Divine Wings of Tragedy or Damnation Game
Awesome, more X coming in the future for sure so I will keep these in mind! :)
You need to listen to one of their emotional songs like "when all is lost", " paradise lost", "the edge of forever"
Written in stone...got it :) and thanks for the suggestions!
These are good suggestions. I'd add a "+" to "When all is lost"
@@whybother987 love when fans agree on songs to listen to... Noted!
Yeah, good ideas for next SX song. Captain said in another SX video that he would like to hear Romeo playing on a more melodic\emotionnal side. I'll go with Paradise Lost tho cause he hasn't reacted from a song from that album yet. Bu all three suggestions are good ones.
@@endlessorbaggins8223 ahah gonna be tough, guess I will have to do a few of them...lol Looking forward to it!
Excellent reaction dude! Greetings from Argentina! 👌🇦🇷
Used this song to get one of my buddies hooked on SX. Iconoclast as an album is easily their "heaviest" , if you want another Iconoclast song I would recommend either Children of a Faceless God for something groove heavy or When All is Lost for their kinda ballad-y epic. Or from their newest release Underworld I would pick Legend, best song on the album imho.
You are right DT and SX are brothers for sure, DT being more proggy and SX always being on more of the metal/Neo-classical side of things. They have toured together a few times but were kinda pitted as Rivals in the early days as opposed to brothers.
Also the entire theme of Iconoclast song and album is machines rising up and taking over. I think most people who like DT like SX and the other way around with favoritism usually being decided by singers because i think Russll is a much easier to like vocalist as opposed to Labrie but I think Petrucci is easier to like than Romeo though i would argue that Romeo may be technically a better guitarist, Petrucci has a slight edge up on his writting. Though the argument could be made that Romeo writes the majority of SX music and Petrucci has also tag teamed it with either Portnoy, Rudess or the whole band. Regardless both are awesome bands.
You also need to do a deep dive into SX and listen to their really neo-classical roots with either The Edge of Forever or Of Sins and Shadows. Cheers man!
Awesome, I liked your take on all that and in the spirit of music, I would like to think people should see them more like brothers than rivals. I am pretty sure Russel did a side project with Portnoy right? Adrenaline Mob, maybe? Liked a few of those songs, but more on the heavy less proggy side...
I would agree on the Russel vs Labrie take but definitely not on the Pet vs Romeo take as far as the technicality...they are both on the same standard in my opinion...but nonetheless it is all good.
I will keep the other songs you mentioned in mind for the future reviews...thanks for the comment! Rock on
@@captainmorgan1978 - This album and Paradise Lost are my favorite albums. Every song is good on both albums.
@@futurewavecs Yea I did Odyessy review if you haven't seen it already..I think that was from Paradise Lost album..
Symphony X is definitely my favorite band. Great song to do a reaction on. Pure talent.
If you do reactions on instrumentals, I'd highly suggest you check out:
Animals as leaders - CAFO
A great adventure or nothing- Quasars in the distance
Rabea massad - brute force
Pomegranate tiger - new breed
Angel vivaldi - Dopamine
Andromida - Timeless
Very similar to DT. What’s separates them from DT is they’re heavier, and Russell Allen is waaaay better than LaBrie. Allen is one the best singers out there... I’m one of the people that suggested “The Odyssey”. I wouldn’t suggest that to just anyone. Since you’re big DT fan I assumed you were a seasoned vet. Lol. Took me one listen to The Odyssey and I was hooked immediately. Great reaction. Another good newer Symphony X song would be “Walls of Babylon” or “Kiss of Fire”
Awesome man, ss I said at the beginning, even with DT songs concept or long epics are hard to digest the first time through...
I am digging it and look forward to more...this was a great song!
Romeo is also waaay heavier than Petrucci 😄
Great video. I saw Symphony X and Dream Theater back on the Gigantour a while back, still recovering lol.
That would be awesome to seem them together. Lucky Duck!
Riff Lord Romeo
I like him and his pudgy fingers rolling the neck...lol :) He definitely rips it.
That name rooooollllls off the tongue
Love dream and symphony. My favorite bands
I am pissed I will miss the new SymX tour in May :(
Thr complete Double-Album ICONOCLAST is not only one of the best progessive Metal Album but one of the best Metal album for me...
You're right, SX concepts are mostly mythology, fantasy and sci-fi (on Iconoclast). There are only a couple songs that could be taken as purely personal/"human" concerns. But the emotion is real and human, whatever story or metaphor the lyrics are using. Russell Allen's singing is one of the main reasons I prefer SX over DT.
Nice, I can get that preference for sure. Glad you got to see the reaction and look for more coming in the near future~
Symphony X ? thumbs up before watching
Thanks man, more to come...liking them!
@@captainmorgan1978 Glad to hear that ! keep it up !
@@YsAbTones Thanks for the encouragement!
Symphony X is my favourite band. And I love Odyssey. For me it's one of the best pieces of art I've experienced. But every time I see people recommend it right off the gate I'm just cringing. It's definitely not a thing you'd recommend to someone even relatively new.
I'm a big fan of Greek mythology and even did some literary interpretations of Greek myths in modern settings for personal pleasure. And I really enjoyed the song from the first listen, but it's just too much to take for an unprepared person both musically and, what is more important, conceptually.
Glad that you're now back on track with this song.
Right, same as u feel with DT songs too... For clarification, I did LIKE the song just not love it.
And more listens will happen behind the scenes too... Cheers and thanks for the comment!
Also I recommend u a band from the 80's, technical thrash metal with prog elements, watchtower. Listen to the song "control and resistance"
Awesome first time hearing that name...I will keep it in mind for the future...thanks!
@@captainmorgan1978 Anything Ron touches is gold. I suggested Solitarily Speaking Of Theoretical Confinement, but going by what you were saying in the video, this might be too epic. 45 min and its meant to be listened to in one sitting.
@@uraniumcranium2613 haha yea, I would start with something not so long...Solitary Speaking of Theoretical Confinement...got it! :)
Some peoples see Watchtower influence in Spiral Architects. Long time not heard Watchtower music. Had bought an album of them but while digging the intrumetals, i was not a fan of the signing and the 80's production\mix. Would be interesting to listen to that band again through Captain reaction.
And if you want to dig deeper, Ron Jarzombeck (Watchtower guitarist... virtuoso guitarist to check out for sure) also have a project that I really like and that is a must listen too. It is called *Blotted Science*. He teamed up with Cannibal Corpse bassist and good drummers (one of which is Hannes Grossman from Obscura). It is instrumental heavy prog metal very technical but more on the non-melodic side of things. So, next underground stuff would be nice that you look at Watchtower and Blotted Science (or even a Ron Jarzombek guitar clinic).
Some songs to consider;
Symphony x: Nevermore (newest album & probably the easiest to digest)
Symphony X: Rediscovery pt. II ( Lots of transitions)
Symphony X: without you (newest album, it's a ballad i think)
NightWish: Song of myself (harder song from them closer to prog. Maybe)
NightWish: The wayfarer ( highlights their balance of metal with folk elements and nice vocals. They always have nice vocalists. Also it's an older song)
Nightwish: The Greatest show on earth ( it's a long song so beware. But it had fun Trasnsitions and its from their second to last album)
I'm Really liking your stuff.
Links in the one stop shop would be better :)
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@@captainmorgan1978 understood
Trust me that weird vocal switch gets better every time you listen to it. Once you know it happens you can sing along to it.
My 2nd favorite song by them... Love it
By the way this is a great Symphony X song... I love this one. EDIT: The interesting bass riffs were often going when you were talking. That one you caught onto happened numerous times in the song.
This was the front runner for me for a long time until Walls of Babylon came :)
If I was going to pick a long DT song for a new listener I'd choose "A Change of Seasons" over Octavarium hands down if it was going to be long. Though usually their one HIT "Pull Me Under" is the go to song. I don't think Pull Me Under is their best song by any stretch of the mind but it is one of the more accessible. You kind of have to know your audience though. If you know them more then something like Peruvian Skies, or Hollow Years might be a good ice breaker. It can be hit or miss.
I totally agree with you. I think Octavarium is one of the most over-ratted DT songs..I like it, but certainly NOT for a new listener...NO concept should be given to a new listener of ANY band...Cheers!
Well they certainly updated their sound with years but in my opinion lost a bit of the flare that made them unique. Iconoclast is good song but sounds like generic prog metal to me. Their best from the "newer" albums is Paradise Lost and its from 2007, I wouldnt go farther than that. I suggest listening to "The Accolade" from 97, a classic and very unique song from them. That kind of songs that are timeless and set them apart from DT and their contemporanies.
If you had to choose between Paradise Lost and Accolade which one would you choose?
Both are great songs but to me Accolade is a masterpiece. Its more progressive and has more elements to it. Paradise Lost is a pretty good ballad though.
@@gabrielmekler4757 Got it! Thanks!
I recommend you react to Electric Messiah from the same Iconoclast album.
Sweet thanks! :0
they are both from long island new york
@@archkarr18 that's it.. Cousins 😊
You should check out The Edge of Forever. There is a video of Mike Portnoy and Jason Rullo on youtube having a drum off of sorts.
sweet, great suggestion...The edge is the name of the song right?
@@captainmorgan1978 its called The Edge of Forever off The Damnation Game album.
@@dregnar85 got it thanks!
THANK YOU!
First songs for prog bands should be something a bit more approachable and not super long. Enough to get people hooked and show off a bit of the dense, harder to digest stuff without overloading them.
Btw, my favorite Symphony X song is probably Church of the Machine.
Glad we see eye to eye on this! Cheers man and I will keep note of CoM....
@@captainmorgan1978 Absolutely. Start someone off with Dance of Eternity and they think DT is a 'clusterfuck band' with nothing but endless odd time signatures. Church of the Machine isn't the most straightforward song of theirs by any means but i see no problem recommending it to a prog guy.
@@arielatom68a56 totally agree with your example! And I will look forward to Church of the Machine! Holla!
I agree for Octavarium, and i dont get how nobody,NOBODY suggest something from Falling into infinity album, which has the most epic DT compositions ever!
Lines in the Sand gets requested quite a bit... 😊
You nailed one of the reasons why DT and SX are different. Lyrics.
Also, as you listen to more SX, you'll notice that their transitions are not as abrupt and abstract as DT. I do believe this is another reason why some people can't get into DT that much.
I'm a fan of both bands since the early 90's, BTW.
I haven't heard enough to comment on SymX transitions over-all, but I would say MOST of DT transitions are pretty smooth (especially in a Progressive Rock genre) outside of the exceptions of Dance of Eternity and some others. At least in the same venue as SYMX that I have heard so far...cheers.
I agree on the DT transitions. I was comparing both bands and where I believe they differ.
I'm just happy to find people like you that are consistently reacting to excellent bands in the Prog Rock/Metal genre. We need more of this!
@@tatsuono9823 Awesome, rock on...if you have suggestions please put them in the one stop shop thread with a link and I will try to get to it! :) Cheers!
Biggest turnoff for me with Dream Theater, honestly is Labrie. That and sometimes it feels like it becomes noodling and flexing on their instruments, just to make it more complicated. Symphony X keeps it a bit more musical in my opinion.
fair enough, can't disagree with the LAbrie thing for sure..the musical thing would completely see the other way..haha the beauty of music! :) Cheers and thanks for the feedback!
Symphony X destroys Dream Theater.
haha to each his own...but this is not a sport, no need for teams! :)
Sounds a lot like Victor Smolski stuff.
Is that good or bad in your opinion? :)
Immagine Russell with Dream theater
Yea, as much shit as I can give James I do think DT without James would be not as good...I don't think any member is replaceable but if 1 had to be replaced, he would definitely be my first choice.
Dream Theater is not that good first and foremost because of Jordan.
My problem with DT is one: if I don't care for the singer, it's harder to like the band. That's why I never was a big YES fan. It's not that the guys can't sing, but the two singers' "sound" doesn't appeal to me. Russell Allen is a powerhouse yet with many colors to his voice.
From a technical perspective, they are closer. My criticism of DT after seeing them 6 times is, their technical side is often technical for the sake of technique itself. Symphony X uses their chops more in context with the compositional ideas being presented. I think MJR's skill in arrangement and doing clever things with conterpoint and vocal harmonies definitely outshines DT. Although many DT fans find SX a bit campy. From a guitar perspective both players are outstanding. Personally, I come down on the MJR side as showing techniques more to my liking. JP is an awesome player with a killer tone. I do think that DT chooses more of a perspective on social issues of today. SX is definitely more metal in their lyrical content. The more you listen to them, the greater the musical differences in the bands become. But it requires some study beyond the fact that both bands are packed with virtuoso players.
Definitely some great points and I can understand the Labrie issue for sure. Can't agree with your second point much at all, even more so in comparison to SX. Lol. They definitely are more technical over all musically than SX but I don't think that means that they are "over playing" or wanking. Preferences are great and I am glad SX speaks to you more than DT... Love music no doubt... And I love Romeo but in just that context he is way less colorful than Petrucci in his solos overall... I would even agree in some aspects he is technically past Petrucci, especially with his taps and sweeps... Chubby finger god! 😊
@captainmorgan1978 prog metal is by nature over the top in terms of technique. We love it for that reason. I see these critics all the time who love the word "pretentious," which annoys the shit out of me. It's the nature of that beast. You probably have thousands of potentially great bands in the audience alone. There are not too many chicks at these concerts, however, lol. But, it's really, I guess, how well a complex instrumental section blends from one section to another. As you mention, "Octavarium" is a song that, while having some technically outstanding performances, the parts don't fit together all that well. Now, "Scenes from a Memory" or even the first " Metropolis" did an outstanding job in the use of ideas. There is a huge difference in the presence of how the keyboards are presented. JR definitely more showy and in your face flashy than Michael Pinnella. Yet, Michael is ever bit the player Jordan is. But I never realized it until I heard his solo material. They both came from Julliard. I almost liked Kevin Moore's playing better in that it blended better with JP's ideas.
@@smitlag yea i totally get what your saying and I didn't mean to over state my case... I don't mean that DT writes all perfect music, that would nuts over such a long career. I relation to SX context I was meaning they both do this to an equal degree from what I have heard...divine wings and Odyssey have their own difficulties in my opinion with this topic lol. But again there are those who think I'm crazy for thinking that... And DT fans think I'm nuts for calling out Octavarium and say it hits every mark "if you just knew the context" lol... And yea i did notice more chics at Petrucci's solo tour haha
@captainmorgan1978 I need to try some of the bourbon he is selling today. Great reaction by the way! Keep up the good work
@@smitlag thanks for the fun, normal, totally the way comments should be encouragement... He is supposed to come out with a colonge sometime too lol
I love symphony x and i hate dream theater , maybe they are similar in the way of being prog but very different when it comes to musicality,
Symphony x are very musical , their songs sound like songs to me but dream theater always sounded like a mathematical equation , never got into them and never will
Glad Symx catches you...I like em too.
The guitar playing and the drumming are off the hook
Agree!