BALLAST BOX COMPARISON AND WHY CAN'T THEY DO BETTER?
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We know that a ballast box is not the most exciting add-on to your tractor, but it is critical. Balancing your front and rear loads are the key to driving safely, and driving safely is the key to enjoying your time in the seat. Today we'll compare the John Deere iMatch ballast box to the Titan. We'll let you know which of these Category 1 three-point hitch boxes we prefer and why. And we'll also give you a quick overview of the BIGTOOLRACK for a very different option of a rear add-on.
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I like your balance aproach to fairness and not brand specific
Do I see a balast box designed by GWT in the future? I'm sure you could come up with a multifunction balast box design. Maybe a slot for a chainsaw for when folks are using a grapple in the woods.
Bought the Titan ballast box via your link and based on your suggestion. I like that its quick hitch compatible (the Kubota ones are not based on my understanding) and the cost is about half of the others. I admire your passion to never be content with existing designs though and wish you the best with that.
Good thorough review. Always appreciate the honest opinions.
Also, with a solid cover, the John Deere ballast box also makes a good seat in the corner of the tractor barn, FYI :)
I purchased my tractor with the JD ballast box and extension. I have been tempted to dump it out and put 2 pvc tubes in for my rake and pitch fork. I do like the features in your box. The biggest problem I have with my box is ground clearance and this is on my 2025R. I also have forgotten to lift the bucket until I tried to move.
Now the rest of the story. I spent the money and bought the double Heavy Hitch weight bracket and cart. I am very happy with this set up. I already had plenty of weights.
Great vid! If you create a better ballast box, you got an order right here. I’ve heard off just because the choices are so minimal and not versatile. Pretty much use a carry all loaded with pavers. Would love a more compact & versatile solution. Keep up the great work!
Got a Titan right after buying my 1025r. All your points plus over $100 less sold me on it. Only 'issue' was one of the pins was bent slightly from shipping. Hasn't affected using it though. Filled mine with sand so it would be easier to empty if needed. Figured since I've Pat's hitch, the extra extension would offset the slightly less weight. Ditto the remark about putting pipe insulation in the tool holder holes.
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You had me nervous for a minute because I literally just received the "Titan Style" box today. I found it with free shipping for $232.99 ordered on last Friday. The only difference is mine is powder coated red.
Always informative 😎
If you put some pipe insulation in the vertical pipes, it'll reduce tools bouncing around.
Good job with the comparison Sir. I currently have a BH as ballast. But I am considering Titans BB & the Speeco e-hitch. But I may wait to see what your concept is for the BB. Thanks for the info Sir
I use four Oliver center wheel weights bolted together, works great can add more if needed.
I just noticed this but I like the new "Good Works Tractors" logo!
I took a 30 gallon plastic barrel, cut holes and ran a draw bar through it. Then I stuck a 2" receiver out the back. Inside the barrel, I mocked this all together, with a top link connection out the top. Once I tested it and lifting it didn't bind on the top link, I welded everything together inside the barrel. I threw some old dumbell weights, and scrap steel in the bottom and filled it with cement. Total weight is about 400 pounds, which coupled with my loaded tires, is fine for my Kubota BX2680. The nice thing about it is it doesn't stick out the back very far, so it's less likely, to swing into things. With my Pat's quick hitch ends, hookup is a breeze.
interesting, good info...thank you
Great Video, I agree, the Titan is the way to go. Their customer service is friendly and responsive as well.
I have the Titan box for my JD 5200 and I really like it. Thinking of ways to add more accessories to make it even more useful. Curious to see what ideas you come up with.
I want to see the GWT ballast box. If it is built like the stump buster it will be a monster.
Pretty cool !!
I think perfect would be a ballast box that you could run an electrical line or third function to, then have it detect level and move the ballast toward the high side to make you more stable on horizontal slopes. Currently any weight you add (ballast box, fluid, suitcase weights) is centered, which helps with traction but not tipping. If you could move the weight to the high side, you would help even more with traction and dramatically more with tipping.
We have the JD extension on our ballast box , it just fits with one bolt on each side and two onto the top link extension.
We fill ours with crushed granite in the Bottom part and have weights in the extension.
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Great video
I would be nice to see one that was smaller BUT could still hold the weight. Maybe made out of thicker steel. A friend of mine run into issues with his ballast box when trying to load and unload his tractor off of his trailer.
Looking forward to your version. Maybe you can allow for a spot to add a vice.
The Titan has a 2" receiver. If a portable vise is your goal a hitch vise would be pretty versatile on the ballast box or truck hitch.
Video is very helpful. I want a ballast box that has a hitch receiver too. You are right with Deere, the suit case weights are and will get expensive as you add them on. Great video!
Thank you sir!
I got a JD ballast box with my 1025r when I bought it new. The following spring with a tax return I added a backhoe. From then on I’d use the backhoe for ballast which did a better job than the box. With the box I hardly use it anymore. Been using it to store chains in my shed but I may hand it over to some friends that are looking at buying a tractor themselves
Yes new video
For a cheaper and even more basic option in your "product line," could maybe make a solid concrete ballast & cast in the 3pt. attachments. Could put (optional?) threaded inserts for casters or embed a couple pvc tubes for storage or even anchor in a flat steel band around the top (&/or threaded inserts) to weld/attach optional accessories. I guess shipping could be an issue but... Maybe (thinking this through real time) just a little steel around the top/bottom to protect it & provide a place for the receiver/casters/mounting. etc. Most of the cost of the 2 you featured is probably in the steel itself which if filling w/concrete is only acting as a (expensive) form.
😃yes!!
The Titan has 2 cup holders. Cool.
My 850 ford has approx 1200 lb of wheel weights. I plan to move them onto the 3 point as a counterweight to the loader.
+1 for departure angle on these ballast boxes, if they sat just a little higher it would help the dragging & bottoming out when on uneven terrain and backing out of the garage.
High ballast weight is bad ballast weight. However, I understand your point.
Maybe have two connection heights or just recommend people not use them at full height on the 3 point? I too often go over very rough terrain and would need more clearance then these appear to offer. Thought about buying the titan and relocating the mounts, but also need a lot more than 800lbs ballast.
And for the real cheap skates not worried about looks get a drawbar for between the lift arms and put it in a 35 or 55 gallon drum filled with concrete with the pins sticking out.
I bought the Titan ballast box earlier this year. I too liked the options of the Titan. I however find it to be cheaply made. The non-JD green paint was no big deal, but the cheap paint QUALITY was quickly evident. It started peeling the first time I used a light duty pressure washer on it to wash off the cow dung. Also, if you use sand as your ballast weight like I did, the sand leaks like crazy out of that nifty little trap door. I had to remove all the sand (a real pain) and seal the trap door on the inside with silicone. If I had it to do all over again, I would’ve ponied up for the JD box.
Good to know about sand. Bricks don't fall out so easy and neither does stone that I've used. Never tried sand. Makes sense that it would fall through the tiniest of slot considering its grain size. I haven't really noticed a difference in any level of quality. It's a hunk of steel that hangs off the back of your tractor. One does nothing, the other at least has versatility. Given the price is close enough to call identical, I'll give versatility the win.
My Titan box never leaks. I don't recall, but I probably put some kind of plastic sheeting in there to block the sand.
The manufacture that makes the ballast box with most features being more versatile wins . Titan looks good but there’s still room for improvement . Nice product though 👍👍
A ballast box with more capacity, tubes for tools and a chainsaw sleeve built in! Do it! :)
oldest solution is a 55gal drum with welded on tabs for the 3 point.
Less talk, more work. I wanna see that ballast box revision
I drilled the bottom of my ballast box and bolted casters on it so I can move it around the garage when it's not on the tractor. Also, I cast my own "suitcase" weights out of concrete so that four of them just fit in the box with handles on top to remove, just in case. I'll have to see if the casters are high enough to allow bolting a receiver under it. I like the idea someone suggested for carrying a chain saw, good idea!
So what is the best/heaviest ballast weight to put in these? As for concrete, do you put just bags of dry concrete in or are you mixing it wet and putting it in?
My 2021JD1025R has a 3/4 pin in the top and 7/8 (or slightly larger) on the lower pins. Does the Titan come with the right dimeter pins?
How do you like those R14 tires?
Homemade , way to go.
Use that trap door to hide my frosty beverages while loadering.. 🙂
Doo doo doo doo 780 doo doo doo doo 800! Getting all fancy on us Master C! 🙂
Hey, what ever happened to a new, better ballast box? I’d still like to see this. I’d like one for my CAT 2 tractor. The more weight the better.
I put wheels under mine
Caveat Emptor! I purchased a Titan Ballast Box 'scratch and dent' sale one because it was in stock...and $10 less. There was some shipping delays....no big deal, just some personal frustration...with 11 days of 'it will be delivered tomorrow' shipping notifications, while it sat in Mississippi. But the box arrived without the slide in for the door and without the cat 1 pins. So the 10 dollar in stock savings probably will cost me $20 more when it's all said and done...not a huge deal but it really miff's me. So I did a one star review that has yet to appear on their website.
To be fair, I did purchase a Titan skid steer hitch and it arrived on time and worked well. The 5 star review appeared when I basically hit send.
For Titan, I'll try to buy in person or from a dealer who has one in stock, so you can make sure you get everything you're supposed to on the purchase. I don't know if I'll ever use their website again...it definitely will not be my first choice to purchase from. YMMV.
That sounds annoying to be sure. Hard to say what you paid for with scratch and dent discount. I mean, it's discounted for a reason. If pins were included, if slide in door was included, who knows, I have no idea how marked down products are sold for discount. The manufacturer has nothing to do with the product in transit. I see complaints like this frequently. We are all at the mercy of UPS, FedEx, or whichever freight line it shipped with. I deal with freight issues all the time and talking to any of them is like talking to a brick wall in front of my face. They are a necessary evil, but totally separate entities from a manufacturer or dealer like myself that ships product. Fortunately, they actually deliver the vast majority of orders on time and undamaged. Those parts could have also been lost in transit. Seems a bit of a stretch to leave a 1 Star review for the manufacturer on a discounted product bought as "scratch and dent" and in-transit delivery issues which the manufacturer cannot control. Just sayin...
@@GoodWorksTractors Yep it's nice to see the business's perspective...I guess I could change the review and not be such a jerk about it. I'll be talking to you soon about a BC4300...as soon as the wife's on board...she may have to help pick up a few more sticks first ;)
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Myself and my neighbor have two of the titan ballast boxes they work for what they are made for but neither one is quick hitch compatible I have the land pride QH15 and he has the harbor freight QH i don't know if the bushings throws it off a little bit
I've used them with and without bushings with the iMatch, Worksaver, and Speeco quick hitches. Also, lots of comments on their website about hooking up fine to quick hitches. Lastly, Titan has a version that is quick hitch compatible and one that isn't. So, not sure which version you wound up with?
I'm buying a ballast box, did you finish your design?
My only concern with the Titan is loading and unloading off my PJ landscaping trailer and will it clear the ramp angle. Any experiences?
1025R
Not fond of the way the titan box has the hitch pin under the box instead of behind it. Atleast it has a hitch though. Here's a tip for the frugal folks out there: take some empty 1 gallon coolant jugs fill them with old wheel weights. Put the caps on and put them in the ballast box. Drill a couple holes in the box to let rain water drain out. Weights should be available for free or next to nothing at tire shops in the area
so for the titan, concrete is 780lbs, what about bricks, and sand in comparison?
How’s the visibility when using the receiver on the titan box? Can you see what your hooking up?
That will depend on the individual tractor setup and length of the hitch.
It's interesting that you asked that question. I absolutely can't see the hitch from my 1025r. That being said, I nailed it the first five times hooking up to trailers in different areas of my yard. I just align the top link with the center of the trailer and back up until I feel it's in the right place. Of course, now that I've said that it'll take me three tries before I can hook up in the future.
If you are building a ballast box, will you base it off of the titan box? I'm in the market and will wait if you build one with the options the titan box has.
I'm not positive what way I'll go yet to be honest. Got several ideas.
Just bought a JD 5055E had the tires filled, first bucket full of pig muck in the 520 M loader I was tipping, very scared.... I need to see you're product prior to buying the Titan. Jack
You say QH comparable will work with QH 05 on my kubota also can you back up to ot pick it with QH 05 or must put it a little higher
God Bless All
PaK
It is quick hitch compatible. Quick hitches and quick hitch compatible attachments are built to the same dimensions regardless of brand. A QH05 is connected to the tractor. Picking it up off the ground will be determined by your tractor's three point system, not the quick hitch.
@@GoodWorksTractors on the Q H 05 the top hook is stationary not adjustable some can easily moved up or down
I'm sure the JD name costs double what the titan is
Will the Titian fit a JD 4044M? Thank you in advance!!!
Yes sir, cat 1 machine and cat 1 ballast box
@@GoodWorksTractors Thank you! BTW.. I love your Videos!!
I ran across this and wonder if you have found anything better?
Unfortunately not, slim pickings on the ballast box market
I bought a Titan box. It arrived after major delay looking like a can that had been kicked down the road. (If it's gonna look crappy, it's gonna be on account of me.) Well this happened 3 times. Eventually I gave up and they refunded the money. I'm sure they lost huge on it shipping it back and forth. Pretty disappointed with it.
Bummer, that's terrible. FedEx or UPS? They would file freight claims as it's the carrier's fault, not the manufacturers. So, FedEx or UPS are the ones losing money for poor shipment handling.
@@GoodWorksTractors FedEx. However how it was packaged seemed to be the larger issue. They put one layer of cardboard around it, then a few spins of the shipping saran-wrap and slap a label on...
Yeah, could probably be packaged better. Trade-off is higher cost.
Not 100% on this, but I think the Big Tool Rack can accept some number of suitcase weights on its frame close to the 3PH draft arms for extra ballast, right?
Yes that is mentioned in the video
did you ever come up with something that is better?
Consider going with a carry all instead. Way more useful.
True but a carry all by itself does not weigh that much.
Titan wins because you can tow your barbecue and has two cup holders. Oh, and free shipping.
I like the versatility of the Titan but why does it look like a 12 year old welded it? my guess is cheap labor.
A backhoe is the most expensive ballast you can get.
No doubt about it
I never understand why people put cement in a ballast box. It's just always heavy and if you want real weight that's easy to remove water is heavier than concrete. Just weld the top on those boxes shut and a little hole in the top for a garden hose with a thread on cap
I could be wrong, but thought concrete was substantially heavier than water.
Per cubic foot,
Water is 62.4 pounds Broken Concrete is 75 pounds,
Beach Sand is 95 pounds,
Concrete slab is 150 pounds
Can you float a block of concrete in water? No. Water is not heavier the concrete.
Fork slots are so close they're useless & the BB is so simple to remove , why would you want a hitch receiver on it anyway !?
How are forks slots being close together useless? Forks have adjustable tines that shift left to right. Removing any attachment is quite easy, it's the reinstalling that will get you. It is probably one of the heaviest attachments most folks will have. It almost sounds like you invented the John Deere ballast box :)
@@GoodWorksTractors ha ha ! Thats a good one..I have to get palet forks on , then shift forks and align them...why not just back up to it and move it ?
I'm just saying...
The same reason many put their attachments on skids or build shelving systems for storage or prefer to look forward instead of face backwards or folks that like options and conveniences. I'm sure you would also buy fixed position forks instead of adjustable forks if they were sitting right next to each other. Who needs to be able to adjust fork widths anyways, flexibility is for suckers! Ha! Merry Christmas!